If I was buying something, literally anything, and the people I am buying from make me sign a thing that said I couldn't sell the thing I am buying for X period of time after buying it, that would be a major red flag to me that perhaps this product is actually a huge piece of shit because they're already worried I will try to get rid of it within X amount of time.
What if I think it’d be cool to have a supercar, but the only thing holding me back is the money, but I’m not a dick? I just think they’re neat, but in the event that I’d have enough to afford one, I’d probably still go with something practical. I’ll never have that kind of money anyway, so this is all purely hypothetical.
I want a 2008 Miata. A 4 cylinder manual with a couple hundred horsepower that doesn't weigh very much and has a suspension someone thought about for a little while and a sticker price of $25 grand, and it'll probably make better gas mileage than the old Buick Century I drive to the store today just on weight alone.
Like, if you said "2008 Miata, or a Pigani Zonda. Choose one and it's yours for $25,000, but the terms are you have to own and drive it you can't just sell it" I'm going for the Mazda.
Pretty easy and cheap to maintain for the most part, just don't damage the body cuz that's where it gets expensive and takes forever to replace, for example, the entire front half which is one piece.
Had one for two years. LOVED it. Highly recommend, tho a used Cayman may be a more practical and less worrisome alternative
If my not understanding and calling out the opaque calculations that turn "someone liking cool, fast machines" into a "dick" makes me a dick, then sure. Whatever.
I also don't see how asking about one person's rationale equates to "defending" another different group of people. But I guess questioning this rationale will make me a double-dick.
If you give me two more questionable statements, I can try to get the echidna before I get bored of this.
Yeah honestly I wish more products had laws like this. Or, actually, the rule should be you can't sell it at a higher price within a certain time frame, because that's a better indicator of scalping.
I've been wanting to buy one of the B580 GPU's intel released, but as soon as there's stock it immediately gets bought out and resold on amazon at a 150$ markup. I can't think of any other rule that would effectively stop this behavior.
Nothing made me happier than the photos of BOXES AND BOXES of 20 series Nvidia cards just fucking stacked to the ceiling when the 30 series was released. Or maybe it was 30s when 40s were released. Either way. Get bent, L scalpers.
It would have been nice if they had done that with PS5s or concert tickets. It's less about being forced to keep a crappy item and more about not artificially inflating prices on it (by buying out the stock and reselling).
That argument would make sense if anybody was actually scalping swasticars, but they’re currently piling up and rusting away unsold. They really put the cart before the horse.
That last part is so dumb. How on earth do you not realize you are buying into a scam pyramid scheme type thing with something like that in the contract.
Bought the car just to get attention and you're getting the attention. I don't see the problem. You got exactly what you wanted. It's a fuck ugly car that's shit quality. You bought it just because you wanted to be noticed. Well, play dumb games, win dumb prizes.
More like, idiots destroy our cities and towns with their giant wankpanzers and then they cry like babies when people fight back.
If you don't want people to destroy your swatzicar then 1. don't buy a nazi vehicle and 2. Don't buy a truck with the highest traffic fatality rate of any vehicle. Your freedom of self expression ends where your choice kills other people
Sorry, no sympathy. I have some sympathy for the Tesla owners who bought theirs years ago before Musk went completely mask off. But Musk has been an overt Nazi since the first cybertruck was released. Do you know what you call an Apartheid baby that platforms and massively promotes Nazis in the name of "free speech" while censoring other voices (see 'cis' as a slur). You call them a Nazi. Musk has been dealing in overt racism, malignant transphobia, and eugenics for years now. If you simply didn't care about this, and still gave that many $100k of your money? I'm sorry, but you just gave $100k to a man you knew was a Nazi. You're a literal Nazi sympathizer. Or, at best, you're a person who cares so little about fighting Nazis that you will willingly give the nation's most prominent Nazi a hundred grand.
So yes, it is absolutely is fair to judge people who bought a cybertruck. They're Nazi sympathizers. I don't know if I would personally engage in such vandalism. But if I was on a jury with such a case before me, I would certainly be practicing jury nullification. Some paint or flat tires is a fraction of what a car like that deserves. That thing should be burned to ashes. That is what should really be done to Nazi symbols like the cybertruck. Here in 2025, if you are driving a cybertruck. There is no way for you to have that vehicle without having every chance in the world to see buying it directly supports Nazis. Every cybertruck is already a rolling swastika.
Given how many issues it has had so far, doesn't that place it on the opposite side of the spectrum from the Hilux? Isn't this akin to submitting a tiny, rotten tomato into a worlds biggest vegetable competition?
I'm doing research on stainless steel art - what would you say is the most effective house appliance for staining it? Particularly the same stainless steel the swasticar is using.
Vandalism is not assault, and while buying a swasticar isn't a crime per se I certainly wouldn't call the people who bought them innocent. It was never even a good truck. There's literally no reason to buy one of these things other than to force other people to witness how much of a chode you are.
Glad I’m the the only one who remembers the pedo accusations. All because he couldn’t use his sub in that cave 🤣 that was my indicator not trust him. Back then I was genuinely hopeful that Musk would do good. But here we are.
From a purely legal perspective, I'm curious if the contract would hold up in court, considering there is a concerted campaign of vandalism against the cars.
Yeah, sounds like a great policy that helps disappointed customers from making further mistakes. As fucked up as this is to say... thanks Elon? shudder
I do, if the guy bought his shitup truck before it was widely known that Musk was a nazi ballroot. If they bought it in the last year or two, then I don't really mind that much. I wouldn't vandalise someone's property myself, but I won't be losing much sleep over it.
The Cybertruck in particular is very much a Musk Mobile, it's linked quite closely to his public persona and buying one is you telling the world that you admire and want to emulate Musk in some way, or at least be a part of the Musk Fan Club. It would be like if Hitler signed off on a fancy Führer Ford Focus, then cunts started buying it and showing it off. No shits to give for vandalisation in that case.
But this is specifically about flaming it as a Nazi vehicle. Cybertrucks were on the street before he started interfering with elections and heil'ing in conferences. Unless I missed the part where the post said they got they Swastikar in the last 3 months, this is attacking someone with too much money who may or may not have spent it on a joke they could drive.
Maybe there was Musk media I chose not to ingest but, around the Twitter acquistion, we knew he was an alt-right manchild with a paper-thin ego, a backwards conception of "free-speech", and too much money. Certainly, a piddling, pervert wannabe sniffing around the locker-room of authoritarianism.
Maybe practicing for major-league fascism, but he wasn't swinging for the team.
I think the moment CT became available it was very clear who Phony Stark is. Maybe he didn't do the Nazi salute at the time, but everything else was still valid.
Never heard of having to sign a contract like that for a simple vehicle purchase, that is insane. Wonder if they implemented that after the string of "obvious lack of quality assurance testing" type failures popping up on social media
Yes, Cybertrucks kill pedestrians and cyclists at much higher rates than smaller cars, but that doesn't mean we should kill CT owners for destroying our towns and cities
If the plan is valid and covers fire damage, yup. You'd still have to argue with them like any other time you make an insurance claim. Now will insurance companies write or renew Cyber Trucks, I'll assume yes but at higher rates.
Do I feel bad they bought a shit car with shit terms? No. He should have been smarter.
Do I feel bad people are targeting his car because of something someone else did? Yes.
It's not like he wrapped the car with a bunch of inflammatory imagery like I've seen some have. He's just got his stupid car and people are fucking with it. This doesn't help crash Tesla. It doesn't hurt Tesla at all. It's misdirected.
Got after Tesla charge stations instead. Go after the dealerships. Go after Elon.
It's not like he wrapped the car with a bunch of inflammatory imagery like I've seen some have.
I would argue that the car itself is inflammatory to anyone who believes he's a fascist.
He's just got his stupid car and people are fucking with it.
If goebbels had a car company and you bought a car from him, fully knowing he was a Nazi...... I would probably say there's a pretty high chance you are also a Nazi.
This doesn't help crash Tesla. It doesn't hurt Tesla at all. It's misdirected.
If your car gets trashed every time you take it out because of the public's disdain for its CEO, are you going to buy another?
If goebbels had a car company and you bought a car from him, fully knowing he was a Nazi… I would probably say there’s a pretty high chance you are also a Nazi.
I agree. But many of these CTs were sold well before Musk went all Nazi.
He's been a weirdo for years, but that's somewhat understandable when people get a fuck ton of money. Look at John McAfee.
Yes, trashing Tesla's makes people not want to buy them. I just think trashing the Tesla infrastructure is better.
Please don't go after the charge stations. Other car brands use them, and Teslas use non-Tesla charging stations as well. It's kind of a free for all with chargers.
The other Tesla models, I get many people bought it for its EV properties, like people don't wonder about the views of the CEO of general motors, Toyota etc. in their car purchases. The cybertruck it is very clear that one bought in Musk's specific visions, so it's fairer game.
Aren't you hurting the person by harming their property?
I'm asking if we can go after every American since America does shit things? So spray paint their doors and houses, throw paint on their clothes, dump garbage in front of their doors.
Obviously thats silly because we don't know if that particular American supports the fascist right running the USA. It's also silly saying wrecking every Tesla is right.
Aren't you hurting the person by harming their property?
Lol, no. Property does not have feelings, nor is a person driving a near 6 figure vanity truck going to experience undue financial instability by having their property vandalized.
I'm asking if we can go after every American since America does shit things?
Another false equivocation........ Did every American choose to be American? Or do you think being born is the same as choosing to empower a fascist?
Obviously thats silly because we don't know if that particular American supports the fascist right running the USA.
No, it's just a stupid comparison to begin with. Again, the important aspect you continue to ignore is that owning a particular piece of property is a choice, and the people who can afford cyber trucks aren't going to be financially destroyed by buying a different car. Meaning they choose to perpetuate their choice.
So you're just ignoring the rest of the argument.........?
Again, your claim only contains an iota of weight if you grossly over generalize and disregard nuance.
A home is not the same as a luxury vehicle. My home wasn't built by a neo Nazi, nor does it enrich a neo Nazi. My home hasn't been turned into a dog whistle for fascist who want to enrich their favorite neo Nazi. You do not become homeless when someone vandalizes your 100k vanity truck....
If you for some reason vandalized my house with graffiti....I would simply power wash it. I would not claim that I've personally been harmed, because I am not my property.
It's more like if a billionaires 3rd mansion gets burned down, you're not really that sorry for them are you? It's a magnitude of difference as to how it effects someone, and I don't see any lower middle class people driving cyber trucks.
Maybe I'll get flamed for this, but yes, target random Americans for their government's behavior is normal and effective, depending on where you are.
The idea that protest can succeed without causing trouble for someone is naive.
Yeah, if I went to Afghanistan in 2003 i'd expect to be targeted as an American, regardless of my personal opinions.
And so if I were personally invested in visiting somewhere, but found out it's dangerous for Americans, that would definitely impact my opinion of the current leadership and what I'm going to do about it.
People tend not to actually change unless there's a strong motivation. Not being able to go places you want to go, own things you want to own safely, or simply exist without being hated are some of the oldest reasons why a populace might rise up against their government
I dont know how you got that message from what I said. Canadian, american, icelandic tesla's are all fair game. If you're asking if hurting americans is free game, then you completely misinterpreted what I was saying
I do feel sorry for Tesla owners - pre 2025. People bought Teslas in good faith believing this company was heralding green, emissions free vehicles. Which it more or less did. They weren't expecting the CEO would out himself as a Nazi even if there were clues he was a terrible piece of shit. Being an asshole is one thing but Musk out-Henry Ford'ed Henry Ford.
So if you're going to discriminate, target >= 2025 owners where this is common knowledge, not those before. That said, the Cybertruck is and was a fucking terrible vehicle and deserves criticism on its own awfulness outside of any political dimension.
I mostly agree, but I'd set the cutoff date sometime around 2023, maybe up until 2024 for someone completely checked out of the Internet and/or Elon's bullshit. It's part of why the CT is targeted so much in this way, but not the model 3 or S. There are a lot of people who just wanted an electric vehicle when Tesla looked like one of the more compelling options (mostly due to marketing than actual features/reliability but what can you do about that in hindsight).
Elon is not Tesla but Tesla absolutely is Elon. Tesla might be able to survive elon, but if Tesla goes bankrupt, elon will loose a huge chunk of his power. He is the "richest" man only because of incredibly overinflated Tesla stock.
Everything that huts Tesla is good for democracy, freedom and the whole world!
Well more like pre-2022, back when it was still somewhat hopeful that the cars weren't badly made and the rest of the car market is not rapidly pulling away from Tesla since they have actual QA and actual R&D and stuff. Which was expected to happen anyways, Tesla was struggling to actually build actual cars in any year after all.
But ignoring the technical side for a moment, past ~early 2024 any newly bought Tesla just loudly heralds that you like supporting Nazi Boi.
So what they said way the contract won't let them sell within a year. So they got this recently. There's no way you couldn't know about Musk being a shit this recently, so fuckem, you gave the Nazi money.
Having bad taste in vehicles and too much money to spend on stupid things doesn't really warrant destruction of property. Being mostly unaware of the political statements of a CEO (which, at the time of the Cybertruck's release or when people were ordering it he wasn't nearly as deep into this crap as he is now) isn't really a crime either...
Yeah but consistently sabotaging Cybertrucks is a start. It happens fairly steadily, you can't leave Cybertrucks out in most areas for long.
To be fair, the CT deserves to be written on, tires slashed, sprayed and whatever anyways, but being a more hummery Hummer already, nevermind what a terrible car it is in general. Anyone who bought one basically accepts they'll be the target of shit like this constantly, and they explicitly bought into it.
I have sympathy for those with older Tesla's, they were the most popular EV on the market, and Musk was mask on back then. Not cyber truck owners, though, he'd long since shown his true colors by the time it released.
This is actually a friend's car. I haven't commented on her post because it would be something like "I'm surprised my (model 3) hasn't been vandalized but I wouldn't blame the person who did it".
I wonder how many people actually mean that, and how many people use it to protect their nazimobile from damage. Because he went openly crazy 7 years ago this year as far as I'm concerned. This isn't just a "since he owned Twitter" thing.
He started his descent but most people weren't aware. Nobody isn't aware now, and anyone that still defends him would rather complain about snowflakes than put that bumper sticker on their car.
Yeah, I knew something was wrong with Musk after the Thailand diver incident, but I didn't know that Musk was a completely evil Nazi pos until he got involved in the 2024 election
Google search results on election night showed that hundreds of thousands of Americans didn't know that Biden had dropped out of the election until they went to vote.
People are not nearly as informed as you think they are.
I think another thing to mention is we live in an age of information overload and it seems everyone has or is doing some morally disgusting so the average person can't really keep up with who's done what. I know Elon is pretty much in the headlines nonstop but it's easy to become numb to such things. Like you said the car is unique and people were excited for it. Lots of them now aren't from pre-orders but coming across mildly discounted second hand can be enticing to those who otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity.
Fuck Elon, he can rot in the emerald mine he came from
This sounds like a good reason to get one that has already been gutted down to the frame, preserve it and juice it up with modern technology when they day comes.
sad ? NOPE! Look at the car to start with, its so ugly and pyramid! Why buy a car with a contract that does not allow you to sell it within a year? He/She knew it, yet he/she bought.
Apparently, it was for the cybertruck to prevent scalping.
I have read somewhere that the contract would require you to first offer your cybertruck back to Tesla for retail price minus a set fee per mile if you sold it within a year.
Tesla could refuse taking it back, at which point you're allowed to sell it on the free market.
this clause has recently been dropped from new contracts.
Tesla has refused to take back Cybertrucks offered to them, because they can't sell their actual production cars.
Yes, because I don't know anything about them other than they made the mistake of buying a cybertruck. Washable vandalism is fine, but don't do stuff that requires repairs unless you know the person deserves it.
There is plausible deniability that they didn’t know just how awful he was when they bought it.
No, there really isn't. Someone who bought a regular Tesla model years ago can make that claim. But the cybertruck came out recently, well after Musk took over twitter and turned it into Nazi HQ. Musk has been using Twitter to platform Nazis, promote them, and throttle the spread of non-Nazi content. Look at the "free speech advocate" Elon Musk allowing literal Nazis to post vile hate while censoring the word "cisgender" as hate speech. Look at his many posts in favor of eugenics, great replacement, the elimination of trans people, and encouraging white babies. Musk is literally a Nazi, and that has been abundantly clear since well before the cybertruck's release. Everyone who bought a cybertruck either knowingly or negligently gave tens of thousands of dollars to the most famous Nazi in America. Everyone who bought a cybertruck is a Nazi sympathizer. They might claim that they didn't buy it to send a message, that they don't support Nazis. But you don't get to take that stance with Nazis. They are enemies of all mankind, no different from groups like ISIS. If you are giving substantial monetary assistance to Nazis, you ARE a Nazi sympathizer. You either support them, or you care so little that you don't mind that you're funding Nazis.
I wouldn't care about someone's motives if they sent ISIS $100k. I don't care if they're sending money to ISIS because they're a radical Islamist and love the idea of a caliphate. I don't care if they support ISIS simply because like supporting what they see as anti-colonial resistance efforts against Western hegemony. I don't care if they send ISIS money simply because they're an edgy YouTuber trying to do it as a prank. I don't care whatever excuses people dream up. If you send $100k to ISIS, you are a terrorist sympathizer and supporter, regardless of what insanity is going through your head at the time. When you start throwing around that kind of money, the moral obligation is on YOU to make sure you're not supporting something horrible. And Musk is such a publicly prominent Nazi that it is simply common knowledge. I do not buy that someone could be a big enough Tesla fanboy to buy a cybertruck and somehow also be ignorant of Musk being a Nazi.
Honestly, these vehicles deserve far worse than some paint on them. They really deserve to be set on fire. This is but a fraction of what these rolling Nazi billboards deserve. These people are Nazi sympathizers and enablers. That is literally what they are. The last time we dealt with Nazis, this kind of monetary support to Nazis could get you years in prison or even hanged as a traitor.
People have an ethical responsibility to be politically informed. If it's 2024 (and it was when OOP bought it) and they don't know Elon is a Nazi, then the people are entitled to use aggressive means of education.
We all thought the "information superhighway" was going to change the world by informing everyone. And then people chose to stay ignorant. That's what's ruining the world. Ignorance is a form of violence.
People should not take it upon themselves to damage the property of random people they don't think are politically informed enough. What to stop others from doing the same to you because they think that you aren't politically informed enough by their standards?
I have no sadness for someone able to buy an 80k hunk of steel and yet cants pull their head out of their own ass to see what's going on. And I think you're going to just die on this ideological hill vs seeing the practical line in the sand that has been crossed.
Sure they should! actions have consequences. Otherwise people will just take advantage of others. I am not worried about people doing the same to me because I to participate in actions that help make others lives worse.
Even forgetting the Nazism and Musk, those things should be vandalized for being offensive to my fucking eyes. For being a bad product. For being a dangerous product.
I feel sorry for the people who bought a cybertruck ignorantly without knowing anything about Elon Musk. However, how would that be possible in this day and age?
By and large the market for the Tesla cybertruck is going to be people with more money than sense.
Those people I can't really have any sympathy for. My advice to them is to park the truck in your garage and drive literally anything else that you own from what is sure to be a selection of different cars.
For those that purchased a CT at the end of their finances, and could only barely afford to justify it, I feel for them. They can't easily buy something else to drive, and the contract forbids them from selling anytime soon. They put in their orders long before Musk was actively demonstrating how much of a shit head he really is.
These people are just regular folks who wanted a truck, bought the Tesla branded sales pitch, and thought it was a good investment over alternatives like rivian. IMO, they're victims just as much as the government employees that used to work in DEIA departments, and USAID.
Then people are taking out their frustration and causing material harm to those duped by the world's richest man.... Double jeopardy.
None of what Elon did is their fault. People are causing them material harm. You're not hurting Elon with these shenanigans, and you don't know that the person who is suffering is a part of the same club that Elon is. Err on the safe side and leave people's property alone, please.
I don't like Elon, and I don't like Tesla. I have no sympathy for either if they go down in flames. I do, however, feel bad for all those who are being materially harmed by all this horse shit. They didn't ask for this, they just wanted an electric car that goes vroom on batteries.
Edit: seems like a lot of people disagree, that's fair. I want to clarify that the subset of people who own a cybertruck that I have any sympathy for, is a pretty small group.
The fact that some of them have my sympathy, does not, and should not imply that I agree with Elon, support his supporters, or think every person who owns a cybertruck is "good underneath it all". Absolutely not. The vast majority of them are either rich assholes that deserve what they get (eat the rich!) or those that have thoroughly invested into whatever Elon says being the way things should be. In both cases, these are people with no socially redeeming qualities, and 100% deserve what they get. This easily covers 90%+ of owners. The small percentile that went through with their purchase, who are just average Joe's trying to make their way in the world, who thought a battery electric truck is a good idea; those who just happened to land on cybertruck as the result of their decision, and have no horse in this race otherwise... Which again, is a very small number of purchasers, those people I have some sympathy for.
If you disagree with that, then I'll happily hear your opinions on the matter. Please feel free to comment. You're entitled to have an opinion as a free person, and you can express that in whatever way you feel is appropriate.
Not trying to carry water for anyone. I'm just not sure supporting destruction of someone else's property is the move here.
This is just a discussion, and nobody needs to agree with me. Clearly there's plenty of opinions here and mine is one of them. I'm not going to say anyone should agree with me.
For clarity, the subset of cybertruck owners I have any sympathy for is a small group. The most significant argument I have, mostly to myself, is that I don't know who owns what vehicle, so personally, I would not partake in any vandalism because though it's likely that the person who owns the vehicle is by all definitions a shit head, the possibility that they're not is enough for me to refrain for getting involved.
But make no mistake, if I was proof positive that some Elon loving nazibro was the owner of the vehicle, no holds barred. Fuck that guy and the cybertruck he rode in on.
Clearly, many people are convinced that anyone who owns a cybertruck is a nazibro, shithead, who agrees with Elon and his fuckary.
Believe what you want. I believe in realistic freedom, not the "freedom" that's being pedaled by the chronies doing damage in Washington, where their version of freedom strips reproductive Rights away from women. As such, you are and should be free to express your opinion in whatever way you feel. I'll fight anyone who tries to say otherwise.
These aren't commuter cars, or work vehicles, there is no practical reason to own one. They are a status symbol of musks politics. The venn diagram of people who own these and wear maga hats is essentially a single circle. There is a daily growing number of struggling american families who deserve sympathy and almost every one of the folks who paid six figures of disposable income for the opportunity to support musks politics are not victims.
I look at it this way. There are a lot of people being harmed by Musk's actions that didn't choose to put themselves in harm's way. That is not these people. I reserve my sympathy for those that had no hand in getting fucked over by a billionaire. People who either chose to put themselves in harm's way and those that chose to ignore all of the signs that they were putting themselves in harm's way can get in fucking line.
I don't encourage it, but having some familiarity with what it's like to be minding my own business at a good job only to have Elon swoop in and fuck everything up, I understand.
This is the product of powerlessness. Rich people can come in and fuck up your life at any time. And seeking revenge would be futile. But people still want to do it, so they do the next closest thing.
Let me clear this up for you if it helps. I fully support any and all efforts people took to sabotage anyone related to NSDAP during the 30s and 40s. Both property damage and assassinations.
Powerful rich people kill 1000's of people a day via their direct actions and decisions, this is not promoting murder, it's promoting self defense....and it's about fucking time.
People are so stupid.
I hate musk > I destroy teslas > damaged car leaves in a contract workshop > income for Tesla ergo for musk > costs paid by the insurance company are passed on to all insured persons.
I think the main point is to show them we're not gonna tolerate anyone using his products and therefore giving him money in the first place.
Personally I don't understand why it's just the cybertrucks getting the hate. Muskrat was a fuckin loser way before then he just hid it by trying to act like a memelord.
The truck is just the most obvious sign of your loyalties. They were only released after Musk was already completely mask-off, are notoriously low quality and expensive, and there's no reason to get one at all beyond signaling that you want to suck off Elon Musk. Some people bought Tesla cars years ago because they were a genuinely decent EV for the time and Musk wasn't in all the news yet. The same cannot be said about the Cybertruck.
Mostly because they are one of the more obvious examples of expensive cars from tesla, only really bought by dumb wealthy people. The model 3 is pretty common in my area, though I doubt they are selling many new ones now, so it's considered more like a nice camry by a lot of people.
So do you think it is clever if A. the person who caused the damage even has to pay for it or B. which is much more likely... The damage is paid for by the insurance company, but premiums will rise for everyone in the long term. So the opponents pay for the damage indirectly. The owner has a bit of trouble, well. Revenues at musk increase as a result, as I said
Insurance companies do not spread risk because it reduces profit. If the Cyber truck costs more in repairs, only the premiums for Cyber Truck owners go up.
DeLorean had no modem that required connection to the company servers. No one has ever owned a Tesla. They pay full price to rent something that they do not control.
The people selling, manufacturing, and designing these vehicles will take their skills and labor elsewhere. The owners, who have no transferable skills, are stuck holding the empty bag.
I really really really don’t think the intentions of the vandalizers were to personally buttfuck Muskie, they wanted to fuck that the owner! Which they did!
Why I don’t think that no one would destroy an already bought product with the intention of hurting the parent company? Because it very obviously doesn’t and I firmly believe that all ppl would be capable of figuring it out by saying it out loud?
If I was buying something, literally anything, and the people I am buying from make me sign a thing that said I couldn't sell the thing I am buying for X period of time after buying it, that would be a major red flag to me that perhaps this product is actually a huge piece of shit because they're already worried I will try to get rid of it within X amount of time.
It’s fairly common for limited run supercars and meant to dissuade scalpers. Still silly, but there’s precedent
i mean, anyone who buys a supercar is kinda inherently a dick
I can help confirm this. I want a super car but I'm too poor.
For a lot of people the only thing holding them back from being dicks sadly is not having too much money.
What if I think it’d be cool to have a supercar, but the only thing holding me back is the money, but I’m not a dick? I just think they’re neat, but in the event that I’d have enough to afford one, I’d probably still go with something practical. I’ll never have that kind of money anyway, so this is all purely hypothetical.
No, if you got the money to buy a super car you'd become a dick. I've seen it happen. Metaphorphasis and all.
I want a 2008 Miata. A 4 cylinder manual with a couple hundred horsepower that doesn't weigh very much and has a suspension someone thought about for a little while and a sticker price of $25 grand, and it'll probably make better gas mileage than the old Buick Century I drive to the store today just on weight alone.
Like, if you said "2008 Miata, or a Pigani Zonda. Choose one and it's yours for $25,000, but the terms are you have to own and drive it you can't just sell it" I'm going for the Mazda.
I want to try Lotus Elise at least once in my life
That sounds like a wonderful collection.
How are they? I'm guessing they aren't your daily driver?
Pretty easy and cheap to maintain for the most part, just don't damage the body cuz that's where it gets expensive and takes forever to replace, for example, the entire front half which is one piece.
Had one for two years. LOVED it. Highly recommend, tho a used Cayman may be a more practical and less worrisome alternative
Can you expand on the last sentence a bit? Why is Cayman more practical?
Miata is extremely good taste. And getting parts for them seemingly will never be a challenge.
NA or ND.
What the hell kinda fourth-level, back-alley reasoning went into this?
Is it because the only people that can afford supercars are rich (i.e. "dicks")? Or are you saying anyone who likes supercars is a dick?
i think we found someone who likes supercars and is a bit of a dick!
And what's your reasoning for that?
that would be you defending people who buy supercars, and being a dick about it at the same time :)
If my not understanding and calling out the opaque calculations that turn "someone liking cool, fast machines" into a "dick" makes me a dick, then sure. Whatever.
I also don't see how asking about one person's rationale equates to "defending" another different group of people. But I guess questioning this rationale will make me a double-dick.
If you give me two more questionable statements, I can try to get the echidna before I get bored of this.
Makes sense any time supply is limited. Would be amazing for concert tickets for example.
Yeah honestly I wish more products had laws like this. Or, actually, the rule should be you can't sell it at a higher price within a certain time frame, because that's a better indicator of scalping.
I've been wanting to buy one of the B580 GPU's intel released, but as soon as there's stock it immediately gets bought out and resold on amazon at a 150$ markup. I can't think of any other rule that would effectively stop this behavior.
Nothing made me happier than the photos of BOXES AND BOXES of 20 series Nvidia cards just fucking stacked to the ceiling when the 30 series was released. Or maybe it was 30s when 40s were released. Either way. Get bent, L scalpers.
It would have been nice if they had done that with PS5s or concert tickets. It's less about being forced to keep a crappy item and more about not artificially inflating prices on it (by buying out the stock and reselling).
That argument would make sense if anybody was actually scalping swasticars, but they’re currently piling up and rusting away unsold. They really put the cart before the horse.
But what if it is a crappy car?
"Listen, I just need a crappy purple scion to make a reference to a Train song and I'll have it back by this afternoon."
That last part is so dumb. How on earth do you not realize you are buying into a scam pyramid scheme type thing with something like that in the contract.
No one ever accused tesla owners of being smart
Probably to stop resellers who get in Line first and sell it for a mark up.
I mean, just look at the thing! Lol.
It's to try and stop scalping - though it seems to have been relatively successful at that by just being itself.
Especially since the thing looks like a dumb pyramid. Like cmon there were signs.
Ferrari does the same thing
This isnt a Ferrari, it's a pickup truck.
Then dont buy it
I'm not but I'm also going to call out the people who did for supporting a 3rd generation Nazi.
Is it a pick up though?
As much as any f150 with a rolling bed cover. Pickup just means small truck with closed cab and open bed.
Huh. TIL.
It always looked to me like a very low-poly El Camino –
and I just learnt the El Camino was classed as a ‘coupe utility pickup truck’.
its worse than one.
Bought the car just to get attention and you're getting the attention. I don't see the problem. You got exactly what you wanted. It's a fuck ugly car that's shit quality. You bought it just because you wanted to be noticed. Well, play dumb games, win dumb prizes.
Buy the ticket, take the ride
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More like, idiots destroy our cities and towns with their giant wankpanzers and then they cry like babies when people fight back.
If you don't want people to destroy your swatzicar then 1. don't buy a nazi vehicle and 2. Don't buy a truck with the highest traffic fatality rate of any vehicle. Your freedom of self expression ends where your choice kills other people
Sorry, no sympathy. I have some sympathy for the Tesla owners who bought theirs years ago before Musk went completely mask off. But Musk has been an overt Nazi since the first cybertruck was released. Do you know what you call an Apartheid baby that platforms and massively promotes Nazis in the name of "free speech" while censoring other voices (see 'cis' as a slur). You call them a Nazi. Musk has been dealing in overt racism, malignant transphobia, and eugenics for years now. If you simply didn't care about this, and still gave that many $100k of your money? I'm sorry, but you just gave $100k to a man you knew was a Nazi. You're a literal Nazi sympathizer. Or, at best, you're a person who cares so little about fighting Nazis that you will willingly give the nation's most prominent Nazi a hundred grand.
So yes, it is absolutely is fair to judge people who bought a cybertruck. They're Nazi sympathizers. I don't know if I would personally engage in such vandalism. But if I was on a jury with such a case before me, I would certainly be practicing jury nullification. Some paint or flat tires is a fraction of what a car like that deserves. That thing should be burned to ashes. That is what should really be done to Nazi symbols like the cybertruck. Here in 2025, if you are driving a cybertruck. There is no way for you to have that vehicle without having every chance in the world to see buying it directly supports Nazis. Every cybertruck is already a rolling swastika.
"property is more important than human lives."
-This guy
Yeah that's exactly what I said
Explain how your eagerness to kill someone for spray painting a car is different from saying property is more important than human lives.
Enjoy your downvotes ad mod removals.
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Oh man I was a lil thirsty today, thanks for that cup of Nazi tears. Delicious. Hit the spot. Chef's kiss.
Insuring it will be an absolute nightmare. The insurance companies dont care if you bought it cheap.
I'm sure ya could find someone in Louisiana who would buy one, at the very least it'd be fun to shoot at a gun range.
When the price bottoms out it becomes a cheap mobile power wall!
Chechens are serious about making it the next Toyota Hilux.
Given how many issues it has had so far, doesn't that place it on the opposite side of the spectrum from the Hilux? Isn't this akin to submitting a tiny, rotten tomato into a worlds biggest vegetable competition?
For sure, I just mean they like to stick guns in the bed. Don't tell them how unreliable they are, please.
Ha. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of dildos.
They're lucky the wrote on it using lipstick because stainless steel does not like bleach
I'm doing research on stainless steel art - what would you say is the most effective house appliance for staining it? Particularly the same stainless steel the swasticar is using.
Muriatic acid will etch and corrode stainless quite effectively.
You should wear gloves and glasses when messing with the stuff. Don't breathe the fumes, they're chlorine.
I would think that a small paintbrush with the acid in a plastic cup would work well for any slogans you might wish to write on sheets of stainless.
You can find this at most hardware or pool supply stores as well.
It's 10 bucks a gallon where I'm at. That's enough for the three cunt trucks I've seen and clean my driveway. We'll at least oil stains.
Chemicals are often cheaper then you expect. A life lesson I guess.
That's how you successfully boycott a product
Call that one the Beastie Boycott: SABOTAGE
This is not boycotting, this is assaulting innocent people, but obviously the democrats can't understand that.
Vandalism is not assault, and while buying a swasticar isn't a crime per se I certainly wouldn't call the people who bought them innocent. It was never even a good truck. There's literally no reason to buy one of these things other than to force other people to witness how much of a chode you are.
What person was harmed by this?
Musk was randomly accusing people of being a pedo YEARS before the cybertruck was released. No sympathy. User error for agreeing to that contract.
Not random people, but people doing a good job and making him look bad.
Glad I’m the the only one who remembers the pedo accusations. All because he couldn’t use his sub in that cave 🤣 that was my indicator not trust him. Back then I was genuinely hopeful that Musk would do good. But here we are.
I remember it as the first time I thought Musk was unhinged rather than just rich.
Easy fix, get four signs and hang them in the windows on each side. Have it say "Elon Sux - I hate nazis -
please don't vandalize my car"From a purely legal perspective, I'm curious if the contract would hold up in court, considering there is a concerted campaign of vandalism against the cars.
iirc you can sell, but they will refuse you any future sales of cars
I could be misremembering, though
Nice they can avoid garbage cars in the future.
Yeah, sounds like a great policy that helps disappointed customers from making further mistakes. As fucked up as this is to say... thanks Elon? shudder
That's kinda nuts. Do other auto manufacturers do this??
Ferrari does shit like that
I do, if the guy bought his shitup truck before it was widely known that Musk was a nazi ballroot. If they bought it in the last year or two, then I don't really mind that much. I wouldn't vandalise someone's property myself, but I won't be losing much sleep over it.
The Cybertruck in particular is very much a Musk Mobile, it's linked quite closely to his public persona and buying one is you telling the world that you admire and want to emulate Musk in some way, or at least be a part of the Musk Fan Club. It would be like if Hitler signed off on a fancy Führer Ford Focus, then cunts started buying it and showing it off. No shits to give for vandalisation in that case.
I could excuse some Tesla owners under this logic, but by the time the Cyber Truck was available, everyone knew who he was.
But this is specifically about flaming it as a Nazi vehicle. Cybertrucks were on the street before he started interfering with elections and heil'ing in conferences. Unless I missed the part where the post said they got they Swastikar in the last 3 months, this is attacking someone with too much money who may or may not have spent it on a joke they could drive.
We knew he was a nazi when he took over twitter. And that was years before the cybertruck.
Maybe there was Musk media I chose not to ingest but, around the Twitter acquistion, we knew he was an alt-right manchild with a paper-thin ego, a backwards conception of "free-speech", and too much money. Certainly, a piddling, pervert wannabe sniffing around the locker-room of authoritarianism.
Maybe practicing for major-league fascism, but he wasn't swinging for the team.
I think the moment CT became available it was very clear who Phony Stark is. Maybe he didn't do the Nazi salute at the time, but everything else was still valid.
Sounds like their fault for being stupid enough to buy something you aren't allowed to sell for a year.
That's a red flag.
Never heard of having to sign a contract like that for a simple vehicle purchase, that is insane. Wonder if they implemented that after the string of "obvious lack of quality assurance testing" type failures popping up on social media
It also would not be legally enforcable in most countries, but I guess in the US it's Yeehaw law, so whatever the big corpo says goes.
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Whoa, I hate cybertrucks as much as the next guy, but that's a bit harsh. You shouldn't kill someone just for buying a vehicle.
The only thing more precious than human life: tires 🙄
property > people
that's the entirety of conservative values
Yes, Cybertrucks kill pedestrians and cyclists at much higher rates than smaller cars, but that doesn't mean we should kill CT owners for destroying our towns and cities
interesting choice of words. in multiple comments. did you get lost on your way to 4chan?
Isn't lemmy a 4chan proxy
I wonder what prez musk will do when the insurance companies raise the rates for owning Teslsa products.
Sue them, of course.
This guy has the perfect out to set it on fire and scam the insurance company out of money and they chose this. 🙄
are insurance companies still insuring them at all?
If the plan is valid and covers fire damage, yup. You'd still have to argue with them like any other time you make an insurance claim. Now will insurance companies write or renew Cyber Trucks, I'll assume yes but at higher rates.
Good luck finding a buyer bozo
Do I feel bad they bought a shit car with shit terms? No. He should have been smarter.
Do I feel bad people are targeting his car because of something someone else did? Yes.
It's not like he wrapped the car with a bunch of inflammatory imagery like I've seen some have. He's just got his stupid car and people are fucking with it. This doesn't help crash Tesla. It doesn't hurt Tesla at all. It's misdirected.
Got after Tesla charge stations instead. Go after the dealerships. Go after Elon.
If the risk of this happening dissuades people from buying a tesla themselves it hurts tesla.
I would argue that the car itself is inflammatory to anyone who believes he's a fascist.
If goebbels had a car company and you bought a car from him, fully knowing he was a Nazi...... I would probably say there's a pretty high chance you are also a Nazi.
If your car gets trashed every time you take it out because of the public's disdain for its CEO, are you going to buy another?
I agree. But many of these CTs were sold well before Musk went all Nazi.
He's been a weirdo for years, but that's somewhat understandable when people get a fuck ton of money. Look at John McAfee.
Yes, trashing Tesla's makes people not want to buy them. I just think trashing the Tesla infrastructure is better.
Ehh... Maybe valid with other Teslas, but musk has been letting the mask slip way before late 2023.
Why not both?
Please don't go after the charge stations. Other car brands use them, and Teslas use non-Tesla charging stations as well. It's kind of a free for all with chargers.
The other Tesla models, I get many people bought it for its EV properties, like people don't wonder about the views of the CEO of general motors, Toyota etc. in their car purchases. The cybertruck it is very clear that one bought in Musk's specific visions, so it's fairer game.
The cybertruck is an obscenity just from how dangerous it is for pedestrians and how heavy and inefficient it is.
Add the nazi psychopath who purports to run the company only makes it worse.
Vandalizing Cybertrucks is actually quite based and awesome.
Anything tesla is fair game
And any American is free game, right?
I think we might be able to muster up enough nuance to determine the difference between an inanimate object and a person, right?
Aren't you hurting the person by harming their property?
I'm asking if we can go after every American since America does shit things? So spray paint their doors and houses, throw paint on their clothes, dump garbage in front of their doors.
Obviously thats silly because we don't know if that particular American supports the fascist right running the USA. It's also silly saying wrecking every Tesla is right.
Lol, no. Property does not have feelings, nor is a person driving a near 6 figure vanity truck going to experience undue financial instability by having their property vandalized.
Another false equivocation........ Did every American choose to be American? Or do you think being born is the same as choosing to empower a fascist?
No, it's just a stupid comparison to begin with. Again, the important aspect you continue to ignore is that owning a particular piece of property is a choice, and the people who can afford cyber trucks aren't going to be financially destroyed by buying a different car. Meaning they choose to perpetuate their choice.
So if I burned your house down, you wouldn't be hurt by this action?
So you're just ignoring the rest of the argument.........?
Again, your claim only contains an iota of weight if you grossly over generalize and disregard nuance.
A home is not the same as a luxury vehicle. My home wasn't built by a neo Nazi, nor does it enrich a neo Nazi. My home hasn't been turned into a dog whistle for fascist who want to enrich their favorite neo Nazi. You do not become homeless when someone vandalizes your 100k vanity truck....
If you for some reason vandalized my house with graffiti....I would simply power wash it. I would not claim that I've personally been harmed, because I am not my property.
It's more like if a billionaires 3rd mansion gets burned down, you're not really that sorry for them are you? It's a magnitude of difference as to how it effects someone, and I don't see any lower middle class people driving cyber trucks.
Maybe I'll get flamed for this, but yes, target random Americans for their government's behavior is normal and effective, depending on where you are.
The idea that protest can succeed without causing trouble for someone is naive.
Yeah, if I went to Afghanistan in 2003 i'd expect to be targeted as an American, regardless of my personal opinions.
And so if I were personally invested in visiting somewhere, but found out it's dangerous for Americans, that would definitely impact my opinion of the current leadership and what I'm going to do about it.
People tend not to actually change unless there's a strong motivation. Not being able to go places you want to go, own things you want to own safely, or simply exist without being hated are some of the oldest reasons why a populace might rise up against their government
I dont know how you got that message from what I said. Canadian, american, icelandic tesla's are all fair game. If you're asking if hurting americans is free game, then you completely misinterpreted what I was saying
Dont forget he willingly supported elons business
Of course I feel sad for them. The people of New Orleans deserve better than having swasticars in their midst.
Even before the nazi shit buying one of these shitcans was a terrible idea. get fucked.
I do feel sorry for Tesla owners - pre 2025. People bought Teslas in good faith believing this company was heralding green, emissions free vehicles. Which it more or less did. They weren't expecting the CEO would out himself as a Nazi even if there were clues he was a terrible piece of shit. Being an asshole is one thing but Musk out-Henry Ford'ed Henry Ford.
So if you're going to discriminate, target >= 2025 owners where this is common knowledge, not those before. That said, the Cybertruck is and was a fucking terrible vehicle and deserves criticism on its own awfulness outside of any political dimension.
I mostly agree, but I'd set the cutoff date sometime around 2023, maybe up until 2024 for someone completely checked out of the Internet and/or Elon's bullshit. It's part of why the CT is targeted so much in this way, but not the model 3 or S. There are a lot of people who just wanted an electric vehicle when Tesla looked like one of the more compelling options (mostly due to marketing than actual features/reliability but what can you do about that in hindsight).
He was mask off long before 2025
He threw a car into space in 2018 for the lulz.. Dude was nuts long before 2025.
Also elon is not tesla, even if he want you to believe he is. Don't feel bad if you own an electric car, unless it's the swasticar.
Elon is not Tesla but Tesla absolutely is Elon. Tesla might be able to survive elon, but if Tesla goes bankrupt, elon will loose a huge chunk of his power. He is the "richest" man only because of incredibly overinflated Tesla stock.
Everything that huts Tesla is good for democracy, freedom and the whole world!
He's not Tesla but hurting Tesla hurts his wallet.
Dude is nothing but a charlatan
Well more like pre-2022, back when it was still somewhat hopeful that the cars weren't badly made and the rest of the car market is not rapidly pulling away from Tesla since they have actual QA and actual R&D and stuff. Which was expected to happen anyways, Tesla was struggling to actually build actual cars in any year after all.
But ignoring the technical side for a moment, past ~early 2024 any newly bought Tesla just loudly heralds that you like supporting Nazi Boi.
Not exactly, Musk still needs so many suppliers for Tesla.. BYD builds more of their components in house.
CT? Cunt Truck?
I have walked around New Orleans with my Computer Tomography and I've been fine.
cybertwat
Child Thresher.
Buy a ugly vehicle that looks like a third graders drawing to be seen. Now being seen is a liability. Too bad so sad... I'm not sad.
All other things considered, that car just looks laughably shit. Idiots and their money...
So what they said way the contract won't let them sell within a year. So they got this recently. There's no way you couldn't know about Musk being a shit this recently, so fuckem, you gave the Nazi money.
I do feel bad, yeah.
Having bad taste in vehicles and too much money to spend on stupid things doesn't really warrant destruction of property. Being mostly unaware of the political statements of a CEO (which, at the time of the Cybertruck's release or when people were ordering it he wasn't nearly as deep into this crap as he is now) isn't really a crime either...
Well...
I would like it of people would do something a lot more organized and effective with their anger at musk.
Yeah but consistently sabotaging Cybertrucks is a start. It happens fairly steadily, you can't leave Cybertrucks out in most areas for long.
To be fair, the CT deserves to be written on, tires slashed, sprayed and whatever anyways, but being a more hummery Hummer already, nevermind what a terrible car it is in general. Anyone who bought one basically accepts they'll be the target of shit like this constantly, and they explicitly bought into it.
I have sympathy for those with older Tesla's, they were the most popular EV on the market, and Musk was mask on back then. Not cyber truck owners, though, he'd long since shown his true colors by the time it released.
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This is actually a friend's car. I haven't commented on her post because it would be something like "I'm surprised my (model 3) hasn't been vandalized but I wouldn't blame the person who did it".
I recently saw a model 3 with a bumper sticker that said "I bought this before Elon went crazy"
Might be worth the investment in the coming months lol.
I wonder how many people actually mean that, and how many people use it to protect their nazimobile from damage. Because he went openly crazy 7 years ago this year as far as I'm concerned. This isn't just a "since he owned Twitter" thing.
He started his descent but most people weren't aware. Nobody isn't aware now, and anyone that still defends him would rather complain about snowflakes than put that bumper sticker on their car.
Yeah, I knew something was wrong with Musk after the Thailand diver incident, but I didn't know that Musk was a completely evil Nazi pos until he got involved in the 2024 election
Have you heard the theory that he kinda lost it being alone during the pandemic and fell down the Nazi pipeline on social media?
Google search results on election night showed that hundreds of thousands of Americans didn't know that Biden had dropped out of the election until they went to vote.
People are not nearly as informed as you think they are.
My car was debadged several years ago. I am putting BYD badges on it.
The CT first came out after he has already been crazy.
Haha. We made a bunch of anti-fascist throws this year, with one design specifically mocking the Nazi Musk.
Be nice or leave.
I think another thing to mention is we live in an age of information overload and it seems everyone has or is doing some morally disgusting so the average person can't really keep up with who's done what. I know Elon is pretty much in the headlines nonstop but it's easy to become numb to such things. Like you said the car is unique and people were excited for it. Lots of them now aren't from pre-orders but coming across mildly discounted second hand can be enticing to those who otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity.
Fuck Elon, he can rot in the emerald mine he came from
I would question battery tech in 20 years. Mainly compatibility.
This sounds like a good reason to get one that has already been gutted down to the frame, preserve it and juice it up with modern technology when they day comes.
Lol whoopsie
Whoopsie! My finger slipped on my trigger 21 times!
Are you really talking about murdering someone over a can of spray paint?
Yeah you don't deserve to live if you commit such degenerate acts. If we tolerate this behavior it will spiral into assault cases and even worse.
And you don't think randomly shooting people won't lead to retaliation either?
No because they're a bunch of cowards that lurk at night to destroy your property
You describing them like some cheeky mythological creature tickles me.
Be careful with the poor man, he is very clearly way the hell of his meds. Read the rest of his posts, he needs help and pity.
Whoa, you tough sumbitch. I'm shaking, what am I to do? This internet warrior pulled his trigger 21 times, am I dead yet?
You're ridiculous.
I feel embarrassed and ashamed for them.
sad ? NOPE! Look at the car to start with, its so ugly and pyramid! Why buy a car with a contract that does not allow you to sell it within a year? He/She knew it, yet he/she bought.
Buy the ticket, take the ride!
What kind of contract is that? Is that a standard Tesla thing?
Apparently, it was for the cybertruck to prevent scalping.
I have read somewhere that the contract would require you to first offer your cybertruck back to Tesla for retail price minus a set fee per mile if you sold it within a year.
Tesla could refuse taking it back, at which point you're allowed to sell it on the free market.
Well isn’t that a big nothingburger, as long as Tesla responds at all? It shouldn’t stop anyone from selling the cybertruck.
Yeah, seems to be fairly underwhelming in concept.
This is the article about it that I recently came across:
https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-no-longer-wants-you-sell-your-cybertruck-back-them-after-used-cybertruck-prices-fall
Go fasc lose cash.
Yes, because I don't know anything about them other than they made the mistake of buying a cybertruck. Washable vandalism is fine, but don't do stuff that requires repairs unless you know the person deserves it.
They gave elon money, they deserve it.
There is plausible deniability that they didn't know just how awful he was when they bought it.
No, there really isn't. Someone who bought a regular Tesla model years ago can make that claim. But the cybertruck came out recently, well after Musk took over twitter and turned it into Nazi HQ. Musk has been using Twitter to platform Nazis, promote them, and throttle the spread of non-Nazi content. Look at the "free speech advocate" Elon Musk allowing literal Nazis to post vile hate while censoring the word "cisgender" as hate speech. Look at his many posts in favor of eugenics, great replacement, the elimination of trans people, and encouraging white babies. Musk is literally a Nazi, and that has been abundantly clear since well before the cybertruck's release. Everyone who bought a cybertruck either knowingly or negligently gave tens of thousands of dollars to the most famous Nazi in America. Everyone who bought a cybertruck is a Nazi sympathizer. They might claim that they didn't buy it to send a message, that they don't support Nazis. But you don't get to take that stance with Nazis. They are enemies of all mankind, no different from groups like ISIS. If you are giving substantial monetary assistance to Nazis, you ARE a Nazi sympathizer. You either support them, or you care so little that you don't mind that you're funding Nazis.
I wouldn't care about someone's motives if they sent ISIS $100k. I don't care if they're sending money to ISIS because they're a radical Islamist and love the idea of a caliphate. I don't care if they support ISIS simply because like supporting what they see as anti-colonial resistance efforts against Western hegemony. I don't care if they send ISIS money simply because they're an edgy YouTuber trying to do it as a prank. I don't care whatever excuses people dream up. If you send $100k to ISIS, you are a terrorist sympathizer and supporter, regardless of what insanity is going through your head at the time. When you start throwing around that kind of money, the moral obligation is on YOU to make sure you're not supporting something horrible. And Musk is such a publicly prominent Nazi that it is simply common knowledge. I do not buy that someone could be a big enough Tesla fanboy to buy a cybertruck and somehow also be ignorant of Musk being a Nazi.
Honestly, these vehicles deserve far worse than some paint on them. They really deserve to be set on fire. This is but a fraction of what these rolling Nazi billboards deserve. These people are Nazi sympathizers and enablers. That is literally what they are. The last time we dealt with Nazis, this kind of monetary support to Nazis could get you years in prison or even hanged as a traitor.
People have an ethical responsibility to be politically informed. If it's 2024 (and it was when OOP bought it) and they don't know Elon is a Nazi, then the people are entitled to use aggressive means of education.
We all thought the "information superhighway" was going to change the world by informing everyone. And then people chose to stay ignorant. That's what's ruining the world. Ignorance is a form of violence.
People should not take it upon themselves to damage the property of random people they don't think are politically informed enough. What to stop others from doing the same to you because they think that you aren't politically informed enough by their standards?
The fact that I don't own a Cybertruck
Cybertrucks aren't the only things in existence that can be damaged.
I have no sadness for someone able to buy an 80k hunk of steel and yet cants pull their head out of their own ass to see what's going on. And I think you're going to just die on this ideological hill vs seeing the practical line in the sand that has been crossed.
Sure they should! actions have consequences. Otherwise people will just take advantage of others. I am not worried about people doing the same to me because I to participate in actions that help make others lives worse.
You're trying to turn is/is not a nazi into some nuanced thing. It's not nuanced.
The Cybertruck started selling way after it was pretty universally known Elon was a complete moron
Plausible deniability went out the window in 2018 when he called people paedophiles because he's a projecting prick.
This wanktank wasn't on the market in 2018.
Even forgetting the Nazism and Musk, those things should be vandalized for being offensive to my fucking eyes. For being a bad product. For being a dangerous product.
Tomb raider 1 lookn ass car.
CT will always be Cumtown to me.
Poor Conneticut.
Because of the memories?
Lol. New Orleans putting all the other cities to shame
I feel sorry for the people who bought a cybertruck ignorantly without knowing anything about Elon Musk. However, how would that be possible in this day and age?
Schadenfraude and all, but I'm still against vandalism and damaging other people's property.
Nope.
A bit, yeah.
By and large the market for the Tesla cybertruck is going to be people with more money than sense. Those people I can't really have any sympathy for. My advice to them is to park the truck in your garage and drive literally anything else that you own from what is sure to be a selection of different cars.
For those that purchased a CT at the end of their finances, and could only barely afford to justify it, I feel for them. They can't easily buy something else to drive, and the contract forbids them from selling anytime soon. They put in their orders long before Musk was actively demonstrating how much of a shit head he really is. These people are just regular folks who wanted a truck, bought the Tesla branded sales pitch, and thought it was a good investment over alternatives like rivian. IMO, they're victims just as much as the government employees that used to work in DEIA departments, and USAID.
Then people are taking out their frustration and causing material harm to those duped by the world's richest man.... Double jeopardy.
None of what Elon did is their fault. People are causing them material harm. You're not hurting Elon with these shenanigans, and you don't know that the person who is suffering is a part of the same club that Elon is. Err on the safe side and leave people's property alone, please.
I don't like Elon, and I don't like Tesla. I have no sympathy for either if they go down in flames. I do, however, feel bad for all those who are being materially harmed by all this horse shit. They didn't ask for this, they just wanted an electric car that goes vroom on batteries.
Edit: seems like a lot of people disagree, that's fair. I want to clarify that the subset of people who own a cybertruck that I have any sympathy for, is a pretty small group.
The fact that some of them have my sympathy, does not, and should not imply that I agree with Elon, support his supporters, or think every person who owns a cybertruck is "good underneath it all". Absolutely not. The vast majority of them are either rich assholes that deserve what they get (eat the rich!) or those that have thoroughly invested into whatever Elon says being the way things should be. In both cases, these are people with no socially redeeming qualities, and 100% deserve what they get. This easily covers 90%+ of owners. The small percentile that went through with their purchase, who are just average Joe's trying to make their way in the world, who thought a battery electric truck is a good idea; those who just happened to land on cybertruck as the result of their decision, and have no horse in this race otherwise... Which again, is a very small number of purchasers, those people I have some sympathy for.
If you disagree with that, then I'll happily hear your opinions on the matter. Please feel free to comment. You're entitled to have an opinion as a free person, and you can express that in whatever way you feel is appropriate.
No matter what, I wish all of you a good day.
Not trying to carry water for anyone. I'm just not sure supporting destruction of someone else's property is the move here.
This is just a discussion, and nobody needs to agree with me. Clearly there's plenty of opinions here and mine is one of them. I'm not going to say anyone should agree with me.
For clarity, the subset of cybertruck owners I have any sympathy for is a small group. The most significant argument I have, mostly to myself, is that I don't know who owns what vehicle, so personally, I would not partake in any vandalism because though it's likely that the person who owns the vehicle is by all definitions a shit head, the possibility that they're not is enough for me to refrain for getting involved.
But make no mistake, if I was proof positive that some Elon loving nazibro was the owner of the vehicle, no holds barred. Fuck that guy and the cybertruck he rode in on.
Clearly, many people are convinced that anyone who owns a cybertruck is a nazibro, shithead, who agrees with Elon and his fuckary.
Believe what you want. I believe in realistic freedom, not the "freedom" that's being pedaled by the chronies doing damage in Washington, where their version of freedom strips reproductive Rights away from women. As such, you are and should be free to express your opinion in whatever way you feel. I'll fight anyone who tries to say otherwise.
I'd argue that the ultimate cost of these shenanigans is, in fact borne by Tesla and therefore the Nazibro that owns the most shares.
People are put off driving and owning one because they worry about it getting trashed means less sell, and the share price falls.
Side-effect of hurting the fee-fees and finances of the pompous arseholes that bought that stupid shit in the first place?
Awesome.
These aren't commuter cars, or work vehicles, there is no practical reason to own one. They are a status symbol of musks politics. The venn diagram of people who own these and wear maga hats is essentially a single circle. There is a daily growing number of struggling american families who deserve sympathy and almost every one of the folks who paid six figures of disposable income for the opportunity to support musks politics are not victims.
I like the look and still kind of want one, maybe I can pick one up cheap from someone selling.
Also I think trump and maga are stupid.
I look at it this way. There are a lot of people being harmed by Musk's actions that didn't choose to put themselves in harm's way. That is not these people. I reserve my sympathy for those that had no hand in getting fucked over by a billionaire. People who either chose to put themselves in harm's way and those that chose to ignore all of the signs that they were putting themselves in harm's way can get in fucking line.
''Spray painted with lipstick'' hummm....
I read "Spray painted" and "nazi written in lipstick" as two separate acts
Yeah, the use of 'and' seems to support your reading. It was a very controversial take on my part. I just read fast enough so things make less sense.
Spray painted with lipstick, lol
If you vandalize a random strangers car, then you are in the wrong.
Imagine encouraging vandalism at the property of others
I'm just waiting for you guys to keep this up until it's too late and then realize why people think y'all are unhinged psychopaths.
I don't encourage it, but having some familiarity with what it's like to be minding my own business at a good job only to have Elon swoop in and fuck everything up, I understand.
This is the product of powerlessness. Rich people can come in and fuck up your life at any time. And seeking revenge would be futile. But people still want to do it, so they do the next closest thing.
What, kinda like Jan. 6, eh? Lmfao
Let me clear this up for you if it helps. I fully support any and all efforts people took to sabotage anyone related to NSDAP during the 30s and 40s. Both property damage and assassinations.
Im just waiting for you to realize how stupid of a comment that is!
Yea, vandalism is vandalism...
Would you guys like it if some redneck asshole keyed your Prius? Hed think it's justified against wokeism or some shit
Well look at the people promoting murder in the LM thread.
Yep, and George Washington should have staged a peaceful protest in 1775.
Powerful rich people kill 1000's of people a day via their direct actions and decisions, this is not promoting murder, it's promoting self defense....and it's about fucking time.
Your brain is already full of lead and plastic if you could have such a unbelievably ignorant position, so please see a doctor and get help.
People are so stupid.
I hate musk > I destroy teslas > damaged car leaves in a contract workshop > income for Tesla ergo for musk > costs paid by the insurance company are passed on to all insured persons.
This is not how you destroy billionaires
(No one wants to buy a Tesla) == ouchies for billionaire
Exactly. But harming the owners of this junk car is pointless anyway. They will suffer from the consequential costs of wear and tear anyway.
I think the main point is to show them we're not gonna tolerate anyone using his products and therefore giving him money in the first place.
Personally I don't understand why it's just the cybertrucks getting the hate. Muskrat was a fuckin loser way before then he just hid it by trying to act like a memelord.
The truck is just the most obvious sign of your loyalties. They were only released after Musk was already completely mask-off, are notoriously low quality and expensive, and there's no reason to get one at all beyond signaling that you want to suck off Elon Musk. Some people bought Tesla cars years ago because they were a genuinely decent EV for the time and Musk wasn't in all the news yet. The same cannot be said about the Cybertruck.
Mostly because they are one of the more obvious examples of expensive cars from tesla, only really bought by dumb wealthy people. The model 3 is pretty common in my area, though I doubt they are selling many new ones now, so it's considered more like a nice camry by a lot of people.
Idk personally I cringe just as hard at the sight of a tesla car as much as a cybertruck.
I give a little more leway there because those cars were out before it was clear how awful Muk really is. Cybertruck owners have no excuse.
So do you think it is clever if A. the person who caused the damage even has to pay for it or B. which is much more likely... The damage is paid for by the insurance company, but premiums will rise for everyone in the long term. So the opponents pay for the damage indirectly. The owner has a bit of trouble, well. Revenues at musk increase as a result, as I said
Insurance companies do not spread risk because it reduces profit. If the Cyber truck costs more in repairs, only the premiums for Cyber Truck owners go up.
Oh no, we mustn't protest the fascists, it will hurt my insurance premiums!
Sell the thing while you still can. It will be worthless when the company fails.
DeLorean as entered the chat
DeLorean had no modem that required connection to the company servers. No one has ever owned a Tesla. They pay full price to rent something that they do not control.
Safe. But who is stupid enough to buy them? The people who would be eligible have bought the junk. They're all guaranteed to be rusting already. xD
The Shame Wizard would consider it
It's also about the message for anyone that sees it.
Supporting Nazis has consequences
Well as a german i cry about the raise of nazis again and totally agree with fuck the Nazis
The people selling, manufacturing, and designing these vehicles will take their skills and labor elsewhere. The owners, who have no transferable skills, are stuck holding the empty bag.
Plenty of skilled people work on flops because the fool at the top of the pyramid demanded they make something fundamentally flawed.
It's like being paid to learn.
I really really really don’t think the intentions of the vandalizers were to personally buttfuck Muskie, they wanted to fuck that the owner! Which they did!
Why?
Why what?
Why I don’t think that no one would destroy an already bought product with the intention of hurting the parent company? Because it very obviously doesn’t and I firmly believe that all ppl would be capable of figuring it out by saying it out loud?