Why plans are already in motion for a Trump third term – no matter what the law says
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I don't think they're going to let a little thing like the laws get in the way of a good time.
How about a national militia of tesla burners?
I remember the Russian military recruitment offices burning these past years, and their railroads getting sabotaged.
The western press proudly stated "this is what happens when you don't allow people to protest, they turn to sabotage".
But I guess this administration missed the memo.
Lol, lmao even. There is, and will be, no "national militia." What's going to happen is that the American people will sit in their couches, maybe cry, and say "why is this happening to us, somebody save us." Anything that doesn't take effort.
We are quite factually already NOT doing that. Get involved with a movement before you post doomer shit like this. Remember, every war we ever lost has been against fighters that blend in with the population. Its why we lost Vietnam, why we lost in Bush's little scandal, and why they'll lose when Trump tries to do this. Our biggest hurdle isnt getting people off their asses.
"yeah this thread is discussing how the American people are actively burning teslas and dealerships and all that but ameriturds totally won't do anything"
I'm watching news every day about how the Turd Reich is cracking down on anything that opposes them, but yeah the people totally aren't doing a thing.
Like he’ll be alive in 4 years.
God, I wish that kid didn't miss.
So do I, but this problem is much bigger than one man. He could not do what he's doing without support from many rich donors and his party (which in turn relies on the support of the 30% of the country that reliably votes for them). Trump and many of his voters may be idiots but most of those other people are not, at least not in the intellectual sense of the word. They are making a calculated choice to enable fascism because they think it's better for them personally than democracy. That belief and it's associated threat to our country isn't going away when Trump dies. In fact, it might get much worse if they can find someone who can advance that agenda without being a bumbling fool most of the time.
Thankfully the French created a device that is perfect for solving such issues, we just require the societal will to do so.
I'm told we really shouldn't wish death on anybody... so I really wish he had gotten a bullet in his brain and been a vegetable hooked up to life support machines for many, many years.
I don't support the death penalty because those individuals are no threat to society, many of them are innocent, and the government shouldn't have that kind of power when it's unnecessary.
None of that applies. Also, I don't wish him dead. I just want him gone. The method of his removal is just a secondary concern.
I want him utterly embarrassed with no chance of being martyred, booted out in shame and even the most fanatic republican would turn him down a crust of bread. But for now a accept beer and whiskey/whisky.
This! If Trump leaves office in anything but shame and universal disapprobation, a new Trump with a different name but the same tactics will emerge. Americans need to learn the lesson for this madness to end.
I would love to see him pile into a spaceship with Musk to Mars. They can rule Mars.
He still would have been elected in that case, and all the project 2025 executive orders would be identical.
Yes, but if Trump refuses to leave office then he will need some serious guards. My understanding of the Constitution is that he becomes a domestic threat at that point and "fighting him" is technically legal ... and required by anyone that took an oath to defend the Constitution.
Technically he's barred from office per the 14th amendment.
Technically is great until it's ignored.
I'm pretty sure the Founders were under the impression that we'd rewrite the Constitution periodically when we discovered loopholes or other new problems they didn't foresee.
You mean like how every other country handles their constitution? That's crazy talk.
You mean like all the amendments?
I do not, nor did they.
A whole lotta idiots think that our Constitution was divinely inspired by the character of Jesus from their storybooks and that it should never be changed. Of course, many of these very same idiots think this is a xtian nation.
It is impossible to write an eternal constitution. Believing that is the biggest flaw of the American mindset.
Ideally the courts would rule on it and it would be up to congress with a supermajority to reverse it.
To be clear, a court did rule that he committed treason and was barred from running. SCOTUS did not say they were wrong, they only stated that they (the fucking courts) did not have the power to APPLY THE CONSTITUTION.
So yeah. It would be up to the courts to apply the constitution and SCOTUS would have the final word. I'm not sure why it would be any different from any other ammendment.
It should be up SCOTUS to validate or invalidate Colorado's findings. It would never be Colorado as the final word. That's how the courts already work. Lower courts rule and higher courts can take further action if needed.
I'm all for SCOTUS reform though.
ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed for senate! Hmm, I think we're gonna need you a new name, bud.
"I'm sure THIS will be the time he faces consequences for blatantly regarding both law and custom! Institutional inertia will protect us now for sure!" say a bunch of ignorant shitlibs for the 1,293,762nd time.
I first took that oath 20 years ago. If orange idiot refuses to leave, I will be exercising my constitutional legal actions.
25 years ago here. I guess we get to see if youth and zeal can beat experience and underhanded tactics :)
Never took an oath, but I'd stand beside you.
The constitution means whatever the guy with the biggest guns says it means.
He's already a domestic threat, he doesn't care about the Constitution or laws
Don't all Americans take that oath every day in school?
Just remember, if his new administration has proven anything, it is that the difference between legal and illegal in the American political system is mostly down to everyone being willing to go along with that law. There is very little actual teeth behind a lot of it at the high up federal level.
So it might be unconstitutional for him to run again, but who is actually going stop him? He has more guns and more sycophants than the court system.
Only applies to rich people and cops. For the rest of us, we have to follow the law.
Both sides, am I right?
Not both sides. One side and their controlled opposition.
It's an article about Trump being a turd. Do we have to get mad about something a Democrat might do, but hasn't done?
No, but don't try to paint people's legitimate frustration with the party as both sides rhetoric.
Clever rhetoric, but that was a reference to the comment assuming Schumer would say something he almost certainly won't say.
"Maybe someday they'll let a Democrat be president for three terms!"
Obviously there is a constitutional amendment now, but you know that has happened, right?
Twenty-Second Amendment
Section 1
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
Section 2
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
Supreme court:
Amendment schmamendment.
To make this explicit, the law is what Trump and his merry band of miscreants say it is, unless we're willing to step up as a country and say 'No it isn't' and back those words up with action, if needed. All the words in the Constitution are is ink on a piece of paper, unless we're willing to stand and fight for them.
If you are looking for a loophole, I think there is an argument to be made that if he is elected to the office of the vice president and the president steps down, that would allow a “3rd term”.
I would love to be wrong, but I wouldn’t be shocked if that is the play.
Edit: dhork points out the 12th amendment should block this.
The 12th amendment states
That seems pretty definitive. The only attack to it I can see (and it's total bullshit) is that the Originalists on this court may insist on interpreting this amendment based on the state of the Constitution when it was ratified in 1804, and the term limits weren't passed until 1952.
The way around that is making him speaker of the house and having both the president and vice president resign. Speaker doesn't have any real requirements on it.
The Constitution leaves what happens if the Presidency and VP are both vacant at the same time up to Congress, and Congress has passed various Presidential Succession Acts, the most recent being 1947. The language in that Act specifically exempts anyone who would otherwise be ineligible from becoming President.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Succession_Act
And this has been enforced in the past; Cabinet Secretaries who were not natural-born citizens have not been included in the succession list. I remember specifically that when Madeline Albright was Clinton's Secretary of State, she was not on the list because she was born in Prague.
I vaguely remember Trump briefly trying to be speaker of the house at some point, or at least talking about it.
From what I remember MTG nominated him during the McCarthy drama but it was just to add to the drama.
It's been floated around for a bunch of politicians. They were talking about making Hillary speaker while impeaching Trump and Pence too.
TIL! Thanks!
This is just 1 amendment, though. They break 3 every time they disappear a US resident for dissidence.
But if they are biologically DNA transformed from one gender to another, then they can? Or if trumpfus is born again in the Buddhist sense but in Christianity while doing a ruzzian adult film star? Then he can?
'When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.' - Maya Angelou
Dude straight up just says it and nobody gives a fuck.
I remember when Republicans used to say things like "if you threaten my consitumitutional rights I will fight you to the end"
but this IS the end
And they are fighting. Just for the wrong side. Can't wait to see how fast they crumple in the face of righteous physical anger.
Keyword is MY not your
The comments seem to be missing the fact that elections are state run, so if he is allowed to run a third time, it won't be him that broke the law it will be the states and their reps.
Ye olde civil war time
Canuck here. When is the Civil War kicking off? I'm sure they'll be a fair number of Canadians who will come and help remove him from office. We'll for sure send some of our highly trained Canadian Geese to assist lol
When the Civil War happened there was a somewhat clear division between northern and southern states due to slavery, but now that division is between neighborhoods and houses, amongst families and coworkers. Add that into life in a surveillance state and it's going to be hard for a civil war to gain traction I think. But I'm sure any day now those 2A nuts are going to go up against the tyrannical government they have been prepping for, right?!
The people who care the most about saving this country have the most to lose, while those who lick the boots of the fascists are too mentally and physically infirm to fight.
So yeah, the answer is never. Sorry.
Especially when one of the boot lickers is the ranking member of party that should be making the most noise right now. Instead they support the Cheeto with more budget to keep working on ripping the country apart as well as pushing it's closest allies away.
Can y'all train the geese to burn down the white house?
We can't even train them not to shit all over the sidwalk, so probably not.
This explains so damned much of their behavior. I for one look forward to these operatives helping us out with our myriad domestic issues.
The party who should be starting the civil war has spent the last two generations screeching about how evil it is to arm yourself.
You really just need one angry mounty.
Perhaps there is an reincarnation of Saint Olga in Canada? I bet she would be more than happy to deploy pigeons as self-guiding munitions, with geese serving as living drones on the battlefield.
Puppet History Theater: The Bloody Revenge of Saint Olga of Kiev
If we’re sharing articles can we make the effort to add a couple relevant paragraphs under the headline? Otherwise the discussion ends up being about the headline and often innaccurate.
You’d think that the absence of the word “consecutive” and the phrase “no… more than twice” would mean quite clearly that it’s two terms period, not one, plus two consecutive terms.
Unless, of course, these fuckheads are arguing that consecutive terms count as one.
Fuck.
If consecutives terms would count as one then Obama could run again.
No, no. You see, you have to serve one term, skip one, and then serve two.
Or, just be republican.
Ill try to do that but... People should also read the article before before impulse commenting.
As someone who’se shared hundreds of articles on reddit then lemmy.
Good luck getting more than 1% to read the article. People want headlines, scrollable information bits that they can instinctively react on.
That’s why paragraphs under are useful. Makes people atleast read those before commenting a gut reaction to an oversimplified headline.
You mean The Third Reich ?
Remember: The Nazis never officially abolished the democratic Weimar constitution. They just hollowed it out until it was completely ineffectual
A24 wasn't supposed to do a documentary of our near future...
Conservative don't like bypassing term limit. Conservative subreddit are already not happy. So yep it's matter of time some maga nut bag will revolt against him.
I hope the republicans have better aim this time.
I don't say anything on reddit.
Out of solidarity can someone take a shot at Spez as well?
Am I OOTL on this?
The guy who almost Luigi'd him was a Republican.
One already tried to shoot him.
Conservatives WILL like it when their media tells them how to justify/spin it.
Yeah. Outrage now doesn't mean outrage when it matters. Things will look very different in 4 years and conservatives always seem willing to fall in line.
It all depends on how they spin it
Trump already looks 20 years older 2 months into his second presidency. Look at pictures of him yesterday. How on earth would he even run for a third term, physically I mean? He will be the oldest president EVER by the time his term ends. 2 Years older than Biden when he left. A third term would serve no one but the actual rulers Peter Thiel and Musk behind him....oh.
Just a bigger stick up his ass with longer strings that goes higher up.
I think you're onto something... Thiel and the billionaires who bankrolled JD Vance knew exactly what they were doing when they made a deal with Trump for the VP seat.
tinfoil hat time: they will keep Trump for as long as he serves them, then it's 25th amendment time, and then theyll have their boy JD in power. even if it's only the remaining term, it'll be long enough to get the pieces into play for their ancap fantasies of a balkanized USA, with different CEOs over regional corporate fiefdoms.
No tinfoil needed, but keep it because you're right and the government might microwave you to death now.
Do you remember how and why JD Vance was picked as Trumps running mate? Despite you know...everything Vance said about Trump before then? Donald barely even knew him. But his son did. Via Thiel. They will 100% get rid of Trump if he ever steps out of line, and he knows it.
Trump will be 25th on January 20th 2027, if the Cheeseburger or a Luigi doesn't get to him first.
Trump is just a sock puppet for the corporations and ideological doom players behind him. He has no idea what's going on most of the time.
Everyday, I'm surprised trump hasn't farted himself to death yet.
"President died of excessive flatulence! Vice president JD Vance vows tough retaliation against Big Farta (and Iran for some reason)" would be the correct headline for this clown world timeline.
Weird, guy who breaks laws with impunity doesn't care about laws.
Don't depend on this. I didn't expect him to survive his first term, but there's something about evil that seems to keep the body animated long past its best-by date.
Indeed, kenneth copeland is still alive
yeah, look at how evil RFK jr looks.
Why? Because no matter how much the unhinged right, many "centrists", and some of the leftists and a lot of the corporate media mocked those among the Democrats that said democracy is at risk....it is.
At risk? It's dead no matter what party. It's time to start rebuilding.
Obama would kick his ass
If I understand correctly, the magoffs like Bannon want to craft it to exclude Obama (and Bill Clinton and W) but include donvict.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-third-term-proposal-has-clause-stop-barack-obama-running-2020334
For me not for thee...
And stick his tongue in.
The dude is on IVs. Will he even survive till then?
https://youtu.be/FSrXEQKo7w8
They would genuinely pull a weekend at Bernie's or use a body double if they had to.
They kind of already are. It’s thought that 45 is developing dementia. 45 talks differently than he has ten years ago. People dismiss it because he’s always been out there, but he’s definitely declined.
When his father, Fred Trump, developed dementia he was given a fake office and fake papers to keep him busy. 45’s papers aren’t fake but people behind the scenes are manipulating him.
Oh, I know, but that is more of a figurative weekend at Bernie's. I'm saying that they would literally wheel around a corpse if they felt they had to. They would hollow him out and turn him into some sort of animatronics controlled marionette if they could or just make a silicone shell for the literal puppet.
MAGA wouldn’t be able to tell the difference lmao.
Where'd you hear this?
He keeps getting a bruise on his hand. People have also noted Trump has lost weight.
Haha, this is the first I have heard of it. They should have come out and said "He needed an IV". Because if his hand is getting bruised like that just by shaking hands, he has much worse medical problems....
Admission of anything is a sign of "weakness."
Roman math = Three & a turd
This has always been the plan. Orange Turd dictator for life.
I hope if they attempt this that us on the left will have our own January 6th?
Or maybe eternity. Skulls for the skull throne.
If Trump was elected in the 80s, he wouldn't be alive long enough to change the name plate of the oval office desk. We're living through such a wild time in history.
Everyone knows "why". The question is "how". How are they preparing for a third term? We all know they are.
It's really simple, and I don't know why it isn't obvious to everyone. The Republican party will simply refuse to run a candidate. They will claim that the country is under hostile occupation by Marxists who are attempting to destroy the United States from within and just refuse to leave office directly after the mid-terms (if we even make it that far before he declares war & martial law).
They don't need to cancel anything. What will happen is they will refuse to leave unless they are removed by force. At that point, it doesn't fucking matter what happens with the election because there is no legal mechanism to enforce the removal of the regime. They are going to dare the courts, the police, and the military to forcibly remove them, which we all know will not happen. Then just rule by fiat forever.
The End.
Nope
A turd term
Reading this thread makes me love lemmings.
His mind is already mush and in four years, it’d be a terrible Weekend at Bernie’s sequel.
Rage bait.
It hasn’t even been 2 months calm down. Whats the over under on him living that long
Not sure. Seems like evil people live forever.
Yeah, look at Kissinger.