I wouldn't say it's a perfectly fine language but I also don't understand the people hating on JS developers. If anything kudos to them for suffering through a language filled with such BS as "==" not actually doing what you think it should do (when coming from other languages).
Most of these are scripting languages. Some are even markup languages. It's like the meme creator didn't even know what a programming language was.
I hope someone got fired for that blunder
Not least because there's no such thing as a "compiled" or "interpreted" language.
Which is to say that it's a property of the tooling rather than the language itself. There's nothing stopping anyone from writing a C interpreter or a Python compiler.
Not least because there’s no such thing as a “compiled” or “interpreted” language.
I'd say there is (but the line is a bit blurry). IMHO the main distinction is the presence (and prevalence) of eval semantics in the language; if it is present, then any "compiler" would have to embed itself into the generated code, thus de-facto turning it into a bundled interpreter.
That said, the argument that interpreted languages are somehow not programming languages is stupid.
Yeah, once you know all the details, the distinction disappears. The term doesn't clarify understanding.
If I had to make a distinction, it'd be that scripting languages are meant to be a simple way to serve a specific niche. Things like SQL or Excel formulas. It doesn't apply to Python.
Do you know what community you're in? Do you want to start a war?
There is no clear definition because there is a lot of overlap, especially when you get into the details, but:
Scripting languages are often considered to be very high level and can commonly run without compilation. Making them great to automate tasks or create a simplified interaction/abstraction layer to a more complex program.
Programming languages usually have much lower level access, and by extension they tend to be more complicated. In exchange for that, you get much more control. Although the access varies from Assembly to languages a C programmer would consider "scripting".
Although for every example, there is basically a counter example. Because programmers being who they are, see it as a challenge to do something with a language that others consider impossible or wrong.
For example, there are things like NodeOS, a "Lightweight operating system using Node.js as userspace."
Scripting languages are often considered to be very high level and can commonly run without compilation. Making them great to automate tasks or create a simplified interaction/abstraction layer to a more complex program.
Then Python is not a scripting language.
Programming languages usually have much lower level access, and by extension they tend to be more complicated. In exchange for that, you get much more control.
Would you consider C to be more or less complicated than Perl?
No, I'm trying to get people to think. If I laid out my full opinions on this subject (compilers and interpreters aren't that different anymore, even machine code often runs more like bytecode in many ways, "scripting" is a term that hides what's actually going on, etc.), then people get into endless debates. My questions are designed to pick apart assumptions.
Admittedly, people didn't appreciate when Socrates did this shit, either.
No Haskell so I'm not a nerd 😎.
Though from the languages I use the most (Java & Python) and other languages I enjoy (Rust, Julia) I can infer that I'm probably a bit of a nerd.
Thankfully I suck at that, but holy crap it is prevelent in this industry. The alcohol abuse is cray. Doesn't help when you travel constantly. I don't travel much anymore, but the people who spend 90+% of the year in the field, while having a family, are fundamentally broken. Fun to party once in a while, but when they do this shit multiple times a week, I don't understand.
Couldn't agree more. Field service is one hell of a drug. Money's good, variety is fun, the chaos and travel are fun too, and you learn a lot quickly. The latter often because some or all of the mfg. plant you're visiting needs you to fix your stuff so they can run, and no one is coming to BFE to help you, lol.
But that all wears off, in time, and it starts to take a huge toll like you described. Never met a long term field service engineer with a healthy home life, or with their health in general. I got out because both of mine were crumbling, for real.
I mean, I agree with you, I'd never pay for a Matlab license for myself if I ever decide to go the private engineering consultant route. Just sharing my experience that yes, it's used in the professional world.
So many come out of school with Matlab experience. I get them started with python. They brush me off. Then the license server goes down. Welcome to open source grasshopper! I should make a meme about this and put on my door...
If we're talking real engineering (like professional accredited engineering and not programmers calling themselves engineers) you couldn't be more wrong. It isn't used in deployment necessarily but for modeling and analysis it has no equal.
I am in fact an engineer and a nerd. Or as many of us like to call it, an enginerd
Edit: I wouldn't call Matlab my favorite though... But yes I use it. I mean, I'm on Lemmy... Like loads of users here, I like FOSS. So I'd say python is probably my favorite
We nagged our highschool around 97-98 until we got a programming course, we wanted c++ but the IT guy thought c++ would just be a fad, so we learned turbopascal.
I used to develop with PHP all the time . That was back in 2010 when my teenage soul still had hope and dreams. Can someone still developing tell me what I should use for the backend today? Also I can never understand GIT as a single developer. The fuck is that? I've tried everything to understand.
Can someone still developing tell me what I should use for the backend today?
I recommend checking out Python (Django) and Ruby (Ruby on Rails) if you want nice and easy modern Web frameworks that also aren't that weird if you have PHP experience.
Also I can never understand GIT as a single developer. The fuck is that? I've tried everything to understand.
Versioning your code with Git makes it much easier to experiment with new ideas. Cocked up a file? Pull it from the previous version. Create new branches for experiments, merge them in if they work, toss them if they don't, or keep them around just in case, without them ever getting in your way in the "real" version.
And if you keep the code in a server (GitHub etc), that gives you a backup location and makes it easier to work on code on multiple systems.
Nope, JS is “You think you are nerd”.
Also, why React is there? It’s a lib not a language
This guy right here is a certified nerd
This guy right here is a certified nerd certifier
I didn't certify that nerd certifier though.
You want to be looking for some other nerd certifier certifier for that.
definitely a nerd's nerd.
Node: Did you say "Nerd"?
promisify(nerd);I only believe in Bun.
HTML 5 is also not a programming language.
That being said. The JS hate is kinda cringe at this point. It's a perfectly fine language all things considered.
I wouldn't say it's a perfectly fine language but I also don't understand the people hating on JS developers. If anything kudos to them for suffering through a language filled with such BS as "==" not actually doing what you think it should do (when coming from other languages).
I'm yet to find a non-LISP that doesn't have at least one or two rough edges like that.
Isn't it Turing complete or was that CSS?
Ah, yes. My favourite programming language (checks notes) HTML...
If your favourite programming language is HTML, we do not grant you the title of Nerd.
A real nerd would know that React is a library and HTML is a markup language, and neither are programming languages.
matlab is nobody's favourite language. although using it does require an engineering degree, which makes you a nerd.
Or a physics student who wants to cry. cue thousand yard stare to freshman year in college.
at least you don't have to use simulink, right?
...right?
I think that was it? But it's also been almost 20 years 😭
Simulink was the fun part of Matlab.
neeeeerd
And?
that means you fit in here <3
Most of these are scripting languages. Some are even markup languages. It's like the meme creator didn't even know what a programming language was.
I hope someone got fired for that blunder
What your comment says about you:
You are a nerd
What's the difference between a scripting language and a programming language?
Some people think that only compiled languages are true programming languages. (Needless to say, they're wrong.)
Not least because there's no such thing as a "compiled" or "interpreted" language.
Which is to say that it's a property of the tooling rather than the language itself. There's nothing stopping anyone from writing a C interpreter or a Python compiler.
Except god, hopefully
I'd say there is (but the line is a bit blurry). IMHO the main distinction is the presence (and prevalence) of
evalsemantics in the language; if it is present, then any "compiler" would have to embed itself into the generated code, thus de-facto turning it into a bundled interpreter.That said, the argument that interpreted languages are somehow not programming languages is stupid.
Yeah, once you know all the details, the distinction disappears. The term doesn't clarify understanding.
If I had to make a distinction, it'd be that scripting languages are meant to be a simple way to serve a specific niche. Things like SQL or Excel formulas. It doesn't apply to Python.
Do you know what community you're in? Do you want to start a war?
There is no clear definition because there is a lot of overlap, especially when you get into the details, but:
Scripting languages are often considered to be very high level and can commonly run without compilation. Making them great to automate tasks or create a simplified interaction/abstraction layer to a more complex program.
Programming languages usually have much lower level access, and by extension they tend to be more complicated. In exchange for that, you get much more control. Although the access varies from Assembly to languages a C programmer would consider "scripting".
Although for every example, there is basically a counter example. Because programmers being who they are, see it as a challenge to do something with a language that others consider impossible or wrong.
For example, there are things like NodeOS, a "Lightweight operating system using Node.js as userspace."
No way this exists.
Wtf, it exists. Why would anyone do that to the world?
Then Python is not a scripting language.
Would you consider C to be more or less complicated than Perl?
The first comment worked as bait, but that last question is way too obvious.
Although just for fun:
That is true. It is often used as one, but it was developed from the start as a general-purpose language.
You know about Python, Perl and C. You know the answer and you're just trying to incense people.
No, I'm trying to get people to think. If I laid out my full opinions on this subject (compilers and interpreters aren't that different anymore, even machine code often runs more like bytecode in many ways, "scripting" is a term that hides what's actually going on, etc.), then people get into endless debates. My questions are designed to pick apart assumptions.
Admittedly, people didn't appreciate when Socrates did this shit, either.
One is:
/me ducks for cover
A scripting language is a type of programming language...
Neeeeerd!
I bet there are people out there that have React as favorite language
Hell, they'll probably put that on a resume, and someone will hire them.
I think simply knowing what the "F" is means you're old and a nerd.
It's still commonly used in STEM fields.
I have to take a breath whenever I find an F77 file. Prepare for a lack of objects!
F in the chat for people who know F.
I heard it's to pay respect?
I am old and a nerd and I don’t see Perl on here.
Wait… is it the tiny camel at the bottom?
Yep. It has no logo of its own, so it sometimes gets identified by the animal on the O'Reilly book
You clearly were not a perl programmer 20 years ago
it was a joke about O'Reilly, which is also the name of this cunt
perl logo is just the infopop ultimate bulletin board logo.
Perl.org now has a stylised camel emblem
CPAN.org doesn't use a camel
Yes, it appears it is. I thought it was Apache Camel but I was corrected as per the hump count.
OCaml maybe
OCaml has a camel with two bumps. So, that's gotta be the Perl dromedary camel...
It is indeed the sedulous camel of perl!
No Haskell so I'm not a nerd 😎. Though from the languages I use the most (Java & Python) and other languages I enjoy (Rust, Julia) I can infer that I'm probably a bit of a nerd.
I believe Haskell makes you the pope of nerds.
Awesome!
Yeah Haskell is definitely not for nerds. Just too plain and simple.
GHC :: Your thoughts -> Our commands
I didn't knew that (1) Fortran has such logo and (2) I am old. Shit
if you have a favorite language that isn't on this, you're a super nerd.
Believe it or not?
F in the chat for Fortran programmers.
No QBASIC, can not confirm.
BASICA represent.
Bottom right should be "You're a nerd and getting old".
Source: I was dicking around with mod_perl yesterday.
As an engineer this is extremely offensive. MATLAB is for fucking tryhards.
as an R user, what is matlab what is it about
We can just remove the HTML5 entry all together.
laughs in PLC
Ah, alcoholic then
Thankfully I suck at that, but holy crap it is prevelent in this industry. The alcohol abuse is cray. Doesn't help when you travel constantly. I don't travel much anymore, but the people who spend 90+% of the year in the field, while having a family, are fundamentally broken. Fun to party once in a while, but when they do this shit multiple times a week, I don't understand.
Couldn't agree more. Field service is one hell of a drug. Money's good, variety is fun, the chaos and travel are fun too, and you learn a lot quickly. The latter often because some or all of the mfg. plant you're visiting needs you to fix your stuff so they can run, and no one is coming to BFE to help you, lol.
But that all wears off, in time, and it starts to take a huge toll like you described. Never met a long term field service engineer with a healthy home life, or with their health in general. I got out because both of mine were crumbling, for real.
Yeah holy shit. When I was starting out and tagged along a senior on a trip he literally hauled a big backpack of spirits with him.
Got out of that industry after a few years when I realized why every senior was drinking. The money was just not worth it for me.
Matlab sucks ass no real engineers use it, only college kids.
I've had more than one job where Matlab was used extensively, guess my coworkers and I aren't real engineers.
I'd rather use something else, but if it's what the group already uses, fine, I'll do it
Also, I don't do a ton of true programming on it. It's a fancy calculator, and occasionally I make a GUI app with it
What a waste of money when Python is free
I mean, I agree with you, I'd never pay for a Matlab license for myself if I ever decide to go the private engineering consultant route. Just sharing my experience that yes, it's used in the professional world.
It's just so weird to me. I've worked at a few big companies and Matlab was just kind of out of the question at any of them. It was Excel or Python
octave not a thing anymore?
So many come out of school with Matlab experience. I get them started with python. They brush me off. Then the license server goes down. Welcome to open source grasshopper! I should make a meme about this and put on my door...
If we're talking real engineering (like professional accredited engineering and not programmers calling themselves engineers) you couldn't be more wrong. It isn't used in deployment necessarily but for modeling and analysis it has no equal.
COBOL: You’re a fucking dinosaur
Fixed! "Fotran: You are
olddead and a nerd"Right hand to baby Jesus, I thought Kmart was basically no longer in operation, when did it become a programming language for nerds?
I am in fact an engineer and a nerd. Or as many of us like to call it, an enginerd
Edit: I wouldn't call Matlab my favorite though... But yes I use it. I mean, I'm on Lemmy... Like loads of users here, I like FOSS. So I'd say python is probably my favorite
Happy to see Julia on the list.
Apparently I am a nerd. I accept that.
Rust: Nerdy Transfem
Welp, I guess you're sort of right…
Fortran has a logo now?
It's just an f in serif
rust: you're about to get a blahaj and a tiny blue pill.
Julia is a regular nerd?
She is, and she's lovely.
RoR: am I a joke to you
Ah, right, Ruby on Rails.
I've never heard of Ruby outside Ruby on Rails. What games use it?
I know of Minetest. And mpv (not a game) plugins. And Asciidoctor is built in it (for examples outside RoR).
JavaScript: You are jus pretending
I don’t think I like any of them. This is just a job to me.
Just saw react in the “language” list and now I’m definitely a nerd.
I might be a nerd...
Haha elixir is too obscure to be a nerd just us cool guys putting the fun in function
No Gleam either. That's one I'm wanting to try out.
What about bash?
For n00bs
Can't confirm, I'm old and a nerd and I love C++
Which one of these symbols is Bash? If none, does that mean I'm not a nerd?
My dad first learned to Code in Pascal. Where would he fall?
I still do.
I wish they'd open source Delphi (and most of the libraries). Might actually breathe some life back into it.
We nagged our highschool around 97-98 until we got a programming course, we wanted c++ but the IT guy thought c++ would just be a fad, so we learned turbopascal.
I used to be very opinionated about programming languages but now I just really love all of them.
Sure some might not be the best tool for some jobs but maintaining a language is insane and just such a mind-blowing endevour.
Please, direct your hatred for R here:
Insults %>% Select() %>% filter() %>% nerd()
Why hate? It allows for easy functional programming with vectorized operations that bind to C for efficiency.
Why tiktok
where is Dart :(
I used to develop with PHP all the time . That was back in 2010 when my teenage soul still had hope and dreams. Can someone still developing tell me what I should use for the backend today? Also I can never understand GIT as a single developer. The fuck is that? I've tried everything to understand.
I recommend checking out Python (Django) and Ruby (Ruby on Rails) if you want nice and easy modern Web frameworks that also aren't that weird if you have PHP experience.
Versioning your code with Git makes it much easier to experiment with new ideas. Cocked up a file? Pull it from the previous version. Create new branches for experiments, merge them in if they work, toss them if they don't, or keep them around just in case, without them ever getting in your way in the "real" version.
And if you keep the code in a server (GitHub etc), that gives you a backup location and makes it easier to work on code on multiple systems.
I'm a single developer and I use it. It's a great way to backup your files on the cloud with versionning.
I use it to make it easier to work on stuff from my desktop, laptop, from windows or from Linux...
Rust: you're an annoying nerd
D: you're a nonexistent nerd
The cool kids use AI to code