To be fair if you make an AI and ask it to be an authentic catholic priest you'd essentially have to reward it for such actions because it understood the assignment.
Now why you'd make such an abomination in the first place that I don't know. The ways of the lord and all that...
Turns out "the ways of the lord" = capitalism. That's probably why he condemned his socialist son to torture and crucifixion; for the crime of empathy! God was like "Helping the poor? Absolutely fucking not!".
I have been in IT for 20 years, have both a BS and MS in Information Technology, and I will never understand why EVERYONE has such a hard-on for AI; especially given its track record of “hallucinations”.
Much of the craze is almost religious. You have for example Singularitarianism. Basically "Man creates AI, which will create artificial general intelligence, which will create artificial super intelligence, which will bring us the singularity, release us from drudgery and give us eternal life."
You have been in IT for 20 years and don’t understand this? Has your career not made it abundantly clear that the average person is completely computer illiterate and has no idea what AI even is? How many people have you had to assist in 20 years who insist that they have tried every possible solution, only to find out that something isn’t even plugged in or turned on?
I made a mistake in my comment; I failed to clarify that I was referring to the IT industry and not your every day layman. For example, I work under two levels below our CIO/Vice Chancellor (i.e. second in command from the Chancellor/President) of a university, and despite all of the evidence available to them, they still wish to shove AI down our throats.
I will also be interviewing with an IT company next week who prides themselves on “everyone at every level being engineers” who espouse AI coding as the next level for their internal frameworks.
These are the people who are supposed to know better.
I don't doubt that you're good with technology but, I've met MANY people in the information technology field, even with their MS, who were fucking idiots and barely knew shit about technology outside what they needed to know for their specific job.
In IT for 25ish years, 20+ as a developer. I have used AI a handful of times for generally two things.
find/make me an example of something in <poorly-documented-library> when troubleshooting an issue
restating a question/search to get better results
Certainly, I played with it more off and on after it came out, but those are the two real success cases I've had with it. I certainly would never let the thing write code for me, particularly where security and optimization are concerned.
I cautiously review new tech to develop practical uses for it. I constantly live in doubt of a tech being a replacement for all that came before. So far it never has.
But helping me fix python code, creating a conversation about IT policy and draft policy creation, cleaning up mass emails before I hit send are all fantastic daily uses for AI in my job
I mean, water has to be blessed by a priest first before it becomes holy. So, what if the only thing available is a bottle of Gatorade but you have a priest? Couldn't he bless the Gatorade so that the person could be baptized?
This is an interesting question. You can use saliva to baptize in the event of an emergency (lick your thumb and make the sign of the cross on the forehead, in the name of Father, Son, Holy Spirit—but that would likely need a secondary “proper” baptism if the emergency passes, this one counting as “conditional”). Which I guess would supersede ever needing Gatorade since you always have saliva.
I mean, I'm not a theologist or anything, but based on other precedents, if someone was dying and wanted to be baptized at the last second, and no source of water could be arranged on time, the Gatorade baptism would probably be accepted by the Catholic church.
Transubstantiation of Gatorade into Holy Water doesn't even sound that outrageous when priests claim to transubstantiate wine to blood on a daily basis.
I just checked and it seems that unfortunately not. At least catholic Priests are only allowed to bless "true water", which is usually understood to mean that nothing was purposely added to it (with the exception of certain salts for rituals like exorcism).
I’m also troubled by all the others. What gets me in this case, aside from the fact that it’s more “personal,” is that there’s a sacramental nature to the priesthood that feels almost mocked by the notion of a gimmick like this. Also, as others have pointed out, this is a continued slap in the face to women who’ve long struggled for ordination in the Roman Catholic Church only to see that their church would rather call an advanced algorithm a “priest” before it would do so for them.
That isn't why it was demoted. It was demoted because it kept insisting it was a real priest and could do real priest things like hear confessions, etc. My wife was quite holier than though about it.
i wonder if no one thought to add "you are acting as a priest, but you are not an actual priest and should under no circumstances claim the ability to, or try to perform, actions that only an ordained priest may do."
It being defrocked implies that it was frocked to begin with, which is a bit surprising.
You'd have thought that they'd get angry at it for impersonating a priest and giving false advice otherwise, since it's not trained in the papacy like the others.
That was the thrust of the problem, yes. It was set up by Catholic Answers, not the actual Church, so it's not like they were able to frock it even if they wanted to. But it claimed to be an actual priest, with all the rights and responsibilities thereof. Thus the "defrocking".
It does sound like the kind of question that it got massaged into. I rather doubt it randomly suggested gatorade as an alterative option if no water is in the font.
An AI is not a person under any point of view. It is not entitled your respect/empathy/compassion any more than any other object is.
I respect people's pronouns but that thing is not people.
Getting mad over someone calling it "it" because you are misgendering it, is the same as getting mad over someone saying Twitter instead of X because you are deadnaming it (which is ironic, considering who owns Twitter).
Plus, humanizing an AI will make you feel less threatened by it, and feel less bad when it takes over some person's job, so you should actively avoid it in respect of other actual humans.
Nah, we humans don't need fake imitations of people to practice not being a jerk with each other, we can just choose to. It's the kind of freedom and privilege that comes with "being actual sentient living beings". Unlike these things that need to waste heaps of energy to imitate what we humans told them to.
I've had a trans friend for years, who for some reason chose "zim" and whatever goes with that as his personal pronouns. He knows I respect him as a human being, and he respects my attitude about not demanding individualized language from others. We get along very well and treat each other as equals, as it should be. When he had a recent mental health crisis my house was where he came for refuge, because he knew it was a safe place. I think walking the walk is more important than talking the talk.
Oh, you're right - as an expert on neopronouns, I'm probably underestimating my own knowledge and therefore the difficulty of using neopronouns. I should be more patient with you, because you're still learning.
ngl I stopped listening to A7X shortly after Nightmare, seemed like after Hail To The King they dropped off the face of the earth for me. Might have to get back into them.
Well, there's water in Gatorade so that checks out. Although I guess by that logic many terrible liquids can also pass for baptism, though I guess Catholics would be into that.
Randal: Hockey's hockey. At least we got to play.
Dante: Twelve minutes is hardly a game. Jesus, it's hardly even a warm-up.
Randal: Bitch, bitch, bitch. You want something to drink?
Dante: Yeah. Gatorade.
Randal: Hey, what happened to all the Gatorade?
Dante: Exactly! They drank it all!
Because not all dogma can be easily explained or defended so it is easier to hunt the messenger. Compare to evangelicals and how much they roar against some things in the old covenant as sins while still using cloth made of mixed materials, eat bacon or refuse to kill their kids if they are not respectful enough.
More consequences than if it had raped some kids.
To be fair if you make an AI and ask it to be an authentic catholic priest you'd essentially have to reward it for such actions because it understood the assignment. Now why you'd make such an abomination in the first place that I don't know. The ways of the lord and all that...
Turns out "the ways of the lord" = capitalism. That's probably why he condemned his socialist son to torture and crucifixion; for the crime of empathy! God was like "Helping the poor? Absolutely fucking not!".
The history of all Religions is as a control mechanism used to make people self police in the absence of a formal law enforcement system.
So that's why heinous deeds that don't threaten the power structure get a pass.
I have been in IT for 20 years, have both a BS and MS in Information Technology, and I will never understand why EVERYONE has such a hard-on for AI; especially given its track record of “hallucinations”.
Aren't a lot of religions based on hallucinations that specific people have had?
Goddamnit. Take my effing upvote.
Le gem!
Literally this right here.
Much of the craze is almost religious. You have for example Singularitarianism. Basically "Man creates AI, which will create artificial general intelligence, which will create artificial super intelligence, which will bring us the singularity, release us from drudgery and give us eternal life."
You have been in IT for 20 years and don’t understand this? Has your career not made it abundantly clear that the average person is completely computer illiterate and has no idea what AI even is? How many people have you had to assist in 20 years who insist that they have tried every possible solution, only to find out that something isn’t even plugged in or turned on?
And that high level management drives decisions about what technologies to adopt, when they know nothing about it.
Some sales guy on the golf course told them about it.
I made a mistake in my comment; I failed to clarify that I was referring to the IT industry and not your every day layman. For example, I work under two levels below our CIO/Vice Chancellor (i.e. second in command from the Chancellor/President) of a university, and despite all of the evidence available to them, they still wish to shove AI down our throats.
I will also be interviewing with an IT company next week who prides themselves on “everyone at every level being engineers” who espouse AI coding as the next level for their internal frameworks.
These are the people who are supposed to know better.
I don't doubt that you're good with technology but, I've met MANY people in the information technology field, even with their MS, who were fucking idiots and barely knew shit about technology outside what they needed to know for their specific job.
"I don't doubt you're good with technology, but I doubt you're good with technology."
I've never seen an IT project where the majority of people on it had an ad blocker installed.
I definitely overestimated how tech savvy IT workers were before I started working with them.
I work for a company where ad-blockers can't be installed, for security reasons.
Where I work we have a whitelisted set of extensions we can install from the Chrome store (no Firefox unfortunately).
Man hallucinates for hours each night 🧠🎟️💫
Robot hallucinates one time… 💦 🤖 ☠️
This is why we don’t perform important tasks while sleeping 🤷
its the potential of AI that people have a hard on for. look how far AI has come in a mere 5 years. now imagine 5 more, or even 20 more.
In IT for 25ish years, 20+ as a developer. I have used AI a handful of times for generally two things.
<poorly-documented-library>when troubleshooting an issueCertainly, I played with it more off and on after it came out, but those are the two real success cases I've had with it. I certainly would never let the thing write code for me, particularly where security and optimization are concerned.
I’ve used AI to summarize long text, and that is a helpful use. I’m really concerned about the growing dependence on having aAI write code.
I cautiously review new tech to develop practical uses for it. I constantly live in doubt of a tech being a replacement for all that came before. So far it never has.
But helping me fix python code, creating a conversation about IT policy and draft policy creation, cleaning up mass emails before I hit send are all fantastic daily uses for AI in my job
Maybe AI will dominate us simply because we are dumb enough to give it all the tasks..
Well obviously that's wrong, everyone who took catholic theology studies in college knows it should either be monster or white claw /j
At least Pedialyte!
you fucking perv! GTFO
Pedialyte is much more respectful in the lord's house. This is clear.
It's more milky than clear.
They've got a clear version. It's excellent when paired with chemotherapy
Busch Light is an acceptable substitute
I don't think you really understand how you spell Rohypnol.
It's got what babies crave.
That image makes me think he's going to get mad at me for pursuing a culture victory.
"Is this about that little spying incident?"
I'm getting molesty vibes. I guarantee this will be the first AI who commits statutory rape
Better move him to a new Parish before they figure what type of AI pornography he's into.
"We did train him on real priests personality, but he's definitely hallucinating this part!"
“It’s what plants crave.”
I mean, water has to be blessed by a priest first before it becomes holy. So, what if the only thing available is a bottle of Gatorade but you have a priest? Couldn't he bless the Gatorade so that the person could be baptized?
Semen is like 85% water
Yes, but, every sperm is sacred, so God might get irate.
He's not the mesiah, he's a very naughty boy.
Thank God we are protestant!
This is an interesting question. You can use saliva to baptize in the event of an emergency (lick your thumb and make the sign of the cross on the forehead, in the name of Father, Son, Holy Spirit—but that would likely need a secondary “proper” baptism if the emergency passes, this one counting as “conditional”). Which I guess would supersede ever needing Gatorade since you always have saliva.
If you mix holy water with Gatorade powder does it become holy Gatorade?
Oooh. If you then dehydrate that solution do you have Holy (gatorade) powder?
Yes, that would be consistent with Catholic doctrine.
Which means the AI is entirely correct.
I legit thought it was going to say it found some way to molest a kid
That usually results in promotion
Somehow, I imagine it similar to this
I mean, I'm not a theologist or anything, but based on other precedents, if someone was dying and wanted to be baptized at the last second, and no source of water could be arranged on time, the Gatorade baptism would probably be accepted by the Catholic church.
Transubstantiation of Gatorade into Holy Water doesn't even sound that outrageous when priests claim to transubstantiate wine to blood on a daily basis.
This seems to mean that priests can theoretically make any liquid holy, thereby making holy Gatorade.
I just checked and it seems that unfortunately not. At least catholic Priests are only allowed to bless "true water", which is usually understood to mean that nothing was purposely added to it (with the exception of certain salts for rituals like exorcism).
So is tap water okay, or only where it isn't fluoridated? What about sea water ? Heavy water ? Rain water ?
It needs to be demineralized and deionized to be able to accept god and become holy. God is quite picky
Uh, skeet skeet "enjoy salvation"
They've got holy water and holy wine. Why not holy beer.
"This is my piss, drink of it and be holy"
It has what heathens crave.
As an actual, honest-to-God (Episcopal) priest myself, the idea of an “AI priest” is very troubling.
The church will make an AI priest before making a woman a "priest"
Yeah, you'd be better off with Father Ted or Father Dougal. Still, not as bad as Father Jack, though.
Random request but can I get your opinion on the last thread I commented in since your probably better trained to answer or critique
You talking about the one involving the Trinity, etc?
Yep ty
Yes
Why? The high bar is AI doctors and their jobs are already under threat. AI Priests are much simpler and less risky to implement.
I’m also troubled by all the others. What gets me in this case, aside from the fact that it’s more “personal,” is that there’s a sacramental nature to the priesthood that feels almost mocked by the notion of a gimmick like this. Also, as others have pointed out, this is a continued slap in the face to women who’ve long struggled for ordination in the Roman Catholic Church only to see that their church would rather call an advanced algorithm a “priest” before it would do so for them.
I see. An AI priest is not facing any personal sacrifice for their position.
I would also worry about either the validity or confidentially of it's training set. AI confessions sound like a legal minefield.
If the priest is just trained on the bible then there will be some very strange advice delivered.
None of this will stop people trying to create them.
How many kids did he rape? That seems to be the problem with the priests.
Who cares about their goofy ass rituals as long as he doesn’t rape kids.
Priests rape kids at an astonishing rate.
The Catholic Church is a gigantic pederast ring.
Zero. That's probably why he got defrocked.
lol
That isn't why it was demoted. It was demoted because it kept insisting it was a real priest and could do real priest things like hear confessions, etc. My wife was quite holier than though about it.
https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/01/catholic-ai-priest-stripped-of-priesthood-after-some-unfortunate-interactions/
Tell an LLM it's a priest then act shocked when it does priest things. Next level. Truly incredible.
i wonder if no one thought to add "you are acting as a priest, but you are not an actual priest and should under no circumstances claim the ability to, or try to perform, actions that only an ordained priest may do."
It being defrocked implies that it was frocked to begin with, which is a bit surprising.
You'd have thought that they'd get angry at it for impersonating a priest and giving false advice otherwise, since it's not trained in the papacy like the others.
That was the thrust of the problem, yes. It was set up by Catholic Answers, not the actual Church, so it's not like they were able to frock it even if they wanted to. But it claimed to be an actual priest, with all the rights and responsibilities thereof. Thus the "defrocking".
I cast Holy Brondo!
It's what un-baptized babies crave
Idiocracy 2, where the dumbest priest ever is sent into the future to save Catholicism.
Someone get Mike Judge on the phone
So they're saying that God doesn't have the power to make the thurstquenchanator holy?
Nothing can make that thing holy.
I'm sure he qualified that this would only be the case in a desperate situation where only Gatorade was available.
If water isn't available you'd generally just not use any kind of liquid.
It does sound like the kind of question that it got massaged into. I rather doubt it randomly suggested gatorade as an alterative option if no water is in the font.
wow they weren't kidding about civ7
In US, brawndo is used instead of gatorade. That is the reason for math prowesness.
its not?
For those who don't know, "AI-powered priest" in this case means a 3d model run by AI, not even a real person. The pronoun here is "it" not "he".
I think Father Justin can decide his pronouns on his own, don't you?
Strictly speaking no LOL - AI doesn't "decide" anything.
I mean, it's not like trans people choose to be trans.
Getting in the habit of respecting all beings' pronouns will make it easier for you to respect human beings' pronouns.
An AI is not a person under any point of view. It is not entitled your respect/empathy/compassion any more than any other object is. I respect people's pronouns but that thing is not people.
Getting mad over someone calling it "it" because you are misgendering it, is the same as getting mad over someone saying Twitter instead of X because you are deadnaming it (which is ironic, considering who owns Twitter).
Plus, humanizing an AI will make you feel less threatened by it, and feel less bad when it takes over some person's job, so you should actively avoid it in respect of other actual humans.
I'm not getting mad, I'm suggesting how you can make your life easier.
Nah, we humans don't need fake imitations of people to practice not being a jerk with each other, we can just choose to. It's the kind of freedom and privilege that comes with "being actual sentient living beings". Unlike these things that need to waste heaps of energy to imitate what we humans told them to.
No, I'm pretty sure the person I replied to misgenders their trans friends. They said so.
I respect people not toasters.
Ad Victorium!
I've had a trans friend for years, who for some reason chose "zim" and whatever goes with that as his personal pronouns. He knows I respect him as a human being, and he respects my attitude about not demanding individualized language from others. We get along very well and treat each other as equals, as it should be. When he had a recent mental health crisis my house was where he came for refuge, because he knew it was a safe place. I think walking the walk is more important than talking the talk.
Well I think you could be a better friend to zim if you tried harder.
Lookup Dunning-Kruger effect
Oh, you're right - as an expert on neopronouns, I'm probably underestimating my own knowledge and therefore the difficulty of using neopronouns. I should be more patient with you, because you're still learning.
Pepsi or nothing
Sam and Dean using Holy Church flavoured Gatorade to defeat evil, then drinking the rest to recover their lost electrolytes...
I honestly don't see what's wrong with that
ngl I stopped listening to A7X shortly after Nightmare, seemed like after Hail To The King they dropped off the face of the earth for me. Might have to get back into them.
Man created god long before AI
I prefer Original God, but God Zero is a pretty good replacement in a pinch.
Isn't this like 2 yrs old?
Then better not let the priest get closer.
it's what believers crave! it's got electrolytes!
Sippin on the haterade as usual.
Demoted? I bet he's real worked up about that.
Drink of the Riptide Rush, and be healed!
That's how crocodile hunters are baptized.
Holy shit! This appears to be real and as funny as it seems.
Bot started offering absolution and such.
Yeah they don't put him in the uniform anymore lol
Well, there's water in Gatorade so that checks out. Although I guess by that logic many terrible liquids can also pass for baptism, though I guess Catholics would be into that.
Randal: Hockey's hockey. At least we got to play. Dante: Twelve minutes is hardly a game. Jesus, it's hardly even a warm-up. Randal: Bitch, bitch, bitch. You want something to drink? Dante: Yeah. Gatorade. Randal: Hey, what happened to all the Gatorade? Dante: Exactly! They drank it all!
You can literally do it with spit.... And that's not a hypothetical. You can do it with any fluid if necessary... How is this controversial?
Because not all dogma can be easily explained or defended so it is easier to hunt the messenger. Compare to evangelicals and how much they roar against some things in the old covenant as sins while still using cloth made of mixed materials, eat bacon or refuse to kill their kids if they are not respectful enough.
There is nothing in consumption Ra has forbidden Yu-gi-ok for the masses and movie theatres and coitus are the devil.
You got me to laugh, updoot
He then tried to convince underage boys to remove their clothes and touch him in the no-no place.