Trump Voter Gets Choked Up After ICE Detains a Third of His Staff
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Trump voter can go fuck himself. Then get back to fuckin work doing what his employees used to do before he voted for Trump.
Himself
He can hire other Magats. They will do the job even better!
My Dad did construction for 40 years. Even before the companies started hiring a lot of immigrants, it's hard to find roofers.
It's a hard to find people with the knowledge or ability to learn - that are also not afraid of heights and have the coordination to not fall off and the attention to detail to not make the conditions for other people to fall.
Plus it's a horrible job. My dad was also a general contractor, and where we live is very hot and dry in the summer. I remember, as a kid, seeing roofers on top of a house in 100+ F heat, mopping hot tar; I thought that must be the worst job there was. When I got older and started working in aerospace, when my boss would say he needed someone to do some unfun task, I'd always volunteer because I'd be thinking, "this is so much better than mopping tar on a hot roof."
I'd take a tar mop in the summer over the winter any day
I used to work outside in -10F regularly. Far preferable to 100F.
Its easier to get warm than cool.
Try -20F, and soaked in sweat. Winter flat roofing sucks
But no Amuricans want to do back breaking labor for only $5 an hour, and without healthcare or three weeks vacation. Where am I supposed to find new labor to exploit so cheaply?
It’s not even want it’s can’t afford to.
Yeah, those American workers get kind of pissed when they get handed a 1099 at the end of the year and owe Taxes, Social Security/Medicare, and fees. A US citizen gets injured & starts to seek benefits because of it the state or feds probably likely to review if they are not just classifying employees as contractors.
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DOH thanks!
Starting to feel cheap getting so much use out of this
Should have used the version of this picture that makes his face bigger
thanking intensifies
They're the same picture.
No I think using memes featuring the guy's real face are important.
But that is his real face. /s
After he said he didn't really have buyer's remorse. Fuck this guy.
trumpers never admit buyers remorse, than they will have to reflect on thier decisions.
Maybe a little bit. I mean, that detention and deportation stuff might be just a touch heavy handed. One of these roofers had a little girl! I think. Oh well. Trump must have a plan or something.
I am trying to make it satire, but I don't think I am managing...
HE'S their EMPLOYER! If there were any justice he'd be in jail for employing them.
Remember, it's not only the people who are here illegally that are being arrested/deported.
It's important to remember that it isn't your citizenship or documentation that is the problem, it is your origin. If you were born somewhere else, they want you out, no matter what your legal situation is. Once they get done rounding up the undocumented, they will come for the rest. They don't even respect birthright citizenship, which is baked into the Constitution, they certainly aren't going to respect green cards or naturalized citizenship.
If you were born someplace else, you are unwelcome by the MAGA Nazis, and they will send you back, citizen or not.
Elon Musk has been a US citizen for more than 20 years, and they were talking about deporting him after he questioned Dear Leader and some of the Project 2025 agenda. And he's not even a person of color.
They definitely don't care about the law. They only care about homogeneity in both thought and appearance.
Pure leopard material yes, but this also highlights where the goalposts have shifted. The business owner fell for "were getting the criminals and rapists" lie, while the admin is rounding up everyone.
According to his lawyer, these employees had their papers in order and no criminal records domestically or in home country. So why were these employees collected? and why are so many republicans okay with this behaviour?
The sad part is that even if the lives of these MAGAs get worse - worse than the lives of the immigrants they look down upon in their home country, they would likely still be racist.
There are pockets in rural America, an obscenely rich country, that are borderline third world country conditions, and they still vote Republican with a sense of superiority and extreme ignorance of their relative standard of living compared to rest of the world.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if some of them were okay with trading electricity and sewage systems (return to 1700s) for racial and religious homogeny.
President Lyndon B. Johnson was correct when he said:
That was 60 years ago. It hasn't changed. The rich and the political elite like it this way.
Yeah, I know, and it's sad (but not surprising) that it's still true. I should read up about the larger context of that quote.
I personally believe with zero background knowledge that we're just not evolved enough to have empathy beyond our physical sphere of influence. Like as an aggregate, unless we personal interact with another human, we seem to have no problem vilifying them. We seem to even be able to hate ppl who look exactly like us too, lol. Civil wars are so ridiculously common in history.
It's like we tend to hate humans who look nothing like us or exactly like us, lol. Everything between that spectrum is acceptable.
Brown people.
That, and the fact that there just aren't as many undocumented immigrants in the US as Trump and his advisors have claimed. So to stoke fear they need to keep the numbers up. Any innocent, law-abiding, legal residents caught up in their net are acceptable collateral damage (in their view).
One can only hope that in 50 years, Trumpism and mass deportations will be a short-lived historical anomaly like McCarthyism and the Red Scare.
I might be naive, but many Republicans are okay with it just because it hasn't affected them yet.
Oh, this guy knew these workers, thought of them as friends? Clearly they were just hiding their criminal lifestyle from him. Not like MY friends. Hey, why are there a bunch of white vans outside their house?
They're OK with it because on the surface level, it's what they want. Any single little bit of inspection and it falls apart, but they get to call them illegals, criminals, etc and talk about how good a job Trump is doing. They get to claim a win over the Libs, and that is the height of what they want from this presidency.
He continued, "It's almost like they're actual people. I mean not actually, but almost, you know?!"
I am sure he will feel better once DoJ shows him photoshopped pictures of his former employees' MS-13 tattoos.
“It’s quite a shock. You get to know these guys, you become their friends—not just an employer but a friend,”
This guy doesn't understand how friendship works. You guys are my friends, and that's why I've voted in someone to ruin your life, because I care about you! But this is mildly inconvenient for me too guys, c'mon think about me.
The real problem is that the MAGA movement doesn't really believe Trump's literal words. Because the man lies so often, they seem to just go on vibes. But then when Trump actually does something he said he'd do, the voters are suddenly all surprised Pikachu when Trump's actions don't match their personal interpretation of what they thought he meant.
This is quite amazing to me since it seems to be the actual case. The people who were saying we shouldn't listen to him, but watch what he does, were openly advocating for a man whose word they know means nothing. It's perplexing. Politicians are an untrustworthy lot one and all, but god damn, the open and naked willingness to vote for someone whose position they can't know, whose promises carry absolutely no weight, that's truly stupendous.
They are at once admitting Trump says horrible shit, but also that he's an inveterate liar and that makes it better somehow. Both him being honest and dishonest should be equally disturbing. That's some next level cognitive dissonance.
He’s a hypocritical pos
"Given what you know now will you vote against trump and the GOP in all races coming up?" - reporter probably
"Absolutely not! The GOP will always have my vote!" - this Roofing company owner probably
im deeply confused as to how this isnt the standard follow-up.. "would you change your vote if you could?" and "will you continue to vote for the party that has these policies in their platform?"
"Well... if they promise that this time it will be different and they will only deport criminals and not the others..."
Actual journalists tend to avoid anything that appears partisan. Their job is to report the news, not to deliver commentary.
And a 20-year campaign by Republicans against mainstream journalists has left them in a position where even straight factual reporting is considered biased by 50% of voters.
I agree that someone should follow up with these people and get them to really consider how their politics are affecting their own daily lives. But that really needs to be dealt with by pundits and talk-show hosts instead of reporters.
right, those actual journalists who are from organizations ejected from the whitehouse and threatened by a fascist takeover of the fcc to lose their licenses for pointing out the king has no clothes.
hows that neutrality workin out for ya, switzerland
kind feels like the story is the zombified population voting against their own best interests and it should be followed up on by everyone with a voice.
this isnt 50 years ago when honesty, decorum, respect existed and the league of women voters ran presidential debates. we are now a non-trivial percent away from no longer being a democracy.
He’s not actually upset about his staff being kidnapped, he’s just upset about his own bank account
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Lessons learned: 0
Party supported in next election: republiQan
Guy is a fucking roofer, and he's voting to kick out all foreigners. What a putz.
I was in roofing for a few years, and believe me, you want a Mexican ( or some other south of the border) crew working on your roof. They are fast, quiet, efficient, and fast. They will get it done, and get it done right.
Only a terrible businessman, and really stupid person would vote for the guy who is expressly saying that he intends to hurt your workers, and your business. "Yep, Im voting for the guy who is promising to ruin my business!"
This guy deserves everything he gets.
Wow that's really fast
Muy speedy
PLEASE be Considerate. He THOUGHT he would be Able to Bully Black Children at his Client's HOMES! He DIDNT expect THIS so be NICE AND RESPECTFUL stupid dumb librul losers!
I hope all these maga trump supporting idiots go bankrupt
i could only hope.
but it's not even close to the amount of punishment they deserve.
they ruined the lives and communities of so many people, and are upset that they hurt them so much they can no longer exploit them.
You had no idea that something like this might happen, huh?
So the world gets to suffer now, because you leaned into and voted for chaos.
Two in the thoughts, one in the prayers, you asshole.
yeah... ya'll really dumb enough to ignore every sign this was going to happen. Thing is, you were always racist. You're just upset that your wealth is at risk from voting in a psychopath that doesnt care about anybody but himself.
OH NO
anyway
Edit: Just realized this could be misunderstood. The above sarcasm was in the "fuck you, leopards at your face because you and others voted for leopards who eat faces" kind of way.
Won't someone please think of the business owners!? These are actual businesses being impacted by this shit. :(
Small businesses don't count, we only care about large multinational conglomerates!
I think a tinier violin is needed in this case?
Figures the tardigrade would prefer a cello.
That is a cello. It's just that the microscopic cello shop has a poor selection so it had to opt for a too small cello
🤣 like a child when they get caught, they only care when it affects them.
Now he can hire American workers, right?
What do you mean that American workers don't want to work for less than minimum wage and no benefits?
No one wants to work anymore!
While being arrested, right? Because they arrested the business owner who broke the law several times, right?
"I didn't vote for this"
Vincent is another MAGA POS, zero sympathy. Hopefully this asswipe ends up on a roof with 30 C + temperatures.
Making Americans Humble Again
He's got an Italian sounding name himself. DEPORT
They should ask these people the real question: "Will you now start listening to the people who have been warning others of Trump?"
Schadenfreude 😈
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When you meet a person like this, it's tempting and easy to insult them, but that is not the way forward. They will only double down...
They need non judgemental discussions, to make them start exercise their brain for real.
For people like this? About the only way I care if they exercise their brain is if it's plastered on the wall behind them. I, and a lot of others, are far past the point of "kumbaya, let's all be friends and forgive". They've taken more than they can ever repair and I wish for nothing but the worst for them for as long as they are alive. If they decide to be informed or not is immaterial. Their feefees mean jack and shit.
What keeps you from doing that yourself?
Back at ya.
I'm pretty certain I wouldn't be allowed in the country, but what I have done is boycotted american goods.
What keeps you from doing that yourself?
Whether intentional or not they voted to inflict this pain on others, to destroy the lives of hardworking innocent immigrants and to usher in a police state. They need to come to terms with that and sincerely abandon the platform before any forgiveness or healing can happen
Yes, and I'm sure that you are able to do that without insults and sounding judgemental.
Frankly I dont see a reason to handle them with kid gloves. They are responsible for a lot of suffering and the only chance they have at receiving basic respect from me personally is through acknowledging that.
Otherwise I do judge them for supporting fascism absolutely. I boycott their business. I refuse to associate with them in my personal life at all.
As my hometown is torn apart by ice today I loudly hope that the maga supporters feel the pain of their policies firsthand and I will not make excuses or apologies for that.
I dont know why you're obsessed with the feelings of fascists and not with the harm they cause.
Maybe you should practice what you preach
The problem I see is that I can think of 3 paths forward when 30-40% of the population thinks this way:
we can eliminate them from the population through violence, deportation, jail, whatever. That's the same sort of genocidal behavior we're objecting to from them, and is a nonstarter
we can override their votes, and work hard for generations to keep them suppressed. While more humane than 1, this likely isn't feasible, and is likely to radicalize them
we turn them. Convince them that they were wrong, and bring them around to our way of thinking. This is hard work, but it's the only stable and humane option I can think of.
So yes, much as it may suck, anything that brings about option 3 is the best action I can see. Including treating MAGA far better than they treat us.
In my experience it is impossible to change their minds through conversation. If at all possible it will take longer than is necessary for them to seize total control of the remaining institutions and perpetuate genocide.
These people do not listen to reason, every rational argument you may make that holds a mirror up and forces introspection will likely cause them to double Down - no matter how politely you do it. I do my part to plant the seed of doubt in them and walk away where possible but someone or something else has to water it. It is not a viable strategy when they are cheering and refeuling the orphan grinder for another go.
I believe we have to do all three to certain degrees. We certainly will not slaughter them or deport them en masse but we do need to physically resist - fight them when they attempt to enact their policies. These policies lead (and are leading right now) to 'final solutions'. It is truly a matter of life and death for many. This is not overly dramatic trumps lackeys are openly using the military to invade States and enact his plans for 'remigration'. He also openly plans to open an office of remigration to oversee his final solution.
This is a war they have started and it is our moral imperative to resist them by any means necessary. If we had resisted them physically back in the 2010s public punch a Nazi debate we'd be in a much better place today. It worked wonders for Richard Spencer, it would have worked for maga also but the mainstream successfully legitimized the right wing extremists and distanced them from their platform and supporters.
We are not responsible for their radicalization full stop. They are radicalizing themselves and being radicalized by others like them. They get there largely by mischaracterizations of situations and actions. They create an environment where they never need to admit fault or guilt or perform that u.comfortable work of bettering yourself and others. They create a world of delusions and wrap it tightly over their ears and eyes and anything you say that breaks through it reinforces that you are the enemy because you brought that fear to the surface. They will blame peaceful nonviolent resistors when the police kill them. They will dig up any little remark that may discredit the victim and if they do not find one they will invent one. They will label you a criminal for any reason if it assuages their guilt. we may as well earn it because it is going to happen.
We must show them our beliefs are strong and that we are confident in them by overwhelming them in public spaces. Every counter protest, every public event, every political race they should be provided an opportunity to look in that mirror and see what they've become. This is far more feasible and impactful then changing their minds in my opinion and it resists their final solutions from being given a platform. Yes they will claim any number of extraordinary things about the reason for their unpopularity but they will and have continued to do that from the start. Anti white, blood libel, enemy within etc, they will label outsiders regardless of their actions. You who want to convince them peacefully are also included.
For 3 maybe setting up a support group for those few nazis that got their seeds watered by experiencing their own policies firsthand and came to the realization that they are the baddies would suffice. The ones who sadly needed to get what they wished for before realizing how harmful it is will be the majority of your clients but maybe you can set up some 12 step program. It will likely be called a cult or criminal organization and raided so you may want to stay friendly with the people organizing around options one and two who can help you resist now that the fash are in power.
It takes a diversity of tactics is what im trying to say. We all need to resist them and invest resources in supporting their victims, and sure while picking up lost sheep along the way. We no longer have the luxury of waxing poetic at them while they kidnap kids who are citizens to lure their undocumented parents out of their homes.
Other than the reason I wrote? This advise is not only for facists; but everybody trying to avoid cognitive dissonance.
I mean they're talking to you nicely and you won't change your mind. So why does it fucking matter how nicely they engage these hateful imbeciles? It's a waste of time.
Because I haven't heard logic, they have never tricked me into a corner where I would have to admit to myself "I supported evil", "I was tricked" or "am I a hypocrite". But if you are good enough at arguing, you could change my mind.
Unfortunately, this isn't how it usually goes, and few people are good enough at that to convince somebody. Most arguments end with neither side convincing the other of anything important. Humans are emotional creatures, and feelings often are justified into "facts" even long after they've been outright proven false.
People have tried this with Republicans for at least the past 20 years, and look at where we are now. All it did was allow the racists to couch their open bigotry behind the lie of "it's just a joke," and respond to any real pushback against their hate with "so much for the tolerant left."
They're a cult, and there's one depressing fact about cults: the deeper in someone is, the harder it is to pull them out - and after a certain point, it's almost impossible. There's a sunk cost fallacy to their beliefs that becomes harder and harder to shake because to admit that they're wrong would be to admit that their actions aren't justified and their core beliefs are bad.
They will double down regardless of how I disagree with them. Nobody can force them to see the error of their ways through conversation. Sadly jt must be a reckoning. Im all for being there to pick up the pieces once they have the realization, but I believe words are not enough to bring that about in most cases.
So you won't converse with them, and it seems like you don't want to be involved with the reckoning, but is ready for when the difficult part is over. Did I understand that correctly?
You did not.
9 times out of 10 there is no rehabilitation for these people. Focus your time and energy on more fruitful endeavors.
Better to keep typing "magtard" at people, I guess...
Lol. What next? Showing empathy for ICE agents who go above and beyond to torture foreigners?
Yes, not insulting people certainly can be a slippery slope...
And not sounding judgemental while making them come to terms with their stupidity, can be hard.
Lol. Who talked about insulting anyone? You're the only one insulting them by calling them stupid. I talked about empathy.
And it doesn't sound like any of these people "come to term with their stupidity". If they did and recognized their mistakes, I would show empathy and maybe even sympathy.
...Yes... A comment about insulting and coming of as judgemental, that you replied to.
They are not stupid. They are hiding their nazis thoughts but it shows when they vote. We should prevent them from voting though.
When I was 19 with a lower standard I had a racist girlfriend, whom was a former neo nazi (with multiple swastika tattoos). She had abandoned the nazi stuff before I met her, but she was still racist.
I changed her mind though. She was stupid for believing the evil was justified when it's against "the bad people"; she got smarter.
You're right, and I hope the people near this guy do that - just like I hope we all, if we confront this situation, act like human beings with empathy, to be better than them.
For this, though, on the internet where this guy will never see it, some schadenfreude is totally in order.
In person sure. It's essential for persuasion. But here let me just enjoy watching assholes get own goals.
Yes, that's exactly why I wrote "when you meet".
I share your view. I hold back my desire for schadenfreude by realising that the greatest punishment would be if they grew to understand the harms of their actions and views. Empathy can hurt like a bitch
Fuck them let them double down. Fucker’s will eat shit so we would have to smell it. Let it fucking burn.
That's fine. Have you joined in on the burning?