FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices
Analysis of broadband affordability deemed "extraneous" by FCC chair.
The Federal Communications Commission is ditching Biden-era standards for measuring progress toward the goal of universal broadband deployment.
The changes will make it easier for the FCC to give the broadband industry a passing grade in an annual progress report. FCC Chairman Brendan Carr's proposal would give the industry a thumbs-up even if it falls short of 100 percent deployment, eliminate a long-term goal of gigabit broadband speeds, and abandon a new effort to track the affordability of broadband.
Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act requires the FCC to determine whether broadband is being deployed "on a reasonable and timely basis" to all Americans. If the answer is no, the US law says the FCC must "take immediate action to accelerate deployment of such capability by removing barriers to infrastructure investment and by promoting competition in the telecommunications market."
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/fcc-to-eliminate-gigabit-speed-goal-and-scrap-analysis-of-broadband-prices/Open linkView original on lemmy.world
I fucking hate that every couple of years we just backpedal on everything. So god damn exhausting.
It takes so long to fix everything, too!
Yeah well, clearly it wasn't fixed fast enough so we should vote back in the people that break everything. Or decide that we shouldn't vote at all like the lazy sacks of shit we are.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug
This is the part that bothers me so much about everything that is being dismantled right now. It took forever to get it to where it is, and it still needed a lot of improvement. And it was just smashed seemingly overnight.
It's like a sandcastle. Takes forever to build a good one, and it takes some asshole one second to step on it and destroy the whole thing.
Absolutely. The last one to just go "lol nah" and demolish the working class this hard was Reagan, and we were still reaping the fallout from those asinine policies when 2016 hit!
We had never actually fixed any of the shit that Reagan broke. They kept doing more of the same stuff he had started
The religious right latching on to Reagan as the patron saint of supply-side economics was a serious fucking problem that was completely ignored (and in fact lauded in tons of circles) at the tone. And still is, largely.
It not just took forever to get to where we were but it seems like most of the good things Biden was able to get passed were long term investments. Money spent for something that would help in ten years.
Now it’s money spent and thrown away.
If only we could chart that and see which political party is in charge at which points, and then never vote for the one that puts us here ever again... Oh well
We can though, first time was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 with funding being released in 2010. D president, D Senate, D house.
By 2012 it became obvious that the commitment lined out in the 2009 bill weren't going to happen and a meek attempt to claw back the funds was made. D president, D Senate, R house.
2021 sees the access broadband act. D president, D Senate, D house.
By 2025 it became obvious that the commitment lined out in the 2021 bill weren't going to happen. R president,
DR Senate, R house.The only constant is a Democratic Senat so clearly that's the problem! Right?Edit: wrong session for 2025 caucus. It's all Rs there.
In 2025 the Senate is also controlled by the Republicans. The have complete control of all 3 branches.
My bad, thanks for catching that I was looking at 118th caucus not 119th. I thought I just misremembered which of those pesky other parties were part of which caucus.
I know, I was being facetious. I appreciate the sources to back it up though
With the way American politics are at the moment I interpreted that as a "only the Republicans are the bad guys" and wanted to make it abundantly clear that is not the case.
We need a new 4th branch of government that's in charge of infrastructure and public welfare.
No, we really just need to stop selecting between two bad presidents over and over again. If you always pick the second-worst option, you’re going to have a bad time. Pick the best option. Ranked choice voting is the only way.
At this point it’s hard to remember the good old days when we picked the second worst
Yes...
But you still get very bad politicians paid by billionaires, who will undermine the president.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
How would this branch be structured? How would it interface with the other branches? How would its members be appointed? What does "Infrastructure and Public Welfare" entail? Why are "Infrastructure" and "Public Welfare" grouped together? What powers would it have to carry out its job, and what specifically is that job? Based on those previous answers, how would it solve any existing or foreseeable issues? Why would it be better positioned to solve those issues than a change made within the existing three-branch framework?
Blah blah blah checks and balances that we can pretend exist.
And money. Infrastructure is all cost, no profit, no income source, and damn expensive.
A separate branch only solves the political will half of the infrastructure problem, but we also need a consistent, large budget to actually keep up
And personally I’d vote to give it all to Amtrak and transit. Every time we add a highway or more lanes to a highway, we’re increasing infrastructure costs that we already can’t afford to keep up with. Why are we still digging this hole deeper?
It’s because USA has nukes my friend. The only way your enemies can attack you is through asymmetric warfare, mostly by corrupting your political system so that you attack yourself.
If you’ve wondered why everything looks like a coup since he got in, perhaps it is because it is one.
https://lemmy.world/post/31401705
https://youtu.be/AaKFx5rxdmA
https://smartelections.us/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/
And if you’re wondering why Democrats like Tim Walz are not even interested in investigating it themselves, well, the existence of certain files and whether or not they are disclosed could have something to do with that.
stop voting them in then
If it were just my vote that mattered, they wouldn't be in office. But I understand the sentiment.
Such a predictable outcome by the shittiest people on the planet.
We are truly living in a kakistocracy right now.
that's a feature of capitalism…
People is stretching it. They are subhuman pedophiles all
Well, they all started as humans and then turned into twisted creatures by staggering amounts of wealth and luxury.
Didn't ISPs just get tens of billions of dollars to expand high-speed connections to rural areas? For the second time?
No that was just free money we gave them.
What money? I guess they'll need some in about... two years or so for rural broadband? That's about time to buy some election influence again.
Yes! And I'm honestly very thankful for it. The federal grants are the main reason I have affordable gigabit-speed fiber internet way out in here in my rural county. Without it, I'd be stuck with 10mb DSL, crumby and expensive satellite based options, or very limited 4G/5G based hotspot internet.
Glad you're one of the lucky ones. They only did a fraction of the amount of work they were supposed to and pocketed the rest. Enjoy it for the rest of us!
You sure that wasn't rolled back to give that money to Jeff Bezos so he could have a really really expensive wedding?
Actually I remember reading a few weeks ago that BEAD money was cut. At the time I was thinking the Appalachians are gonna thank that one person who's totally one of them and their friend, J.D. Vance, for that.
I live in the Appalachians. I'm confused about whom you're referring to. I'd assume you mean Trump, but he's not one of us. He's not Appalachian at all.
I'm a bit confused, I explicitly wrote J.D. Vance, why would you assume Trump? :-D
He had the whole book taking up his Appalachian heritage didn't he? The end of my comment was of course sarcastic, because all he's doing is betraying rural America including the Appalachians.
Ah ok. I thought you were referring to two people, one vaguely and then that person's friend, Vance. My confusion.
Ah I can see how it can be read that way! Sorry. Maybe I messed up the commas again. I'm perpetually confused because the rules are different in English and German.
English can be silly like that. If we were talking in person, I would be able to understand from the inflection in your voice by what you meant, but in text, it's easier to misinterpret what was meant. It was my mistake.
I'm surprised US doesn't have gigabit as a standard already. I'm upgrading to 10 gigabit next month here (Portugal)...
Much of it does, but as far as standard, I'm not sure.
Next up EPA switches to visual inspection of water sources for purity.
They'll just have AI do it. Can't afford real eyes.
But...
Real eyes realise real lies...
It's all in the rhyme there.
The AI will end up costing 3x the amount it did before but the company is owned by some senator’s son so the agency will lock in a 20 year deal.
It's funny that you think they'll inspect it at all.
It will be left up to the states, and only blue states who actually care enough to fund their DEP will do anything.
Which would 100% lead to illness and death.
Honestly expecting them to defluoridate water any second now, citing quack sources, and will then be aghast at skyrocketing dental issues.
... Dental will still be a luxury insurance, of course.
plus untreated dental diseases, like caries, gingivitis, periconitis can lead to more serious infections. also the immense pain you would feel before it even gets "worst"
Why the fuck would they care about dental issues? Those are elective bones that only rich people should have anyway.
10 years from now USA is gonna be a 3rd world country with all these cuts.
Trump was always obsessed with "shit hole countries". Now he's turning the US into one of them.
He wants us to be exactly like Russia. Complete shithole company run by the oligarchy, who live lavish luxury lives.
Rich people hate equality because that means they need to share.
Certainly seems that way.
No regulations to support a reasonable standard of living for the peasants.
Oligarchs mooching off everyone else.
Americans have lost so much in the last few months, not only with the bullshit spending bill but just the erosion of the rule of law and the democratic process.
Not even gonna take 10 years. By the end of Spray Tan's term the country is gonna be a complete toilet.
Assuming he doesn't find a way to stay in office indefinitely.
It's already a 3rd world country, has been for some time now.
From Europe it has already looked like a 3rd world country for at least a few years.
We always have been a 3rd world country
I wish someone would look up what "3rd World" means and stop conflating the unaligned movement with poverty.
You should look up how many people in the US are under the poverty line.
I don't think that was what they were saying. They were bemoaning the fact that "3rd world" has become a synonym for "developing" or "poor" when technically it means countries that weren't part of the cold war, although I think they might be tilting at windmills given it's a distinction that's been lost for at least three decades already.
Apart from anything else, even if you keep its original meaning, it still works as a metaphor in the sense of a country losing superpower status.
Ya, the term "3rd world" has since become synonymous with poor or developing countries.
It's not a correct or accurate term, but it's still used.
The consequences of Cold War politics echo through to the modern day.
Why does everything have to be so fucking political?
Faster broadband is good. Who fucking cares what political party?
But corporations don’t want to spend money on customers, so they’d rather keep customers on slow speeds and charge the same price.
Be fair. The prices go up.
For rural communities to get higher speeds ISPs have to actually use the money the government gives them for increasing rural community internet speeds on increasing rural community internet speeds. If broadband is defined as "one house in the county has access to internet as fast as your grandparents had growing up" then they've already met their goal and they don't need to spend any money and collect pure profit from government subsidies.
Biden thought that was bullshit and established policy to direct them to do the right thing. The current administration, however, is more than happy taking their checks to the back.
We should not be giving private entities cash without rigid metrics and timelines. In fact, we should claw back what we've given them.
In general I'd agree. Unfortunately, private entities and lobbyists don't and they'll pay politicians for the privilege of getting free money at the expense of the rest of us.
When will people who say shit like this wake the fuck up and realize that life is political?
Grow up and deal with it like everyone else, fucking cowards.
no, not like that, that doesn't do anything useful
Well yeah, we all know it's good. That's why Republicans want to take it away.
The problem with ignoring politics is that politics is never going to ignore you.
The wedge is already in place. They just keep pounding on it. This is 100% what happens when corporations and governments become one.
It's especially funny how Republicans are against regulations because according to them, it stifles progress and innovation. So why are they against regulations that try to force progress and innovation?
Of course we know why, because it's all a lie. They just want more money for the 1%. How there is even a single (non-1%'er) idiot left that votes for them is waaaay beyond me.
other country: lets bring in gig speeds Japan: futile we have and are testing terrabytes.. America: i like cheese.. govt cheese
Terabit per second speed is not impressive for backbone links. I could go to the office tomorrow and grab all the stuff needed to install one on our line through the alps, just by bundling 3 links of 400 Gbit/s with stuff we already have, and I'm working for a small to medium ISP.
What you are likely referring to, is the 1 Pbit/s over 1800 km demonstration that NICT presented at the OFC this year. That's impressive.
Neat. I’ve heard of backbones and T1-T3 lines. Butt that’s crazy, and makes sense.
Keep poor people in the dark or they won’t vote for you.
From a Swede with gigabit internet: didn't you Americans already give a lot of money to your ISPs to build fiber? Maybe time to demand a ROI?
Please don't remind me.
I wish these companies would all just go bankrupt and die already.
Kinda hard when they’ve gone full mafioso and split up the country into territories so that we only have like one choice and have to be a customer. Because capitalism runs on no competition and monopolies, right?
There should be daily reminders until there are consequences imho.
that was ages ago, they took the money and never developed it, they started to do something last year with biden, but trump reversed. Just like with HIGH RAIL system in california, trump blocked it all.
$100+ a month is normal, and gigabit internet is not available everywhere
I pay 639 SEK per month for 1 GB full duplex. And gigabit internet should be available in at least most of America, why else did you give away all that money?
$67 USD
FCC: Doing our job deemed extraneous.
Sounds like bullshit coming down the pipes to try and distract us from the news that the commander in chief is a kiddy diddler
Broadband quality:
Great
Good
Decent
Whatever ✅
The royal court is displeased with matters of the common peasantry
We will kill the effort with but a word
We will accept no further pleas for explanation
Such great. So many again
Get ready for your shitty internet to cost even more.
sigh
https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/the-42-billion-internet-program-that-has-connected-0-people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcZxaFfxloo
this interview has an excellent breakdown why progress is so hard, democrats decide if they cannot have everything, and be fair to everyone nothing gets done. its infuriating
Thank God we're also eliminating cheap solar panels from China. Who wants an energy source so unreliable. It literally didn't even shine for most of the entire time. Sure it's been lit for just a few million years but whatever are you gonna do when it eventually runs out of helium and hydrogen?
I'd prefer the new ford trash diesel hybrid....just start the engine on gasoline, switch to diesel, then just dump your trash for that week in the back and wait for the big ass black plume to reduce yo just a healthy soot. It can get 23miles per trashcan!..sorry, 2.3 downhill miles. Isn't it great? Mr.TrashyBurn!
Say it with me people.
Seperate infrastructure and service!
If the companies responsible for laying cable and wires weren't tied to a single brand we'd instantly break the monopolies by town that we currently have. They would also focus on maintaining the infrastructure and growing the network instead of the profits going elsewhere.
As someone who has had download speeds above gigabit all throughout the 2020s so far (and for under $60/mo as well), it blows my mind that there are parts of the country that still don't even have 10% of that.
Like what I'm saying is that even cell phone towers can do multi-gig speeds these days FFS, so there's no excuse even for rural areas to not have at least a couple of reliable gigabit options available, no matter where you are in the country.
If they can figure out reliable 5G in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, surely they can install an antenna on grandpa's farm and beam a 2.5Gbps signal directly to his rooftop. I mean my 1400Mbps line comes in through a 5G gateway sitting in my kitchen window sill and it has been just as reliable as fiber for me, even with a giant pine tree in the way blocking line-of-sight to the tower. ISPs need to stop making up excuses, and actually start investing those outrageous monthly fees they collect into better infrastructure.
What ISP do you have, $50 sounds great. My gb never goes beyond 450mbps but it definitely drops to sub 10mbps sometimes. And that's $70/month. Which I thought I was doing fairly well after coming off how bad Spectrum was for me previously. (Mine currently is through the local power/water company)
Verizon 5G Home Internet. The one with the big box that goes in your window, not the one with the smaller box that can go anywhere in the house.
This really depends on where you live. All broadnands are micro monopolies. I wish we'd pull a EU and split infrastructure and service. We'd get better speeds and prices everywhere
This screws over Trump supporters primarily, so go right ahead.
I want good things, and this is a bad thing that hurts stupid people more
That doesn't make it a good thing
I never said I'm happy about this, but leopards eating faces is the only thing keeping me sane.
I want to say "fair enough", but they're trying to do a genocide
I kinda think you might have to keep yourself sane by getting involved in the resistance. Phone bank for progressive victory, get involved with your local DSA... Or something
Do what you can, but do enough that you won't feel ashamed when children ask about it. It will make you feel better today too
Dumb take. When the Trump supporters can't get good internet speeds from their local broadband infrastructure thanks to crap like this, they turn to Starlink, prop up fascist Elmo, and to boot they have it reinforced to them once again that the 'government is useless, only the Free Market ©® can provide good quality services'.
Why shouldn't they turn to Starlink if it's better than their local ISPs? If it offers better service I'd use it too. Objectively, Starlink is pretty great. If local ISPs don't invest in their infrastructure they deserve to lose customers. I don't understand your take at all. If you don't think the folks on the boards of those ISPs aren't just as evil as Musk you're not paying attention.
You have it backwards. Why should Starlink be the only reasonable choice for so much of the country? Why should it be the fastest choice for so many?
Why should the federal govt have paid so much money to broadband providers to try to establish a monopoly for Elon musk? He’s got enough money to do that for himself
Sure, broadband providers deserve to go out of business if they don’t serve customers, but that doesn’t work when they can choose to serve only the most profitable customers. More importantly customers deserve to have decent service. Broadband is a need for modern life and should be treated as any other utility
Starlink is only 'better' (in some cases, certainly isn't better in all nor at all times as its speed is highly variable), because your US cable and ISP giants have lobbied for decades to remove any oversight the FCC may exert on them - up to and including banning local communities from building their own networks, and ensuring that they have more or less monopoly control in many rural markets.
The only way to fix this is with the hammer of the FCC regulation. The 'free market' cannot fix a monopoly.
So when you laugh at your rural citizenry getting shafted by FCC policy changes that will benefit nobody but the large ISPs & cable companies, because you're in a city and have lots of optiond with the competition that high-density living affords, you're shooting your own regulatory powers in the foot for the sake of spite.
This is all setting aside of course than a huge proportion of rural Americans are not MAGA.
So yeah that's why it's a crappy take.
I never said Starlink is in any way better than all ISPs or even infrastructure types, but it's undeniable that Starlink is the best internet solution for millions of Americans, no doubt millions of others globally. I personally know dozens of 'salt of the Earth' types that only had access to traditional satellite internet. Abysmal bandwidth with laughable latency and criminal data caps.
I'm 100% in agreement that governance has allowed and even encouraged cable/ISPs to run cartels and run rackets. If Starlink can offer the better service they should get all the customers and the ISPs companies can pound sand.
As for the rural dipshits, they don't need you to white knight for them. Their stupidity should be palpable so they have the stimuli to encourage reflection.
Yeah keep moving the goalposts, I never claimed you said Starlink was better than all ISPs I simply clarified 'better'. I'm white-knighting for the rural users now? No I'm pointing out how stupid it is to cheer for the regulators that are supposed to work for you instead shitting on you, because the corporations have lobbied them to and a very corporation-friendly government is in power.
Your response: cheer for the big corporate ISP (what do you think Starlink is exactly)? Gtfoh.
🤣 I just can't take you serious. What goalpost? Am I supposed to know what 'better' means outside of using objective metrics? I'm hardly cheering for broadband standards to fall, but relishing in a bit of schadenfreude.
Apparently I didn't make myself clear way earlier in this thread when I said ALL the stakeholders of these telecom companies are parasites sucking off the hard work of their subordinates. They're vile oligarchic demons looking to squeeze every cent they can. Fascism is just the flavor of the week.
also it will be more expensive in the long run.
Say what you will about Musk, and he is an irredeemable piece of trash, but at least he's open about it. I'd much rather have my Nazis out in the open for the world to see. The CEOs of mega corps/elites are the real enemy, which Musk is one.
It's only better if the ISPs don't use the money the government gave them to do the thing they said they would do. Which is literally what this article is about, or have you already forgotten?
Shocker.
This is the same administration who is going all-in on oil and coal for energy production. Nobody should be surprised.
Taking us back in time in more ways than one. Thanks MAGAts.
MAGA is really MANG
Making America Not Great
But WHY???
Money
You don't want to stifle innovation by adding a bunch of regulations, do you?
/s
So glad I don't live in that shithole any more.
They see what is happening either the electorate turning on Israel, DSA members getting elected, and they would rather sentence the country to terminal technological/economic decline than allow it to proliferate.
So shrinkflation to show affordability. Got it.
Just republicans setting things up to fuck us again.
Every other country in the world is trying to make their population smarter and more connected, and we're trying our hardest to make our people stupider with less access to information.
Why have we allowed the most corrupt, despicable people to make decisions for us?
Because society has frowned on punching people who desperately need it in the face!
Comcast and all the rest of those shithead parasites lobbied the heck out of this, I bet. And money talks big, especially in our current whorehouse, I mean, white house.
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Yet another thing that Biden somehow managed to fail us on.
Did he do anything to protect our rights or our freedoms or was it all just incremental budget bills to fund projects that are going to keep their billionaire donors happy?
Edit:
Just a few American services he refused to utilize and fix.
Wanna talk about other broken promises?
Name one permanent thing that he did that still benefits the majority of Americans today.
Republicans fuck us.
Are the Republicans the problem?
No, it must be the Democrats.
How many times does the opposition party need to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory for it to form the clear composite picture of complicity?
Yeah the Democrats are doing so much to stop the Republicans now 🙄
Definitely seems like they are the warrior of the people.
They're definitely not answering any corporate overlords or imposing political strategies that are known to fail and haven't worked in nearly 20 years in order not to offend their donors.
No we can ignore the dramatic shifts the Kamala campaign talk in order to appeal to moderates that resulted in her getting less conservative votes than biden did in 2020.
Let's ignore the geriatric old man that also promised to run again despite the fact that nobody wanted him to and internal DNC polling predicting it would be an abject failure.
Finally let's not forget the genocide they funded with open arms and full throated support proving to be the reason that one in three absentee voters who voted in 2020 did not vote in 2024.
Yep let's just ignore all of the bumblefuckery of the Democrats and how they literally fumbled an election that was on a silver platter.
I mean it's clear they haven't learned their lesson my removing David hog and not really supporting Zohran mamdani. The official org president has come out and supported him but notable Democratic leaders still haven't endorsed him.
No it was definitely the Republicans who only capitalized on the failure of the Democrats to do literally anything useful.
Then let’s blame in the electorate. In the end it’s our lack of solidarity causing this mess. Powers gonna power.
Seriously let's just blame the electorate?
I didn't hear the Republicans complaining about Their electorate when they embraced Trump despite the objection of most mainstream Republicans.
Power's going to power?
Well people push power back and will just refuse to capitulate to the whole system which is what caused the Democrats to lose the election in 2020.
The job of the Democrat Party is to energize the electorate to vote, something the Republican Party clearly understands: maybe the Democrat Party should take lessons
I kinda see where you’re coming from. Life would be so much fucking better if the Democrats did what many of us want our votes to go towards.
But I think it’s so jarring to see an article about someone doing something heinous and the response sounds like more of the “they’re both the same” message that imo hurt our chances of having rulers with any chance of listening to the people.
I’ve always seen U.S. elections as lesser of two evils. It seems to me the time to put pressure on the Democrats is when they hold the most power. But it’s slow and power structures are inherently dirty. So it is a difficult, disgusting slog. Its not any easier, but real change has to come from the masses. We can’t count on leaders/heroes to save us. We never could.
I think seeing the elections as voting for the "Lesser evil" is a mistake that too many Americans are making.
I completely understand why people are taking so much umbrage with this opinion of mine especially given that it attacks a fairly core identity of liberal politics.
What I'm pointing out is that we knew this was coming. We begged the Democrats to do something, anything stop this or to head It Off and we're meant with that's too hard to politically do.
Especially frustrating watching how fast the Trump Administration has made changes despite Court pushback.
I point this out because people seem to think that if we vote the Democrats back in that'll fix everything or anything when that's just going to delay the inevitable fall do fascism because they refuse to address any of the root problems and naturally people get apathetic. It's incredibly clear how little our voice matters or how our vote counts right now.
The Democrats are just different side of the same coin and they promise the world and then have the gall to deliver completely inadequate compromises as a solution and then refuse to address it such as in the case of the ACA.
Joe Biden had four years to fix some of these problems like the issues with the fcc and the major problem of having a large corporate owner who owns a huge portion of both FedEx and UPS in control of the post office and drastically cutting their budgets to the Bone which might have indirectly helped Donald Trump win the election in 2024. There is a ton the executive branch could have done to make the FCC functional and actually ensuring some of our rights so that it would take time for the Trump Administration to undo those protections. I'm not stupid I know they wouldn't survive for long but it would slow him down which gives time for other groups to Rally against Trump and the Republican Party but was unable to take any sort of advantage.
It is so incredibly clear from the way the Republicans are acting and organizing that there was so much more the Democrats could have done that's they are refusing to do out of some inane sense of Civility politics or respectability which should have gone out of the window 20 plus years ago.
The problem is the Democrats don't see the Republican party as a problem. They see this Republican party as a problem but the old moderate one with Bush was fine. Most of the constituents that represent the Democrats find the entire institution of the Republicans to be abhorrent and do not want the Democrats to work with them despite the overwhelming majority of democrat Representatives that push that narrative.
The Democrats want a strong Republican Party
They do not understand that this is part of the problem with their strategy.
I'm sorry if I sound a little heated. I'm incredibly passionate about this topic and have done a lot of research to come to the opinions that I possess.
Then let me make it much more clear what things are at stake. Hint: many many lives are literally at stake. We are literally voting to save lives. Or don't vote and help Republicans kill more Americans.
Trump administration wants to close key weather labs nationwide
TrumpBodyCount++
U.S. measles cases hit highest level in 33 years, CDC reports
TrumpBodyCount++
Trump killed US climate aid.
TrumpBodyCount++
Trump takes an ax to more than a dozen pollution rules
TrumpBodyCount++
Trump administration’s deep cuts to public health leave system reeling
TrumpBodyCount++
They are doing this with their losing identity politics.
I don't know of any such "shifts". Kamala got fewer conservative votes than Biden because of her gender.
This kind of hyperbole nonsense had 2 results. (1) Things are now at least 5x worse for Gazans than when Biden is president. (2) People like you don't care anymore about Gaza, let alone care that things are far, far worse now than before. Now that Gaza is gotten MUCH closer to "genocide" than it was is exactly the time people quit paying attention. The media manipulation about Gaza you fell for served its purpose -- it helped score gigantic tax cuts for billionaires and so it is no longer needed and has been turned off. Now you have to actively pay attention to specific details about Gaza since the media no longer hypes it. And if you do pay attention to the specific details, you realize that things in Gaza have become far more grim under Trump.
Myself and the millions of other people voting for him wanted him to run again, at least initially. Of course I would have preferred Sanders more.
On the one hand fuck their diversity rules that removed Hog. On the other hand DNC members should NOT be endorsing primary candidates.
Oh yes let's just ignore the reality the situation and make up bullshit to support your argument. I love it when we get to this part of the politics thread.
So you didn't notice that as soon as Kamala got the nomination from the DNC that her strategy entirely changed because she picked up Biden's advisors and they went with a Do no harm strategy that specifically capitulated to moderates something that was noted by the majority report and most liberal mainstream Media news sources during 2024? I'd love to link you a few articles if you're interested.
Things are five times worse for the Palestinians now? I'm sorry who was president during the majority of the time the Palestinian genocide was going on? Yeah Trump and the maralogo crowd in Florida definitely did a whole lot to push that genocide forward and definitely did a lot to tie Biden's hands and there's definitely not reporting that Biden was literally a godsend to Israel due to not putting any pressure on them. Come on this is well known that Biden did literally nothing about the Palestinian genocide. Stop pretending this is a win, it's unequivocally not. Biden's Legacy will forever be stained by the title of "Genocide Joe" oh and the fact that he delivered us directly to Trump.
Yes millions of people voted for Biden but it's very very clear that the strategy of going out to vote for "harm reduction" was not enough to deal with apathetic voters. Getting people to vote doesn't mean getting them engaged in electoralism it means getting them engaged with local organizations where they can actually see change affect things around them. then those people might have an interest in voting which deals with the apathetic voting issue. But you don't get there by focusing solely on getting people to vote.
I'm glad we agree on the DNC and David hog. It is entirely bullshit what the DNC did to him and it's entirely bullshit that the DNC endorses candidates.
Look I'm not saying that people shouldn't vote, I am saying that focusing on electoralism as one of the most important or the most important thing is the wrong strategy and will do nothing to help save us from Trump. This is literally been the strategy of the Democrats for the last 20 years and it's not worked.
Nope. I noticed zero changes from her positions as VP.
At least that much for Gazans.
Israel attacks kill more than 80 in Gaza as starvation intensifies
Gaza: 875 people confirmed dead trying to source food in recent weeks
Gazans tell BBC of extreme hunger as UN condemns Israel-backed aid system
Israel condemned by 25 nations over "inhumane killing" of Gaza civilians and "drip feeding of aid" as war expands
Terror and chaos for Gaza’s people now entering the ‘death phase’
Stop pretending that Trump actively covering up for Israel that allowed things to become 5x to 10x worse is not a massive loss. YOU HELPED MAKE THINGS MUCH WORSE FOR GAZANS. Why don't you care that because of the cover Trump is giving Israel, Israel arranged the food distribution system to kill 875 Gazans? Why don't you care that because of the cover Trump is giving to Israel, Gaza's people are "now entering death phase"?
So here's an article from Newsweek and noting the change in her campaign strategy
https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-campaign-leaning-losing-strategy-opinion-1974332
200,000 people have died in Gaza most of that occurring in 2023 to 2024. Who was president during that time?
Whatever other stats you have are irrelevant since the genocide started with Joe.
What's really fucking awful is that Trump is actually done more to help Palestinians than Biden dreamed of doing and that's just because Trump is fucking around with Netanyahu not because Trump gives a fuck about Palestine.
Here you want to talk about material changes that changed in 2025?
Well Biden restricted funding to UNRWA directly contributing to the death of probably hundreds of Palestinians that desperately needed that Aid.
Biden threatened the houthis to get them to stop bombing Israel ships where Trump did not give a fuck and made a deal with the houthis as long as they didn't attack American ships he didn't care what they did. Israel is currently suffering a major port shutdown due to the houthi blockade which was only possible because of trump.
Trump did secure ceasefire initially when he's got into office Regardless of what he did and how he did it he did get a ceasefire which is something that Biden failed over and over and over and over to do.
And as ridiculous as Trump is in the Middle East is clear that he doesn't want a lot of war in the Middle East because he wants to look like a strong tough president that maintains World stability. That's a whole lot fucking better than Biden's full-throated support for the Palestinian genocide along with taking every single step to ensure that Israel could not be interrupted committing their genocide.
This sets the number at 60,000 in Jan 2025. So if its up to 200,000, we know that 140,000 of those deaths were in the 6 months of Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump. So Gazan deaths per month under Trump were about 4x higher than when Biden was president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war
It literally says below that under Trump the "WORST case scenario" of the entire war is happening right now. You are actively defending Gaza's "worst case" genocide scenario and supporting its chief enabler in the USA. You don't give the slightest fuck about anybody in Gaza because you are in reality a right wing fascism supporter.
Gaza experiencing ‘worst case’ scenario of famine, leading aid group warns
How do you remember to breathe when you're this breathtakingly stupid?
Name a single permanent policy that he put in place that benefits the majority of Americans today.
nothing is permanent if you put a dictator into power who disregards all the checks and balances sweaty
Love the misspelling of "sweety"
Love the implication the Democrats are powerless.
Love the implications that Joe Biden couldn't have done anything more than what he did.
Still miss the challenge though which was name on permanent policy the Democrats have done that Joe Biden has done. I can name a few from Obama that did have a permanent impact on people but it's kind of funny I'm drawing at blank Joe Biden.
It's almost like his administration was entirely political theater designed to seemingly capitulate to populist ideas will not really giving them anything.
Lowering ACA premiums and increasing tax credits and increasing taxes on corporations may be "political theater" to you, but it's real to all the people affected. I would love to see Dems start doing much more of Sander's programs, but its nonsense that just because Biden didn't do a huge thing that (1) happen to affect you personally instead of other people, and (2) happen to be something that affected you AND you were paying attention to (e.g. tax credits), that he didn't do anything.
Lowering the ACA premiums and increasing some tax credits that could be easily Dodge by corporations was quite the accomplishment of one of the most Progressive administrations in American history.
I don't know why people are so upset about Universal Health Care or the government option that the Democrats were being on about during the 2020 election.
It's not like a Democrats allowed all of the protections protecting children from Child property to expire in 2022.
Certainly not like the tax credit was a feature of the Trump Administration that Biden then enhanced.
Doesn't address the very real problems with these services that every day Americans rely on
Nice, a problem that can be helped with electoral politics, not just on the federal level, but that can be done on the state and on the local too. So you do get the issues you just chose to no show because you are privileged and protected from the brunt of the punishment.
WTFLOL. How the fuck are corporations going to take away your legal tax credits? Do you even know how tax credits work?
Some clarification....
The president does not make permanent policy. Congress makes permanent policies.
Asking for the permanent policies Biden enacted as president is like asking for the length of the 4th side of a triangle.
Yeah, I wonder why it's called the FDR reformations and not the reformations of the 73rd Congress. 🙄
FDR used his bully pulpit and leveraged the wide availability of radio to have his "Fireside Chats" and speak directly to American voters. FDR only signed legislation and carried it out, he did not write it. The president does not make permanent policy, he carries out the policies set by Congress.
Just so we're clear, you're explaining that FDR got those things through by taking actions that he was able to do, and that if he hadn't, we would not have gotten.
IE he is directly responsible for the permanent creation of multiple agencies which would not have been created without his foresight, plan, or public push.
What was that about him carrying out plans by Congress when he constantly had to wield public authority to make Congress do the things they were supposed to do? You just not gonna mention the fact that he had to threaten the supreme court multiple times to stack the court or remove justices in order to get them to play along with his reformations?
Besides, the democrats haven't done anything like that in around 79 years which goes to my point that they aren't doing anything.
That was Obama who promised this, not Biden
Because he isn't a dictator. The GOP supreme court killed it. Because the GOP had a majority. And they had a majority because Ralph Nadar voters threw Bush the election in 2000.
Could be.
Agree 100% on this. FUCK!!!
This is simplistic. The US actually had a lower inflation rate than most 1st world countries did.
He reduced ACA premiums for everyone using that insurance. He increased tax credits for all Americans with dependents.
Biden govt health option https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/health-202-biden-public-option-health-insurance/amp/
Right the president's not supposed to be a dictator so it would have been helpful to get some of those rulings on the books before Trump became president. How do you get there by utilizing the power that the Supreme Court gave to Biden.
Yes the US does have one of the lowest inflation rates from 2020 completely ignores purchasing power of the average person in the United States compared to those in the rest of the world.
The ACA is a Band-Aid and while lowering premiums is a good thing he didn't exactly lower them past the point of their increase in inflation. Trump did do the tax credit thing Biden just continued it and Trump is continuing it again.
lemmy.ml, opinion discarded.Genetic fallacy detected.
Inability to engage with constructive points noted.
Anything else that you would like to declare about your lack of literacy or your inability to criticize?
Now talk me about how the "people's strongman leader" will be better than the "christofascist strongman leader"!
Nah I'd much rather focus on the Legacy left by the Democrats and particularly Joe Biden and ensuring that Trump won an election that was almost handed to the Democrats on a silver platter.