Mahmoud Khalil can be expelled for his beliefs alone, US government argues
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Where the fuck are the, "Mah rights!" people now that the government is actually trampling on the constitution?
Basically: "don't tread on me, tread on them!'
Deep-throating government boot-leather to clean off any leftover shreds and debris from said trampling.
Off starching their white hoods.
Never gave a fuck about the Constitution ever. Just wanted the ability to say and do hateful shit without repercussions.
Well you see "Mah Rights" are only for "us whites"
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"- Padme Amidala
You're focusing too much on the "rights" and not enough on the "Mah." Not "Our rights."
It was never about universal rights. They were pretty clear about them caring specifically and only about their rights.
Right, why won't the Republicans do something!!!
Not sure what else we can do
It's called thought crime.
The Thought Police have officially arrived and been christened in their duties... 🙄 🤡 🖕 🖕
"Christened" definitely being the operative word.
There’s a school of thought out there where only citizens have the full rights granted by the constitution…
Meanwhile there’s no such thing as precedent or rule of law…
It does not. Neither does it support the legal theories that led to Jan 6. But here we are.
Tell that to the moron MAGA supporters. They keep saying that the US Constitution is only for US citizens, no one else.
I guess they don’t know about, “WE THE PEOPLE”.
You and I are the only US citizens. Those people faked their documents. They can prove it if El Salvador is willing to un-deport them.
Which sucks because MAGA are the only people with enough will power to enforce these things.
Don’t see the word “citizen” in the first amendment.
Spoiler: even illegal immigrants are entitled to due process.
It's uh, likely why the word "due" is in the phrase.
That "school of thought" is just flat-out wrong. The Bill of Rights doesn't say what rights people have; it says what Congress cannot do. When Congress can't do it at all, who it can't do it to is irrelevant.
That school of thought would have to include the fact that if rights don't apply, neither do laws, and being "an illegal" wouldn't exist because those rights and laws no longer apply.
It falls apart when you spend 0 seconds thinking about it.
You mean the white house toilet paper?
Incredibly relevant Futurama: https://youtu.be/jpMvYzq4mGA
The 1st amendment is only effective if you have a government and a court that will enforce it.
We don't have that here in America.
In normal times I’d agree, however these times are anything but normal.
Oh has the Constitution been burned in effigy yet?
Punishing us for our thoughts is clearly established as the job of the church. This is a violation of separation of church and state.
Exactly. They’re using religious bias.
But it’s why my state can’t sell alcohol on Sunday and why people ban abortions and why they’re pushing prayer in school
They want to make the US a christian version of Iran
Without good food though
We have a few good Iranian restaurants.
with presidents going to church after being appointment that ship has sailed long time ago.
Expelled for believing that we shouldn't do genocide?
It's crazy isn't it?
No. He can't. Period.
He can. He shouldn't. But he can.
Unfortunately he can
Rubio is a fuck wad. All he can do is fuck off.
Also, first amendment.
No one enforcing = piece of irrelevant paper
Rules only matter as far as people in power are willing or able to enforce them
People with power. Not "in power."
Power isn't something bestowed upon you. It's something you can take. It's something We The People can take back, if we care to.
Free speech rights only apply to corporations.
"we're pleased to announce that we have created the corporations from 'Please Don't Create These Netrunner Corporations'."
So, a thought-crime?
Since we're just making up rules now... New rule...
Men with orange skin who are over 77 years of age and who happen to "have bone spurs" are now required to be greeted by a kick to their balls each time a new person enters the room.
If ONLY he Said that Nazis LOVED Jews instead of STOP KILLING KIDS he would be a Free American!
They deported people in the past for leftist beliefs and also had their citizenship stripped from them for such...
Id love examples. I'm naturalized leftie so I want to read up on this.
I also believe pretty much the same thing as Mahmoud Khalil so I have my go bag ready.
Emma Goldman and Mollie Steimer are on this list. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States
neither of these people were denaturalized for having leftist beliefs.
"Officially" maybe not, but Goldman was denaturalized like a decade after she should've been because the government wanted a reason to deport her and they couldn't while she was a US citizen. So they made her denaturalization retroactive. Steimer was denaturalized and deported for the "crime" of printing and distributing anti-war leaflets.
It was the carrot 🥕
THAT'S FASCIST!!!!!
This year's hot new game show! "Thaaat's FASCIST!"
You got them, they get so hurt every time we say this. It's totally working
Being a Nazi is just a belief system, and y'all wouldn't care if a Nazi got deported for being a Nazi.
He's not a Nazi, you dumb twit.
Nazis should be terminated, nevermind deported.
I don't believe he was arguing that Mahmound is a Nazi. He's noting that Trump, Elon, the far right etc... defend the hell out of Nazi's and white supremicists with "I'm not saying I agree with it, but I'll defend your right to say it, we're free speach purists", right up until someone with ideology that strongly opposes their views starts also talking... then it's shut him up, get rid of him.
I'm noting that Lemmy in general is perfectly fine with deporting people for their belief systems so long as it's shitty enough and in a flavor Lemmy hates. But there's plenty of flavors lemmey loves.
Lemmy loves communism, loves killing millions of people, especially Jews, loves racism, loves misgendering historical figures, I could probably go on. At this point, makes you wonder what Lemmy actually hates about Nazism, seeing as they love all the core tenets of killing Jews. Maybe it's the fact they did the impossible and left their mom's basement.
In any case, y'all don't care about deporting someone over beliefs, so stop lying.
Paging Mr Strawman. Mr Strawman please.
Kinda bullshit are you smoking to be so fucking incorrect?
This is why I love the left. You're all holed up in your silos and have no idea what the opposition to you actually believe. At the same time the opposition is actively expanding out so many people believe this sentiment and when the left are confronted with these things it's shocking to them. Meanwhile these ideas have become common.
There's just no resistance to them spreading ideas.
First: Nazi lives don't matter
Second:
Start proving this shit
Seriously, prove it. Now.
Save for the communism stuff, duh. "Oh no, the people own the means of production? How terrible!"
The rest, prove it.
::: spoiler . inb4 "I don't have to prove anything to you" or moving the goal posts :::
The comment is the proof. I can also go on to r/conservative or r/h3 to show similar ideas.
My point is, Lemmy and others on the left are so holed up in corners like Lemmy that they are unprepared to actually engage.
People on the left do not engage with the world. Second of all, calling everyone Nazi and fascists isn't doing Jack shit. Fucking evolve and adapt
What’s your instance, is reddthat federated with hexbear?
You didn’t complain about pedophilia so hopefully you’re at least defederated from that segment…
Hey have you been screenshotting all that holocaust denier kinda lunacy (assuming like “[let’s literally] kill Jewish people [for fun, meet at the synagogue]” and not “arrest BN for war crimes”)? I’m bouta report ‘em soon as I see that BS - ppl should hang for genocide but obviously Jews are neutral at worst and awesome at best. (Reminds me I wanna watch Larry David, one of the planet’s funniest and happens to be Jewish… ppl might post his gifs here btw so it’s not entirely a jerk-off-Hitler platform)
PS: sorry you’ve read calls to violence against innocent people
I haven't. Usually it's stuff like this post, where the guy in question wants to kill everyone in Israel, Jewish or not, and Lemmy thinks that's perfectly okay.
It's so infuriating, and it's the main reason I wouldn't recommend Lemmy to anyone these days.
Thanks for the reply.
Mahmoud Khalil, had to check. Where’d you read the “kill everyone”? Here’s my glance @ Wiki:
That makes him sound limpdick af, so wanna read where you see your news (not facetious)
He's the head of a group of called Cuad. They celebrated the Oct 7th terrorist attack and continue to be incredibly anti-Semitic.
Would you expect a Klan leader to be anti-racist?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_pro-Palestinian_campus_protests_and_occupations_during_the_Gaza_war
You're going to continue to be infuriated and further isolated if you continue to argue in bad faith that the people that call for an end to an apartheid system are antisemitic..
EDIT: Moreover, when I see people mad at people criticizing apartheid ethno-states, it's generally because they are racist against brown people.
If I followed your logic you would be, by definition, racist. And I would be publicly justified in calling you a bigot for your defense of apartheid.
Kinda shitty, right?
Maybe you shouldn't do that?
It's anti-Semitic to want to kill Jews. And guess what group this guy runs? Cuad, which wants to kill 7 million Jews.
And how am I racist by my own logic? I don't follow
If your evidence of anti-semitism is the phrase:
From the river to the Sea, Palestine will be free.
Then you're either delusional ( small chance ), or you're anti-semitically trying to link all Jewish people with a state that the largest humans rights organizations have labelled an apartheid state.
Why are you linking the actions of a state to a people? Are you trying to make those non-israeli Jewish people less safe by linking them to the actions of a genocidal apartheid state actively engaged in war crimes?
Why would you do such an antisemitic thing?
From the river to the sea means destroying Israel and killing every infidel there. Do you not understand their goals at all? It's not hard to Google translate their charters and articles.
The largest human rights org is the UN's, and it has Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates as members. They're not exactly unbiased.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
I'd care. As H. L. Mencken said:
Saving this quote
A belief system that wants people dead.
Nazi lives don't matter.
Found the Nazi!
Yeah, cause in a nazis belief system I should be enslaved or killed. There belief system is an existential threat to me, so yeah I'm not gonna cry if they're further away from me.
Mahmouds belief system is only an existential threat to the apartheid Israeli state.
That's not his belief system. He wants to kill everyone living in Israel, Jewish or not. Do you not know what "from the river to the sea" means?
It means calling for a one party state with equal rights for all. You know, what non-racist people should want. Guessing from your bad faith lies about that statement, I'm guessing that isn't you, though.
One of the last arguments defenders of apartheid systems like to use is: 'we can't give them equal rights. Do you know what they'll do to us? They might do to us what we did to them.'
Last time I heard this argument was from defenders of Apartheid South Africa about the ANC. Whom they also declared were terrorists.
You know, that racist shithole country whose final ally was Israel?
Apartheid countries like to stick together, I guess.
EDIT:
Do you think apartheid South Africa should have fought to maintain apartheid like Rhodesia did?
Why or why not?
Were the ANC arguing to kill all white people in South Africa when they argued for an end to an apartheid state?
How is that different from Israel?
If you're not an intellectual coward, you'll answer these questions, even if only to yourself.
EDIT EDIT: Holy crap you're a human walking contradiction. Based on your comments you're a pro-union anti-racist that is pro deportation without judicial process. You're also transphobic and racist against Chinese people.
You have no consistency to your ideological beliefs, like, AT ALL.
Yeah, it means the same thing as a song I was taught in elementary school:
From sea to shining sea,
Let freedom ring
It means let everyone in this land enjoy freedom. I suppose if your a cynical bastard you could say it means free of natives, but I don't think that's what the elementary schoolers, and everyone else who sings the song means.
Oh God no, what gave that idea? From the river to the sea means destroying Israel and killing every infidel there.
Actually now that I think about it, from sea to shining sea did involve killing a lot of native Americans. That actually lines up.