Oh, my baseline emotional state these days is fury, but it’s because I know where this road leads, and it damages my calm constantly to know that the powers that be don’t seem to give a fuck.
See, I don't know where I fall on this list. Because I'm angry everyday, but I'm also pretty stupid. Then I see how stupid OTHER people are.
Like I'm over here wondering if the universe is infinate, how is it expanding? Doesn't that negate the concept of it being infinite? Or, if it's not infinite, but it is expanding, doesn't that suggest that the galaxy is, in perspective, very very young? We've found other planets that can support life. We have no evidence that life is on those planets. I'm willing to bet there IS life on those planets. It may be microscopic, and maybe it's still in the water, but I bet it's there. Which then raises the obvious question which we have no way in our lifetimes to accurately answer. Will those planets generate a naturally evolved set of humans completely unrelated to earths humans? I mean, logic says no, right? Theres so many variables, that they would evolve to cater to the needs of their planet. Right?
Then I see guys get on the bus, and rummage through the trash can, and yell "WHY DOESN'T ANYONE THROW OUT GOLD OR DIAMONDS, OR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS???"
That is a true story. I saw that.
And I wonder to myself, am I as stupid as I think? Is the whole scale slanted? I feel smarter than those around me.....but I also feel like those around me are a few brain cells away from being medically classified as mentally retarded. So it doesn't feel like I've cleared an especially high hurdle there.
But we all know the government lies to us. If they DO know of another life form out there, would they even tell us? I don't think so. That makes me angry, because I know we don't have the technology to visit those planets. They're hundreds of light years away.
So realistically, we would have to start development on a transportation method that travels hundreds of thousands times faster than the speed of light to be able to get there with any realistic time frames. Nobody is going to sit on a space ship traveling for 4 years straight. But that kind of speed in an astroid filled space, with rocks just floating about? You'd have no ability to fly that fast. Any crash would be lethal, and it would happen virtually instantly if you're traveling like 400,000x the speed of light.
So what did we do before here on earth when traveling long dangerous distances? We built permanent solutions that are still in place today, hundreds of years later. Train tracks!
YES!!!! LETS BUILD BULLET SPACE TRAINS!!!! AWWWW YEAH!!!
In space, nobody can hear you choo choo motherfucker!
Nothing. Everyone I know is very mad about it. The people who aren't mad about it aren't mad because they're being lied to and told that all their racism, homophobia, xenophobia and just plain mean spiritedness is somehow normal and good.
I assure you that anyone who isn't a monster is very unhappy about the whole situation
I dunno, I walk through my day and most people's demeanor hasn't changed in the slightest. The way we suppress all this is very severancesque. Like sure we have our outies memory's but seems we don't have their emotions.
I walk through my day and most people’s demeanor hasn’t changed in the slightest
I'm unhappy and angry at the situation. But, am I supposed to mope around all day or have depressing conversations with everyone I meet? Should I start fighting every Trump supporter in my small town?
It's hard to truly internalize this but no matter what you think about something and/or how wrong you think someone else is, we are walking through life with imperfect imaginings of what other people think and feel. Trying to make sense of people is even harder than making sense of a person. And we are quite literally incapable of truly knowing what goes on in someone else's head.
Definitely ask these questions but don't drive yourself crazy if people don't make sense. The behaviors and actions we witness in others are only the emergent characteristics of a lot of brain activity that we aren't privy to.
Because most people are blissfully ignorant. They're going about their day and if anything they're possibly reminded that Trump is president by some news channel they pass over on their way to the newest true crime show or whatever the hell is on tictok.
Most people couldn't be forced to care if you had a gun to their heads as evidenced by our disgusting voting numbers. "Didn't vote" would win every election if it was a candidate.
Most people "aren't political" which is nice if only politics didn't affect your life so deeply. :/
Not enough people unfortunately, although I'm sure there is some overlap between those that don't vote but still watch the news. I think we overestimate how many people are "politically engaged."
Most people won't talk politics unless they know the other person's opinions already. I've had discussions about every day with my friends and wife, but there is no way I'm going to get into a discussion with my parents or maga coworker. I don't have the energy to debunk every stupid thing they say when they won't change their mind.
People only revolt when they can no longer do those things. Literal starvation is often the cause of revolution in history. Let’s face it America is not there. Yes life is becoming a crushing grind. Yes we have statistics from policy institutes about food insecurity blah blah. But America is not fucking starving. If a few are, they do not have the strength to overpower the many others who still have something left to lose.
There was a TON of organizing happening 10 years ago. Then Obama got reelected and everybody, except the people trying to do the organizing, went back to watching dancing with the stars
Nobody wanted to listen then, so now we are all getting to enjoy the same hand basket
Oh, and I forgot about the select few who decided that THEIR perspective outranked everybody else's, and used their petit tyranny to remove some very good willed people from certain organizing spaces
So, now some of us get to at least watch while those select few get hammered by this bullshit first.
As someone who has been paying attention and organizing for much longer than that, I will say that a lack of leadership is a legitimate part of the problem. This is just as much a case of the Left selling out to neoliberalism as it is the Right gaining strength. Without unifying leadership, minor groups run the risk of working against each other or more likely wasting their strength pulling in different directions.
A lot of people are mad.
A lot of people are tired.
A lot of people have lost hope.
A lot of people feel betrayed.
A lot of people see no path for change.
A lot of people want to just be left alone.
To me that’s what this is really about. I’m so tired of having to be so actively(or passively) involved with politics and have the “party” I support constantly drop the ball. It’s so incredibly exhausting putting this much mental wherewithal into people and ideas that are just tossed aside.
I feel like everything is turning to shit so fast and “this is what people wanted” cause they supposedly voted for him; but I feel like the time to really rally and strike isn’t here yet.
It still feels like everyone is getting their bearings and figuring it out. You can see people are starting to plan. It’s clear we can’t just REACT. There needs to be clear plans and action to stop this and prevent it from happening again.
I think a lot of people are very angry, but we need to focus and formulate a proper way to retaliate.
The time for rallying is now, every state had a protest this month on the 5th (50501). There's another one happening on President's Day. Attending these shows that people who are fed up are real and are here. I don't think peaceful protests will necessarily effect change BUT they are a place to gain visibility, meet like minded individuals, and build support groups. It won't grow if people don't show up!
I challenge your premise: They are mad. Not all of them, but plenty of people are upset and angry. More to follow the way things are going: The worse things get, the angrier they'll get.
Oh so angry. I'm going to go to work and do my masters bidding tomorrow I'm so angry!
Those guys killed in slave uprisings must have been fucking cool as shit. Imagin how hard it must of been to stand up to these very same bullies, in heart, mind, and spirit, back then.
I've seen people through hard times and through "good times." Life goes on. This strategy of waiting it out is always the wrong choice and maximizes the overall suffering of everyone. All just so you could have a few more years with a Netflix account.
I again challenge your premise: People are absolutely talking about it on a regular basis. It seems to be that you are living in a bubble. How many people do you even interact with and have open conversations with every day anyhow?
I don't own a gun and, personally, I find the idea barbaric.
But at this point I acknowledge that it's time to arm myself. This is how far our society has degenerated.
However, I 100% disagree with Jan 6. That was a bunch of children with absolutely zero understanding of what they were doing. That was an example of how NOT to have a meaningful rebellion against an oppressive system. Those were fools behaving like fools and cheapening the idea of activism. They had no grasp of what they were doing or why. They were the antithesis of a true patriot that wants what is best for their society and goes about achieving that in a responsible, effective manner that inspires people to be the best version of a democratic citizen. They should not be idolized. They are an embarrassment to our nation.
We should be setting a better example. We are shaming this democracy in a way that makes me physically ill. We are acting in a way as to paint us as failures in a historical context to future generations and it is truly shameful. This is our legacy.
We have all been told from different sources who or what to be mad about.
Some were so mad about contrived issues they voted in someone who campaigned on destroying the federal government.
Others are pissed off that that person who was voted in is destroying the federal government.
The outrage machine literally is why the fascist pig is in the Whitehouse in the first place.
What you might be asking is why we aren't rioting in the streets. Just know that some of us are 4 times as far from our countries capital as London is from Berlin. In a blue state, who would I be protesting to? The people who already agree with me?
Protests don’t work if the people in power don’t care. One dude with a gun did more to shake up people in power than any recent protest has. Look how Elon wears his kids as human shields now. Protests are to bring awareness, the world is aware. We are now in need of people willing to take action.
This one in particular has been so corrosive. I believe if people believed in their vote, something would change. But the electoral college does more harm than good by diluting the vote. Couple that with gerrymandering to completely erode people's trust in the system.
I’m mad. I’m very mad. I’m also very tired of watching political movements get shut down by the people who respond with “yes, we need to do better” followed by a handful of performative actions, and absolutely no substantive change.
I believe in a general strike. Wholeheartedly. I believe it would make real change. How the hell do I organize one safely? How do I trust any of the other people online who claim to be organizing them?
You don't? We were talking about a general strike in much larger numbers when r/antiwork fractured and we would hear the same thing, "we need time to prepare, we need to orginize." Years later, it's all the same excuses. The time to strike is now. You won't be ready in 5 years you won't be ready in 5 months. You're only ready when your courage surpasses your doubt.
A strike takes a lot of preparation, most of which is unionising and convincing your coworkers to join the strike when it’s time. A strike at a workplace is only successful if 75% of workers join in on it. Some US unions are ready for it, but a lot aren’t. If you want to contribute, join a union or start unionising. Resistance is built from the bottom up and strong unions are the most effective method.
Read Jane McAlevey No Shortcuts: Organising for Power in the New Gilded Age to learn about how to make a successful union and how powerful a successful union can be.
Join the union and find out. Most unions are still following the old ineffective strategy of advocacy instead of organising. But they are usually somewhat democratic so you do have a say in that.
You're only ready when your courage surpasses your doubt.
This. The real answer is that Americans won't come together in solidarity to address this situation until almost every non-wealthy citizen in this country has their quality of life decline so much that they have nothing left to lose. We're going to have to lose all our creature comforts before we take this seriously as a society. And honestly, by then, we'll have lost so much power that it'll be too late.
Realistically, the time is right now, and, if we're being candid, it probably already past.
I'm with you 10p%. We have to be louder about it though, most people just don't even see it. I don't have much faith in people to hear the message but we are not the deciding factor. The message needs to go out.
Same. I'm so mad and disappointed in America, but I can't let that override my compassion for its people. This whole thing is so frustrating to watch. Look at how the French do it, Americans! It's time to break some shit.
You have compassion for us Americans, and that’s nice, but bear in mind we voted for this. As much as the people who voted for Trump may have done so out of desperation, we still made a catastrophically stupid decision. Trump isn’t the problem, he’s a symptom. The problem lies in the American people. We have been squashed by both our government and our corporations. We need a wake-up call, and if that means we need to suffer from our own choices then so be it. Maybe we haven’t suffered enough yet. If we’re so dumb that we vote for a malignant narcissist like Donald Trump, maybe we need to be squashed a bit more. We have the power to take back our country, we just need the will to do it. Maybe that comes from more hardship and regret. Maybe that comes from more suffering.
But maybe not. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m so disappointed with my own countrymen right now, maybe I’m not seeing things clearly. I don’t know. But I know we deserve what we voted for. The world doesn’t, and that’s a tragedy, but maybe America needs to take a hit and the world needs to rely less on us for both America and the world to be better. Again, I don’t know.
Did we? There are some suspicions of voter fraud in some swing states and it sure as hell isn't below musk to attempt something like that.
Yet, I think that the past MAGA crazies screaming about "election fraud" and "stop the steal" has poisoned the well for legitimate future calls for investigating potential fraud in elections. On top of that it also makes people that question the results sound like the crazies of the past.
It could explain why trump is allowing so much power to musk.
</Tinfoil hat>
Source: I have no source. It's all feels over reals and a partial lack of acceptance that so many American people are that dumb.
We can't just claim that an undesirable outcome is the likely really of election fraud... I do wish the result was different but sewing a rumor that has no credible basis in reality serves minimal value.
I completely agree that we can't blindly blame this on election fraud, that is a form of denial. Which I will admit is part of my Tinfoil hat rant above.
But if there are credible sources that are stating they have doubts about the legitimacy of the results there should be an investigation. Note, this isn't really about this past election, I know of no evidence that shows fraud only slight rumblings from "unknown sources" which isn't legitimate to me.
My concern is that the Stop the Steal movement, that was using weak or even made up evidence to support their cause has made future allegations less likely to be taken seriously.
We're too distracted by struggling to survive our small local daily struggles to even SEE the big picture.
If there's a time bomb in the room ticking down before your eyes, yeah that's a big deal. If, in that same room, you're also being attacked by a pack of rabid dogs though, chances are you've stuck a pin in the whole "what about the bomb" thing.
And if there's a sniper outside the room preparing to shoot you without even a moment's notice that you KNOW is there and that you can't even see AS WELL, all you can hope for us that all the moving around you're doing to avoid being dragged down and torn apart by the rabid dogs will throw off their shots.
They have BLINDED US WITH TRAUMA.
Normal people are fighting for their lives on a daily basis JUST contending with their landlords, their bosses, their financial institutions, their utility expenses, their groceries. They don't see the ways in which these challenges are driven by the federal government's policies on a national scale.
r/conservative is a highly curated indoctrination machine. It's purpose is to pull in conservative leaning people and teach them party line. If your on r/conservative you're acquiescing to the group think or you stay silent.
But that's still an answer for you. It's easy to fight back if we're united, but they have a huge contingent of armed absolute morons celebrating the Nazification, rape, and pillaging of the country.
Visibly queer minority here! I’m probably gonna go to jail sometime in the next year for being trans in public. Until I do though, I’ve been lobbying state congress about some of the bills on the docket.
Who says we aren’t? Do you know how big this country is, and how much money it takes to fly to DC to protest? Do you understand that nobody wants to die for taking a shot at Trump or Elon?
Many people here stay in the place they were born. Even when they hate it. It's hard moving and leaving everything behind. It's tough moving to a new part of the country without any contacts.
I've relocated a few times, there's always a culture shock. You'd think it would be pretty much the same everywhere due to our saturated commercial culture, but it really is different everywhere. Sometimes just a few hours of separation between places can be two completely different worlds
We're a nation full of smaller countries, cultures and customs. It's hard to see that on the outside looking in due to so many of us parroting things online, as well as the media that we distribute throughout the world (movies, tv, music ect)
But it's a VAST nation of many different ways of life.
Your core supposition is wrong, basically everyone is mad about the state of our country. We just have several different ideas on how to fix it and two parties who are dedicated to making it worse.
And that's the problem. The two party system is flawed. It's either one extreme or the other. Moderates no longer have a say. As long as it's seen as my team vs yours and no side is willing to compromise this will always be the problem.
It gets said over and over but the country is huge and your experience can vary greatly. If you are a govt employee work is likely more chaotic, some more than others. Telework people coming back to the office, looming layoffs, people resigning/staying, big organizational shifts etc.
If you know a person deported of who may be deported you are probably very concerned for them and the world feels turned upside down.
But for most people the gas prices are about the same, groceries are about the same and their life is about the same. If it wasn't for the news/internet most people probably couldn't tell the difference between administrations so far. It takes a big event you can't easily ignore (Covid 19, Hurricane Helene, LA fires) for even ONE REGION of the country to focus on a problem for a while.
And even then if you are outside of that area people probably won't change their routine beyond posting about it.
But conditions everywhere are bad. Just because we've grown use to it doesn't mean the constant drain on your heart, body, and mind has gone away. I've never lived in a time where the world around me wasn't eriely cold and uncaring.
I guess it's storytime! The rural area I grew up in was full of unionized industry jobs that shut down in the 80s, and then the auto industry followed in the 2000s. Many moved and for those that stayed life had sucked for a long while.
But the local mall stayed relevant (there's not a whole lot else to do) and is now being filled with all kinds of new restauraunts and stores where old dead ones were. This was to meet demand since electric vehicle factories were built as well as amazon warehouses and other stuff. Then the taxes led to libraries and schools being built and upgraded.
Now it's not all sunshine and rainbows of course but for the people there the world seemed cold and uncaring for decades. Now in their eyes it's starting to come back and the federal government had little to do with it. I guess what I'm saying is that it's all pretty subjective
The inflation reduction act was in 2022, everything but amazon was built and operational prior but I get what you mean. I should have phrased it better.
Yes the federal govt likely had some role in getting favorable conditons for factories to be built. For people living there the following years (and years) of company cash flow caused a lot of the actual second and third order effects, not federal programs aimed at the region specifically. That is what I mean by "the fed govt had little to do with it (from the residents' pov)"
I think everyone's news feeds are full of everything Trump's administration is doing. I personally have not seen a single mention of anything being done against that, though to be fair I am not American. If there are indeed protests of any kind maybe it would be worth mentioning them, it'd certainly help me and I assume others feel a bit more optimistic.
The reason you see little official pushback from within the US is because things are far more dire here than you might imagine, as an outsider. The US Republican Party (aka GOP - Trump's party) is currently in control of all three branches of the US federal government. Ever since Trump took office, it's been one step toward constitutional crisis after another, and apparently the Republicans don't give a shit about rule of law when it comes to policing their own. The Democrats (our nominal "opposition" party) can't really do shit right now except at the local level. We have an unelected CEO compromising every branch of our nation's government with all the Republicans looking the other way. To be honest, I'm past the point of expecting a fair election in four years. As an American who grew up learning to value the ideals of personal freedom and liberty, to see what is happening to my country leaves me OUTRAGED.
There was a protest in every single state capitol on February 3rd and many more cities like San Francisco as well. There will be another 50+ protests on Monday.
The majority aren’t at the point where they are willing to sacrifice everything yet. They have families, homes, food, friends. Currently the administration hasn’t taken away enough from enough people to get it really going. It will be coming though. People just haven’t felt the affects yet
As a young man (I’m under 30) with 2 kids I feel stuck like this. A lot of the protesting actions I would have taken are tapered by “I have to be around for my kids”, but at the same time this country is not how I want my kids to be raised in and I don’t know my own red line for this. Suffice to say if I’m thinking about this 3 weeks into Trump’s America, then I hope I will feel compelled to be more active. NYC might be coming to a heat with the Mayor Adam’s BS so I’m keeping my eye out for any manifestations in the city.
Because people believe that they might be able keep what they have if they keep quiet and also believe they might loose their way or life or in general their life if they take up arms
Their way of life is disintegrating before their eyes. Even the people who have generational wealth will start to see their small hoard be taken. What they really want is to ride it out as long as possible and they think the status quo will save them. They think the status quo is invincible. I'm telling you the status quo just got purged from the government but keep on hoping.
Serious question: wouldn't the MAGA/Republicans just pick up arms in return?
It feels like the divide in the US is so massive right now that you can't agree on anything at all. No offence intended...
I'm pissed off. I don't know what I'm supposed to do about it. If there's a protest near me I'll join it. If I see somebody getting fucked with by a Nazi I'll step in but I have responsibilities and a job and can't really afford to travel. So until shit really kicks off I'm kind of stuck in this state where I can't do anything.
Most of us want someone else to do what needs to be done because we're too busy simply making ends meet. Sure, let me just call out of work to do some protesting, oh shit, now I can't afford rent, or food, or my meds, or paying off my last Dr visit, etc.
Would you like me to be homeless or in the hospital from not being able to afford my medications? You seem pretty willing to sacrifice people like me at the altar.
I suppose I didn't properly convey my situation. Being homeless, going without my medications, means I will die. Its not a "sacrifice current comfort for the future" thing for me. If things truly go as bad as you're so sure they will, then it means I die anyway, so I'm not gonna just make it happen right away to satisfy a stranger on the internet that has a lot of opinions, but as far as I care, is doing just as much as the rest of us.
Lets be clear here, it's the current administration that doesn't care if you die on the streets. Plenty of homeless are out there today with no one checking in on their medical conditions.
My point? I'm not your enemy. I don't want you to be put out. I would support you as many others would. It's the only way. We are not your enemy. You can trust the people fighting for you and people like you.
I’m optimistic that in four years we’ll have an opportunity to start rebuilding. I can only hope our friends abroad have patience while we go through our meltdown, that somehow there’s enough economic inertia to control acceleration of climate change, and that most of us can keep our heads above water.
Then again, I’m trying to figure out how to tell my son we can’t afford his first choice college because of financial aid changes made by republicans during trumps first term, taking effect now. Sacrificing the future is getting personal
I'm telling you now, four years will be to late. There is no world where you let authoritarians walk all over you for four years and they just go away.
I'm mad, but what? Once we pull out the guillotines there's no going back, so right now I'm hoping that checks and balances thing starts to kick in soon.
I agree. I fought very hard for harm reduction. I just think the time for that has came and went. Now we have to mobilize the population and that's like a 10 year ordeal, if it's possible at all. It's slow going but we gave the democrats 8 years to do something I think 10 years for the people to get their act together might be doable.
30 years of watching progressive movements flounder and civil action lead to absolutely zero substantial changes has given me a defeatist attitude. What good is getting mad? It's not like it will change anything.
From the outside it seems that your progressive movements were a pretty good tool to spread thin the effort that could have gone someplace right, and also to weaken movements which were targeted at the real problems (for example, in the small world of FOSS it's how FSF and GNU were slowly marginalized into something perceived as unreasonable and Stallman specifically pressed out, and no, his logically correct defense of some kinds of pedophilia and him being generally cringe were not the reason).
Also let's please remember that everyone flocking to centralized platforms was welcomed by those progressive movements, their activists for whichever reason thought that the scale and the censorship will work in their favor and not those calling to fell the tall trees.
So - this is the logical outcome of what various movements have been doing. This part should make you optimist. And the feeling that you can't certainly show at something at say that it will succeed should be liberating, not depressing.
Like it or not social media got us here. Just not your social media. I could argue with you all day but I won't. Your message is stupid and a self defeating prophecy. 350000000 people in the US and I don't need to turn you. I need to reach any other of the 3499999999 who won't waste my time.
Ever get tired of the hole you live in come join us on the surface. Our drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens.
Because a third of Americans are uninformed, another third is misinformed and thinks the current administration is in line with their goals, the other third is being gaslit by the other 2/3s that this is normal... And for those not buying the gaslighting, they are ignored and still too small of a group to do much.
I think internet in general specifically social media. It allows you to vent your frustrations without doing actual damage. It's also easy to disconnect compared to marching to the streets.
I think social media has done tons of damage. It think it brought together a group of people who would have never found each other, because they don't have any decernable skills, and let them spread and consume misinformation at alarming rates.
You don't scare me and you have failed in your attempt to discourage me. I'll trade one meat grinder for another and the government will have more ground meat then they know what to do with.
don't scare me and you have failed in your attempt to discourage
At what point did I try to scare you? I'm just trying to make you realize that people are upset, they just don't see a lot of options to do anything about it.
You complaining on the Internet is not doing anything more than any other american currently upset at the government. Trying to posture yourself as some warrior of justice from your computer chair doesn't validate belittling other people's feelings on the matter.
Once again I ask, what makes you think you are any more upset than anyone else? What actions have you committed that makes your anger more real than others?
We are mad but we are also distracted and overwhelmed. You can't get mad at work because you might get fired. Then there goes your housing and food and healthcare. It's going to have to get a lot worse before things pop off.
I think we're just on a down wave globally. In early 00s we got social media which helped to organize people and lead to real actionable ideas. The bad actors figured it out and took control of our tools and now people are waiting for a new opportunity.
I think Americans need a strong leader and something to break the camel's back. Everyone's who's angry now doesn't have a good "deal" for risking exposure and their complacency because the failures are just too recent.
"Wanting a strong leader" is what gave us trump. You be a leader or allow yourself to be led by people in your local community. There is no perfect leader that could ever check everyone's boxes. If there was one thing we could all agree on I'd like to know what it fucking is.
trump isn't a strong leader, he's a very accomplished con artist.
He allows people to project their vision of who he is on him.
You say I'm christian? Sure I'll pretend I am
You say I'm anti abortion? Sure I'll pretend that I am
You say I'm for the little guy? Sure, I'll pretend that I care about them
You say I'm anti-vax? Sure, I'll tell you that I am
You say I'm the second coming of Christ? Okay, I'm good with you thinking that about me
You say I'm a strong patriot? Sure, I'll hug the flag and say the words you need me to say
He is everything to everyone of his supporters because he never tells them that they are wrong about who he is.
A strong leader is someone that has strong convictions and articulates them in a way that resonates with the population. They are not people that waffle in their ideals, you either like their stance or you don't. Smart ones will adjust their ideas over time but they do this from a strong ideological foundation. Some are genuinely good people like MLK, jr. others are more despotic. What America needs is one or two genuinely good strong leaders.
I don't think so. America will never settle on one or two people to be their leader. They need you to be a leader or they need you to give your support to someone else who is decent enough leader to represent you. What you want is a magic bullet. Some one else to solve all your problems all at once. It doesn't exist. Americans are notorious in their purity tests and infighting. When what all the American people need to do is compromise then there is no leader that can convince them to compromise for himself.
I think we are talking about leadership at different points of time.
The leader that America needs right now is someone to articulate and draw people together behind the idea of "Throwing the bums out" and in that context there is a large coalition of people that agree with that sentiment.
What happens after the bums are gone is where the in-fighting and purity tests start to take hold. But having the opportunity to argue about whether Leader A's policy of taxing the billionaires at 90% vs. Leader B's policy of 70% tax rate on them would be a welcomed change.
I've gone through all the stages of grief and I don't live there. I honestly don't know why it does or even should bother me. I guess there is some part of me that hates injustice and has some nostalgia for an America, real or always imagined, that was trying to do its best for the free world (even though that was, in many cases, found to be objectively not true later).
If anything, it seems like they may finally get rid of some of the stuff that makes it difficult to impossible for US people living overseas to use certain retirement vehicles without committing tax fraud (PFICs; PFICs everywhere and I can't put income into my US tax-advantaged vehicles due to rules on that side), but potentially doing one thing that helps me does not do anything to assuage my revulsion and rage at the current situation.
Just that the minority that are happy about it and the billionaires that own all forms of media keep sweeping that fact under the rug. Or they put a question mark at the end of it. Are Americans all that upset about trump? How much damage is trump really doing? And then they softball the response to questions like that with “who really knows what the damage will be? when it’s objective what the results are and the future holds.
Their entire life they've been told fascism is bad, it is, they don't want to accept that what they want makes them the bad guys, so those of us who want what's happening are still going to deny it's fascism.
Those of us who are extremely upset about the state of our country are constantly wondering WTF is wrong with the other ones. I think a large part of it is a slow, progressive dumbing down by our growing addiction to entertainment and convenience. We've become a nation of 13-year-olds who think mom is a bitch for making us go to the dentist.
We are mad and we’re getting madder. We just haven’t hit the fever pitch yet. There hasn’t been a catalyst.
But eventually there will be one and we’ll be able to coalesce around it. Seems like Moscow Musk is starting to be the foil, but so could a number of other things: egg prices, bid flu, new Hoovervilles. Something will make it happen.
Why are we still talking about this? I'm over it. I'm over the democrats too. I'd sit with the Palestinians at lunch time rather than the DNC any day, anyway.
I'm definitely over being emotionally invested in the consequences of their entitlement within the US. I, unfortunately, like the rest of the world, don't get to be over the consequences elsewhere.
Nahh. I know those people. They've never felt a bit of happiness in their life. They might feel satisfaction when others are pained but these are truly miserable people.
Meh, I think disagreeing with them doesn’t make them miserable. A lot of family voted for them and they aren’t “trumpers” or miserable. Probably happier than me. That’s kind of wishful thinking on your part.
Edit:noticing your relevant username gave me a chuckle ;D
I believe you, but this is also a very left-leaning site that pretty much filters out all of the conservative idiocy from it. The general public doesn't seem to give a shit and when I go out and about in the world it's like nothing has even changed. I suspect it will be this way for a while even if eventually there is full-blown fascism with a world war and death camps. I remember reading remarks by people who were around during the formation of the Third Reich in Germany and I remember them writing something like all the shops and everything were open and people were going to work like normal for a large portion of it. There was even a person that didn't realize how crazy the country had gotten until he saw his small child imitating Hitler and saying antisemitic shit about Jews.
Maybe they should start assessing what they should really be afraid of. Take a deep dive into what Russia is really like because that's what the GOP sold us out for.
Random question but are any Americans being more careless with loans? It kind of seems like the US is on a crash course with an iceberg and I admit I'd feel a bit more at ease with debt in that situation than normally
I’m infuriated! It’s like the US has lost their collective minds. But what’s the point in doing anything? This is what the voting populace of the US wants.
I don't think that is true. It wasn't a majority. (Although that's a nitpick, it was close enough to say that about half of all voters voted for Trump.)
A more important consideration is that the majority of people who did vote for him are incredibly naive when it comes to politics. They think that the president sets gas prices, or that Trump and Musk are geniuses because they say they are. Most of them feel disenfranchised by both political parties, and this is a brick through the window of the established order. I don't think most of the electorate thought this through much beyond that.
I honestly don't know what difference it will make in the long run, but I don't think it is true to say that this is what most people wanted.
Why would they be mad? Why would they be mad about DEI when they are still the most catered too and entrenched class with access to generational wealth. I will go on if you press me further.
Not sure I understand your comment. Maybe mine wasn't clear either. The question was: What keeps Americans from being mad about the state of their country? My clarified response is: Because most Americans are racist and voted for a racist and they're not mad because the current state of their country is exact what they want.
Maybe not a nuianced or particularly fair response but, regardless, I'm not sure what that has to do with my behavior or feelings.
I thought you were saying they were racists and the want you to be angry. You know, "own the libs."
I don't know man, I'm so disheartened right now. Trump just declared he was the only person who could interpret law and the courts have dismissed all the cases against doge.
All I see is memes and and memes and memes when my country just changed its status to oligarchy. I'm tired. I'll be better in the morning. Sorry I didn't catch your meaning. You're good.
No honestly most are mad in some sorta of way but we have a militia of trigger happy enforces and the biggest military in the world. Not much we can do without outside support. If we peacefully protest. They arrest you, shoot and kill you. Call you a terrorist, possibly even ban you from getting jobs.
Yeah no worries for me. While it may sometimes feel hopeless but I have to try. Only issue is I’ve applied at over 7k jobs and barely heard back from 40-50.
It is an ingrained attitude seen through statements like "leaders of the freeworld", "the great american experiment", "the most powerful person in the world (potus)", etc.
Americans have too much pride in a shithole country. There just isnt much justifiable pride to be found in modern america yet the leading party over every part of government maintains this greatest countrt ever bs.
Great, a lot of times this attitude comes from having not been elsewhere but maybe not with you. I cant personally see any great benefit.other than weather and landmarks but that is just down to size and ability to travel negates it.
Lets not forget that America’s founding was a rich man’s revolution. It was the wealthy here who banded together to expunge their parent corporation and go independent. There is no tradition of popular revolt in this country, unless you want to count the civil war, wherein the wealthy (again) weaponized the racism of the lower class to protect their business interests. That part sound familiar?
Americans ARE mad, but the moderates and liberals have been on a decades-long crusade against gun ownership and now they dont know what to do because they aren't armed, and when you tell them to arm up and march they start whining sone bullshit about MLK and Ghandi even though one was shot and the other never did anything of use.
9/11 happened because they'd been told all their life to stay in their seats and let authorities handle hijackings. Despite all the chest-pounding and fist-pumping, Americans are weak, lily-livered pussy-assed losers and will absolutely be destroyed by inaction exactly like Biden's legacy will be.
I'm not in trouble at all. I'm financially independent, in a rural town, with my own place and land, and I don't work for anyone.
And I also know that you the world isn't going to end just because Trump is president. You all just doomscroll all day. Go outside. No one takes this as seriously as Lemmy does. lol
You think you're in the clear and you're cool with Trump and all. But there's one thing I know: the minute he wrongs you - be it your tax return check not being mailed because the IRS is in shambles, or the water at your tap tasting like shit because the EPA is in shambles and someone started fracking in your area, or ICE invading your property because someone told them you're harboring illegal migrants... you'll become the most ardent Trump hater.
It's always the same with evangelists: all it takes is one little thing and they flip so hard they become rabid haters of what they used to believe in.
What do you like most? The rampant corruption, the oligarchs siphoning money directly out of your taxes, the farmers being hurt and some who are yet to know it, or just the growth of racism and sexism brought on by this?
Number of working class people hurt: millions
Number of billionaires helped, hundreds
Number of idiots who think the trickle down effect works: To many illiterate people.
Helping China and Russia daily.
Mothers of our kids and those kids, hurt daily. Enjoy yourself. But everything I said is true and some day maybe you'll see it. Until then, your ignorance is bliss
Most of my countrymen are very, very fucking stupid.
The rest are generally angry
The stupid ones are angry too... They're just so stupid they are angry at the wrong things/people
Nice, so we're all angry! We did it!
Oh, my baseline emotional state these days is fury, but it’s because I know where this road leads, and it damages my calm constantly to know that the powers that be don’t seem to give a fuck.
The powers that be are in on it
The powers that be are in on it in the sense that they are the literal, whole problem.
See, I don't know where I fall on this list. Because I'm angry everyday, but I'm also pretty stupid. Then I see how stupid OTHER people are.
Like I'm over here wondering if the universe is infinate, how is it expanding? Doesn't that negate the concept of it being infinite? Or, if it's not infinite, but it is expanding, doesn't that suggest that the galaxy is, in perspective, very very young? We've found other planets that can support life. We have no evidence that life is on those planets. I'm willing to bet there IS life on those planets. It may be microscopic, and maybe it's still in the water, but I bet it's there. Which then raises the obvious question which we have no way in our lifetimes to accurately answer. Will those planets generate a naturally evolved set of humans completely unrelated to earths humans? I mean, logic says no, right? Theres so many variables, that they would evolve to cater to the needs of their planet. Right?
Then I see guys get on the bus, and rummage through the trash can, and yell "WHY DOESN'T ANYONE THROW OUT GOLD OR DIAMONDS, OR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS???"
That is a true story. I saw that.
And I wonder to myself, am I as stupid as I think? Is the whole scale slanted? I feel smarter than those around me.....but I also feel like those around me are a few brain cells away from being medically classified as mentally retarded. So it doesn't feel like I've cleared an especially high hurdle there.
But we all know the government lies to us. If they DO know of another life form out there, would they even tell us? I don't think so. That makes me angry, because I know we don't have the technology to visit those planets. They're hundreds of light years away.
So realistically, we would have to start development on a transportation method that travels hundreds of thousands times faster than the speed of light to be able to get there with any realistic time frames. Nobody is going to sit on a space ship traveling for 4 years straight. But that kind of speed in an astroid filled space, with rocks just floating about? You'd have no ability to fly that fast. Any crash would be lethal, and it would happen virtually instantly if you're traveling like 400,000x the speed of light.
So what did we do before here on earth when traveling long dangerous distances? We built permanent solutions that are still in place today, hundreds of years later. Train tracks!
YES!!!! LETS BUILD BULLET SPACE TRAINS!!!! AWWWW YEAH!!!
In space, nobody can hear you choo choo motherfucker!
This post is a journey, not a destination.
I want to comment on the username without it being cliche.
Nothing. Everyone I know is very mad about it. The people who aren't mad about it aren't mad because they're being lied to and told that all their racism, homophobia, xenophobia and just plain mean spiritedness is somehow normal and good.
I assure you that anyone who isn't a monster is very unhappy about the whole situation
I dunno, I walk through my day and most people's demeanor hasn't changed in the slightest. The way we suppress all this is very severancesque. Like sure we have our outies memory's but seems we don't have their emotions.
I'm unhappy and angry at the situation. But, am I supposed to mope around all day or have depressing conversations with everyone I meet? Should I start fighting every Trump supporter in my small town?
For some reason your rhetorical question about fighting everyone reminded me of this very important quiz. Know thyself or something.
https://theoatmeal.com/quiz/baboon_dildo/
I don't know. I just know maybe we hold back when we shouldn't. Doesn't that just demonstrate their control over us?
It's hard to truly internalize this but no matter what you think about something and/or how wrong you think someone else is, we are walking through life with imperfect imaginings of what other people think and feel. Trying to make sense of people is even harder than making sense of a person. And we are quite literally incapable of truly knowing what goes on in someone else's head.
Definitely ask these questions but don't drive yourself crazy if people don't make sense. The behaviors and actions we witness in others are only the emergent characteristics of a lot of brain activity that we aren't privy to.
Maybe it's time to be a little crazy. If "a little crazy" is not living in an autocracy.
Because most people are blissfully ignorant. They're going about their day and if anything they're possibly reminded that Trump is president by some news channel they pass over on their way to the newest true crime show or whatever the hell is on tictok.
Most people couldn't be forced to care if you had a gun to their heads as evidenced by our disgusting voting numbers. "Didn't vote" would win every election if it was a candidate.
Most people "aren't political" which is nice if only politics didn't affect your life so deeply. :/
I guess that's true but who is watching the news then? Who is posting online?
Not enough people unfortunately, although I'm sure there is some overlap between those that don't vote but still watch the news. I think we overestimate how many people are "politically engaged."
Most people won't talk politics unless they know the other person's opinions already. I've had discussions about every day with my friends and wife, but there is no way I'm going to get into a discussion with my parents or maga coworker. I don't have the energy to debunk every stupid thing they say when they won't change their mind.
Busy with day to day affairs, gotta pay rent/mortgage/medical bills, gotta feed the family, gotta keep working, can't take risks, ...
That sounds like it should make you mad
It does, but I'm busy with day to day affairs, gotta pay rent/mortgage/medical bills, gotta feed the family, gotta keep working, can’t take risks, …
People only revolt when they can no longer do those things. Literal starvation is often the cause of revolution in history. Let’s face it America is not there. Yes life is becoming a crushing grind. Yes we have statistics from policy institutes about food insecurity blah blah. But America is not fucking starving. If a few are, they do not have the strength to overpower the many others who still have something left to lose.
The sitting around, waiting for “someone” to stop the madness, instead of organizing …fucking 10 years ago.
There was a TON of organizing happening 10 years ago. Then Obama got reelected and everybody, except the people trying to do the organizing, went back to watching dancing with the stars
Nobody wanted to listen then, so now we are all getting to enjoy the same hand basket
Oh, and I forgot about the select few who decided that THEIR perspective outranked everybody else's, and used their petit tyranny to remove some very good willed people from certain organizing spaces
So, now some of us get to at least watch while those select few get hammered by this bullshit first.
Looking at YOU Monica
As someone who has been paying attention and organizing for much longer than that, I will say that a lack of leadership is a legitimate part of the problem. This is just as much a case of the Left selling out to neoliberalism as it is the Right gaining strength. Without unifying leadership, minor groups run the risk of working against each other or more likely wasting their strength pulling in different directions.
A lot of people are mad. A lot of people are tired. A lot of people have lost hope. A lot of people feel betrayed. A lot of people see no path for change. A lot of people want to just be left alone.
To me that’s what this is really about. I’m so tired of having to be so actively(or passively) involved with politics and have the “party” I support constantly drop the ball. It’s so incredibly exhausting putting this much mental wherewithal into people and ideas that are just tossed aside.
I feel like everything is turning to shit so fast and “this is what people wanted” cause they supposedly voted for him; but I feel like the time to really rally and strike isn’t here yet.
It still feels like everyone is getting their bearings and figuring it out. You can see people are starting to plan. It’s clear we can’t just REACT. There needs to be clear plans and action to stop this and prevent it from happening again.
I think a lot of people are very angry, but we need to focus and formulate a proper way to retaliate.
The time for rallying is now, every state had a protest this month on the 5th (50501). There's another one happening on President's Day. Attending these shows that people who are fed up are real and are here. I don't think peaceful protests will necessarily effect change BUT they are a place to gain visibility, meet like minded individuals, and build support groups. It won't grow if people don't show up!
I challenge your premise: They are mad. Not all of them, but plenty of people are upset and angry. More to follow the way things are going: The worse things get, the angrier they'll get.
If you're not angry enough to even mention it in your daily life, are you really angry?
Who the fuck said they aren't?
You?
Fuck outta here.
Oh so angry. I'm going to go to work and do my masters bidding tomorrow I'm so angry!
Those guys killed in slave uprisings must have been fucking cool as shit. Imagin how hard it must of been to stand up to these very same bullies, in heart, mind, and spirit, back then.
I've seen people through hard times and through "good times." Life goes on. This strategy of waiting it out is always the wrong choice and maximizes the overall suffering of everyone. All just so you could have a few more years with a Netflix account.
I again challenge your premise: People are absolutely talking about it on a regular basis. It seems to be that you are living in a bubble. How many people do you even interact with and have open conversations with every day anyhow?
How dare you challenge me. Jk, I'm not like a super social person but I'm glad your experience is different from mine.
Just your premise :P
Lack of organization. We're many of us individually mad, but there is no organization.
Say what you will but Jan 6th and then some is what we should be doing, but we aren't.
All I'm doing now is hoarding ammunition and periodically buying more guns because I 1000% believe we're going to see war soon.
I'm also donating money to charities, helping people in my community that are struggling, and telling fascists to fuck off.
I don't own a gun and, personally, I find the idea barbaric.
But at this point I acknowledge that it's time to arm myself. This is how far our society has degenerated.
However, I 100% disagree with Jan 6. That was a bunch of children with absolutely zero understanding of what they were doing. That was an example of how NOT to have a meaningful rebellion against an oppressive system. Those were fools behaving like fools and cheapening the idea of activism. They had no grasp of what they were doing or why. They were the antithesis of a true patriot that wants what is best for their society and goes about achieving that in a responsible, effective manner that inspires people to be the best version of a democratic citizen. They should not be idolized. They are an embarrassment to our nation.
We should be setting a better example. We are shaming this democracy in a way that makes me physically ill. We are acting in a way as to paint us as failures in a historical context to future generations and it is truly shameful. This is our legacy.
How do we set a better example / take the high road but actually make progress though?
Lawsuits and protests are going to do nothing at this point.
We all are. The left and the right.
We have all been told from different sources who or what to be mad about.
Some were so mad about contrived issues they voted in someone who campaigned on destroying the federal government.
Others are pissed off that that person who was voted in is destroying the federal government.
The outrage machine literally is why the fascist pig is in the Whitehouse in the first place.
What you might be asking is why we aren't rioting in the streets. Just know that some of us are 4 times as far from our countries capital as London is from Berlin. In a blue state, who would I be protesting to? The people who already agree with me?
Protests don’t work if the people in power don’t care. One dude with a gun did more to shake up people in power than any recent protest has. Look how Elon wears his kids as human shields now. Protests are to bring awareness, the world is aware. We are now in need of people willing to take action.
So, logistics?
If you ever need a ride ;-) <3
I'm not American, but from what I can see, its mostly:
The last one is insistent. Probably because there is a lot of truth to it but it's also obviously flawed and deserves more nuance.
It feels like there is little that can be done individually, but collectively everyone can do a lot.
The USA is a big nation. Lots of people from very diverse backgrounds. Coming together for a common cause isn't something that happens everyday.
Especially since 2 Americans with multiple generations of American ancestry can have drastically different historical experiences.
Not being clued in is a serious problem here. A lot of people dont take in any form of news whatsoever
This one in particular has been so corrosive. I believe if people believed in their vote, something would change. But the electoral college does more harm than good by diluting the vote. Couple that with gerrymandering to completely erode people's trust in the system.
I’m mad. I’m very mad. I’m also very tired of watching political movements get shut down by the people who respond with “yes, we need to do better” followed by a handful of performative actions, and absolutely no substantive change.
I believe in a general strike. Wholeheartedly. I believe it would make real change. How the hell do I organize one safely? How do I trust any of the other people online who claim to be organizing them?
Jane McAlevey No Shortcuts: Organising for Power in the New Gilded Age is a great book to learn about unions and union strategy
You don't? We were talking about a general strike in much larger numbers when r/antiwork fractured and we would hear the same thing, "we need time to prepare, we need to orginize." Years later, it's all the same excuses. The time to strike is now. You won't be ready in 5 years you won't be ready in 5 months. You're only ready when your courage surpasses your doubt.
A strike takes a lot of preparation, most of which is unionising and convincing your coworkers to join the strike when it’s time. A strike at a workplace is only successful if 75% of workers join in on it. Some US unions are ready for it, but a lot aren’t. If you want to contribute, join a union or start unionising. Resistance is built from the bottom up and strong unions are the most effective method.
Read Jane McAlevey No Shortcuts: Organising for Power in the New Gilded Age to learn about how to make a successful union and how powerful a successful union can be.
Then why us there no organizing? My work is unionized.
Join the union and find out. Most unions are still following the old ineffective strategy of advocacy instead of organising. But they are usually somewhat democratic so you do have a say in that.
This. The real answer is that Americans won't come together in solidarity to address this situation until almost every non-wealthy citizen in this country has their quality of life decline so much that they have nothing left to lose. We're going to have to lose all our creature comforts before we take this seriously as a society. And honestly, by then, we'll have lost so much power that it'll be too late.
Realistically, the time is right now, and, if we're being candid, it probably already past.
We are sooooo fucked.
I'm with you 10p%. We have to be louder about it though, most people just don't even see it. I don't have much faith in people to hear the message but we are not the deciding factor. The message needs to go out.
I'm not even American and I'm mad. Most of what I've heard from Americans is that they're mad.
Same. I'm so mad and disappointed in America, but I can't let that override my compassion for its people. This whole thing is so frustrating to watch. Look at how the French do it, Americans! It's time to break some shit.
You have compassion for us Americans, and that’s nice, but bear in mind we voted for this. As much as the people who voted for Trump may have done so out of desperation, we still made a catastrophically stupid decision. Trump isn’t the problem, he’s a symptom. The problem lies in the American people. We have been squashed by both our government and our corporations. We need a wake-up call, and if that means we need to suffer from our own choices then so be it. Maybe we haven’t suffered enough yet. If we’re so dumb that we vote for a malignant narcissist like Donald Trump, maybe we need to be squashed a bit more. We have the power to take back our country, we just need the will to do it. Maybe that comes from more hardship and regret. Maybe that comes from more suffering.
But maybe not. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m so disappointed with my own countrymen right now, maybe I’m not seeing things clearly. I don’t know. But I know we deserve what we voted for. The world doesn’t, and that’s a tragedy, but maybe America needs to take a hit and the world needs to rely less on us for both America and the world to be better. Again, I don’t know.
Did we? There are some suspicions of voter fraud in some swing states and it sure as hell isn't below musk to attempt something like that.
Yet, I think that the past MAGA crazies screaming about "election fraud" and "stop the steal" has poisoned the well for legitimate future calls for investigating potential fraud in elections. On top of that it also makes people that question the results sound like the crazies of the past.
It could explain why trump is allowing so much power to musk.
</Tinfoil hat>
Source: I have no source. It's all feels over reals and a partial lack of acceptance that so many American people are that dumb.
We can't just claim that an undesirable outcome is the likely really of election fraud... I do wish the result was different but sewing a rumor that has no credible basis in reality serves minimal value.
I completely agree that we can't blindly blame this on election fraud, that is a form of denial. Which I will admit is part of my Tinfoil hat rant above.
But if there are credible sources that are stating they have doubts about the legitimacy of the results there should be an investigation. Note, this isn't really about this past election, I know of no evidence that shows fraud only slight rumblings from "unknown sources" which isn't legitimate to me.
My concern is that the Stop the Steal movement, that was using weak or even made up evidence to support their cause has made future allegations less likely to be taken seriously.
Real talk?
Because I'm tired. So absurdly tired. Tired of the stupid and the sensationalism and the faked anger and the real suffering and pain.
Am I mad? Yeah. But unfortunately I'm way more tired.
I'm tired too. Come on, let's get this thing over with.
Brainwashing from the moment they were born
My education in California was only to facilitate me becoming a wage slave.
Prussian schooling everywhere.
https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-public-schools-in-your-country-are-designed-to-make-kids-docile-obedient-workers-for-the-upper-class/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
Fatigue.
We're too distracted by struggling to survive our small local daily struggles to even SEE the big picture.
If there's a time bomb in the room ticking down before your eyes, yeah that's a big deal. If, in that same room, you're also being attacked by a pack of rabid dogs though, chances are you've stuck a pin in the whole "what about the bomb" thing.
And if there's a sniper outside the room preparing to shoot you without even a moment's notice that you KNOW is there and that you can't even see AS WELL, all you can hope for us that all the moving around you're doing to avoid being dragged down and torn apart by the rabid dogs will throw off their shots.
They have BLINDED US WITH TRAUMA.
Normal people are fighting for their lives on a daily basis JUST contending with their landlords, their bosses, their financial institutions, their utility expenses, their groceries. They don't see the ways in which these challenges are driven by the federal government's policies on a national scale.
What makes you think we aren’t mad?
Just the general resistance to taking action.
we are leaderless. acting individually looks like a public tantrum. acting as one makes a movement.
I'll be your leader. I send you to spread the word, "act now or regret later."
There's a sort of depression and malaise there.
Was reading r/conservative to see what's on their minds regarding the events of late, and they are in there celebrating.
r/conservative is a highly curated indoctrination machine. It's purpose is to pull in conservative leaning people and teach them party line. If your on r/conservative you're acquiescing to the group think or you stay silent.
But that's still an answer for you. It's easy to fight back if we're united, but they have a huge contingent of armed absolute morons celebrating the Nazification, rape, and pillaging of the country.
Visibly queer minority here! I’m probably gonna go to jail sometime in the next year for being trans in public. Until I do though, I’ve been lobbying state congress about some of the bills on the docket.
Please reach out if things get desperate. I probably can't help but sure as shit would try.
Bread and circuses
Who says we aren’t? Do you know how big this country is, and how much money it takes to fly to DC to protest? Do you understand that nobody wants to die for taking a shot at Trump or Elon?
I don't think many outside of here do.
Many people here stay in the place they were born. Even when they hate it. It's hard moving and leaving everything behind. It's tough moving to a new part of the country without any contacts.
I've relocated a few times, there's always a culture shock. You'd think it would be pretty much the same everywhere due to our saturated commercial culture, but it really is different everywhere. Sometimes just a few hours of separation between places can be two completely different worlds
We're a nation full of smaller countries, cultures and customs. It's hard to see that on the outside looking in due to so many of us parroting things online, as well as the media that we distribute throughout the world (movies, tv, music ect)
But it's a VAST nation of many different ways of life.
Your core supposition is wrong, basically everyone is mad about the state of our country. We just have several different ideas on how to fix it and two parties who are dedicated to making it worse.
And that's the problem. The two party system is flawed. It's either one extreme or the other. Moderates no longer have a say. As long as it's seen as my team vs yours and no side is willing to compromise this will always be the problem.
Many view the democrats as being right of centre already and that "moderates" are largely unrepresented because both parties lean right.
Respectfully, I disagree. I struggle to think of candidates more milquetoast than Biden and Harris of all people.
I think the problem is that we have no progressives. The right moves things right, the center does nothing, and there is no left.
Republicans have majority control over the media. They don't know what's happening because their news doesn't cover it.
It gets said over and over but the country is huge and your experience can vary greatly. If you are a govt employee work is likely more chaotic, some more than others. Telework people coming back to the office, looming layoffs, people resigning/staying, big organizational shifts etc.
If you know a person deported of who may be deported you are probably very concerned for them and the world feels turned upside down.
But for most people the gas prices are about the same, groceries are about the same and their life is about the same. If it wasn't for the news/internet most people probably couldn't tell the difference between administrations so far. It takes a big event you can't easily ignore (Covid 19, Hurricane Helene, LA fires) for even ONE REGION of the country to focus on a problem for a while.
And even then if you are outside of that area people probably won't change their routine beyond posting about it.
But conditions everywhere are bad. Just because we've grown use to it doesn't mean the constant drain on your heart, body, and mind has gone away. I've never lived in a time where the world around me wasn't eriely cold and uncaring.
I guess it's storytime! The rural area I grew up in was full of unionized industry jobs that shut down in the 80s, and then the auto industry followed in the 2000s. Many moved and for those that stayed life had sucked for a long while.
But the local mall stayed relevant (there's not a whole lot else to do) and is now being filled with all kinds of new restauraunts and stores where old dead ones were. This was to meet demand since electric vehicle factories were built as well as amazon warehouses and other stuff. Then the taxes led to libraries and schools being built and upgraded.
Now it's not all sunshine and rainbows of course but for the people there the world seemed cold and uncaring for decades. Now in their eyes it's starting to come back and the federal government had little to do with it. I guess what I'm saying is that it's all pretty subjective
"electric vehicles factories were built" "the government had nothing to do with it."
These people deserve trump, Amazon, and poverty if they can't see the connection between the inflation reduction act and electric vehicle factories.
That's the only good thing about democracy. You generally get the government you deserve.
The inflation reduction act was in 2022, everything but amazon was built and operational prior but I get what you mean. I should have phrased it better.
Yes the federal govt likely had some role in getting favorable conditons for factories to be built. For people living there the following years (and years) of company cash flow caused a lot of the actual second and third order effects, not federal programs aimed at the region specifically. That is what I mean by "the fed govt had little to do with it (from the residents' pov)"
Thank you for the clarification.
We're all mad at each other.
Wrong people to be mad at. I know though. I see it on here everyday.
Who said we aren't mad?
I think everyone's news feeds are full of everything Trump's administration is doing. I personally have not seen a single mention of anything being done against that, though to be fair I am not American. If there are indeed protests of any kind maybe it would be worth mentioning them, it'd certainly help me and I assume others feel a bit more optimistic.
The reason you see little official pushback from within the US is because things are far more dire here than you might imagine, as an outsider. The US Republican Party (aka GOP - Trump's party) is currently in control of all three branches of the US federal government. Ever since Trump took office, it's been one step toward constitutional crisis after another, and apparently the Republicans don't give a shit about rule of law when it comes to policing their own. The Democrats (our nominal "opposition" party) can't really do shit right now except at the local level. We have an unelected CEO compromising every branch of our nation's government with all the Republicans looking the other way. To be honest, I'm past the point of expecting a fair election in four years. As an American who grew up learning to value the ideals of personal freedom and liberty, to see what is happening to my country leaves me OUTRAGED.
There was a protest in every single state capitol on February 3rd and many more cities like San Francisco as well. There will be another 50+ protests on Monday.
All major US news outlets are in the pockets of the oligarchs. The revolution will not be televised.
The majority aren’t at the point where they are willing to sacrifice everything yet. They have families, homes, food, friends. Currently the administration hasn’t taken away enough from enough people to get it really going. It will be coming though. People just haven’t felt the affects yet
As a young man (I’m under 30) with 2 kids I feel stuck like this. A lot of the protesting actions I would have taken are tapered by “I have to be around for my kids”, but at the same time this country is not how I want my kids to be raised in and I don’t know my own red line for this. Suffice to say if I’m thinking about this 3 weeks into Trump’s America, then I hope I will feel compelled to be more active. NYC might be coming to a heat with the Mayor Adam’s BS so I’m keeping my eye out for any manifestations in the city.
Why not?
Because people believe that they might be able keep what they have if they keep quiet and also believe they might loose their way or life or in general their life if they take up arms
Their way of life is disintegrating before their eyes. Even the people who have generational wealth will start to see their small hoard be taken. What they really want is to ride it out as long as possible and they think the status quo will save them. They think the status quo is invincible. I'm telling you the status quo just got purged from the government but keep on hoping.
Serious question: wouldn't the MAGA/Republicans just pick up arms in return?
It feels like the divide in the US is so massive right now that you can't agree on anything at all. No offence intended...
There are less maggats then you think. And many of them if seeing a revolution would switch sides quickl
everyone I know is mad. disgusted. ashamed of our country and it's election systems that allow this incompetent clown show to destroy our democracy.
meanwhile joe joe could have had the cia murder trump et al, and probably gotten away with it considering the supreme court's bullshit.
strange thing to wish had happened.
I'm pissed off. I don't know what I'm supposed to do about it. If there's a protest near me I'll join it. If I see somebody getting fucked with by a Nazi I'll step in but I have responsibilities and a job and can't really afford to travel. So until shit really kicks off I'm kind of stuck in this state where I can't do anything.
All this is happening thousands of miles away from me behind locked doors.
Most of us want someone else to do what needs to be done because we're too busy simply making ends meet. Sure, let me just call out of work to do some protesting, oh shit, now I can't afford rent, or food, or my meds, or paying off my last Dr visit, etc.
And I guess the world around you could be burning and that's like, not a big deal.
Would you like me to be homeless or in the hospital from not being able to afford my medications? You seem pretty willing to sacrifice people like me at the altar.
I've been homeless. I've been unable to have medical treatment. How many root canals have you had at the dental school?
Do I want to go back to that? No. I just don't see another way.
I'll wait around until it hits you but the longer we wait. Enjoy every minute from this day forward cause you're losing on the other end.
I suppose I didn't properly convey my situation. Being homeless, going without my medications, means I will die. Its not a "sacrifice current comfort for the future" thing for me. If things truly go as bad as you're so sure they will, then it means I die anyway, so I'm not gonna just make it happen right away to satisfy a stranger on the internet that has a lot of opinions, but as far as I care, is doing just as much as the rest of us.
Lets be clear here, it's the current administration that doesn't care if you die on the streets. Plenty of homeless are out there today with no one checking in on their medical conditions.
And? Whats your point? I should just accept it and go die right now?
My point? I'm not your enemy. I don't want you to be put out. I would support you as many others would. It's the only way. We are not your enemy. You can trust the people fighting for you and people like you.
What makes you think we are not mad?
You just don't seem mad. Maybe upset but like you'll get over it in like 4 years or what ever.
I’m optimistic that in four years we’ll have an opportunity to start rebuilding. I can only hope our friends abroad have patience while we go through our meltdown, that somehow there’s enough economic inertia to control acceleration of climate change, and that most of us can keep our heads above water.
Then again, I’m trying to figure out how to tell my son we can’t afford his first choice college because of financial aid changes made by republicans during trumps first term, taking effect now. Sacrificing the future is getting personal
I'm telling you now, four years will be to late. There is no world where you let authoritarians walk all over you for four years and they just go away.
Decades of very effective propaganda combined with intrinsic ideological biases.
I'm mad, but what? Once we pull out the guillotines there's no going back, so right now I'm hoping that checks and balances thing starts to kick in soon.
I agree. I fought very hard for harm reduction. I just think the time for that has came and went. Now we have to mobilize the population and that's like a 10 year ordeal, if it's possible at all. It's slow going but we gave the democrats 8 years to do something I think 10 years for the people to get their act together might be doable.
What do you mean?
30 years of watching progressive movements flounder and civil action lead to absolutely zero substantial changes has given me a defeatist attitude. What good is getting mad? It's not like it will change anything.
From the outside it seems that your progressive movements were a pretty good tool to spread thin the effort that could have gone someplace right, and also to weaken movements which were targeted at the real problems (for example, in the small world of FOSS it's how FSF and GNU were slowly marginalized into something perceived as unreasonable and Stallman specifically pressed out, and no, his logically correct defense of some kinds of pedophilia and him being generally cringe were not the reason).
Also let's please remember that everyone flocking to centralized platforms was welcomed by those progressive movements, their activists for whichever reason thought that the scale and the censorship will work in their favor and not those calling to fell the tall trees.
So - this is the logical outcome of what various movements have been doing. This part should make you optimist. And the feeling that you can't certainly show at something at say that it will succeed should be liberating, not depressing.
Why cling to the defeatist attitude? It defeats itself. Why have a defeatist attitude when defeat is inevitable?
Like it or not social media got us here. Just not your social media. I could argue with you all day but I won't. Your message is stupid and a self defeating prophecy. 350000000 people in the US and I don't need to turn you. I need to reach any other of the 3499999999 who won't waste my time.
Ever get tired of the hole you live in come join us on the surface. Our drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens.
Complacency
own the libs is more important than progress
Because a third of Americans are uninformed, another third is misinformed and thinks the current administration is in line with their goals, the other third is being gaslit by the other 2/3s that this is normal... And for those not buying the gaslighting, they are ignored and still too small of a group to do much.
Culture war.
We're all mad
I think internet in general specifically social media. It allows you to vent your frustrations without doing actual damage. It's also easy to disconnect compared to marching to the streets.
I think social media has done tons of damage. It think it brought together a group of people who would have never found each other, because they don't have any decernable skills, and let them spread and consume misinformation at alarming rates.
Who tf says we're not mad? We're fucking furious.
Maybe, act more like it?
There's more protests on Monday, and we're only getting more angry.
By doing? The government doesn't care about protest, and anything more extreme than protest is met with extreme violence.
What actions are you doing that validates your superior sense of self worth?
You don't scare me and you have failed in your attempt to discourage me. I'll trade one meat grinder for another and the government will have more ground meat then they know what to do with.
At what point did I try to scare you? I'm just trying to make you realize that people are upset, they just don't see a lot of options to do anything about it.
You complaining on the Internet is not doing anything more than any other american currently upset at the government. Trying to posture yourself as some warrior of justice from your computer chair doesn't validate belittling other people's feelings on the matter.
Once again I ask, what makes you think you are any more upset than anyone else? What actions have you committed that makes your anger more real than others?
Blah blah blah.
TLDR: "shut up and do nothing, surf."
Lol, and what are you doing besides belittling other progressive people on the Internet?
What would you suggest we all do that were not already doing? Or are you just going to continue to only respond via virtue signaling?
I AM mad. So are my close friends and family
Everyone is mad and everyone can't agree why were mad so now were more mad.
We are mad but we are also distracted and overwhelmed. You can't get mad at work because you might get fired. Then there goes your housing and food and healthcare. It's going to have to get a lot worse before things pop off.
I dunno, they seem to be mad. It's just most of them are wrong about who they should be mad at and why
I'm mad as fuck. Get me one (or more) of those traitorous bastards within arm's reach and they'll find out precisely how mad.
Ignorance and apathy.
I’m plenty mad but every solution short of REDACTED feels like a waste of time.
I'd do REDACTED if everyone else was down. I'm so bored of this mouse trap they built. I'd literally do anything else.
Even suggesting REDACTED repulses the people who it would serve the most. Completely uninformed and lack of critical thinking.
Gaslighting?
One day
Stupid snake, what would you do with a boot?
Everyone I talk to is mad, my family is a bunch of Tumpers and beloeve everything he says.
I think we're just on a down wave globally. In early 00s we got social media which helped to organize people and lead to real actionable ideas. The bad actors figured it out and took control of our tools and now people are waiting for a new opportunity.
I think Americans need a strong leader and something to break the camel's back. Everyone's who's angry now doesn't have a good "deal" for risking exposure and their complacency because the failures are just too recent.
"Wanting a strong leader" is what gave us trump. You be a leader or allow yourself to be led by people in your local community. There is no perfect leader that could ever check everyone's boxes. If there was one thing we could all agree on I'd like to know what it fucking is.
trump isn't a strong leader, he's a very accomplished con artist.
He allows people to project their vision of who he is on him.
You say I'm christian? Sure I'll pretend I am
You say I'm anti abortion? Sure I'll pretend that I am
You say I'm for the little guy? Sure, I'll pretend that I care about them
You say I'm anti-vax? Sure, I'll tell you that I am
You say I'm the second coming of Christ? Okay, I'm good with you thinking that about me
You say I'm a strong patriot? Sure, I'll hug the flag and say the words you need me to say
He is everything to everyone of his supporters because he never tells them that they are wrong about who he is.
A strong leader is someone that has strong convictions and articulates them in a way that resonates with the population. They are not people that waffle in their ideals, you either like their stance or you don't. Smart ones will adjust their ideas over time but they do this from a strong ideological foundation. Some are genuinely good people like MLK, jr. others are more despotic. What America needs is one or two genuinely good strong leaders.
I don't think so. America will never settle on one or two people to be their leader. They need you to be a leader or they need you to give your support to someone else who is decent enough leader to represent you. What you want is a magic bullet. Some one else to solve all your problems all at once. It doesn't exist. Americans are notorious in their purity tests and infighting. When what all the American people need to do is compromise then there is no leader that can convince them to compromise for himself.
I think we are talking about leadership at different points of time.
The leader that America needs right now is someone to articulate and draw people together behind the idea of "Throwing the bums out" and in that context there is a large coalition of people that agree with that sentiment.
What happens after the bums are gone is where the in-fighting and purity tests start to take hold. But having the opportunity to argue about whether Leader A's policy of taxing the billionaires at 90% vs. Leader B's policy of 70% tax rate on them would be a welcomed change.
The combination of hopelessness and misinformation is very powerful
Probably true
I've gone through all the stages of grief and I don't live there. I honestly don't know why it does or even should bother me. I guess there is some part of me that hates injustice and has some nostalgia for an America, real or always imagined, that was trying to do its best for the free world (even though that was, in many cases, found to be objectively not true later).
If anything, it seems like they may finally get rid of some of the stuff that makes it difficult to impossible for US people living overseas to use certain retirement vehicles without committing tax fraud (PFICs; PFICs everywhere and I can't put income into my US tax-advantaged vehicles due to rules on that side), but potentially doing one thing that helps me does not do anything to assuage my revulsion and rage at the current situation.
There’s plenty that are mad.
Just that the minority that are happy about it and the billionaires that own all forms of media keep sweeping that fact under the rug. Or they put a question mark at the end of it. Are Americans all that upset about trump? How much damage is trump really doing? And then they softball the response to questions like that with “who really knows what the damage will be? when it’s objective what the results are and the future holds.
Police Procedural shows.
Law and Order, Criminal Minds, NCIS, CSI, Lie to Me, Dexter...
Basically, anything that makes people think that police are more effective at solving crime than they actually are.
The fact that it's exactly what they want.
Trump won with the popular vote: thhose want to be fascists. And those who don't vote, well they just confirm a fascist in power.
Why do they argue so much about not being fascist then?
Their entire life they've been told fascism is bad, it is, they don't want to accept that what they want makes them the bad guys, so those of us who want what's happening are still going to deny it's fascism.
They're idiots then. It's not the word 'fascist' that is bad. It's the things that word means.
Agreed, but I'd say that wanting those things kinda throws them into the idiot category automatically.
Everyone's angry, nobody can agree on what the problem is or what to do about it.
Those of us who are extremely upset about the state of our country are constantly wondering WTF is wrong with the other ones. I think a large part of it is a slow, progressive dumbing down by our growing addiction to entertainment and convenience. We've become a nation of 13-year-olds who think mom is a bitch for making us go to the dentist.
I bet soon you'll see massive consequential protests.
There is a lot of protests, the media isn't really reporting them.
The delusion that their party will someday fix it
The majority of people votes for this that is why. The no voters just wanted a clean conscious but they still voted for this.
Around 1/3 of the country voted for him.
We are mad and we’re getting madder. We just haven’t hit the fever pitch yet. There hasn’t been a catalyst.
But eventually there will be one and we’ll be able to coalesce around it. Seems like Moscow Musk is starting to be the foil, but so could a number of other things: egg prices, bid flu, new Hoovervilles. Something will make it happen.
Now is the time to plan and prepare.
Bread and circuses.
Though that's a little antiquated, so now it's "high fructose corn syrup and superbowl".
Apathy
I honestly have no clue
Yeah, it's pretty complex .
They are so mad that democrats weren't a sufficiently exciting alternative to an outright fascist entente. Livid, they are.
Why are we still talking about this? I'm over it. I'm over the democrats too. I'd sit with the Palestinians at lunch time rather than the DNC any day, anyway.
I rest my case, I suppose.
I'm definitely over being emotionally invested in the consequences of their entitlement within the US. I, unfortunately, like the rest of the world, don't get to be over the consequences elsewhere.
I also wonder this but then the people that voted for trump are very happy.
Nahh. I know those people. They've never felt a bit of happiness in their life. They might feel satisfaction when others are pained but these are truly miserable people.
Meh, I think disagreeing with them doesn’t make them miserable. A lot of family voted for them and they aren’t “trumpers” or miserable. Probably happier than me. That’s kind of wishful thinking on your part.
Edit:noticing your relevant username gave me a chuckle ;D
The feeling that nobody else really gives a shit is what does it for me.
I care too, what can I do to prove that I care to you?
I believe you, but this is also a very left-leaning site that pretty much filters out all of the conservative idiocy from it. The general public doesn't seem to give a shit and when I go out and about in the world it's like nothing has even changed. I suspect it will be this way for a while even if eventually there is full-blown fascism with a world war and death camps. I remember reading remarks by people who were around during the formation of the Third Reich in Germany and I remember them writing something like all the shops and everything were open and people were going to work like normal for a large portion of it. There was even a person that didn't realize how crazy the country had gotten until he saw his small child imitating Hitler and saying antisemitic shit about Jews.
perhaps fear
Maybe they should start assessing what they should really be afraid of. Take a deep dive into what Russia is really like because that's what the GOP sold us out for.
I hope the people who are fighting back understand the importance of making it known people are fighting back. Hope is really important.
The chance at taking freedom and everything from others first.
Edit: that quote and story have disappeared except for some Nigerian news site still on MSN.
You'd think with that username...
bread and circuses, mostly
Ah. Well it was worth it then.
Random question but are any Americans being more careless with loans? It kind of seems like the US is on a crash course with an iceberg and I admit I'd feel a bit more at ease with debt in that situation than normally
Try all your typical college grads.
I’m infuriated! It’s like the US has lost their collective minds. But what’s the point in doing anything? This is what the voting populace of the US wants.
I don't think that is true. It wasn't a majority. (Although that's a nitpick, it was close enough to say that about half of all voters voted for Trump.)
A more important consideration is that the majority of people who did vote for him are incredibly naive when it comes to politics. They think that the president sets gas prices, or that Trump and Musk are geniuses because they say they are. Most of them feel disenfranchised by both political parties, and this is a brick through the window of the established order. I don't think most of the electorate thought this through much beyond that.
I honestly don't know what difference it will make in the long run, but I don't think it is true to say that this is what most people wanted.
The voting populace can go fuck them selves. They are shit eating, brain worm addled, fucks.
Americans are pissed as all hell. Michael Moore said in 2016 "the American people will throw Donald Trump into Washington like a Molotov Cocktail."
We do not agree who is at fault. 40% the voters think it's brown people and queer people and about 30% of them think it's the wealthy.
Just so you know that molotov cocktail didn't land in washington. It will land on every Americans doorstep.
They don't realize that..... Yet.
They voted for it, so why would they be mad?
Why would they be mad? Why would they be mad about DEI when they are still the most catered too and entrenched class with access to generational wealth. I will go on if you press me further.
My cat purred at me and it was heartwarming until I paid attention and then it was fucking infuriating
fat basically
Is this like some sort of soy bullshit?
Nothing? We're furious. We just can't do much to stop it.
They're rasict and it's exactly what they want.
If you're keeping your self from being angry because the rascist want you to be angry you're still basing your behavior based on what racists want.
Not sure I understand your comment. Maybe mine wasn't clear either. The question was: What keeps Americans from being mad about the state of their country? My clarified response is: Because most Americans are racist and voted for a racist and they're not mad because the current state of their country is exact what they want.
Maybe not a nuianced or particularly fair response but, regardless, I'm not sure what that has to do with my behavior or feelings.
I thought you were saying they were racists and the want you to be angry. You know, "own the libs."
I don't know man, I'm so disheartened right now. Trump just declared he was the only person who could interpret law and the courts have dismissed all the cases against doge.
All I see is memes and and memes and memes when my country just changed its status to oligarchy. I'm tired. I'll be better in the morning. Sorry I didn't catch your meaning. You're good.
No honestly most are mad in some sorta of way but we have a militia of trigger happy enforces and the biggest military in the world. Not much we can do without outside support. If we peacefully protest. They arrest you, shoot and kill you. Call you a terrorist, possibly even ban you from getting jobs.
You aren't going to get shot. Dont give up just yet.
Yeah no worries for me. While it may sometimes feel hopeless but I have to try. Only issue is I’ve applied at over 7k jobs and barely heard back from 40-50.
Yet…
A sense of entitlement and superiority I would imagine.
I don't know. Talking to everyone in this thread no one has told me they feel superior or beyond reproach. Mostly they just say their drawn too thin.
It is an ingrained attitude seen through statements like "leaders of the freeworld", "the great american experiment", "the most powerful person in the world (potus)", etc.
Americans have too much pride in a shithole country. There just isnt much justifiable pride to be found in modern america yet the leading party over every part of government maintains this greatest countrt ever bs.
I don't know, there are lots of really good things about America. I am happy to be here rather then a laundry list of other counties.
Great, a lot of times this attitude comes from having not been elsewhere but maybe not with you. I cant personally see any great benefit.other than weather and landmarks but that is just down to size and ability to travel negates it.
Lets not forget that America’s founding was a rich man’s revolution. It was the wealthy here who banded together to expunge their parent corporation and go independent. There is no tradition of popular revolt in this country, unless you want to count the civil war, wherein the wealthy (again) weaponized the racism of the lower class to protect their business interests. That part sound familiar?
Americans ARE mad, but the moderates and liberals have been on a decades-long crusade against gun ownership and now they dont know what to do because they aren't armed, and when you tell them to arm up and march they start whining sone bullshit about MLK and Ghandi even though one was shot and the other never did anything of use.
9/11 happened because they'd been told all their life to stay in their seats and let authorities handle hijackings. Despite all the chest-pounding and fist-pumping, Americans are weak, lily-livered pussy-assed losers and will absolutely be destroyed by inaction exactly like Biden's legacy will be.
Now watch as some snide little pencilneck will respond with some "you first, chief!" shitbaggerie. It has happened every other time I said this...
And, if you think we could fight and win against the US govt and all of its current supporters, you are grossly mistaken.
Explain exactly how you think that works?..because they literally LOST to rice farmers and goatherds.
Because I'm not mad about it. In fact, a LOT of the country isn't mad about it. That's how and why Trump won the election.
Lemmy needs to come to terms with the fact that Lemmy's opinions are not the majority right now.
Not yet 🙂
You're in trouble like the rest of us. You just don't know it yet.
I'm not in trouble at all. I'm financially independent, in a rural town, with my own place and land, and I don't work for anyone.
And I also know that you the world isn't going to end just because Trump is president. You all just doomscroll all day. Go outside. No one takes this as seriously as Lemmy does. lol
You think you're in the clear and you're cool with Trump and all. But there's one thing I know: the minute he wrongs you - be it your tax return check not being mailed because the IRS is in shambles, or the water at your tap tasting like shit because the EPA is in shambles and someone started fracking in your area, or ICE invading your property because someone told them you're harboring illegal migrants... you'll become the most ardent Trump hater.
It's always the same with evangelists: all it takes is one little thing and they flip so hard they become rabid haters of what they used to believe in.
It's the typical conservative mindset, "It doesn't affect me so I don't care."
None of that is gonna happen. I'm not worried. You have a chance to vote for some democrat next election. Do do that. I like Trump.
Good luck
I'm having a great time so far.
What do you like most? The rampant corruption, the oligarchs siphoning money directly out of your taxes, the farmers being hurt and some who are yet to know it, or just the growth of racism and sexism brought on by this?
Number of working class people hurt: millions Number of billionaires helped, hundreds Number of idiots who think the trickle down effect works: To many illiterate people. Helping China and Russia daily.
Mothers of our kids and those kids, hurt daily. Enjoy yourself. But everything I said is true and some day maybe you'll see it. Until then, your ignorance is bliss
All that happened before Trump took office. You think this just started in the last month or so?! lmao
Were you this angry when Biden was in office and did nothing to help you?
Hahahahaha
Both sides nonsense with no evidence always helps nothing. Please show me what you are referring too