RFK Jr. Report Will Link Autism To Tylenol Use During Pregnancy, Report Says
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2025/09/05/rfk-jr-report-will-link-autism-to-tylenol-use-during-pregnancy-report-says/Open linkView original on lemmy.world554
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Wow, autism turns out to be not only bad but also women's fault. Amazing what an investigation under the impartial leadership of misogynist neo-Nazis can discover.
Well as long as we can blame women, that's what's really important. Remember moms, if your child is neurodivergent it's entirely your fault you irresponsible hag.
This sounds like satire, as though this isn’t exactly what these people actually think.
100 years ago, when these people think was the ‘golden age’, women were actually blamed for their children’s issues. They blamed nearly everything on women. Yeah, let’s go back to that: MAGA women, how does that sound to you? Do you think you’re one of the good ones?
Let’s bring back lobotomies for women who have too many opinions, too. The world was better when only men were allowed to have opinions and women were the root of all evil, like the bible says.
One remembers the "refrigerator mothers" idea
Oh god. I’d never heard of that. That was a thing, started by an asshole psychologist in the 1940s. Legit psychopathic mentality, wtf.
e: so the jist is that your kid is autistic because you suck at being a parent and are too ‘cold’. Imagine your’re doing everything you can, but the entire medical system is telling you it’s your fault for not caring enough. That’s the ultimate gaslighting. Because if you cared enough, your kid wouldn’t be this way.
e2: and reading more, they took kids away on this grounds. I feel so horrible for those parents. You had no recourse at all. You were doing your best, and your child had a medical issue, but based on the social symptoms of your child you were a ‘refrigerator mother’ so your kid was put in an orphanage. Wtf.
And I'm sure the orphanage cured the symptoms? 🤦♂️
I guess they’re ‘cured’, if you mean ‘dead and buried in mass unmarked graves’. e: they don’t have those symptoms anymore.
It still happens today.
I just had a baby. You've no idea how many times we were told "Good/Great Job Mom" after hearing the baby is healthy, and seeing it isn't deformed.
As if an illness would be my wife's fault.
We just left those on read. Like WTF?
My wife had cancer young and it caused her to be unable to nurse our children; she just couldn't produce enough and so we bottle fed our kids. It's been over 10 years but she still gets shit on for it by certain types (including some in my own family who remind us whenever they get a cold). She is so goddamned, rightfully angry with the types who try to shame people for not breastfeeding.
Those types are in charge of policy right now.
Why not some raw milk, tho?
/s
There were no autistic people before the 70s, of course 🙄
There were no planets before telescopes either.
And there will be no more after we stop testing, purge the information.
Welcome to the new America.
This dumb bitch.
Does he even count as 'alive' with that Yeerk piloting his brain?
Mmm. That takes me back.
But I hear he’s great at the holophoner now.
That poor worm is starving.
The family has a tendency to not have a lot of brains
Dude...
Maybe the ones who died young would have turned worse and worse over time if they'd had a chance?
Mission accomplished, eh buddy?
So my wife who can't take Tylenol yet my son is on the spectrum, I am doubting this finding.
She must have been sneaking them when you weren't looking. /s
You should control your woman so she can’t get away with this. You know better than her. Did she goto college or something and get infected by DEI?
Oh my god yes of course this is /s
Oh God it's the woke again! Please help! Woke got me
I found this particularly funny due to your username. I can totally see Dukat saying that lol.
Dukat has many statues celebrating what he has done for the bajoran people. If he doesn't, he should have
Too late! Off to the camps with ya!
Anecdotal. However RFK jr. has even less evidence. sigh.
The makers of Tylenol are about to sue the shit out of this clown.
Sadly theyre going to sue the shit out of the US government, which we will all be paying for with tax dollars when they win… direct consequence courtesy of the morons who voted for this
Can they please just sue Jr. directly instead? Maybe if we ask nicely they will?
Wouldn't surprise me if Trump or someone else in this admin is good friends with executives at Johnson and Johnson and the whole point is to just give the company massive gift by doing a legal case with high damages and guaranteed loss
???
They could literally just request the government buy more Tylenol for the military industrial complex.
They could just hand it to them for research.
They could put out an ad on the white house lawn like they did for Goya, and Tesla.
Again, they could literally just hand it to them. Do you have any idea how many billions of our dollars go "missing". Spent but unaccountable.
There are so many other ways to just hand Tylenol money than disparage their product on a global scale.
Sometimes a moron is just a moron...
This could also just be RFK wanting to put the idea in the world. Doesn't matter if it's real, doesn't matter if it gets disproven in court, as we've seen with Andrew Wakefield - as soon as the idea enters public discourse, it's alive forever, especially in the age of the internet. There will ALWAYS be a core of people talking about it, willing to accept it as gospel, and they might even be loud enough to launder more public opinion on it through wellness grifters, the entire ideasphere of which is highly incestuous.
They won't. The knee will bend as always.
And then the government will buy a 10% stake.
Is there only one place that produces all the acetaminophen? He hasn't named any brands directly that I'm aware but i don't fallow that weirdo very closely. If he names a big pharm brand directly you know it's some real market manipulation, right?
Why are these people so desperate to find some external factor for autism?
Because the anti-vax people who have autistic kids hate their children. They hate that they're not perfect and "normal". And they hate that they have to deal with a child that requires more care than other people's children do.
I think we should make banners and say it out loud to every single person who can hear.
#Anti-vaxxers HATE autistic children
#Especially if that autistic child is their own.
I've never thought about it like that but it makes so much sense. The hate in the heart of these people runs incredibly deep, I know because my own family has disowned me because I refused to "take the red pill".
I am a leader in a youth organization and we have a few autistic kids in our group. They are wonderful kids, and their parents are just amazing with their patience and love for all the kids. I can't imagine the difficulties they face, but I'm so truly blessed and happy to have these kids in my and my children's lives. I've worked with special needs kids a few times, and the pure joy they are capable of is something that sticks with you.
But I've also known a few less involved and less interested parents who denied and refused care for their kids who clearly need help. I can't say I know the political persuasion of any of these folks, but I'm pretty good at inference...
Does RFK have any autistic family? If love to know what triggered his crusade. It can't just be a belief in pseudoscience.
His aunt got a lobotomy for maybe having a mental disorder
She was oxygen deprived at birth because the doctor was running late and the nurses wouldn't let her mother push until he got there. By the sounds of it she had some minor learning disabilities and possibly some impulse control issues as a result. Because that allegedly resulted in her being somewhat promiscuous, her asshole father had her lobotomized.
I suppose if one really wanted to play armchair psychiatrist, you could argue that the failures of medical science of the time may have contributed to him having a negative view of modern medicine as a whole. Not a defense of the rat bastard, just mildly interesting to think about.
No, he's just an old narcissistic psychopath who is bitter because he's never had the respect that his father and uncles had, from the public, or even his own family, who hate him.
Yep, this is precisely it.
I really seriously believe that autistic/neurodiverse people and especially kids should be viewed as a kind of class of person that is at high risk of being discriminated against, hate crimed, targetted by state violence.
Hans Apsberger was a fucking Nazi who ... literally coined the term autism and yes, he is the guy apsbergers is/was named after... and yes, he directly orchestrated the deaths of 'mentally disabled' children.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-hans-aspergers-nazi-collusion/
They're gonna do another genocide, based on more junk science, just like the OG Nazis.
RFK Jr has already said he wants to take everyone on any kind of prescription psychiatric medication, move them to forced labor farms, house them in bunkhouses, remove their phones, all contact with the outside world, and also make them all quit their meds cold turkey.
https://slate.com/life/2025/06/donald-trump-rfk-jr-kennedy-health-wellness-farms.html
This is the kind of shit you hear TrueAnon describing cults doing.
But scaled way, way up.
This is a recipe for causing millions of psychotic breaks, just cold turkey, unmanaged total cessation, no gradual wind downs with check ins with therapists and such, also done in basically slave labor conditions.
Possibly also worth mentioning is RFK Jr's aunt Rosemary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy
She was suffocated as a newborn for 2 hours.
This caused her to be developmentally delayed.
They lobotomized her (while she was awake and conscious) at age 23.
This regressed her to the state of a 2 year old.
She was institutionalized and largely hidden from the public for the rest of her life.
....
This is literally Nazi mad scientist shit.
Because they can't cope with random chance, there has to be a cause. They need a villain.
Why blaming gods for random bullshit is easier on the mind? Random bird take a massive shit on my cars hood? Clearly Odin needs to reign in his ravens.
You get brought up with prosperity gospel and you think that wealth and good fortune are an indicator of holiness and piety. You internalize that shit. And since you worship what you have been told all your life is a loving god, since you do all the things your church tells you to, since you give them 10+% of your income and hate the minorities they tell you to and vote for the fascists they tell you to, you know yourself to be pious.
Understanding that we live in a random universe with no sense of justice is fundamentally incompatible with a belief in an orderly universe governed by a just god. So when you encounter misfortune, you don't blame God, since you see Him as infallible and perfect. You either blame yourself or start looking for someone to blame.
Which is very useful to people seeking to manipulate hateful credulous people who are convinced of their own righteousness.
Muninn refuses he WILL poop on your car
Maybe Huginn and Muninn thought of something you didn't or remembered that you didn't give them treats.
Hardships are a test from god unless that hardship can also speak or act counter to societal norms!
They love Book of Job, but also cherry-picking it.
Is that as those who are punished, in religion, deserve it? However children are innocent and usually autism is diagnosed in young people or children. So, they don't 'deserve' it? If it's just random, maybe other things are too and the preachers are making stuff up?
It's a long train of thought to get there. I'd say it's more just susceptibility to conspiratorial thinking, but who knows.
The parents can get punished by having an autistic child...
Sigh… here goes: because then they could “fix” it.
They don’t want to fix it, they want to blame the victims for “causing it themselves”.
🛎️ 🛎️ 🛎️
Not so gentle Reminder that republicans don't help or "fix" anyone period.
Uhhhhh… budddddy. Hopefully this didn’t happen to you. If it did you’re parents were kinda dicks 😔
Luckily not to me, but I know of a child that has autism where the parents were blamed by some related anti-vax parents for vaccinating their child.
To be on the spectrum is one thing, but low functioning autistic is just soul crushing for people to deal with. I've seen some siblings struggle just because their family was pretty much screwed trying to raise a low functioning autistic child. I think I've interacted with two such people in many years, so it's not particularly common compared to the larger population on the spectrum.
It's one reason I don't like autism as a spectrum, as there's a world of difference that doesn't seem right to cast one net over.
Exactly! Were going to get you on the raw gerbil-milk diet, boost your immune system and kick those nasty n-grams right out of your poor cortex :-)
Everyones someones aspie 😎
Because the religious and/or kooks don't sit well with the chaos/randomness of life.
Because right-wing parents refuse to believe they have a genetic disorder in their in-bred families.
Whoa, whoa, I don't like the insinuation that autism only comes from inbreeding either.
Depends on, many want a scapegoat to punish, many want a reason to try to "fix" us, and I guess many want a reason to leave those who are in need of support without it by blaming it onto them.
So something so ludicrously common that it basically can't be proved. Super.
Did you know that 97% of people killed in car accidents clean their teeth on a regular basis? I think we need to look into that.
100% of people who died drank water
Oddly I don't think that can be a full 100% due to infant death during or shortly after birth.
The mother ingested water. We're in a thread based on the host consuming things
The host is a great description, going to have to start using that.... well maybe not.
The way it lands would probably depend on context, including who the speaker is. Having a uterus and calling yourself a "potential host" is vastly different from someone else, for example RFK Jr, using the term to refer to others. One is a deliberate subversion of the expectation that anyone with a uterus is supposed to be pro "having babies." The other can be straight-up dehumanization (depending on how it's used.)
Being on the internet, where the sex and gender of a speaker aren't always obvious, you're probably making a wise choice by avoiding the term.
With all that said, as a uterus-haver, I still laughed when I read it. So... ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
I for some reason though of it being used in the worst video dating reel. Think "lowered expectations" but with some modern "trad wife" wanting asshat.
"Looking for an available female for the purpose of becoming the host of my son"
Due to a massive dip in Tylenol sales from the tainted bottles scandal in 1982, Kenvue can easily prove autism rates were not affected.
100% of people exposed to dihydrogen monoxide eventually die, and sometimes develop an array of diseases and disorders before their inevitable death.
It's the fluoride!
Have they tried investigating water? Most criminals have water. Most pregnant mothers whose kids turn out to have autism drink water.
Turns out they have investigated water, and it's fucking toxic here in the states. 100 or so chemicals are regulated and tested for out of many thousands.
Based on the data of the chemicals that we regulate and test for, the reality points to our water as being a potential environmental cause to seriously look into.
https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/pfas_contamination/map/
The fruits of the industrial revolution are driving chronic disease in a general sense, at the very least.
Gosh, I've read about the water situation in places like Michigan. It didn't occur to me that parts of the USA have water that could be to blame. I should have said bread! Although that might trigger the gluten crowd.
It's not just Michigan, not even close. I recommend looking up Status Coup News on YT to see Jordan Chariton's reporting.
Here is a recent short (please ignore the AI voice, I guess it was an experiment for them): https://youtu.be/xsMJvO-fhxg
(https://youtu.be/MJ19Nzx-93w is the video it's based on.)
That's the latest crisis, there are many more that only they do reporting for - check the channel out. The EPA and mainstream media regularly cover up crises.
And in regards to bread, that's probably toxic too. Our pesticides suck and our soil is also likely fairly toxic as well.
Though not completely widespread, contaminated sewage biosolids are used in agriculture to fertilize soil (see: https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2025/01/forever-chemicals-sludge-may-taint-nearly-70-million-farmland-acres), and recycled black water may even be used for agricultural irrigation in some places. I doubt that the filtering is sufficient in even the best case scenarios for both practices.
Every single medication that someone takes goes back into the supply via their waste, and is then fed back out to everyone else like a chemical stew.
You are correct - if it ain't tested for - we have no reason to specifically filter for it.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/drugs-in-the-water
I am just glad I live far enough away on a well to be unaffected. Glad your map reflects that.
The dangers of dihydrogen monoxide are well known 🤣
Makes me get up at night!
🤣
Also, a few side effects.
Real murican mothers drink only beer and good ol whiskey
Dude said he could see kids' mitochondrial DNA or some shit, anything he says should be bunk!
The study isn't necessarily bunk, but I wouldn't trust him even as far I could throw him.
While this has been a serious inquiry of study, there is no causitive relationship yet. Also I'm fairly certain we would have a significantly higher population of autistic individuals.
Microplastics in the air caused by brake and tire dust seem to be the most compelling link I've seen. But that would mean a rethink of way too much, so blame a generic drug no one will bother defending.
Older aged parents on average is an issue as well
There is nothing compelling in one shit study. Brake and tire dust have been a thing for 120 years.
We DO have a higher population. But most of us are so used to masking our divergent behaviors that we have no idea that there is an explanation for why our thought processes differ from neurotypicals. We don’t know we’re autistic. But now that I know, I can confidently say that I like myself, I like how my brain works, and I do not have a disorder, or an illness, or any kind of affliction. I’m wired differently and I’m good with that, and I would not change even if I could. Bobby Kennedy and his brainworm can be forcibly drowned in a vat of molecular acid as far as I am concerned.
Vat of Molecular Acid for CDC!
For fucks sake, someone please stop this brain-worm-demented menace. He’s gonna kill so many people.
How far are we along with "autism is a genetic defect and we are now euthanizing defective humans for the benefit of society" are we?
His fixation on autism is super creepy.
Especially as a 'disease,' not a spectrum.
Not to belittle the effects on people of course.
How else are we supposed to make the pure superior American race? /s
I like this guy. He's on track to finally pin lung cancer on the tobacco industry. Any day now.
More likely to blame it on oxygen.
That's the sad thing.
The sentiment is good. MAHA pounding Big Processed Food and Big Tobacco and (to an extent) Big Pharma and such is great.
...If only the specifics weren't so awful.
I'm confused where this zeitgeist about Tylenol being bad for you is coming from. I remember working in pharmacy that taking Acetaminophen was the least reactive painkiller with the least number of long-term issues, but I'm hearing a lot more people talking about how bad it is for you.
The studies I've seen have been correlative at best, and, considering that NSAIDs and opioid painkillers are far worse over time, I don't understand the dissonance in advice that seems to be appearing.
Is this more "seed oil" nonsense?
It's pretty easy to overdose on Acetaminophen, Wikipedia suggests >100k a year in the us (it's in so many OTC medication, stuff like cough syrups and the like, really easy to hit the 4g/day max dose)
I'll still use it, just use it responsibly.
To add to this I've heard professionals in my field say if acetaminophen was discovered today it would likely be a controlled substance for this reason alone. The overdose potential is too high. That always seemed like an extreme measure but i can understand it.
It’s more tightly controlled outside the US, in my experience. I think other heath agencies are quite aware of its risks
It's not even a good pain reliever.
I don't know why it's so popular.
Ibuprofen/Motrin works about 100x better.
Just Fyi, paracetamol is acetaminophen.
FYI, Paracetamol = acetaminophen = Tylenol
Woops. Should've stuck to what I know.
I only heard the first two names myself.
all those drugs are the major source of liver failure.
People pop these like candy.
Isn’t Motrin the same drug but with caffeine added?
Moltrin and Ibuprofen are the same drug.
Excedrin is Ibuprofen with Caffeine.
I thought they put acetaminophen with other drugs to keep from overdosing because it will cause pain if you take to much.
I hope not, it's apparently pretty awful. You were up to fairly recently able to get Acetaminophen w/ caffeine and codeine (8mg) over the counter in Canada, found an article about a decade ago that mentions liver injury in people, definitely recall reading articles about bans on the sale because of the injury risk.
Yeah I have been looking it up and it seems quite the opposite. aspirin and ibuprofen will irrate the stomach enough to make it hard to take to much but acetaminophen seems not to. Now I have no idea why they put acetaminophen with other meds. Its kinda funny because both my wife and I find acetaminophen to not really do much and prefer muscle relaxants. We also find opiods to not work all that well (like when its so bad from the surgery you can't function they seem to be able to bring you to functional but to me don't really get rid of the pain just sorta tamps it down) but the nerve ones like gapapentin were like. wow.
that's why they sell coated versions.
I don't follow this topic regularly and I can't say anything about the mechanisms. From a superficial search I would claim that there is good evidence that Tylenol use during pregnancy can make the development of asthma in the child more likely. There is also some indication (at least one large cohort study from Icahn medical school) that it may cause delayed language development.
That would be enough evidence for me to discourage use during pregnancy for treatment of discomfort or light pain, when safer options can be tried.
My point is that comparatively, acetaminophen is (or at least was) the safest drug for light pain.
I haven't seen any new categories of painkiller that would indicate that's no longer the case, though.
So what's the deal with ibuprofen, naproxen, and aspirin? Seems every time the subject may come up with a doctor, they say ibuprofen to me (last time it came up was when I had to pass a kidney stone, and boy I think I could've used an opiate for that one time...).
Certainly a dramatic swing from 15 years ago when having a sonewhat sore throat during a physical landed me a prescription for opiate cough syrup..
NSAIDs cause crazy increased risk of intestinal bleeding and and it inhibits the ability for the kidneys to excrete uric acid, they also increase the risk of heart attack and stroke.
A lot of common over the counter drugs like Tylenol are more risky than people assume, so the idea of one having negative effects on fetal development isn't out of left field. At the same time, not a single study pushed by this anti science ideologue can ever be trusted without corroboration by independent researchers. The risk of having a bad reaction to common medication nobody bats an eye at is often higher than the vaccines this dumbass rails against, so it's not like a stopped clock being almost right makes up for his bullshit.
Nice try, Jessica
That dude is talkin a lot of shit for a guy standing in the "get pushed in front of subway" zone.
Personally I'm expecting him to get shot, not even necessarily for being a shitstain but because he is a Kennedy. If some dumbass can try to kill Reagan to impress Jane Fonda(?) for some reason then someone will want to kill RFK Jr for the meme.
Is there a Sirhan Sirhan Jr?
He was trying to impress Jodi Foster. I guess nobody told the chump that she was a lesbian.
Your comment led me down a rabbit hole. I don't know much of actors - I suck with faces and my unmedicated ADHD makes watching movies a chore, so I rarely do it. That means there are a lot of names I hear that don't have faces attached. Jodi Foster is one of them.
Starting at her Wikipedia page, I went Jodi Foster > Bugsy Malone > Scott Baio > a news article from 2016 about Nancy Mack, the wife of RHCP drummer Chad Smith, being accused of attacking Scott Baio at a children's school function by imitating how Trump treats women.
::: spoiler TLDR
:::
I had never heard this story before, but found it morbidly interesting. It sounds to me like both sides were right - it was inappropriate, but that was the whole point.
Ooh, and I found an update!
::: spoiler TLDR
The latter article (and the TMZ article it links from) also speculate that LA's left-leaning population made finding unbiased jurors unlikely.
:::
Anyway, just thought that was interesting.
I suspect that before she came out of the closet, she broke a lot of (male) hearts, though.
From what I recall, she was always out of the closet, even when Hinckley was on live with her. He was just clueless.
This is the worst game of mad libs ever
Assuming autism is “caused” by something and there is an “increase” of cases (not just diagnosis). Shouldn’t we start checking on Monsanto and the pesticides before anything else? Why are they obsessed with vaccines and medications?
Is there really an increase in autism or increase in awareness of neurodivergent/autistic people? The increase in diagnosis doesn’t necessarily mean there’s an anctual increase of cases. You can’t measure anything if you don’t look for it in the first place.
This is a really important point. Diagnoses go up with each revision of the DSM (at least in the US, as it's put out by the American Psychiatric Association) because the authors are intentionally making the criteria more expansive.
To be clear this is policy and guidance playing catch up with reality, and it still hasn't caught all the way up.
Be wary of anyone conflating increases in rates of diagnoses with rates of occurrence, anybody talking about changes in rates of autism diagnoses that fails to speak to this is either being disingenuous or are themselves the victims of others disingenuity.
It's like putting down mousetraps and then being surprised to find mice in them. The mousetraps don't increase the number of mice (ideally they decrease them!) but they can change your perception of how many mice there are by increasing opportunities for exposure.
That's exactly what the person you're replying to meant by...
Not to mention if you read how people who lived before modern medicine were described, you can guess if they were autistic or add. Not to mention the ones who were very low functioning were a secret kept at home or institutionalized.
A reminder that this wrinkly wavery fuck set a deadline for this conclusion. That’s… not how science works.
Not with that attitude
And we have linked your erratic behavior to a brain worm.
Something tells me the brain worm made less difference than it should. This guy's mind was already half eaten.
What education, qualifications, experience and/or expertise does this clown have? As far as I know, the only thing he knows about "pharma" would have come from his heroin use.
Someone diagnosed him as being ASD at some point in his life and he's still mad about it because internalised ableism
No one's that determined to bash autism unless they're hiding a tism or two
If he just acknowledged his damned tisms he'd be able to get rid of the fucking rage trigger instead of taking it out on government policy in angry confusion
Yeah, these are the sister-fuckers that BOOED their god-emperor Taco when he bragged about the vaccines (that he had next to nothing to do with - if anything we should be thanking Obama).
Because Taco is such a goddamned pussy, he backed off supporting the vaccines.
I'm gonna need to see more than one peer-reviewed study before believing anything coming out of this administration.
Here's a few, not sure if they're peer-reviewed but one is a meta-analysis. Important to note which journals these are published in, since less reputable journals will happily publish a lawsuit-seeking falsified study in exchange for money.
Anyway I haven't read these, here you go:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6138494/
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/187/8/1817/4980325
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6822099/
Okay yeah now I'm concerned.
Three weeks ago (interesting timing), meta study:
https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-025-01208-0
The problem with these studies is they are difficult to publish with negative data, and then meta analysis is done on a biased dataset.
There are many countries that avoid all analgesics because they have better health care professionals who acknowledge the fact that these drugs are the main reason for liver damage. But, USA is always isoated in their analysis.
The sum of those studies is effectively little to nothing. We all know that correlation is not causation and these correlations are weak and logically problematic.
Instead, take a look at this one, which not only hypothesizes a cause, but used that hypothesis to form a treatment that worked so well it seemed almost miraculous.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5497533/
moar https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10626700/
This is the problem with access to papers on the internet to non-scientist. Epidemiology is a weak science, with correlations only, and huge amounts of hand waiving that is almost always wrong.
Note that this shit study did not ask why the mothers were taking acetominophen. Sample size is very low. No actual mechanism was even looked at. We piss away so much money on these studies, and if the data is negative, it is very difficult to publish, so they p-hack the data to see an effect, for more papers, for more funding.
Here's the problem with this stupid hypothesis:
In 1982, seven people were killed from tainted tylenol bottles in Chicago, this led to an immediate halt of use nationwide and the recall of 31 million bottles. Tylenol sales dipped for YEARS. Less autism? NO.
Also, while North Americans eat these pills like candy for any stupid reason, many countries, like Germany, Switzerland and Austria avoid them because of liver toxicity. No difference in autism rates.
What? No paracetamol in Germany? It's over the counter.
No one ever looks at DuPont or 3M. Major producers of forever chemicals.
Which probably cause a variety of cancers, but not autism. The increased rates are almost entirely the result of better diagnosis criteria.
When JFK's nephew hears 1 in 36 kids is diagnosed, his mind jumps to someone more disabled than his Aunt Rosemary after Walter Freeman was through with her.
But almost all of the increase in diagnoses is made up of people who have a favorite train livery, want their food to have a specific texture, and get pretty upset about the itchy tag in their shirts.
If you people aren’t upset over itchy tshirt tags, then y’all are the ones with a problem.
It's not the tags, it's the seams. Easily remedied by buying natural fibers and turning the shirts inside-out.
Now if we could only convince t-shirt makers to offer an "autistic print" option so the design is printed on the inside...
Fucking sock seams are hell. Socks are the worst fucking things ever because the seam is nearly always noticeable.
My shirts and underwear have no tags, just printed directly on the fabric.
Bombas Merino wool socks. They’re a party on my feet, and everyone is invited.
One if my weird tism things is socks. I gotta have socks. I don't remove them except for bathing and sleeping.
Look up Darn Tough socks, or really anything with Merino wool. Life changing socks, I tell you.
Edit: spelling
Everybody (I assume) gets annoyed by itchy tags. How annoyed by the tag helps a doctor determine if you get a diagnosis or not.
Fucking crackpots in charge. This makes Lysenkoism seem sensible in comparison.
Oh it can get so much worse. Lysenkoism killed a lot of people and this dipshit seems poised to maybe do worse, given how he's fucking with vaccines (but being the cowardly little lying shit that he is, claiming that he isn't).
RFK consulting his expert
Microwaved Mel Gibson.
In the article it says folinic acid is a treatment for autism. Like....what?
...and they aren't even calling it Vitamin B9. Big science words. Aren't they the ones that want to ban any words in food that sound scary? I mean, it's folic ACID! ACID!!!
conveniently Dr Oz's wellness company sells it
From the mouth of a wannabe Mengele.
Pee Wee Mengele
Crackhead/gymbro Mengele
I don't know Kenvue, but i wish them luck killing RFK Jr. In court.
They will effortlessly win this suit. Remember the tainted Tylenol scandal in 1982? This killed Tylenol sales for years. No effect on autism rates.
I concur but would remove the "in court" aspect.
I link this worm infested brain dead twat to a very large piece of shit.
Damn I didn’t think brain trauma was inherited from uncles
Okay, so does that mean vaccines for everyone?
I mean, I can get behind giving everyone this false belief if it means they'd go out and get their families vaccinated. I'm not above weaponizing their stupidity to save their lives.
Brace yourself, folinic acid and acedomediphine are about to be politicized. I'm reading up before the noise is too loud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folinic_acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol
And the pages are locked, if not defaced, lol.
Why will they be politicized?
There are a couple of historical examples that escape my soft brain, but ivermectin is a big one.
Basically, during COVID-19, some rural doctor in India published a paper on Ivermectin reducing COVID fatalities. Which is great!
...Because Ivermectin is a livestock dewormer. It's an anti-parasitic, so it reduced the chance of co-infection with parasites in rural India (which would weaken your immune system so you're more likely to die of COVID).
But the anti-vax crowd lost this nuance in the paper and ran with this as an alternative treatment, misinformation that still persists today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin#COVID-19_misinformation
...That's whats about to happen.
Tylenol (acedomediphine) will be forever linked to causing autism, true or not. No one amount of refutation is going to kill the meme.
And Folinic acid, whether its a provably effective treatment or not, is not going to get touted by the anti-vaxx crown who 'believe' in its efficacy.
This is crazy and is going to get so many more people hooked on opiates.
With the plethora of other NSAIDs, would opiates be the next recourse anyway?
I already tend to avoid acetaminophen since the others are better liver wise anyway.
NSAIDs can't be used in pregnancy
Because there has been some links observed that it may be related to ASD in infants. Like Ibuprofen.
Maybe not relevant, but Tylenol (acetominophen) isn't classified as an NSAID. Whatever, I see no reason to trust RFKj on any matter of health, medicine, or pharmaceuticals. The man is an uneducated crank who achieved his position in trade for asskissing.
If RFK Jr. Was born just one generation prior, his family would have disowned him and placed him in a mental institution. He benefitted from being born to a fairly liberal family.
Tell that to his sister Rosemary.
She was born one generation prior... and yeah, a girl. She got fucked.
Most countries outside North America avoid NSAIDs because of liver damage. In 2025, I have no idea why NSAIDs are over-the-counter. But in countries that avoid acetominophen, they still have autism.
Acetaminophen is not an NSAID. They are OTC because they are overwhelmingly safe, in the directed dosages on the label.
Yeah. The liver part is why I also avoid it. Especially if you like to have a few drinks every once in a while
I hope our pharma oligarchs put this trust fund silver spoon drug addict in his place.
I had to look twice to make sure it wasn't The Onion. I pray to the god that doesnt exist that the world somehow recovers from this and people look back at this chapter of human history as the time we finally learned not to let fucking idiots be in charge...
Yeah, the age of the Non-Expert and the stupid people that think that's a good thing.
Like the podcasters on Professional Left say, I want some of these assholes that vote for this shit ("because Taco is not a politician!") to have their fucking teeth drilled by "not a dentist".
FFS.
Anti-intellectuallism is a repeating story in world history. Something about human genetics makes our communities susceptible to this. Khmer Rouge and China's Cultural Revolution are a couple of examples of these movements gaining control of a government. Witch hunts (any woman with knowledge perceived to threaten church teaching must burn) were a long standing practice often driven from non-governmental actors.
It always passes, but previous iterations have taken decades or hundreds of years.
Witch hunts were something extremely special.
Did you know that during the middle ages witchcraft was actually denied by the Roman Catholic Church? As in they denied witches existed despite biblical mentions. In some parts of Eastern Europe it was even a crime to accuse a woman of Witchcraft.
So what happened? In the same way that the internet made knowledge extremely easy to obtain, it also made misinformation able to spread like never before. The printing press did that. There was exactly one book on Witchcraft published towards the end of the Middle Ages that got widespread circulation due to the printing press. Then Witch burning and trials became common.
Its nuts to think that.
I hadn't previously come across the printing press as an influence on witch hunts, interesting. It is pretty far down the Wikipedia article, though, and a different book printed almost two hundred years later is also cited as highly influential. I devoutly hope we are not in for two hundred years of unchecked social media and AI driven misinformation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_hunt
This is the phrase/term 'medieval witch hunt' is inaccurate. Witch hunts and trials didn't start until the early modern period and didn't reach their peak until the 17th century.
Of course you could make the argument that despite it being 'early modern', most people's mindsets were still positively medieval. There was a hell of a lot of superstition and all manner of weird crap in daily life and even in the legal system. For example, it was believed that the corpse of a murder victim could point out its murderer if the murderer interacted with the body in some way. Another thing is the belief in 'life force' (I forgot the term they used) for people who were murdered or executed. The reason is that since those people's deaths were not natural, their bodies still had surplus 'life energy' that could be used to heal the sick or dying. Obviously that didn't work, but it still tells you a lot about their mentality.
Also in medicine and medical thinking, while there was steady experimenting happening in higher society, for the average person who rarely saw a 'real' doctor, many people were still thinking in terms of the 4 humours as late as the very early 19th century, with a lot of medical thinking being ancient, like thinking that some pastes and medicines made from worms would help to heal scars since worm bodies look a little like scars themselves.
As late as the 19th century? Belief in "like cures like" alternate medicines is still widespread today!
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7253376/
Tylenol.
Acetominaphen.
... Arguably the most common component of general, over the counter pain relievers... on the planet.
I mean...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406
Here ya go, here's a 2024 study debunking the thing that RFK is likely referencing.
EDIT: Further, folinic acid as a 'treatment' for autism.
So... yes, there are early preliminary studies indicating that this may be a way of alliviating some of the effecfs of non-syndromic ASD.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5794882/
Non-syndromic ASD is essentially nonverbal, nonresponsive ASD.
... There are many autistic people and kids who are not non-syndromic, an ASD diagnosis does not even require this kind of behavior.
Further, the proposed mechanism of action in using folinic acid to 'treat' autism is that it acts upon an abnormal level of folate blockers...
While it is true that ASD folks tend to have more of these folate blockers than non ASD folks...
Many of them do not.
Generally speaking, abnormal folate pathways... appear to be called Cerebral Folate Disorder (CFD) by this Dr. Frye who seems to be spearheading this line of research.
... I am also somewhat concerned that many of his studies are funded by Autism Speaks, an organization notorious for, amongst other things, not actually allowing autistic people to speak, generally viewing autism, as Dr. Frye put it, 'a devastating life long condition', akin to leukemia (cancer of the blood) which must be cured, thus propogating a stigma, stereotype and fear of autism, and of course, being a shitty non-profit that spends the vast majority of its funding on 'operational costs', as opposed to... you know, actually doing things that might be helpful to autistic people... and more or less advocating eugenics while saying they aren't but then immediately afterwaed advocating a different kind of eugenics.
https://www.themarysue.com/the-autism-speaks-controversy-explained/
Nevertheless:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40362912/
There are a number of small scale studies like this one, done by people not directly associated with Dr. Frye, that do seem to show improvements amongst non syndromic ASD individuals who also have this folate abnormality and/or the genetic mutations that are associated with it....
But I am so far unable to find any large scale studies.
Soooooo...
Yeah.
I am going with 'very preliminary positive results for a subset of autistic people' on this one.
Maybe, maybe, at best, Dr. Frye has discovered an actually physically distinguishable subtype or subcomponent of ASD, and a potentially effective treatment for that subcomponent.
Maybe.
Oooorrrrr...
Maybe there should be a study which takes into account how ASD kids respond to folinic acid, when you also devise a way to measure whether or not the parents treat those.studied autistic kids as hopeless defectives, vs actual tiny people whose brains just work a bit differently.
There is still a huge amount of research showing that the 'nurture' component of a person's upbrining greatly affects their liklihood of developing, and severity of ASD.
Those "report"s should be tagged fairytales
Johnson&Johnson lawsuit in 3, 2, 1...
This is the kind of lawsuit that might result in a settlement big enough to get the attention of the government budget folks.
He will not make that link because it's not there and literally nobody can.
He may, however, lie and be wrong.
No no he wants pregnant women to start taking ibuprofen.
Next up, the rise in prenatal mortality is linked to Democrats somehow
Wait, I thouht it was vaccines.
Hey buddy, here's a little secret. You know what causes autism? Being fucking autistic
Will he use fake studies hallucinated by chatGPT for this report, too?
The bright froot loops or the dull Canadian ones?
Can we be sure he doesn't actually have some kind of disability that makes him so stupid? I mean, he had a fucking worm eat some of his brain; that had to have had an effect.
Worm logic.
doesn't it take one pregnancy to prove this wrong? all you need is a mother of an autistic person who didn't use Tylenol while pregnant.
Not really. A link doesn't mean a necessary causation. It doesn't have to be exclusively caused by tylenol. Skin cancer is linked to excessive sun exposure, but it can occur without it, and likewise, not everyone who is experiencing increased UV exposure gets skin cancer. Not every smoker gets lung cancer, not every lung cancer is caused by smoking (IIRC only 50% of lung cancer patients are smokers - it's just that not 50% of people are smokers). But a certain risk factor increases the occurence of a disease.
I guess what you are thinking of would be comparable with FASD, a mother who has a child with fetal alcohol syndrome but never drank any alcohol during pregnancy would disprove the causation. My guess would be that this isn't what they are going for but a vague "it increases the likelihood of the child developing autism".
fair, but i expect much worse from this dipshit
Well, this is the worse scenario. If he goes down the "FASD route" it will be rather easy to debunk. An "increased risk" route will be much vaguer, more believable, and harder to disprove.
This might also go down the route of "if it wasn't safe in the womb we should think twice about giving it to my baby who has a high fever" resulting in brain damage and death. (For the record: Fever is good, but high fever in babies is dangerous.)
This, then, adds up to "I didn't give my baby tylenol when it had a fever, then it was hospitalized, they gave tylenol after all, now the kid has XYZ, it was the tylenol".
They might just tell her she did use Tylenol while pregnant, she just forgot/took it without knowing.
what? not at all. your comparison would be appropriate if i said one pregnancy where the mother takes Tylenol but the kid doesn't have autism
I’m sure the manufacturer is fine with that.
Edit: quick look and Kenview’s stock just tanked.
No it, won't
More distractions...
So "not vaccines" then. Am I hearing that right?
👉👌🫏
J&J are going to have a field day with this.
Honestly, this is probably one of the better outcomes. Hopefully ibuprofen works well enough for pregnant people. He could have agreed with "vaccines cause autism" thing to fuel his attacks on vaccines. Or worse, he could have noticed that genetics play a big part and started a eugenics program.
From the article: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/autism-leucovorin-medicine-folic-acid/
Cerebral folate receptor autoantibodies in autism spectrum disorder https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2011175
in before Kenvue stops by the whitehouse to drop off a "donation"
Good news for Canadian fentanyl super labs.
This report will result in a massive lawsuit by Kenvue.
I was once told that Tylenol wouldn’t pass today’s standards of the FDA. I believe it. Pretty sure that it’s the second leading cause of liver failure… Don’t both ibuprofen and naproxen last longer?
Tylenol is definitely bad for you, but it doesn't cause autism.
According to you...
Not gonna lie, I didn't expect him to blame a corpo product. I figured he was gonna make something up like a poor diet that's nebulous and doesn't cause financial harm to a company.
Although maybe he tried to shake down the company and they refused where others paid up.
Except its more likely ibuprofen that is possibility.
Thank you for being a real-world example for why people need to stay in school and get their High School diploma.
There have been multiple papers on nsaids having a correlation with ASD.
There have been no papers I read where it was paracetamol was linked. I have read some papers that suggest over use of paracetamol causes people to lose empathy. I didn't write the papers and know what to do when someone decided I'm uneducated based on a single comment.