Yeah. This kinda stuff might help sway some people but for the fascists drafting these bills, this is not a contradiction. The bathroom they want trans people to use is none. They want trans people to not exist.
We talk often of the jews, but lgbt+ people, rom and Slavic people were also in the same troubles.
Talking about Trump and how much is in search of appreciation, I would love to show him what's books from the future will tell about him. The 00's American Hitler (well, until this point he will be probably prod), which all the people hates the most and which everybody will try to do not be associated.
I think bathrooms are such a common issue with bigotry because shitting is a vulnerable state where in nature makes us vulnerable to tooth and claw type predators. Therefore it's a psychological shortcut to appeal to danger and panic.
Forgive me for making an evolutionary psych argument, but I feel comfortable that I'm not overreaching.
I know this is the least bad part of the story, but it stuck out anyway:
After a lengthy drive to the bar, Strobel said he stepped inside to use the men’s room. However, there were no stalls—only urinals, rendering it inaccessible to him as a trans man.
Precisely where are men supposed to shit in this establishment?
Thats only their current public agenda. Trans people not existing at all is their end goal though, and every step on that path they will keep going further until there are death camps
They dont care what bathroom a person uses. It's not about the restroom ... it's about legal harassment.
Also ... what the fuck are people doing to get gender checked and arrested? There is no law about obeying the gender sign (at least not in my state or any state I have been in). Is walking into the wrong bathroom a crime or something?
The bar owner harassed them personally. They charged them with trespassing and public intoxication, despite the fact they consumed no alcohol and were not breathalyzed.
Fuck these corrupt police, and fuck that bar owner.
It has increasing been made a crime in various states to various degrees. See the woman who was arrested in the Florida statehouse and the college bathroom ban in Ohio.
At work they put in a bunch of these during a renovation a few years ago. Only problem is we hit hard times and didn't renovate more bathrooms so these are far away. I make the trek over to them when I need to poop though. So much nicer than the men's room.
If they changed building code so all new buildings did that it would solve the issue. but my solution won't change existing infrastructure. Its just a sign change.
Exactly! That's why elevators, train-cars, busses and airplanes are always segregated by sex.
Being serious for a moment I just want to point out the irony in using the threat of male violence as an excuse to uphold patriarchy rather than a rational for dismantling it.
To be fair, gender neutral bathrooms do give a predator opportunity to follow a woman into a bathroom without sending immediate red flags. It's a hard pass from me.
I suspect it is because as other commentors mention is this poses risks for Trans people outing themselves. I see gender neutral bathrooms regularly at events and not just 1 stall either. So I hardly consider this a controversial take especially when the existing rules lead to jail time if you follow or dont follow it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot of a bar owner doesn't even realize trans men exist and assumed this dude was amab and female identifying or something.
I’m pretty sure that recent UK Supreme Court case ended up making it illegal for trans men to use any public restroom. My understanding is that it forces trans women to use the men’s but has a carve out saying that trans men can’t use the women’s.
Every British terf needs to be abducted and forcibly given testosterone. Let them learn get a taste of their own medicine and be excluded from women's spaces.
'Lady' implies a feminine gender of a high social or economical standing. As gender and sex aren't the same, no, that's incorrect. A more accurate description would be 'man'
Once again, the point is to harass trans people out of public life altogether.
This isn’t about logic or fear, it’s hate and domineering. They’re nazis. No excuses.
Yeah. This kinda stuff might help sway some people but for the fascists drafting these bills, this is not a contradiction. The bathroom they want trans people to use is none. They want trans people to not exist.
Trans people are the 2025 jews.
The original Nazis came for the trans folks before the Jews.
It's fucking disgusting how similar it is and how few people see it
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/
True.
We talk often of the jews, but lgbt+ people, rom and Slavic people were also in the same troubles.
Talking about Trump and how much is in search of appreciation, I would love to show him what's books from the future will tell about him. The 00's American Hitler (well, until this point he will be probably prod), which all the people hates the most and which everybody will try to do not be associated.
And The Disabled! They were first of all groups IIRC.
And TERFs/alt right conservatives are working to cover up/deny this.
I saw someone say that the Nazis invented the transvestite passes. That Nazis invented being trans.
first it was intellectuals, but they fled, then its lgbtq+ then the jews at the final stage.
I think bathrooms are such a common issue with bigotry because shitting is a vulnerable state where in nature makes us vulnerable to tooth and claw type predators. Therefore it's a psychological shortcut to appeal to danger and panic.
Forgive me for making an evolutionary psych argument, but I feel comfortable that I'm not overreaching.
I heard it's why dogs often stare at you while they poop. They're like "You got my back, right?"
So do cats stare me when im pooping
Cats want to let you know they know.
Anti-trans lawmakers want to force trans men to use the women's restroom. Here’s what happened when one did.
I know this is the least bad part of the story, but it stuck out anyway:
Precisely where are men supposed to shit in this establishment?
That's what sinks are for
No shit.
On the manager's desk would be ideal if you can get away with it
Real men dont wipe their booty 🕳️, so they just #2 in the garbage can
Plenty of trans guys have stand-to-pee devices.
But where do they shit?
Thanks, much better than a meme.
They really need to get bathrooms out of their gross heads.
Don't expect any logic from regressives. What they want is not for trans people to use a specific bathroom. They want all trans people dead.
having talked to some, they seem to want trans people detransitioned. Which is somehow more disgusting.
Thats only their current public agenda. Trans people not existing at all is their end goal though, and every step on that path they will keep going further until there are death camps
Trans death camps are not something I can envision in today's political climate, but if the west tilts irreversibly into fascism it's quite possible.
So that's slightly better than wanting them dead I guess
Its really worse actually.
It's effectively the same, but a slower more painful death.
At least it gives time to fight for their rights, once they're dead it's over
They dont care what bathroom a person uses. It's not about the restroom ... it's about legal harassment.
Also ... what the fuck are people doing to get gender checked and arrested? There is no law about obeying the gender sign (at least not in my state or any state I have been in). Is walking into the wrong bathroom a crime or something?
The bar owner harassed them personally. They charged them with trespassing and public intoxication, despite the fact they consumed no alcohol and were not breathalyzed.
Fuck these corrupt police, and fuck that bar owner.
Hopefully when MAGA falls out of fashion in 3.5 years there is still enough time for lawsuits and punishment.
good luck with that one.
Fascism doesn't fall out of fashion
It has increasing been made a crime in various states to various degrees. See the woman who was arrested in the Florida statehouse and the college bathroom ban in Ohio.
Dystopian. That's fucked.
This is dumb as f.
Just make all male bathrooms gender neutral. Bam crisis averted.
At work they put in a bunch of these during a renovation a few years ago. Only problem is we hit hard times and didn't renovate more bathrooms so these are far away. I make the trek over to them when I need to poop though. So much nicer than the men's room.
If they changed building code so all new buildings did that it would solve the issue. but my solution won't change existing infrastructure. Its just a sign change.
It's not dumb. It's exactly what they want: to remove trans people from public spaces entirely.
I would consider arbitrary rules that are intentionally impossible to follow based on hate is very very dumb.
Yeah that works, but often male toilets currently only have one stall. Would need to shift that balance for this to be an effective strategy.
Or north Carolina where no stalls in bars. I guess men dont poop.
Do you want drunk people shitting in the urinal? Because this is* how you get drunk people shitting in the urinal!
Woman don't want to be stuck in a small space with strange men.
Exactly! That's why elevators, train-cars, busses and airplanes are always segregated by sex.
Being serious for a moment I just want to point out the irony in using the threat of male violence as an excuse to uphold patriarchy rather than a rational for dismantling it.
To be fair, gender neutral bathrooms do give a predator opportunity to follow a woman into a bathroom without sending immediate red flags. It's a hard pass from me.
Speaking from experience, unfortunately.
what's the difference? Gender is a social construct.
That's why they said "all male bathrooms" and not "all bathrooms"
Yup Thats my point. Keep women bathroom as is. Open up the "biological male" bathrooms to everyone.
Yeah not sure why you're being downvoted, I think people just assume you're the person I replied to originally and just downvote without reading.
I Don't see downvotes lol.
I suspect it is because as other commentors mention is this poses risks for Trans people outing themselves. I see gender neutral bathrooms regularly at events and not just 1 stall either. So I hardly consider this a controversial take especially when the existing rules lead to jail time if you follow or dont follow it.
That doesn't mean they're not there
Lol yeah Best part of not reddit.
But the comments let me know im being very controversial apparently.
They're obsessed with trans women.
That trans men also exist breaks them.
This would never have happened had a trans woman entered the men's.
I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot of a bar owner doesn't even realize trans men exist and assumed this dude was amab and female identifying or something.
Republican laws working as Republicans intend.
Cruelty and oppression was always the point.
We all knew this would happen.
None of this would happen if we just did it in public. Just saying. /s
Oh, no, not falling for this one again. I just got off the list.
This has always been the point.
It has never been about which restroom trans people use, it was always been about being able to harass and vilify trans people.
The right doesn't want to just enforce gender binary, they want to erase anything and anyone that falls outside it.
The hate is always their point
They (person in photo) can grow better facial hair than me. Fuck me man
He*
SO TMEN DO EXIST, HUH
It’s like their weird concept of immigrants that are simultaneously lazy non-contributors and taking our jerbs.
I’m pretty sure that recent UK Supreme Court case ended up making it illegal for trans men to use any public restroom. My understanding is that it forces trans women to use the men’s but has a carve out saying that trans men can’t use the women’s.
Can you provide a source? I'm curious to read more.
The whole situation is a dehumanizing mess.
People forget trans men exist. We’re invisible. Fuck that judge, we know what pronoun the source is replacing.
Every British terf needs to be abducted and forcibly given testosterone. Let them learn get a taste of their own medicine and be excluded from women's spaces.
American freedom is about getting arrested when peeing in the wrong public bathroom.
Not sure why you are getting down voted. I had friends faced with very uncomfortable choices if they were unable to get home at time.
I agree, we should all be using squat toilets. These newfangled high-seat toilets are bad for our posture.
define 'their biology'
Too dumb to understand, got it.
The audacity of the Fucking piece of shit above me.
Go fuck yourself
Better yet, get off of Lemmy, this isn't a place for this transphobe shit.
'Lady' implies a feminine gender of a high social or economical standing. As gender and sex aren't the same, no, that's incorrect. A more accurate description would be 'man'
Oh no, spoOOooOooky!
I think they're just an asshole though.