Element already has desktop streaming as an experimental feature. Worked fine last i tested it. Currently planning how to trick my social circle into using it.
I also want to go check out the new TeamSpeak, it's supposed to be a decent Discord alternative - Even though Discord originally replaced it.
Discord was really good in the first couple years. Way better than the alternatives in almost everything except sound quality.
And getting virusses wasn't as easy as it was on TeamSpeak3 back then.
I have been using Discord since the beginning in 2015 and back then I got people to Discord because it was cheap and offered more features.
Currently the only way I convince people to swtich from Discord (or from Whatsapp) is either if they are privacy focussed or the alternative is way more convient or cheaper.
Element has audio issues on Linux? Didn't notice it when I tested whether Matrix had what I needed (a month past). I'll see if it screws up if I try again now.
That's weird. I just tested it with a friend (I'm on Endeavour, she's on Win11, the server is VPS with Debian running the newest Synapse and Element-web). Audio works fine both ways with no mic config required, streaming is a little laggy when viewing the screen and stream next to each other, but that's all.
EDIT: No, you're right. Audio within streams seem to fail. I remember Discord having the same problem (hence why I use Vesktop), but if Windows also suffers this shortcoming? I'm pretty sure I remember it working a month ago, so there should be a bug report in Synapse (or element).
When you use the Discord app, you use a browser - Chromium specifically: Discord is an electro app.
In other word, if you already run a browser that burns hundreds of megabytes of RAM, disk, and requires tons of CPU do display simplistic things, as browsers do, you might as well use it to access Discord instead of running a second insanely wasteful browser disguised as a native app.
Recently, while it was "out of date" and refusing to run but not yet updated in the Arch repo, I started wondering why I don't just use the website. I now use the website.
When I do, audio slowly shifts to one ear only, perhaps over 20m. Then I have to leave the channel and come back to reset it. This does not happen anywhere else, and also doesn’t happen on the desktop app, so I have to use that.
Everything? It's hard to describe, but anytime I want to do anything, it just seems like the menu is in the wrong spot, or I have to jump through hoops to do what needs to get done.
That would be from the 8 redesigns they've done in the past year or so. Not going to praise the dumpster fire, but intuitiveness has not been an issue for most of discords common uses. If you were incessantly messing with settings of a server though, that'd track.
Oh, this is day one, I have loaded it up like once in the last year. I'm not the only one who says it either. Back in the day on reddit, I'd post about it and would always have tons of people agree.
I can deal with Gimp and all kinds of alt versions of popular software all day long with minimal hassle learning new UI. Discord, for being the most popular software of its platform, for some reason, just doesn't click for me. Why ventrillo didn't keep the crown amazes me.
I'll just go back to being the old man yelling at the clouds.
I fail to see Discord as anything other than IRC with too many emojis and primary colors for the short of attention span, implemented as a humongous pile of Web 2.0 nonsense, with Big Data surveillance built in.
Privacy and resource comsumption issues notwithstanding, the few times I've had to use it to connect with people in certain communities that could basically only be found on Discord, it was unbearable to this gen-Xer: it's just as fast and as shallow as IRC, but somehow I feel the extra symbolic and color overload would have triggered a seizure if I was epileptic. It's maddering.
My understanding is that the core appeal is that they provide free private VoIP service, which was something that a lot of people wanted for multiplayer games.
I don't use that, and like you, I have not been very impressed with their chat stuff.
I've never really seen that much color on it, but I use dark mode so its basically just dark gray and white font, we transitioned from slack a few years ago when I joined a community for drone stuff but over time people stopped flying drones and played games more
Yes. I can confirm, it works even on Gentoo. But I stick to the Flatpak version, anyway, because there I was able to tell it to use Xwayland instead of wayland directly (through Flatseal).
It seems the wayland support isn't great yet and it tries to grab keys combination that are reserved for my window manager (Gnome). In the flatpak sandbox I don't have any issues.
Only game running game detection will not work in the sandbox.
Or is there even a setting to tell it, using the X11 backend so that the keybind issues for the native version go away?
Yep. I didn't realize the flatpak version worked better. I never get those manual update prompts anymore and Software Center automatically updates Discord when there are updates.
I actually use the Vesktop Flatpak. It's got working screen sharing with audio on Wayland (not sure if the official client has implemented that yet) and it has Vencord preinstalled for plugins and themes.
It is so annoying when communities really want to have a discord. Particularly when they are somewhat technical and so any solutions that they might have are not search able.
The flatpak has (had?) Issues of not being able to stream application or desktop audio. The system package can and is way more up to date.
Flatpak is not the solution to everything lol
That's a wayland specific issue and I believe the Flatpack version was right behind the version that finally fixed that about 3 months ago. It should have the good version finally but I won't bother to check.
I believe the audio streaming issue on flatpak is resolved as of a month or two ago. But I’m typically with you, system packages for the most up to date experience in most cases.
Speaking of which, are there any decent FOSS alternatives? Discord got banned in my homecountry and forcing it through VPN or proxy is a total pain in the ass. Forced my friends to move to TS as that's what we used back in the day... like a decade ago, but maybe there's something modern and more open nowadays?
from what i know either Matrix or Revolt
Revolt is more closer to discord but Matrix is better cause it has ee2e, you can host your own server and my favorite feature Clients
no, but afaik you can join ts3 servers on ts6, also tgey have a linux client. but im currently unsure if i installed it via pacman or AUR, but you can download a binary from their website
There was a post recently on c/privacy for a self hostable (relaying) peer-to-peer web based option! Its effectively release 1.0 and has some bugs (some serious security ones at the moment), but I think it has lots of promise!!
Discord has a group chat feature and drag doesn't really use it. It's not what drag wants. Drag wants rooms with many chats inside. Permissions, topics, threads. A sorted hierarchy of chats with a sense of place.
Was going to say. I've been lucky. My only experience with Discord has been sudo pacman -S discord. I barely use it, but I have some friends I keep in touch with on it.
Since the latest big discord update I had issues with Vesktop, other people could only watch my streams if they were in it when I started streaming and even then it usually would break after a few minutes. But I might try it again in the next few days to see if it got fixed
Edit: I quickly checked the GitHub repo and the latest release was 2 months ago so probably not :(
Does the same on windows. Either they're constantly changing some really deep stuff that we don't see or notice, or it's not actually updating just "checking" for updates or loading but it's just slow AF.
Nah, this isn't the launcher doing checks and applying patches, I mean like I gotta download a new .deb (basically .exe) file with an incremental difference in the version number and unpack it over the old install.
Ridiculously frequently. Like, once a week at the very least.
I can't stand that I can't close discord until I have touched that stupid dropdown, to the point I have uninstalled discord and just use a matrix bridge or the browser version.
I use Vesktop, it has a flatpak release and flatpak auto-updates it for me. Also it includes Vencord, so I can add as many plugins and custom themes I want.
Even screen share is fixed in wayland now! I believe that the flatpak version was on the cusp of supporting it too so it might already. I kinda stopped caring about it when everything worked, which is certainly a good sign.
I started using Discord in 2015 and around 2019 uninstalled it in favor of using it exclusively through a web browser (blocking as much of it's nonsense as possible). Discord takes too many resources hostage if anyone in your server is streaming something, even if you're not watching it. I don't have that issue when using Element (Matrix), Jitsi or any of Steam's broadcasting tools. The only reason I haven't deleted my Discord account yet is because some people I hold dear are incapable of trying something better nowadays (even when they already have it installed as is the case of Steam).
I wrote a small bash script to curl the latest .deb, install it, and delete it because i was having this problem too. shame it can't just auto-update or let me use the old version
On my aging laptop, the Discord app consumed RAM like Goku at an all-you-can-eat buffet. Moving back to a browser tab eliminated the overhead from Electron and was dramatically more performant as a result. This completely side-steps any upgrade and/or snap issues.
That's mint tho. I've used it off and on for more than a decade myself and I'm still scared of other distros.
It really is baby's first distro. Easy mode for someone coming from windows. And I love it for that. I really do. But im not a programmer. I would be lost as a mfer with some distros.
I think that's often the case for anyone that has spent enough time using Linux. After 20 years, I just can't be bothered with needing to be all that proactive in managing any distro. I just want to use the bloody stupid box. I'm enjoying using Aurora right now. Atomic distros require even less effort from me.
Yknow what this reminds me of? Chefs and how at work they make these masterpieces while at home they're making like grilled cheese and slightly fancy ramen. Its great.
Ran into that as well. Just use "repair vesktop" option from the right click menu on the icon when it's running. That fixes it. You'll stay logged in etc.
I've had this issue too. I'm at work rn so I can't provide an exact process. But on KDE I right click on Vesktop on the task bar and there is a "fix Vesktop" option that resolved it for me.
Browser. website. basically the same experience without weird and/or shit integration into anything, share resources with the browser that's open anyway, works fine, and allow easy customization because it's a webpage anyway and you get to mess with the CSS/HTML/JS if you want to.
That repo always seems to lag quite a bit behind official releases. Multiple times on arch I’ve edited config files to have it lie about its version number to get it to keep working.
It's a way of controlling the software .... it would be a lot more difficult to make changes, even change settings or adjusting the software from time to time if it's constantly being updated every week.
I noticed this with Chrome ... a few years ago, there were lots of settings, hacks and changes and adjustments you could make to the browser to avoid tracking, advertising and all sorts of other things and to generally make it run faster. All that activity is lost now because Chrome literally updates itself every week.
I run Linux and my software doesn't update it self that much ... the only thing that updates itself every week is Chrome .... the entire package about 50-60MB every time, wipes itself and reinstalls a new version every time ... so any changes you had made to the software or any attempt at adjusting anything in the deep software is all lost and reset over and over again.
I haven’t used it on Linux, but on Windows I need to fight it to understand my headset, every freaking time the computer has been rebooted. Any other program just gets it. I feel like OP’s photo
I think it's about how Discord sends their updates, not sure tho.
If you want to install the desktop version of Discord I'd advice to install the flatpak. And if you don't want to install it system-wide you can install it on one user only. That's what I do anyway.
I think there is some way to actually bypass the forced update, i don't recall the specifics but it had something to do with some discord settings.json
I'm going to link this thread the next time someone screeches at me for using windows. The responses in here are so diverse and some of them are just perfection.
In all honesty I just use the browser now as that's been the best experience with Discord for me.
Yup this. Tho if matrix gets desktop streaming I'm gone.
Element already has desktop streaming as an experimental feature. Worked fine last i tested it. Currently planning how to trick my social circle into using it.
I also want to go check out the new TeamSpeak, it's supposed to be a decent Discord alternative - Even though Discord originally replaced it.
That's great news. Well now discord rewards users for viewing ads, it's looking like time to leave soon.
I fucking hate discord. Hope they ruin it.
Discord was really good in the first couple years. Way better than the alternatives in almost everything except sound quality. And getting virusses wasn't as easy as it was on TeamSpeak3 back then.
Thats the thing...there's no way ill convince people to get off discord now that they just got comfortable with it all.
Fr, I have tried but unfortunately my friends are mostly normal people
Yeah exactly or they just say we are trying to be superior and annoying tech autists xD
I have been using Discord since the beginning in 2015 and back then I got people to Discord because it was cheap and offered more features. Currently the only way I convince people to swtich from Discord (or from Whatsapp) is either if they are privacy focussed or the alternative is way more convient or cheaper.
How did you solve the audio issue with element for Linux?
Element has audio issues on Linux? Didn't notice it when I tested whether Matrix had what I needed (a month past). I'll see if it screws up if I try again now.
Audio doesn’t seem to stream over Element regardless of operating system, I’m on Debian 12 and my buddies are on Windows, neither stream audio.
Also Mobile devices lack streaming out-right.
That's weird. I just tested it with a friend (I'm on Endeavour, she's on Win11, the server is VPS with Debian running the newest Synapse and Element-web). Audio works fine both ways with no mic config required, streaming is a little laggy when viewing the screen and stream next to each other, but that's all.
EDIT: No, you're right. Audio within streams seem to fail. I remember Discord having the same problem (hence why I use Vesktop), but if Windows also suffers this shortcoming? I'm pretty sure I remember it working a month ago, so there should be a bug report in Synapse (or element).
This has been an issue for over 4 years. not sure why it seems to be neglected by the maintainers/contributors.
Edit: Maybe it was patched? I don’t have the time at the moment to dive deep into this topic, will try to get back to this later today.
Edit 2: briefly looking around seems like this persisted in 2023
get fluffychat :)
When you use the Discord app, you use a browser - Chromium specifically: Discord is an electro app.
In other word, if you already run a browser that burns hundreds of megabytes of RAM, disk, and requires tons of CPU do display simplistic things, as browsers do, you might as well use it to access Discord instead of running a second insanely wasteful browser disguised as a native app.
Vesktop
Discord has become really annoying to use with all the ads. I confine it to my browser because I don’t trust it.
With that said, I used to run Flatpak version and it never had this issue.
Oh shit I forgot that was an option lmao. Deleting the app once I get home lol
Same! Never have to worry about updates anymore its great!
Recently, while it was "out of date" and refusing to run but not yet updated in the Arch repo, I started wondering why I don't just use the website. I now use the website.
Third party apps are way better than the native client
When I do, audio slowly shifts to one ear only, perhaps over 20m. Then I have to leave the channel and come back to reset it. This does not happen anywhere else, and also doesn’t happen on the desktop app, so I have to use that.
My experience with Discord, period:
Thank God im not the only one. I feel like I'm going crazy when all my friends do nothing but worship discord.
Not at all. I loathe discord with a passion. I can't understand how such a unintuitive piece of software gained such mainstream acceptance.
What do you find unintuitive? Of all the complaints I personally never found it unintuitive to use.
Everything? It's hard to describe, but anytime I want to do anything, it just seems like the menu is in the wrong spot, or I have to jump through hoops to do what needs to get done.
That would be from the 8 redesigns they've done in the past year or so. Not going to praise the dumpster fire, but intuitiveness has not been an issue for most of discords common uses. If you were incessantly messing with settings of a server though, that'd track.
Oh, this is day one, I have loaded it up like once in the last year. I'm not the only one who says it either. Back in the day on reddit, I'd post about it and would always have tons of people agree.
I can deal with Gimp and all kinds of alt versions of popular software all day long with minimal hassle learning new UI. Discord, for being the most popular software of its platform, for some reason, just doesn't click for me. Why ventrillo didn't keep the crown amazes me.
I'll just go back to being the old man yelling at the clouds.
I fail to see Discord as anything other than IRC with too many emojis and primary colors for the short of attention span, implemented as a humongous pile of Web 2.0 nonsense, with Big Data surveillance built in.
Privacy and resource comsumption issues notwithstanding, the few times I've had to use it to connect with people in certain communities that could basically only be found on Discord, it was unbearable to this gen-Xer: it's just as fast and as shallow as IRC, but somehow I feel the extra symbolic and color overload would have triggered a seizure if I was epileptic. It's maddering.
Oh well, maybe I'm old.
My understanding is that the core appeal is that they provide free private VoIP service, which was something that a lot of people wanted for multiplayer games.
I don't use that, and like you, I have not been very impressed with their chat stuff.
I've never really seen that much color on it, but I use dark mode so its basically just dark gray and white font, we transitioned from slack a few years ago when I joined a community for drone stuff but over time people stopped flying drones and played games more
That's why I use third party apps
~/.config/discord/settings.json
"SKIP_HOST_UPDATE": true,Ooohh a useful response.
Wait seriously? Does this stop it from forcing me to update it when an update is available but it's not in my package manager yet?
Yes. I can confirm, it works even on Gentoo. But I stick to the Flatpak version, anyway, because there I was able to tell it to use Xwayland instead of wayland directly (through Flatseal).
It seems the wayland support isn't great yet and it tries to grab keys combination that are reserved for my window manager (Gnome). In the flatpak sandbox I don't have any issues.
Only game running game detection will not work in the sandbox.
Or is there even a setting to tell it, using the X11 backend so that the keybind issues for the native version go away?
I mean there is always the flatpak version
I must be getting old.
Yep. I didn't realize the flatpak version worked better. I never get those manual update prompts anymore and Software Center automatically updates Discord when there are updates.
Came here to say this. I was dealing with constant required .deb downloads and switched to flatpak. All the noise stopped.
I actually use the Vesktop Flatpak. It's got working screen sharing with audio on Wayland (not sure if the official client has implemented that yet) and it has Vencord preinstalled for plugins and themes.
Use the Flatpak or better yet stop using Discord.
It is so annoying when communities really want to have a discord. Particularly when they are somewhat technical and so any solutions that they might have are not search able.
And
Something seems fishy.
The flatpak has (had?) Issues of not being able to stream application or desktop audio. The system package can and is way more up to date.
Flatpak is not the solution to everything lol
That's a wayland specific issue and I believe the Flatpack version was right behind the version that finally fixed that about 3 months ago. It should have the good version finally but I won't bother to check.
Im not using wayland lol
Too many issues in linux mint (cinnamon) last time i tried :')
I believe the audio streaming issue on flatpak is resolved as of a month or two ago. But I’m typically with you, system packages for the most up to date experience in most cases.
Using the flatpak version on Fedora. That issue seems to be recently solved not sure when exactly just tried it the other day and it worked!
Thats good to hear. Might have to switch back to the flatpack then!
I never said it was. The Discord Flatpak always worked for me. Not saying it didn't for you, it just hasn't been my experience.
Flatpaks are a really bad idea.
Because?
If you really need to use discord, use the flatpak version or better yet, use Vesktop.
This. Use Vesktop. Expand the features of Discord while outright blocking the shit.
Or better yet, host your own TeamSpeak server.
Speaking of which, are there any decent FOSS alternatives? Discord got banned in my homecountry and forcing it through VPN or proxy is a total pain in the ass. Forced my friends to move to TS as that's what we used back in the day... like a decade ago, but maybe there's something modern and more open nowadays?
Teamspeak doesn't even have a fraction of Discord's features. It's a bad alternative.
from what i know either Matrix or Revolt
Revolt is more closer to discord but Matrix is better cause it has ee2e, you can host your own server and my favorite feature Clients
Are you looking for something like mumble?
Yeah, voice chat is all we need.
Get yourself a cheap root server, install murmur and never look back.
teamspeak 6 (beta) is pretty nice.
Sick! Are you running a Linux client? Last I checked the self-hosted V6 server binary hadn't released, if it's finally out I'll drop a brick!!
no, but afaik you can join ts3 servers on ts6, also tgey have a linux client. but im currently unsure if i installed it via pacman or AUR, but you can download a binary from their website
Nah, still no v6 server. At least, not on their main download page 🥲
There was a post recently on c/privacy for a self hostable (relaying) peer-to-peer web based option! Its effectively release 1.0 and has some bugs (some serious security ones at the moment), but I think it has lots of promise!!
I'll go grab the link for the post I saw...
https://lemmy.world/post/30477112
🙂
Peersuite
Discord is trash software. Always has been.
Are there better alternatives you don't have to self host?
Here is the only overview you'll ever need
It's missing a field for multi-chat rooms.
Isn't that just group chats? Or what do you mean with multi chat rooms?
Discord has a group chat feature and drag doesn't really use it. It's not what drag wants. Drag wants rooms with many chats inside. Permissions, topics, threads. A sorted hierarchy of chats with a sense of place.
Frankly, no, they all come with some caveat.
Revolt. It just needs a larger userbase.
Centralized service with questionable moderation
XMPP
Honestly people should go back to writing letters
i just use this bad boy
Btw
Yay!
Was going to say. I've been lucky. My only experience with Discord has been
sudo pacman -S discord. I barely use it, but I have some friends I keep in touch with on it.Hell yeah
Based and nixpilled
Goofcord is privacy hardened vesktop
use the browser
Flatpak
All that work, and it's a web wrapper.
When l was on it I saw no point in running it outside a browser tab
check out vencord (or vesktop) just in time for discord to completely enshittify. while you're looking, consider something like revolt chat instead?
Oh that looks nice! I was using Dissent which is very light on resources but I kept running on a couple issues. I'll try that.
Another one I can recommend is equibop (web version wrap of Discord) and equicord (discord client modification with vencord)
Revolt is still extremely beta, at least last I checked it out?
Vesktop (on flatpak I believe) is just a discord wrapper with plugin support, actually a really great experience!!
Still, here's hoping literally any FOSS discord clone gets fully off the ground sometime soon. The enshitification is so fucking real.
Since the latest big discord update I had issues with Vesktop, other people could only watch my streams if they were in it when I started streaming and even then it usually would break after a few minutes. But I might try it again in the next few days to see if it got fixed
Edit: I quickly checked the GitHub repo and the latest release was 2 months ago so probably not :(
So. Very important for everyone here. You can bypasss the forced discord update.
To disable the update check, add the line "SKIP_HOST_UPDATE": true to ~/.config/discord/settings.json
I'm running with native electron (sure, electron) but it works great tbh
https://github.com/Vencord/Vesktop
Why do you need to update so much, Discord? What the hell are you doing? Suspicious. Very suspicious.
Does the same on windows. Either they're constantly changing some really deep stuff that we don't see or notice, or it's not actually updating just "checking" for updates or loading but it's just slow AF.
Nah, this isn't the launcher doing checks and applying patches, I mean like I gotta download a new .deb (basically .exe) file with an incremental difference in the version number and unpack it over the old install.
Ridiculously frequently. Like, once a week at the very least.
Okay Jesus, I think that's just someone at discord smoking something.
Just use a flatpak sheesh
I've been using the browser client.
The browser can't do push to talk though, right?
It can but it's useless
It only works if the browser tab is focused.
Not very useful as a PTT key.
Same cause i dont like electron
I just use the web version of discord :)
cause i have more control on the web version and i dislike electron
i cannot leave discord at this time
Yeah this is annoying.
"It's your lucky day!"
I'll figure it out
I can't stand that I can't close discord until I have touched that stupid dropdown, to the point I have uninstalled discord and just use a matrix bridge or the browser version.
I'm on endeavouros so the deb file is pointless
You can disable the update check in the config file. Then just update with your package manager as usual and forget about it.
That's good to know for others, especially if that update check setting isn't found in-app and only in the config file itself.
For me, I don't think I am going to try again with the app.
Vesktop is nice.
I use Vesktop, it has a flatpak release and flatpak auto-updates it for me. Also it includes Vencord, so I can add as many plugins and custom themes I want.
https://github.com/Vencord/Vesktop
I like that I can make the light theme not ass
I liked this one over Vesktop (if you use Desktop discord) https://github.com/Equicord/Equicord
discord.com/app
idk i just use the website
for some reason it crashes on Firefox when i enable audio, but my mic doesn't work anyway so you know it's not a big deal
edit: fix typos
Vesktop
yay discord
Yes.
Even screen share is fixed in wayland now! I believe that the flatpak version was on the cusp of supporting it too so it might already. I kinda stopped caring about it when everything worked, which is certainly a good sign.
I started using Discord in 2015 and around 2019 uninstalled it in favor of using it exclusively through a web browser (blocking as much of it's nonsense as possible). Discord takes too many resources hostage if anyone in your server is streaming something, even if you're not watching it. I don't have that issue when using Element (Matrix), Jitsi or any of Steam's broadcasting tools. The only reason I haven't deleted my Discord account yet is because some people I hold dear are incapable of trying something better nowadays (even when they already have it installed as is the case of Steam).
Steam is not better than discord lmao
Honestly activitypub should get extended with support for realtime data
That would allow for all sorts of cool things
I wrote a small bash script to curl the latest .deb, install it, and delete it because i was having this problem too. shame it can't just auto-update or let me use the old version
As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, check out this setting in Discord config for allowing you to use the old version: ArchWiki - Discord#2.2
wait really? thank you!
Ever since the update where screen sharing works FINALLY natively in plasma I just used the flatpak discord
I have to use Discord Canary for that but yeah. Flatpak all the way.
Well that's just their beta branch of discord, the main branch now has the screen share fix, been using it for a few months now
On my aging laptop, the Discord app consumed RAM like Goku at an all-you-can-eat buffet. Moving back to a browser tab eliminated the overhead from Electron and was dramatically more performant as a result. This completely side-steps any upgrade and/or snap issues.
me: so ppa?
discord: no ppa only deb
I don't get it - on Mint I click the Discord icon and just use Discord, same as on Windows.
That's mint tho. I've used it off and on for more than a decade myself and I'm still scared of other distros.
It really is baby's first distro. Easy mode for someone coming from windows. And I love it for that. I really do. But im not a programmer. I would be lost as a mfer with some distros.
I am a programmer and I love Mint, because I can just use it instead of having one more thing in my life that I have to fuss with.
I think that's often the case for anyone that has spent enough time using Linux. After 20 years, I just can't be bothered with needing to be all that proactive in managing any distro. I just want to use the bloody stupid box. I'm enjoying using Aurora right now. Atomic distros require even less effort from me.
Yknow what this reminds me of? Chefs and how at work they make these masterpieces while at home they're making like grilled cheese and slightly fancy ramen. Its great.
Like car mechanics have crappy cars that barely hold together.
Mint is for those who don't need to brag about things.
For civilized folk, you know.
"SKIP_HOST_UPDATE": trueRan into that as well. Just use "repair vesktop" option from the right click menu on the icon when it's running. That fixes it. You'll stay logged in etc.
I think it's an x11/Wayland incompatability issue.
I've had this issue too. I'm at work rn so I can't provide an exact process. But on KDE I right click on Vesktop on the task bar and there is a "fix Vesktop" option that resolved it for me.
I don't use a Debian based distro like Ubuntu anymore (arch BTW), but could you not just add their repo and do an
apt update && apt upgrade?Honestly, I really dislike apt and how you have to add random repos which is why I don't use it anymore. I moved away even before snaps.
Ps, I love the AUR.
yay discordftwThey don't have a repo as far as I know. Hence the manual .deb install.
this, they can't be bothered with a repo
Flatpak 🤷
It behaves the same way on Windows, but is a little better at cleaning up after itself when it updates. It’s poorly architected.
The Windows version definitely does not open your default browser to download a new installation package which you then need to install yourself.
Browser. website. basically the same experience without weird and/or shit integration into anything, share resources with the browser that's open anyway, works fine, and allow easy customization because it's a webpage anyway and you get to mess with the CSS/HTML/JS if you want to.
Idk about you, but for me Manjaro just auto manages that via AUR. dont even have to do anything.
Samesies, but on EndeavourOS
Huh, why does it use the AUR for discord? In Arch it's just part of the Extra repo.
That repo always seems to lag quite a bit behind official releases. Multiple times on arch I’ve edited config files to have it lie about its version number to get it to keep working.
Discord sure does feel like a 0.0.x version
Mine updates with all my other stuff. Not sure why you'd need to download it every time. I installed it with pacman.
It's not just me!
In endeavour all I need to do is close it, run yay to update, open. "Lucky Day" gone
Still annoying as fuck
I have been using goofcord, its functional. I am moving to matrix after the enshittification of discord though.
I just use the flatpak on arch, can't be bothered to have a link to a deb or do a system update when discord wants a update.
Why run an app when you can just run it in a browser tab?
Browser amnesia. I would have to login every time.
But that's what cookies are for? Either way, save your creds in your password manager of choice and just let it auto fill. Easy.
https://flathub.org/apps/com.discordapp.Discord
Packaging desktop apps via deb (or other system package managers) is obsolete and should be frowned upon.
cue the angry comments from cranky old people
@gamer @DesertDwellingWeirdo
>discord
>desktop apps
/0
Also, packaging electron to flatpak sounds most stupid idea ever...
@monogram is not electron already have sandbox?
My experience with matrix be like: (I still prefer it to discord)
I highly suggest using LegCord!
Do they have a repo?
Why? The browser client is ok.
Not if you need system wide PTT
My biggest problem with it is that the updates are always kinda late hitting AUR.
It's a way of controlling the software .... it would be a lot more difficult to make changes, even change settings or adjusting the software from time to time if it's constantly being updated every week.
I noticed this with Chrome ... a few years ago, there were lots of settings, hacks and changes and adjustments you could make to the browser to avoid tracking, advertising and all sorts of other things and to generally make it run faster. All that activity is lost now because Chrome literally updates itself every week.
I run Linux and my software doesn't update it self that much ... the only thing that updates itself every week is Chrome .... the entire package about 50-60MB every time, wipes itself and reinstalls a new version every time ... so any changes you had made to the software or any attempt at adjusting anything in the deep software is all lost and reset over and over again.
There is a ppa though. I trust the guy behind it, he has good history
Help I use Debian on the desktop and don't understand the implications
I haven’t used it on Linux, but on Windows I need to fight it to understand my headset, every freaking time the computer has been rebooted. Any other program just gets it. I feel like OP’s photo
I think it's about how Discord sends their updates, not sure tho.
If you want to install the desktop version of Discord I'd advice to install the flatpak. And if you don't want to install it system-wide you can install it on one user only. That's what I do anyway.
I’d rather just use a snap than that dumb shit.
How about legcord?
Webcord
I assumed there was something wrong with my setup because this UX is insane. Good to know it’s just shit.
lol this is me. I know there are easier solutions but I can't bring myself to use any of them.
this is my expierance but with jami
Had zero issue with the flatpak.
Just because there is a new minor version you don't to update it immediately. Except for security updates of course.
Discord forces you to update if there is a new version
Didnt know this. In this case i would uninstall discord and use the web version instead.
I think there is some way to actually bypass the forced update, i don't recall the specifics but it had something to do with some discord settings.json
I fucking hate discord.
No wait.
I fucking hate the people who use discord.
I get the message there's an upgrade. Say I'll do it myself, go to console.
yay -S discord (or more likely just do an overall upgrade and reboot, what they hell)
Restart discord.
Oh lord please don‘t do that. Partial upgrades are not supported. You WILL break your system sooner or later.
Yep. Also, I did clarify that I would usually do an overall upgrade at the same time.
Oh come on. This is every experience with linux.
I've been pretty deep in linux for years and never seen this.
I'm going to link this thread the next time someone screeches at me for using windows. The responses in here are so diverse and some of them are just perfection.
yeah... its almost like corporations are actively working to make computing worse and keep you in the hands of profit-driven initiatives.
no, it's the Linux nerds who are wrong!
Discord cares what OS you use?
Nobody is sabotaging Linux desktop. It's simply too much effort for most of the general public.