Sen. Lindsey Graham: A pause in U.S. help for Ukraine could be 'worse than Afghanistan'
Summary
Sen. Lindsey Graham warned that halting U.S. military aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine could be “worse than Afghanistan.”
He urged continued support until a ceasefire is reached and announced plans for sanctions on Russia’s banking and energy sectors.
The Trump administration paused aid after a heated Oval Office meeting where Trump and JD Vance clashed with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy. Russia escalated attacks following the fallout.
U.S. and Ukrainian officials will meet in Saudi Arabia to discuss a minerals deal and ceasefire, while Trump seeks further concessions from Ukraine.
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Hey buddy, wanna find that fucking backbone during confirmation hearings?
Lindsey Graham has always and will always stand for the military industrial complex and is consistently hawkish. He's shaking in his little meemaw's booties because a cessation of aid means a drop in contractor spending.
-Lindsey Graham the day of Trump/Zelensky meeting where Trump threw a bitch fit.
He's a flip flopping piece of shit. He supports Ukraine but wants the man fighting for them to step down. Zelensky stepping down is basically throwing in the towel. They just want a fucking compliant leader who will do what they say.
Leader worship is not wise. Also Zelensky pressed out Zaluzhny.
And no, I think they really want a ceasefire, not a surrender. On terms good enough for the US, but maybe Ukraine would hope for better terms. Ukraine right now appears less dependent on foreign military assistance than in 2022, so it can "negotiate" this way a bit.
Of course they want a compliant puppet, that's not in question. Just - the Ukrainian war seems stabilized. Russia has seen the limits of its abilities, and there seems to be an opportunity for ceasefire and negotiations. Trying to return all the occupied territory for Ukraine is the perfect which is the enemy of the good.
I feel like you’d have a different stance on this if you were Ukrainian
Why? I think an Ukrainian would be even more keen on that. Ukrainians bear the main cost of war. It would make sense for the majority of them to wish for a ceasefire even more than for Trump. Bear in mind that many Ukrainians in the Web are refugees elsewhere, so they might seem very emotional and aggressive and irresponsible, it's very easy to call for total war over the Web from another country.
You don't know what total war means, just FYI.
You should pass the dendropithecus level in this game before giving FYIs.
Hyperbola is a thing in texts.
Exponential graphing? Or do you mean hyperbole?
Why? Russia has never honored a ceasefire. Within a few months or years Russia is back to seize more Ukrainian land. Why on Earth does anyone believe Russia would honor one now?
Because Russia needs a ceasefire "saving face" for its "elite", in fact it's, of course, not about saving face, their face is covered with piss, but about persuading themselves. I don't think there are many war goals to be reached with further fighting. Russian and Ukrainian militaries now have something resembling parity in terms of professionalism and processes. Basically a huge polygon to train two armies. It just doesn't make sense for them to fight each other IMHO.
Anyway, with what Western-supported jihadist government is now doing in Syria (literally massacring Alawites and Christians on the coast, the EU has literally condemned Alawites for "rebelling", accused them of massacring themselves and called them Assad supporters, Russia has released something meaningless, France and Greece some good words, but without actions, there's been a UNSC meeting which ended with nothing ; there are a few thousands of people hiding on the Russian base, but Russia doesn't have a good history at delivering on at least such expectations ; the last numbers of the dead I've seen were 7k-10k, 2 days ago, but nothing has stopped, apparently, and since Syria's "new authorities" are already trying to persuade those refugees to leave the base, it appears they've killed much more), it's the first time since 2022 that I started doubting that Russia is the bad boy here. Maybe those in Kremlin knew something I didn't, having intelligence services and all that.
Maybe the West is evil and Russia is virtuous for the sole reason it's not part of the West.
Russia fights for domestic political reasons. Ukrainians fight to avoid annihilation. If Ukraine stops fighting there will no longer be a meaningful Ukraine. Ukraine doesn't have the option to stop fighting.
Next for your tangent, that's a gold medal performance in metal gymnastics to get where you got.
First, we're talking geopolitics here. There is no single "good" side and no single "evil" side. All sides will do things judged by others as evil. Second, to suggest russia is virtuous even by itself, is insultingly silly.
Now you push back?! Fuck you Lindsey. You are a traitorous peace of shit and no one will remember you
Wasn't he praising little d just last week on this very thing?
Yeah, it wasn't a disaster or over the top because of anything little d or "JD" "Vance" did during their planned ambush of a guy trying to fight off a dictator invading his country. Not according to Lindsey. Last week, anyway.
Lindsey Graham has flip flopped on Ukraine with dizzying frequency since January 20
I hate Lindsey Graham. I hate him more than the idiots who just blatantly go along with anything Trump says.
He'll push back just so and contradict Trump a little bit, just enough to make it clear that he is not completely devoid of sense or sanity, but when push comes to shove he'll fall in line. It's like he's trying to make sure history books don't lump him in with the full blown fascists. The fact that he does seem to comprehend how disastrous everything Trump does is makes the fact he eventually goes along with it more egregious than if he were just another empty suit going along with the cult.
I genuinely don't know what happens in this man's head.
He will loudly and sometimes correctly call out Trump. He will say something mostly accurate about how if Trump does XYZ, it will be a bad thing. And often that is right, I might not agree on how he came to the conclusion of why but it is often correct.
And then he just... Votes yes on it? Like is he two faced for the press and congressional floor, or is he genuinely afraid of ever voting no to something Republicans want?
And I'm supposed to take him seriously because?...
This is just what he's saying today, already weeks late mind you. He'll be singing different soon.
I doubt even Republicans take Lady G seriously.
This is the same Lindsey Graham that called Trump's manufactured temper tantrum an outrage that Zelensky was the sole person responsible for.
Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with an elf.
you won't. he'll switch sides the next time he's in bluetooth range to krasnov
there are a few old school, russia-hating republicans still left in congress. they just also hate a few other things closer-to-home a bit more to actually do something about the track the administration is sending us down.
How about some ladybugs?
In exactly 6 hours he’s going to have a 25 item list of why this is now a good thing. play both sides so he can always get fucked just how he likes.
Huh... I didn't expect Graham to regurgitate a position opposing Trump and Russia.
Somebody must've outbid the oligarchs....
Trump thinks he fixed afghanistan.
And every US president since Bush thought, that they were fixing Afghanistan. And it let nowhere, except killing a lot of people and wasting a lot of tax payer money, aka. enriching the MIC buddies of the Republican and Democrat party.
Pulling out of Afghanistan was reasonable. The US should have learned since Vietnam, that they are not fixing anything with invading other countries and forcing a regime change. However they also don't want to fix anything. They want to destabilize and destroy, to prevent regions from emerging as economic and strategic competitors and to enrich their MIC buddies.
Also Vietnam was not a war fought primarily against North Vietnam, it was fought against the civilian resistance against the French/US installed colonial regime in South Vietnam.
No they claimed they had a plan. The orange turd thinks he really fixed it. The US should have learned something from Vietnam but none of that stuff you are talking about.
Do you really think, you fat traitorous fuck?
Fucking windsock
Lindsey, just a few days ago:
Key bit: “ he urged support until a ceasefire is reached….”
Anyone remember what happened in Georgia when a ceasefire was reached?
Why go so far? Ukraine had a ceasefire with Russia between 2019 and 2022. There were even working mechanisms to deal with conflicts. Russia showed it can't be trusted.
The Ukrainian government made no effort to implement Minsk II, had it been implemented then this war would likely not have happened.
Minsk explicity stated that elections come first and then withdrawal. Ukraine wanted Russia to withdraw first before allowing elections in the DPR and LPR which was against the agreement.
Ukraine also had the obligation to uphold linguistic rights to ethnic minorities but violated the Minsk Agreements with the 2019 language law which didn’t outright ban the Russian language but did discriminate against those who did not speak Ukrainian or an EU language.
Zelenskyy initially did campaign on a pro-peace platform but he was quickly pressured by far right militias to do otherwise.
You mean the law regarding Crimea and Donbas that Europe persuaded Ukraine to withdraw a month before Nazi Russia decided to violate the ceasefire? That's a great example of the ceasefire mechanisms working.
The language law was only approved after the invasion, and given the Ruskyy Mir speech, it's not surprising Ukraine is not comfortable with promoting Russian inside their borders.
Yes, problem is that despite the 26 January 2022 Normandy Format meeting that resulted in this, Russia received no words about Ukraine's readiness to swiftly start the implementation of the Minsk agreements.
Zelenskyy himself even admitted that he never intended to implement Minsk.
What do you mean? It was declared effective on 16 July 2019.
I think you are confusing the 2019 law with the 19 June 2022 restriction on Russian books and music.
You mean Nazi Ukraine?
Is Russia composed of Nazis?
No
Why the fuck does one person have the authority to make these calls anyway.
With these comments it's difficult to tell whose cock he's gargling.
Lindsay Graham is a bitch
Oh hey look he found one of his vertebrae.
Did they fire the large hadron collider again?!