I always use yyyy.mm.dd as my date format whenever I sign and date documents. I also use a pictograph instead of initials. Someone tried to forge a contract edit to try and get out of paying but used the mm/dd/yy format. The moment my lawyer showed this to their lawyer, they settled immediately for the original amount, legal fees, and late payment penalties. Dumbasses.
That's beautiful. I love a bit of personal standards to fuck someone else's day up.
I typically change my responses on the form to Calibri if using MS Office. It's not enough to pique anyone's interest, but it's different enough to spot what I've added to a form rather than the usual Arial additions if you've been told about it.
Someone at my office tried to say I'd said something on a form when I hadn't, and took great delight pointing out the slight difference in typeface on the field that wasn't my edit.
It's satisfying as fuck coming back at someone with receipts.
The situation was more like "Dear lawyer, your clients have committed a federal felony offense and they did it in such a sloppy manner that they didn't even follow our standard document formatting. Drop the suit, have them pay our legal fees and a fine, and we won't inform the US District Attorney and then ask the State Bar of Texas to look into whether you knowingly partook in this scheme".
I'm glad I'm near retirement. These sort of situations chip away at the soul.
Germany officially specified it for documents for a while but that was amended to also allow for dd.mm.yyyy since not enough people actually used ISO 8601.
Most OSes will let you do it but 2025.01.01.png could have issues compared to 2025-01-01.png. Plus I think it's a little clearer what the file type actually is.
Its just a little pedantic thing I've picked up after years of being a sysadmin. In my mind slashes (/) are reserved for directory delimitation and the period (.) is to separate the file name from the file type. I also have a little bit longer of a list of "reserved" characters for other reasons (%, #, and {`}`)
In Arabic we use DD/MM/YYYY but it actually gets written as YYYY/MM/DD since Arabic is written and read from right to left. When the year is dropped the confusing part is not what format is used here but rather does this website/software support RTL or is it just regular unformatted ASCII.
Edit: it's still not ISO 8601 and it doesn't solve the sorting issue
But if you type it as "[RTL invert]yyyy/mm/dd" it is automatically sorted correctly in ltr parsing systems but still displayed correctly (assuming it is supported which it seems to be on most devices nowadays).
You shouldn't do that, because if you're writing it down it means you want to either refer to it later or have someone else refer to it later. The year changes and you're searching for that receipt or email... why set yourself up for failure?
BRB -- I have to tell the country of Japan they're doing dates wrong /s.
For the things I'm thinking about, the year generally doesn't matter. I'm thinking advertisements or even things that say like 'Spring 2025 menu 2025年の春メヌー' or something which preserves context. A lot are also written on shop whiteboards and such which are changed fairly regularly. In my own notes, in anything I may care about that far into the future, I do write the full date in ISO-8601
I worked for a company that did their dates multiple ways and it was fucking impossible to know what date was what. It was super frustrating. I'd prefer this, but if you don't, at least keep it consistent once you start.
If a date starts with the year, everyone will know the thing after it is the month. I've never ever seen YYYY/DD/MM. That, to me, seems like it wouldn't add additional confusion at least.
I only deal with people from one country, but I always write out the month so there's no confusion in important messages. Even including the day of the week as a type of verification.
What Americans are calling people idiots for saying (day) of (month)? We say it both ways all the time. 4th of July, July 4th... it's not a complicated thing.
It’s like saying USAians don’t have a sense of humour. Some USAians are MAGAt knob heads, some are perfectly reasonable people. More or less like anywhere else.
That is a weird one: every other date is “normal” order but for some reason this is an exception. Also weird that we call it with backward date more often than its actual holiday name
July 4 is a normal date
Independency Day is the name of the holiday
so why do we usually refer to it as “Fourth of July”
We don’t say July 4 because that’s a normal date, we don’t say Independence Day because there are so many of those on different days for different countries.
I've been told I need to redo paperwork because I marked the date like 12APR2025.
I get standardization for computers, but for something a person is going to look at I feel like it's very direct, needs no explanation or interpretation. Anyone who sees it should be able to figure it out instantly.
To be fair I read it as 12A PR 2025 (yes I am stupid). It could also be the 12th version of the main PR of 2025. I'm not great with abbreviations and when it comes to months I'm also not used to it. Numbers seem superior to me.
As someone from a yyyy-mm-dd country, you're all wrong /hj
There's also RFC3339, which is freely available and compatible with the most common ISO8501 profile.
What about RFC 9557, which is an update to RFC 3339?
I had not heard of that one, thanks! Looks like a good extension.
Weird question, if it's called "Request For Comments", where do we post the comments?
I always use yyyy.mm.dd as my date format whenever I sign and date documents. I also use a pictograph instead of initials. Someone tried to forge a contract edit to try and get out of paying but used the mm/dd/yy format. The moment my lawyer showed this to their lawyer, they settled immediately for the original amount, legal fees, and late payment penalties. Dumbasses.
That's beautiful. I love a bit of personal standards to fuck someone else's day up.
I typically change my responses on the form to Calibri if using MS Office. It's not enough to pique anyone's interest, but it's different enough to spot what I've added to a form rather than the usual Arial additions if you've been told about it.
Someone at my office tried to say I'd said something on a form when I hadn't, and took great delight pointing out the slight difference in typeface on the field that wasn't my edit.
It's satisfying as fuck coming back at someone with receipts.
So I could use a different than usual date format for a document I might want to recall
The situation was more like "Dear lawyer, your clients have committed a federal felony offense and they did it in such a sloppy manner that they didn't even follow our standard document formatting. Drop the suit, have them pay our legal fees and a fine, and we won't inform the US District Attorney and then ask the State Bar of Texas to look into whether you knowingly partook in this scheme".
I'm glad I'm near retirement. These sort of situations chip away at the soul.
All legal documents here use yyyy-mm-dd so I'll unfortunately won't be able to pull that :3
Lithuania if you want the serious answer :3.. china, japan, both koreas, taiwan, bhutan, mongolia and hungary also use it
But yes, im from linuxstan :3
How is it living in a theocracy worshipping our lord and savior Richard Stallman?
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
Anyway, the point of linking that page is that RMS is a saint, not a god.
Germany officially specified it for documents for a while but that was amended to also allow for dd.mm.yyyy since not enough people actually used ISO 8601.
Why can't Trump use unitary executive theory to do something good...like force everyone to use ISO 8601.
Nah. Someone would make up some convoluted and confusing template, pass it to Trump as "freedom dates", and he's sign it without reading.
And then head right back to the golf course to mooch even more tax dollars.
Would probably claim it's chinese propaganda or smth, and then go back to golfing
It's the only correct way to save file names
I’m similar I just don’t use - or anything. Works well when I sort concert recordings.
yyyymmdd Venue City State
As long as month goes in the middle and the year is 4 digits, no confusion.
Both are wrong. The correct way to write the date is YYYY-MM-DD. This is the only way to sort dates linearly in a list. ISO 8601.
It's frustrating that people are so bad at dates that ISO8601 lives rent-free in my head because I constantly have to tell people ;)
Hungarian is close enough
YYYY.MM.DD
I can be OK with that
But not with having elected the Trump of EU
Bro, trump is learning from Orbán if anything Trump is the US Orbán, fuck both of them too
♥️ this is what I decide to use at work. Dots are superior than dashes in my opinion because they prevent line breaks
I like dashes because they work better than dots or slashes for file names.
How so? At least dots haven't prevented me in the past (windows, Mac, android, various cloud storage).
Most OSes will let you do it but
2025.01.01.pngcould have issues compared to2025-01-01.png. Plus I think it's a little clearer what the file type actually is.Its just a little pedantic thing I've picked up after years of being a sysadmin. In my mind slashes (
/) are reserved for directory delimitation and the period (.) is to separate the file name from the file type. I also have a little bit longer of a list of "reserved" characters for other reasons (%,#, and{`}`)In Arabic we use DD/MM/YYYY but it actually gets written as YYYY/MM/DD since Arabic is written and read from right to left. When the year is dropped the confusing part is not what format is used here but rather does this website/software support RTL or is it just regular unformatted ASCII.
Edit: it's still not ISO 8601 and it doesn't solve the sorting issue
Should work if you have an RTL invert character before, right? (Not that you could name files with the slashes.)
RTL invert characters are just for rendering purposes it doesn't help with sorting also in older systems sometimes it was not supported.
But if you type it as "[RTL invert]yyyy/mm/dd" it is automatically sorted correctly in ltr parsing systems but still displayed correctly (assuming it is supported which it seems to be on most devices nowadays).
You want it displayed as "yyyy/mm/dd" so it's actually "[RTL]dd/mm/yyyy"
Ah, I read the original comment backwards.
And, when the context of the year is understood, you can just drop it. At least Japanese does this (and I'm pretty sure Chinese does as well).
You shouldn't do that, because if you're writing it down it means you want to either refer to it later or have someone else refer to it later. The year changes and you're searching for that receipt or email... why set yourself up for failure?
BRB -- I have to tell the country of Japan they're doing dates wrong /s.
For the things I'm thinking about, the year generally doesn't matter. I'm thinking advertisements or even things that say like 'Spring 2025 menu 2025年の春メヌー' or something which preserves context. A lot are also written on shop whiteboards and such which are changed fairly regularly. In my own notes, in anything I may care about that far into the future, I do write the full date in ISO-8601
I try to do this, though I've only started relatively recently. I like my data.
Our lives involve computers to a huge degree.
Why is the format not:
2025/4/12
Biggest time frame to smallest time frame (year, month, then day)?
As a computer scientist, I've been doing this everywhere for over 10 years already. Be the change you want to see in the world.
I worked for a company that did their dates multiple ways and it was fucking impossible to know what date was what. It was super frustrating. I'd prefer this, but if you don't, at least keep it consistent once you start.
If a date starts with the year, everyone will know the thing after it is the month. I've never ever seen YYYY/DD/MM. That, to me, seems like it wouldn't add additional confusion at least.
They flipped month and day. If it was the year, you're right.
Issues with unix paths. I prefer 2025-04-12.
2009, got it
This is the way.
ISO8601 FTW!
Don't forget leading zeroes, we're not half assing this!
02025/04/012
ISO Tanf rise up.
Also 2025/04/12
In my computer engineering course this is literally how we were told to write the date on our lab reports.
my guess is order of relevance.
For written format that is ideal but when talking about a date, say in two weeks time, saying the year is redundant.
This is how I do it- my folders and files are super easy to find
Canada uses this
yyyy/mm/dd
Coldest take: if any common date format is difficult for you, you're a little bit ridiculous
It's all fun and games until someone drops a 7/4 and you don't know which country they're from
November 9 never forget.
Context clues are enough for me, 4/7 times
I only deal with people from one country, but I always write out the month so there's no confusion in important messages. Even including the day of the week as a type of verification.
I usually go for if it has a / its probably US date formate...
We use dots in our Locale
RIP Australia and our DD/MM/YYYY (and rest of the former British Empire I assume).
Drives me nuts when software doesn't properly localise.
Looking at you, Excel for web which defaults to MM/DD/YYYY in our company for some reason, even though the desktop app has no issues...
MM/DD/YYYY genuinely causes issues, because it's very easily misread by the rest of the world, and vise versa for Americans.
I have been mislead more than once, because the MM and DD are both ≤ 12.
MM/DD/YYYY needs to die
Month Day YYYY is fine, because it's unambiguous when the month is spelled out.
YYYY.MM.DD, or similar, is the only way to sort dates properly anyway.
I don't actually disagree with anything you said, I was just being a bit cheeky
Happy not allowed! There can only be one correct date format!
What Americans are calling people idiots for saying (day) of (month)? We say it both ways all the time. 4th of July, July 4th... it's not a complicated thing.
It’s like saying USAians don’t have a sense of humour. Some USAians are MAGAt knob heads, some are perfectly reasonable people. More or less like anywhere else.
That is a weird one: every other date is “normal” order but for some reason this is an exception. Also weird that we call it with backward date more often than its actual holiday name
We don’t say July 4 because that’s a normal date, we don’t say Independence Day because there are so many of those on different days for different countries.
What do you think of DD/HH/YYYY/Min/MM/Sec?
Could be improved by swapping hours and minutes. They are more important after all.
Also that way the time isn't in order anymore.
I like DD MON YYYY. Feels very grand and unambiguous, but people always look at me funny for using it.
I've been told I need to redo paperwork because I marked the date like 12APR2025.
I get standardization for computers, but for something a person is going to look at I feel like it's very direct, needs no explanation or interpretation. Anyone who sees it should be able to figure it out instantly.
To be fair I read it as 12A PR 2025 (yes I am stupid). It could also be the 12th version of the main PR of 2025. I'm not great with abbreviations and when it comes to months I'm also not used to it. Numbers seem superior to me.
There is very little room for interpretation even if you don't know the date format. That's BS.
With the way things are going over there, the whole thing falls apart soon enough and this issue can be fixed in the rebuild.
The holiday "The Fourth of July" happens on July 4th. Not hard.
We had one, yes, but what about fourth July?
To be fair the holiday is actually Independence Day
None of this dumb shits going to matter when the meteor sephiroth summoned blows the earth up
Of course it will still matter. You'll need a calendar just to time out the animation for that spell it's so fucking long.
I'm an American and do day/month/year.
I thought this was how it was done everywhere?
So the holiday that's coming up in a week... Is it 4/20, or 20/4?
4/20 blaze it.
You're Goddamn right.
Where in the US? I've never seen anything online where a US entity uses DD/MM/YYYY, or do you mean the month is spelled out?
We say it thats way for the benefit of the British.
Very independent.
Why can't we just call it Independence Day, that's what it's actually called
Sorry, that's copyrighted.
Don't you mean Eramicans?
Canada’s just like you have to guess
People mentioning ISOs are such forks and it's adorable
Don't mock them.
One day you will meet one in person and he'll beat you up if he's 7 foot, 3/5 thumbs and 2 elbows tall.
We write it how you'd say it. Outside of holidays or days of remembrance we write it how you say it.
For example today is 4/13/25. April 13th 2025. If you say the 13th of April you're fuckin weird.
And which do you ask more often what month is it or what day is it?
I don't understand how that's relevant?
That's how YOU say it. Personally, I would say the 10th of March, the 2nd of June. But then, I'm not American.