"So that lazy POOR should've gotten a better one!"
"??????????"
It's amazing how conservatives miss the point so reliably. I imagine it's intentional for Bench Appearo, but many others are probably just genuinely that blinkered in their thinking.
Seriously, so by Ben's argument, the best thing for poor people to do is either 1. Organize into a labor union to negotiate better wages, or 2. Use violence against the rich as a valid tactic to improve your wages.
Hard to do all those things without support. Student loans for example would allow someone to survive without a low wage job while developing more valuable skills.
What's the conservative position on those again? Checks notes... well fuck you too!
Because they grew up during a time when you could do that, and then pulled the ladder up behind them.
My step dad bought a farm and raced Ford Broncos for fun doing odds jobs out in a farming community. You'd be lucky to have a roof over your head and 3 meals a day doing odd jobs now.
If only his sister leveraged her massive milkers in some way on OnlyFans, their entire family's wealth would elevate even higher than what the Russians are currently paying him to spread their propaganda. /s
"Benjamin Aaron Shapiro was born on January 15, 1984, in Los Angeles, California, ... His parents both worked in Hollywood. His mother was a TV company executive, and his father, David Shapiro, worked as a composer.[3]"
If you were not born to rich parents, it is a you problem. Die and reincarnate you silly.
Because Biden didn't round up Trump and all of his henchmen immediately after being sworn in, and ship them to Gitmo for extensive interrogation about their treason with Russia, and corruption.
USA has always been scared of applying real consequences for fear of losing popular support. Jefferson and Adams knew slavery was wrong. Adams knew it was wrong and abhorred it. But couldn't do anything because of that reason and the need unite the States of a new nation. Same after the Civil War, healing a fractured nation and all that. Even leading to the Civil War there were Missouri and 1850 Compromises. And it goes on and on. United States of Compromise.
This is absolutely a cultural issue which promotes and encourages extreme individualism. It’s the land of opportunity, which has been translated into “if you aren’t successful, it’s your own fault for not trying hard enough”. It’s baked into every corner of the mentality. It’s, “Own a gun to protect yourself”, not, “fund initiatives to reduce crime and provide for all”.
Even some of the most well educated people within this culture hold a deep belief that if you are not doing well it’s a “you” problem, and any suggestion of collective (social) assistance to raise the standard for all is immediately labeled as communism and derided.
Very hard to combat this thinking when it’s so ingrained.
Me? Nothing. Best I have is an air gun and a few nail guns. Improvised or bladed weaponry, probably. Especially with the Gravy Seals being the number one offenders as of late, I'd go down swinging, even if impotently.
There are actually some pretty intelligent conservatives, but oligarchs intentionally funnel more money to dumb right wingers to afford bigger and louder megaphones.
Thomas Sowell and Roger Scruton are pretty okay IMO. They make sense even if you don't fully agree. I am tempted to include David Frumm, who is an anti-Trump neoconservative, but he was an adviser to Bush Jr administration and therefore complicit to the invasion of Iraq and financial crisis, so I can't give him more respect as I would have liked.
But overall this is my point exactly if none of you can think of respectable enough conservatives. The intelligent ones are buried by the more deranged pseudointellectual right wingers because the latter are deliberately given more voice by vested interests to intentionally dumb down people.
Red states learning or will be learning a lesson about this real quick when they can't find the slave wage labor to pick their crops because they deported imprisoned them.
Depends on the state. Some states allow for forced prison labor. Most 'only' allow for 'voluntary' and underpaid prison labor. California, the largest state by population, still allows for forced prison labor.
Other possible non-skilled ag tasks could include picking fruit/vegetables, milking cows/goats, feeding animals, cleaning animal pens, working with bales…idk there’s just a lot of things they can do with very little skill or experience. Lots of menial tasks.
For many crops, picking fruit, for example, is an immensely skill-oriented task in order to do it fast enough to be profitable.
Hence when they are "migrant" workers who keep making their way north all harvest season to keep harvesting the crops as they become ready. A lot of fruits have a narrow harvest window of just a few days, and you can't wait around for a bunch of novices try to figure out how to harvest them.
My advice is, if you're feeling the pinch, then just ask mummy and daddy for a bigger allowance!! Don't be lazy, just get out there and ask for the cash you deserve. I believe in you. I know you can do it too!!!
In Ben Shapiro's world, no one is around to make his morning coffee and his morning breakfast burrito because no one works those jobs. Everyone only works jobs that pay enough to cover the modern cost of food and rent/mortgage
That’s the trap of capitalism these people take advantage of. Sure in theory vote with your supply and demand. Until one group of people create artificial legal pressures that prevent you from making the truly rational choice. If you don’t take the job that barely feeds you, you will go hungry, loose housing and be homeless.
Doesn't even need to be artificial or legal pressures, honestly. The simple nature of human existence means our needs are incredibly regular; as long as there are impoverished folk whose needs rely on the provision of payment for labor, they will always be faced with some form of leonine contract, though the severity can vary.
Legal pressures can definitely exacerbate it, though.
Just like when he told a college student concerned that global warming and sea level rise would displace people living near the coast that they'd just sell their underwater houses and move inland.
The height of pseudo intellectual stupidity .... every once in a while someone will show me one of his videos or podcasts and to the average person with an average intelligence, there are moments where he actually sounds intelligent .... which is the dangerous part. Most people fall for his message because it's peppered with pseudo intellectual babble, with a generous dose of reaffirming a selfish basic instinct of seeing the world without empathy and consideration of other people.
The best thing that could happen to Ben is that he goes blind and deaf. He'll be unable spout his ignorant bullshit, and we'll get to see how quickly his tune changes when he actually needs help from others.
That's actually where the libertarian 'line' is. When they suddenly realize that maybe their entire life won't be a fairly tale, and at some point, they'll become the 'burden' that other people's taxes are paying for. That's when they suddenly don't find libertarian or conservative ideals sufficient anymore
Okay, I'm currently working in a shitty Hungarian government program, because if they gave me welfare, I would spend that money on drugs then overdose immediately. Let's see what kind of job openings are for me in my local area:
Surgeon (I don't have a doctor's license)
Teacher (I don't have a teaching license)
Construction worker (no training + too disabled for it)
Factory job 60+km away (too disabled to wake up at 4AM)
The "computer repair man" job my relatives thought I was learing for when I told them I learned to be a software engineer (requires driver's license, "not recommended" for me to get one due to history with seizures plus medication side effects mess with every ability needed for driving a car)
CNC machine programmer my relatives also thought software engineering meant (requires a training I don't have, also I'm cooked the moment I have to lift too heavy objects to the machine)
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This is weirdly almost a progressive mindset but somehow seems to miss the point and make it about blaming the victim.
"The problem is that the job doesn't pay enough!"
"Yes, exactly!"
"So that lazy POOR should've gotten a better one!"
"??????????"
It's amazing how conservatives miss the point so reliably. I imagine it's intentional for Bench Appearo, but many others are probably just genuinely that blinkered in their thinking.
Seriously, so by Ben's argument, the best thing for poor people to do is either 1. Organize into a labor union to negotiate better wages, or 2. Use violence against the rich as a valid tactic to improve your wages.
But conservatives HATE those two little tricks...
Hard to do all those things without support. Student loans for example would allow someone to survive without a low wage job while developing more valuable skills.
What's the conservative position on those again? Checks notes... well fuck you too!
Find out what poor-paying job that poor person holds. Now ask yourself, "if everyone with this job were to vacate, how would that affect me?"
See? See how you can still be selfish but slightly less stupid at the same time?
It allows them to feel an increased agency
Because they grew up during a time when you could do that, and then pulled the ladder up behind them.
My step dad bought a farm and raced Ford Broncos for fun doing odds jobs out in a farming community. You'd be lucky to have a roof over your head and 3 meals a day doing odd jobs now.
If only his sister leveraged her massive milkers in some way on OnlyFans, their entire family's wealth would elevate even higher than what the Russians are currently paying him to spread their propaganda. /s
Can we not with the sexism? Yes she's a peice of shit but sexualizing her existence is a very sexist thing to do
Ah shit forgot the /s, it was a bad sexist joke, please accept my apologies.
It's basically how I feel about people that complain about taxes making it so they get paid less money. Take it up with your fucking boss.
"Benjamin Aaron Shapiro was born on January 15, 1984, in Los Angeles, California, ... His parents both worked in Hollywood. His mother was a TV company executive, and his father, David Shapiro, worked as a composer.[3]"
If you were not born to rich parents, it is a you problem. Die and reincarnate you silly.
See, it’s that simple!
What an asshole with zero understanding of what life is actually like for people.
He knows. He's just a disingenuous, grifting piece of shit.
You're poor? Why didn't you choose to be rich instead? It's clearly a you problem.
Why does America breed so many shit cunts?
Because we didn't punish the Confederate traitors hard enough.
Because Biden didn't round up Trump and all of his henchmen immediately after being sworn in, and ship them to Gitmo for extensive interrogation about their treason with Russia, and corruption.
USA has always been scared of applying real consequences for fear of losing popular support. Jefferson and Adams knew slavery was wrong. Adams knew it was wrong and abhorred it. But couldn't do anything because of that reason and the need unite the States of a new nation. Same after the Civil War, healing a fractured nation and all that. Even leading to the Civil War there were Missouri and 1850 Compromises. And it goes on and on. United States of Compromise.
But that would have been lead to even more consequences from the donors, who pretty much treated the democrats as useful idiots at best.
That too
This is absolutely a cultural issue which promotes and encourages extreme individualism. It’s the land of opportunity, which has been translated into “if you aren’t successful, it’s your own fault for not trying hard enough”. It’s baked into every corner of the mentality. It’s, “Own a gun to protect yourself”, not, “fund initiatives to reduce crime and provide for all”.
Even some of the most well educated people within this culture hold a deep belief that if you are not doing well it’s a “you” problem, and any suggestion of collective (social) assistance to raise the standard for all is immediately labeled as communism and derided.
Very hard to combat this thinking when it’s so ingrained.
To be fair, owning a way to defend yourself is a good plan right now, considering the current regime.
The hell are you really going to do with it if They come tho
Me? Nothing. Best I have is an air gun and a few nail guns. Improvised or bladed weaponry, probably. Especially with the Gravy Seals being the number one offenders as of late, I'd go down swinging, even if impotently.
because they're trailing most developed nations in education
Because the rest of the world sent their shit cunts here.
There are actually some pretty intelligent conservatives, but oligarchs intentionally funnel more money to dumb right wingers to afford bigger and louder megaphones.
citation needed on the intelligent conservatives thing.
Thomas Sowell and Roger Scruton are pretty okay IMO. They make sense even if you don't fully agree. I am tempted to include David Frumm, who is an anti-Trump neoconservative, but he was an adviser to Bush Jr administration and therefore complicit to the invasion of Iraq and financial crisis, so I can't give him more respect as I would have liked.
But overall this is my point exactly if none of you can think of respectable enough conservatives. The intelligent ones are buried by the more deranged pseudointellectual right wingers because the latter are deliberately given more voice by vested interests to intentionally dumb down people.
Red states learning or will be learning a lesson about this real quick when they can't find the slave wage labor to pick their crops because they
deportedimprisoned them.And if there's a shortage, there will be an increase in arrests and convictions, justifiable or not.
Prisoners in the US are effectively slaves also I thought?
Depends on the state. Some states allow for forced prison labor. Most 'only' allow for 'voluntary' and underpaid prison labor. California, the largest state by population, still allows for forced prison labor.
Prisoners are not skilled agricultural workers.
For many crops, picking fruit, for example, is an immensely skill-oriented task in order to do it fast enough to be profitable.
Hence when they are "migrant" workers who keep making their way north all harvest season to keep harvesting the crops as they become ready. A lot of fruits have a narrow harvest window of just a few days, and you can't wait around for a bunch of novices try to figure out how to harvest them.
You are an idiot then, get hoeing. Do you know the difference between a weed and a crop plant? That’s a skill.
Red states do not have the capacity to learn lessons.
Completely agree.
My advice is, if you're feeling the pinch, then just ask mummy and daddy for a bigger allowance!! Don't be lazy, just get out there and ask for the cash you deserve. I believe in you. I know you can do it too!!!
In Ben Shapiro's world, no one is around to make his morning coffee and his morning breakfast burrito because no one works those jobs. Everyone only works jobs that pay enough to cover the modern cost of food and rent/mortgage
Yeah, because I’m sure there are enough well paying jobs for every working adult in the entire USA.
There could be, but MBAs and CSuite leeches think "line go up" only applies to one goddamned line.
The poverty line?
As long as the line goes up, the shareholders are happy. Does not matter in what metric. Children killed in Gaza? Line goes up = positive.
The poverty line?
That’s the trap of capitalism these people take advantage of. Sure in theory vote with your supply and demand. Until one group of people create artificial legal pressures that prevent you from making the truly rational choice. If you don’t take the job that barely feeds you, you will go hungry, loose housing and be homeless.
Doesn't even need to be artificial or legal pressures, honestly. The simple nature of human existence means our needs are incredibly regular; as long as there are impoverished folk whose needs rely on the provision of payment for labor, they will always be faced with some form of leonine contract, though the severity can vary.
Legal pressures can definitely exacerbate it, though.
Just like when he told a college student concerned that global warming and sea level rise would displace people living near the coast that they'd just sell their underwater houses and move inland.
Sell their houses to who Ben? Fucking Aquaman‽
Ben "How much of a piece of shit do I have to be to be able to monetize this?" Shapiro telling it like it is!
Hm. Who has never worked a day of their life?
The height of pseudo intellectual stupidity .... every once in a while someone will show me one of his videos or podcasts and to the average person with an average intelligence, there are moments where he actually sounds intelligent .... which is the dangerous part. Most people fall for his message because it's peppered with pseudo intellectual babble, with a generous dose of reaffirming a selfish basic instinct of seeing the world without empathy and consideration of other people.
I'd like to meet him one time so I could slap the fuck out of him.
Like this, https://youtube.com/shorts/ZB6LWAZ8d_8
So, the goal of that sport, is to skip past all the "game" of every other sport and get right to the concussions and brain damage up front?
Apparently.
The best thing that could happen to Ben is that he goes blind and deaf. He'll be unable spout his ignorant bullshit, and we'll get to see how quickly his tune changes when he actually needs help from others.
That's actually where the libertarian 'line' is. When they suddenly realize that maybe their entire life won't be a fairly tale, and at some point, they'll become the 'burden' that other people's taxes are paying for. That's when they suddenly don't find libertarian or conservative ideals sufficient anymore
But who will be wiping your ass then, Ben, you fucking piece of shit piss baby
It will be a grand day when I can wake up and not see this guy and his eyebrows ever again.
Detached from reality
Okay, I'm currently working in a shitty Hungarian government program, because if they gave me welfare, I would spend that money on drugs then overdose immediately. Let's see what kind of job openings are for me in my local area:
He knows all about " you" problems. He looks them in the eye every day when shaves