Spyke
lemmy.world

That’s it. We found the most 21st century thing ever:

A GoFundMe for a political assassination.

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blitzenreply
lemmy.ca

I saw a billboard (in California) for a gofundme for Texas disaster relief. That feels peak 2025 to me.

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Drusasreply
fedia.io

And those people have been trained to hate California(ns).

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lemmy.world

I think Maher is right when it come to how people in shithole states are taught to hate California, when the reality is that they are jealous of Cali.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

That's probably at least partly right, but the most smugly arrogant American that isn't the Mango Mussolini himself is perhaps not the best messenger for a "they hate me 'cause they ain't me" message 😄

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I doubt most of the teabaggers would listen to anything that counters their emotional beliefs. And yeah, Maher comes across as smug - but he's not at all wrong....I mean, it's probably even more true these days since California is the 4th largest economy now.

The people always bitching about Cali (but most likely have never been) have real "I hate the prom queen and prom king, they are so stuck up!" energy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6739677/Bill-Maher-makes-fun-Americans-living-red-states-saying-affluent-educated.html

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And you know what, I desperately want my (tax) money to go to supporting them in their disaster.

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I seem to recall reading one of the divisive things the cipherpunks on their mailing list discussion was about untraceable digital money (before Bitcoin) and the thought experiment about just this very kind of thing (minus the siren server like GoFundMe, because why would you want that in the mix if you were doing this kind of thing).

Not that anyone set it up, and the many proposals around digital cash did not really gain traction until 2009 or so...but this was from the 90s.

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Kinda figured it would be removed. Which is kind of funny since it's mentioned right there in the article.

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Taldanreply
lemmy.world

I was curious what it would be like. Looks like a pretty normal fundraiser site. Probably wasn't worth getting put on another NSA list tho

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infosec.pub

You mean to tell me that you're not using a private dns server or at least a vpn?

Just raw-dogging that ethernet, eh?

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Did you know that it's illegal to say, "I wish someone would kill the president of the united states"?

Im not saying it, im just letting you know that it's illegal. Like a public service announcement.

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Wolfreply
lemmy.today

"Fun" fact. Trevor "Fell from his Balcony" and died shortly after this video.

What a weird coincidence.

Edit: Apparently it was a decade later. I was confused.

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No. I was just confused. The first time I saw this was a few months before he died and I guess I didn't realize it was from years earlier. My bad.

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lemmy.today

For some reason I thought this was a Matt Walsh bit. Wkuk and ucb occupy a similar area of my brain.

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Hoboreply
lemmy.world

They are pretty similar in a lot of ways. Like how Matt Walsh walks around with a gallon of meth on most days, and he probably has kids tied to his radiator in his basement so he can grape them. Just uncanny really.

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You can, however, wish bad fortune and ill luck befall the president. Its the "I want a person to do a thing" problem because it sounds like you could looking for somebody to hire.

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lmmarsanoreply
lemmynsfw.com

Did you know that it’s illegal to say, “I wish someone would kill the president of the united states”?

Nope: can't know things that aren't true.

It's not a true threat. When someone said

If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J.

that, too, was rejected as a true threat. The Secret Service may pay you a visit, though.

So, when are you not killing the president?

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lemmy.world

interestingly, $35 millions came from a single donation in $MELANIA memecoins

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nibblerreply
discuss.tchncs.de

Your comment made me actually open the article. Sadly your comment seems to be fake. I want to believe!!

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slrpnk.net

What are the stretch goals? I mean, we have a whole slew of shitbags the world would be better off without.

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comadorreply
lemmy.world

"The above sum ($40,286, 867) will be received by the people who have committed themselves to any freedman who will carry out the sentence of justice."

($45,286, 867)

"A photo of the deceased will be published."

($50,286, 867)

"A recording of their last words will be published."

($60,286, 867)

"Ol' Pete will get the Russian resignation treatment."

($65,286, 867)

"Marco will get a special tea to drink."

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He's the new Kissinger. Death has been trying to claw machine him since that SSS Kissinger pull.

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Zabjamreply
feddit.org

Why article 5? Is it not only valid if a country suffers an unprovoked attack? It will be hard to argue that bombing a country is not a provocation.

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Article 5 and Catch 22, which in this case would be formulated as, "They can do anything that we can't stop them from doing." One could make that argument, but who'd be listening?

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mercreply
sh.itjust.works

You can get thrown in a concentration camp because your skin's too dark and you weren't carrying your ID, even if you're a US citizen.

That's one of the side effects about tossing out the rule of law. If merely protesting or having a certain meme on your phone is dangerous, then might as well go all in.

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Funding a foreign assassination attempt will only unite all of the right-of-center and take away some of support of "centrist"/"conservative" democrats.

If it's done in full seriousness, sure. But, the left can play the same game the right does. "Haha, it's a joke, I just donated $10 to the kill Trump GoFundMe, isn't that hilarious! What's wrong, MAGA? Triggered? What snowflakes! Relax, it isn't real, it's just a joke. OR IS IT!? Haha, only joking, you thought I was serious. You MAGAs just can't take a joke!"

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If Trump were assassinated, I would celebrate, and donate to the assassin's defense fund. I don't care if MAGA Nazis consider me a terrorist. Fuck them and their treasonous, corrupt ignorance.

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As he lived for creating chaos, his own death would make him happy. The man who destroyed civilization has a certain ring, doesn't it?

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vgareply
sopuli.xyz

Perhaps move to Iran first, then you can really appreciate the greatness of that society and their great struggle against evil.

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A temporary alliance in a common goal is fine. Whatever Iran is doing it doesn't deserve the Israel/US bombing and war crimes.

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lemmy.world

Has there ever been an assassination that was motivated by a public bounty? And did the assassin successfully collect?

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lemmy.world

I’m not asking whether there have been any previous similar bounties—I’m asking whether any of them were the primary incentive for a successful assassination.

The attempt against Rushdie failed, and the attacker claims to have had religious rather than financial motivations (and doesn’t seem to have planned to escape to collect payment in any case).

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JcbAzPxreply
lemmy.world

If they got away with it, we won't have heard about it.

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lemmy.world

That’s why I’m specifically wondering about the public aspect of the bounty—it presupposes that the assassin will be publicly known and able to conduct financial transactions afterward, and that the sponsor will be able to openly make good on their promise.

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

One way they could do it:

  • assassin writes down their plan, including time, place, method, and payment address
  • assassin hashes plan, then time-stamps and publishes the hash
  • assassination takes place
  • assassin publishes plantext plan and link to hash, proving beforehand knowledge
  • sponsor pays assassin without even having to know who it is
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lemmy.world

The sponsor would have to be able to publicly demonstrate that the assassin was paid, though—otherwise they could claim to have paid the bounty while keeping the money, and the assassin couldn‘t protest without exposing their identity.

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Since the payment address has been published, anyone can verify whether or not it's received any payments.

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aussie.zone

The problem is that Trump isn't actually in charge. He's just the figurehead who holds everyone's attention.

You'd have to remove half the supreme court, Congress, the electoral college, and the entire Heritage Foundation if you wanted a chance at fixing the US.

Trump on his own is a bumbling toddler who couldn't even make his own executive order to sign. I'd rather see him in a nursing home while the people who put him in power get tried for their crimes.

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lemmy.world

Yes, but since all the bumbling toddlers in the US vote for Trump, he's a powerful figurehead. I mean, I'm all for killing the rest on your list too, but he'd be a fantastic start.

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sh.itjust.works

Starting with Dump would give us President Vance, who could mess things up faster

Also more likely to cause a martyr situation starting with him

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mrgoosmoosreply
lemmy.ca

imo anything that makes this shit hit rock bottom more quickly so america can rebuild as a non-nazi nation is a good move

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The problem is, rock bottom has two paths out. The first is to rebuild as a non-nazi nation. The other is to go full Nazi and just stay at rock bottom for a few decades.

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lemmy.world

I realize theyre now all in office now, so you may be right. But did anyone notice how the bumbling idiot orange puppet was a critical part of gaining that power?

He is certainly a puppet, but maybe without that puppet, it'll be like trying to play He-Man when the kid next door took your He-Man figure.

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lemmy.ca

He is crucial to their movement though. Most MAGA don't give a shit about anyone else. This is a cult and without dear leader it will wither.

If Iran were to turn Trump into a glob of orange meat (I mean, more than he is right now), the cult will freak out. Some will blame it on deep state. Clinton and Biden will be name dropped. But there will be nothing to keep the movement going. I think Project 2025 will start to wither as well because no one involved can capture the mob like Trump can.

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bthestreply
lemmy.world

Only to have Democrats fail to undo a single thing Trump did, just like in 2021. No matter how he dies, Trump and MAGA will haunt the USA for however long it has left before the inevitable collapse.

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It won't end with Trump. His followers are brainwashed and will happily follow the next con man like sheep, just as they follow corrupt religious leaders. Not a critical thought in their heads. And anyone but a Dem.

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You’d have to remove half the supreme court

Make that two thirds of the Supreme Court. Most of the worst decisions have been 6-3.

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Curb your Enthusiasm did a whole season about this. Should be relatively straightforward for him to get them to call it off as long as he follows their blueprint.

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I'm picturing Taco dressing up as "Buck Dancer" and arguing over hotel staff about the proper handling of baked goods and whether they are "freshly baked" by the in-house chef, or just Pepperidge Farm products.

🤣

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If some Iranians want to hunt down and put an end to some vile child molester’s wretched existence, who am I to stand in their way?

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"So how did you solve world hunger?" "First we had a go fund me to assassinate DT. Met our goal. Then we fulfilled our end of the bargain." "Go on..." "The we defunded ICE, and solved world hunger. 120B goes a long way."

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lemmy.world

I don't think making him a martyr would be a good idea. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't shed a tear if he passed with the worst agony I can imagine. But making him a martyr would make his agenda immortal.

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Huginreply
lemmy.world

Martyrs tend to be symbols to a cause. Trump and maga don't have much ideology it's more a cult of personality. Those tend to go away when the central figure dies.

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t_beriumreply
lemmy.world

I understand what you mean. But think of Hitler. Obviously his agenda did not die with him. But imagine all the numbnuts if he was assasinated on the peak of his power.

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And to be fair, the easiest way to tell someone doesnt belong in society is when they start spouting hitlers views. A little litmus test, as a treat

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Allemaniacreply
lemmy.world

thats exactly what he did. He killed himself before he could get captured because videos of him in detention and beaten senseless would diminish his legacy. Your example is prove of the other guy being right

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Also, Hitler didn't invent racism or antisemitism. His agenda didn't die with him not because he was such a powerful figure, but because he was harnessing prejudices that have existed before apes even started to walk upright.

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I'm unconvinced they can find a replacement for him that touches the nerve of all those hateful loons at once. Who are they going to have? JD Vance and his eyeliner?

The next election they'd play the "Do it for Him" card, but I can't see them queuing round the block to vote for anyone else. They voted for Donald because even in their politically sheltered lives, they'd heard of him and seen him on TV. As somebody who watched Boris Johnson rise to power, it really is as fucking dumb as that.

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Worst take in the thread. Martyr or not his philosophy and his followers is "unbridled self interest" aka "fuck you, I got mine." Martyrdom is antethetical to the cause.

Somebody offing him would set a good example that being a corrupt, fascist leader is not a good way to get riches or a long healthy life.

Am I saying anyone should do something? No.

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Salehreply
feddit.org

I disagree. The people who want to make him a Martyr will make him a Martyr no matter what. The people who know what he has done will understand that him being killed doesn't make any of that better.

See the way all the other Fascists in the world before him were handled.

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I don't think you are wrong. But I think an assassination would be the icing on the idiot cake.

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jj4211reply
lemmy.world

Nah, it needs to be supremely conspiracy proof. Too many people will believe it was assassination of it could have possibly been assassination.

He's an old unhealthy man, albeit with the best possible health care. His passing is moderately likely in an average day from health issues.

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sh.itjust.works

He also completely seems the type to leave a come-to-jesus meeting with his doctor about how he absolutely has to change his diet and start exercising and still hit the McDonald's drive thru on the way home, so with a little luck, the best possible medical care won't matter nearly as much as it could.

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No doubt, but a cardiac event will have the best possible imaginable intervention. Might not be enough, but if anyone can pull through on the back of medical capability, it's him

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Further I think Trump is now the least of our problems with the Trump administration. I fear JD would be even worse.

During the Biden term, the worst people built plans around a trump return to office and the relatively more strong execution this time versus last time is from those around him, not himself so much.

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discuss.tchncs.de

Alright, i am a very vocal opponent to Cryptocurrency, but i do see that there might be some cases where they are useful.

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Kill Hitler fundraisers are unironically one of supposed ancap mechanisms against tyranny.

I just love how reality keeps proving me right.

(Would prefer a heaven where it doesn't, of course)

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Kokeshreply
lemmy.world

They should throw at least 100 virgins on top of the payout!

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There might be some if Ham comes back with it. He’s out right now.

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lemmy.today

nah, I don't want him to become a martyr. better if he dies from a heart attack on the toilet. 🤷‍♂️

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When this nearly 80 year old fat guy, who loves burgers and hates exercise, eventually has a stroke, the right will still come up with crazy conspiracy theories about his death.

Idiots will find a way to make him a martyr. Hell, idiots thought he was secretly trying to stop Epstein.

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That's the stretch goal, making it look like an accident is at 80 million.

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donreply
lemmy.ca

There’s nothing saying such an appropriate demise can’t be surreptitiously expedited.

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lemmy.world

I dunno, I think the idea of President Vance or President Johnson even don’t really seem like upgrades.

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lemmy.world

Yeah, I cannot decide who I'd want least out of those two. They are both so goddamned weird. That porn pact thing that little johnson has with his son - really weird. And he always comes off as just so creepy and awful.

And "JD" - that asshole sitting there and asking Zelenskyy if he said thank you? "JD" can go fuck himself.

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One thing trump is really good at is playing people off each other. The man has a learning disability and is under-educated, but only a fool denies his savvy. He accepted vance knowing he couldn’t hold a coalition of the stupid and greedy, and if trump falls, they all fall to infighting unless there’s a dark horse I’m not seeing.

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Their politics are just as evil, but they're not capable of being cult leaders. That alone is an improvement.

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lemmy.ca

Trump's first thought..."How can I get in on that money?".

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phxreply

Iranian hardline version of Kickstarter shoot be called "HeartStopper". I'm wondering what their stretch goals are.

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lemmy.world

Ugh, does anyone want to see "JD" "Vance" take that role while the qons make a martyr of this shithead?

Or possibly worse, that little dweeby troll magamike johnson if they were to target "JD", too?

The people behind 2025 will use anyone else as their tool and if Taco were to fatwa'ed, it wouldn't make anything better and would most likely make things much worse.

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lemmy.world

Hypothetically, if Trump flatlined, Vance would be FAR better. He doesn't command the cult. The cult would finally fracture. Rats would finally speak truth to power.

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Not sure about that.

It's how they acquired the office, but depending on how much they dismantle democracy, they don't need the popular cult as much.

JD extending his term under some emergency context after a trump assassination may be the thing that we don't come back from.

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lemmylumpreply
lemmy.world

Was JFK ever a martyr? They elected Nixon the next election.

I just don't buy this argument, and as far as J Davenport fucker is concerned I don't think he could hold the party together, and they'd eat themselves.

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The next election after JFK was Johnson slaughtering Goldwater. I wondered what fucker's middle initial stood for. thx.

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They are extremely cult-like about Taco. I saw one of them put one of those stupid "never give up" shirts [1] on their kids and went out in public with it last summer. I mean, what the actual hell. Who knows if the spell will every break with the true believers. Even if Taco were to stroke out on live tv and shit his diaper, they'd probably blame that on Hillary or Biden or Hunter's hard drive, oops, I mean, "laptop". These people are fucking crazy.

[1] The pose where he was thinking "photo-op" right after the shattered glass hit his ear.

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I mean, for legal reasons, I'm not going to tell them to do it. I'm also not going to tell them not to do it though!

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lemmy.zip

How does a fatwa work? I don’t know much about it. Can anyone collect that bounty or do you, like, need to be Islamic/Iranian?

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Is there a donation website or something?

Just curious. I wouldn't send money. Thoughts and prayers maybe. No money.

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Oh my. Many would do it for free, but with this much incentive perhaps someone more "skilled" might want to get some skin in the game and expedite results.

Under other circumstances I'd find this kind of effort deplorable, but oh well. I'll label it balance/Newton's 3rd Law and call it a day. When you have these elephants dancing around with billions of lives there tends to be a push back of some kind, sooner or later.

Even if not now, with this specific effort, someday the bill will have to come due to those involved. Just like Hitler managed to get pretty far in his quest to spread suffering but eventually got his comeuppance. A marathon, not a race, as they say.

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lemmy.org

I fatwa $50 billion on Putin if the killer sırvives. If he does then I will kill him myself to not pay the price.

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mtgzone.com

I don't see one death changing much. His enablers would just enable someone else.

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I feel like him getting more noble peace prize nominations would only make this bounty go up and would become even more comedic. Jehovah forbid they actually give him one. lmao

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discuss.online

It'll never succeed and to be honest, killing the Orange Jackass now world be counter productive. He's the head of a cult and one of the most important lessons of Christianity is to never make martyrsb out of cult leaders.

The best thing that could happen is he dies or is otherwise incapacitated by a stroke or heart attack. Then he MAGA will year itself apart trying to consolidate around over if several new leaders who lack the particular kind of charisma Trump possessed. Vance will be a puppet President that will seesaw between whichever faction is ascendant at any particular point, or else stick to one faction that has the most leverage.

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For approximately 9.5 years now the liberal solution to trump- like yours- is to do nothing. Your way is not working.

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Let's assume that succeeds. A bunch of religious fanatics signing their fellow countrymen's death warrant. How is that different from maga loonies pulling down America? Still love the fact, but... Yeah

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feddit.uk

He hasn't managed to start any global conflicts, despite his best efforts. All the other countries are having to be the adult in the room while he shits the bed.

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