Donald Trump announces plan to send 30,000 migrants to Guantanamo Bay
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It's sorta like a camp, but concentrated on one type of person....
There should be a name for such a thing
Maybe a motto.
Maybe something like "Work will set you free."
Or "To each their own".
What does this reference?
That was written on the gate at the Buchenwald concentration camp ("Jedem das Seine")
Ah, I didn’t know this one. I only knew work will set you free. Thank you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald_concentration_camp#%3A%7E%3Atext=On+the+camp%27s+main%2Cwas+inscribed.
Welcome to Camp Green Lake!
I knew the concentration camps were coming, but just after ten days? Holy shit
The faster they move the more they can get done before their opponents can mobilise resistance.
I would say that so far, there appears to be much less public resistance to Republican policies than in previous years. The Democrats appear to be at sea. The left's working class base is split. Public institutions are too busy protecting their turf, making gestures at cooperating with the new world order rather than trying to resist.
It feels like last time there was an assumption that
Trump and MAGA politicsa criminal dictator and fascist politics were a blip or aberration from the norm, now there's an acceptance that they're institutionalised.Maybe the language we use to describe them is itself normalising and pacifying. Like calling a Nazi salute a "hand gesture."
I would suggest "a criminal dictator and fascist politics" as a substitute in your sentence to provoke an acceptable, proportionate reaction.
He is not quite a dictator yet. Let's call him an aspiring dictator, to make it clear that action can still prevent it from getting that bad.
I like it.
Rather unfortunately, the mass deportations was one of the most popular parts of Trump’s platform. Everybody knows mass deportation comes with concentration camps. It’s not that his voters are unaware of it, they actively love it!
Honestly, I was expecting them in less time. Like 2-3 days in.
As an added note, they deported multiple children to Colombia the other day. Half the people they've arrested in specific areas have zero criminal records. Some are even US citizens. This is not for immigrants, this a Latino concentration camp.
I know two people first hand who have been here for over 30 years with no criminal records who are being detained. These are the people being sent to Guantanamo.
Some are indigenous.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/27/us/navajo-detained-ice-indigenous-immigration-trump/index.html
Source on citizens being rounded up?
I don't know anything but isn't Guantanamo Bay, like, kinda small?
That’s only an issue if you assume they’ll be treated with any humanity
Don't worry, they'll find a way to pack people in. Maybe some kind of high energy weight loss system like their role models used in the 1940s?
This is bad juju. The detention camps from the first cycle with this fascists was nothing on what we're seeing ramping up here.
I'm sure they are already working on the final solution.
Now I want someone to ask trump "what's your final solution for these people?"
At it's peak it held about 800 prisoners, kinda impossibly small for the numbers discussed here.
Edit-- Well, trump did say "Most people don’t even know that we have 30,000 beds in Guantanamo", I guess file me with most people. Must be incredible how they scaled up while simultaneously closing camps and losing facilities to disrepair, apparently.
This feels like "how many dead babies can you fit in a trash can?"
Depends on how good your blender is.
I must've missed that episode of "Will it Blend".
Doesn't matter how many beds they have, Trump doesn't want them making it past the showers.
But I'm sure there will be all sorts of bipartisan and humanitarian oversight. Right?
Right?
It's not like you can just make a single "undocumented" person disappear. Let alone their whole nuclear family. What would the rest of their family say?
Probably "can I crash in your attic".
Yes, it's a camp where he plans to concentrate people.
I think that's a bonus for Trump. Also, Cuba should reject our lease on the land.
To the best of my knowledge, although the U.S. makes “lease payments” on the land the prison sits on, they do not have the authorization of the Cuban government, which in turn has not cashed those checks.
Oh my God, what if they cashed them all at once and emptied out America's checking account.
All the better for them to die faster of unliveable conditions, it seems
Call your senators
https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1
Call your representative in the house
https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
It's "illegal" migrants now. But it will be us eventually! Do not let it get to that point. They did not win this election by a landslide, and they can only do as much damage as we let them!
This is a concentration camp, we're past the point of calling.
So what are you going to do about it? Just sit there and let it happen?
It's cute that you think senators have any power anymore. I'm guessing you think the next election won't be Russia-style too.
I don't know why you're being downvoted, when will Americans understand this? Their political system is done, there's no turning back at this point, it's gone beyond the event horizon. The only question is how long will Americans continue to bicker and bitch while they see how much worse things get. You have concentration camps now, 10 days in, what will it take? Where is the line that they cross when you know they're a threat to your life? When the soldiers are already banging your door?
This is exactly how it happened.
Explain to me how sending people to Guantanamo Bay, already infamous for torturing inmates, is somehow not exactly this?
I cannot BELIEVE people will hand wave stuff like this or Elon's Nazi salute so we have to wait until they've killed a million people before we're ALLOWED to say what we KNOW is happening.
Thank you for proving my point, bicker and bitch while you see how much worse things get it is then. Americans like you truly deserve what's coming, because the rest of the world is trying to scream at you but "it's not bad enough yet." I'll ask again, what will it take? Where is the line that they cross when you KNOW they're a threat to your life?
So people should only start any action after the damage is done? After the torture and death of millions? Because only then it is undeniably similar to WW2 concentration camps. I would propose not to wait for that.
You have this beautiful, nearly unique concept called the second amendment.
It's not eventually. The 'problem' with being overly aggressive on migration is how easy it is to ignore someone's "documentation". And then it is a quick move to a camp where they've determined that, for efficiency, you don't have any right to representation. License? Fake. Passport? Fake.
Man, the place is gonna so quiet without all the US citizens, we'll finally be able to talk about stuff that isn't related to the US!
Like how your country is going in the same direction they did!
Mark my words- queer people will be next.
Trans women specifically, the others are safe for a few more years then it will be their turn.
😢 I'd guess trans women and all unhoused people could be the first casualties, potentially involving cheap prison labour within the US to replace externally detained migrants. Why is it so easy to think of worst case scenarios but so hard to think of ways to stop this?
Democrats could actually campaign on healthcare for all, living wages and stop trying to restrict gun ownership for the working class. But here we are. But then they'd have to actually help poor people instead of trapping them in cycles of dependency, and tax the rich. There's a reason they shut Bernie down. Their owners don't like those things.
I meant before elections come (and that's assuming they don't find a way to undermine those as well). All I can think of is how Michelle Obama quoted MLK Jr. and said to honour his legacy by getting involved in local community, honouring the other important day of the year that it was, rather than commenting on the inauguration directly.
HomosexualityQueerdom is aJewishimmigrant plot againstGermanythe US.It's practically fascist mad libs.
The path to that easier than you might think. Just get the propaganda mill talking about Thai ladyboys and black-market hormones a bit. They love little talking points that are are rooted in preconceptions and tiny slivers of half-truths that they can contort to fit their agenda...to expand on and then justify their actions.
They are fun to pick out. The other day Trump claimed that the ominous "they" were sending water directly to the ocean to save an endangered fish instead of to LA to fight fires.
That endangered fish is called a Delta Smelt. "Delta", as in a river delta, as found at the end of a river....you know, that thing that carries said water to the ocean.
100%. If you look at the language they're using to describe trans people in their EOs it's clear as day where they're heading and considering they've begun holding trans people's passports indefinitely- they don't want us escaping.
Someone in another thread is literally telling me queer people have nothing to fear because, according to them, nothing serious has happened yet.
And they and others give me shit for getting my gay daughter out of the country because I'm supposed to put Palestinians (who I work my ass off to help) ahead of my own child. Which, and I'm not sure they understand this, is neglect and generally frowned upon by child protective services.
I don't get it, what does you moving to the UK have to do with helping Palestinians?
Apparently you should care more about Palestinians than your own queer child because there is no genocide of queer people in America even though it's literally already started... but it's not like those people actually give a shit about Palestinians. They're just a pawn in their need to berate strangers on the internet.
I pointedly ask them what they are doing about the genocide since I work my ass off contacting politicians. It's very clear that not only have most of them not done shit, most of them have never even talked to a Palestinian.
They also don't seem to realize (or maybe care) that there are queer Palestinians. In America. At risk right now. Also in Palestine. But I guess they'll be just fine.
Ah, the usual bad faith crap where some people decide that one particular tragedy out of the thousands happening all over the world right now is all you should care about. They're just like the single-issue voters that helped Trump get elected.
Very much that, yes.
There are definitely others that seem to participate in these discussions with the sole goal of upsetting people wearing a veneer of of leftist politics while lacking any seeming empathy. I tend to doubt their motives when they seem to only have compassion for some and not all
How did you get out of the country if you don't mind me asking? I have no idea where I would start if I needed to leave. I'd prefer to go to a blue state if I could but of course that might not be an option. Also do you miss living in the US?
I am lucky because of this: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-british-parent/born-before-1983
However, we are living on my savings until I get a job and my wife had to stay behind for now. My daughter can be here on a travel visa for six months and we will be out of money in three. I need a job that makes at least £29,000 a year to get a family visa for the two of them.
We've also only been here since the inauguration, so I am not all that homesick so far (I miss my wife and our dogs). Also I am just in awe of how nice and helpful people are here. I really didn't realize the exact extent of American self-entitlement asshole culture until we got here and everyone has been friendly and helpful. Even the drunks.
That does sound nice. Hopefully you're able to find some work and you're able to get the rest of your family soon!!
I hope so, thanks!
Some of us are able to keep more than one concern in our heads at a time.
So no, I'm not going to ignore the oppression of queer people just because you don't want their existence brought up.
Also, you do know that some of those immigrants are queer, right? Did you assume they were all cishet?
My grandmother fought in the Dutch resistance, helped people who were Jewish escape, and was put in a camp. She died a few years ago. This is how that happened, too. And we're all watching. Even with americas vaunted 2nd amendment, Russian-backed fascists just walked in and took over, and everyone is just watching them. No riots, no fighting back, just passive resistance.
I wish all of you the best of luck. I'm going to go hug my kids.
It's coming and Americans are refusing to see the oncoming headlights.
Your grandmother sounds like a fucking hero
She really was. The war changed her forever, though. On her death bed she disavowed her lifelong Roman Catholicism, saying "No God would allow what I have seen and lived."
Before that she was an absolute badass and had many dalliances with a man of the clergy, causing his expulsion from the order.
Don't blame the Russian for what the US is doing. A country that spent years of committing war crimes and establishing laws that invade privacy, haunting down journalist and humanitarian, is destined to use that power to abuse their own people sooner or later regardless of foreign intervention.
Я сделаю все, что захочу, товарищ.
USians try not to blame other countries for their own fascism challenge: impossible version
Fièrement pas tabarnak Américain, bien versé dans psyops Russes. Erreur facile à faire, vatnik.
Je ne sais pas pourquoi tu me parles en français. Me podrías hablar en español, oder auf Deutsch auch. I'm not a vatnik, fuck the capitalist modern Russian government, it's actively oppressing people I hold very dear for being women or LGTBQ. I'm just fucking exhausted of Americans having to explain away fascism in their country in racist terms like "White Taliban" or "y'allqaida".
Then why the fuck are you arguing against the reality that Trump is a manchurian candidate for Russia?! That Russia is spreading psyops online to agitate people in Canada, the US, Europe, etc, to vote Conservative? I'm not 'blaming' Russia, it's a fact that Russia is causing a lot of this to happen. No-where did I assuage the US of any guilt, I just pointed out that Russian-backed fascists: Trump, Elon, the entire Republican party, just took over. They are literally backed by Russia, this is not some conspiracy or hand-waving, it's reality. I didn't use any racists terms, I didn't shift focus to the middle east, I merely said, how fascism is happening in the US and blaming them for watching it happen. You're strawman-ing with the 'white taliban'/etc comments, you know damn well I didn't say that.
Stop fucking helping them by parroting them. I know there's an exhaustion in you, I have it too, but this isn't how we do what you want.
Concentration camp/torture camp.
Lots of people fantasize about what they might do if they had the opportunity to act to stop what was happening in WWII Germany but here we are.
All the big, strong, don't-tread-on-me styled people just rolling on their backs and showing their bellies to fascism. What a time to be alive, at least Germans of the 1920s-30s didn't have a direct case study to refer to.
It's always been "don't tread on me"
Its worse in some ways, the US is a far bigger country. While the 3rd reich destroyed their economy under the repayment plans of WW1 The US seems to be committing a similar kind of economic suicide with absolutely zero pressure to do so.
Wasn't trump one of the Obama critics demanding him to close it?
But it’s OK because it’s Trump doing it not Biden.
Yes, but that's because he apparently wanted it cleared out so that American citizens could be "accidentally" put there instead.
Bloody sickening.
MAGA has a hardon for cruelty. It's about hurting people. They love the idea a rounding up non-white people, loading them into boxcars, and shipping them off to concentration camps. Everything that Trump has done so far is going make billionaires richer and regular Americans much poorer but as long as he's hurting non-whites they will sit around giving each other rage handies and praising him.
Right wing politics in a nutshell
Exclusion & Sadism
Can I just make the point here that Not All Sadists
Well yeah, There are Leftist sadist too
What I find fascinating is the right-wing illegal immigration latinos who support Trump. Up until now they've been saying "He's not going to deport us, he's deporting the criminals". I just read a news article about half of the people they've arrested so far did not have any criminal records.
White House press secretary goes live the other day and says "We're going to deport all of them. They're all criminals as far as I'm concerned"
I think people have this instinctual burning desire to feel part of an "in-group" and to hate against an "out-group". It's such a strong burning desire that people will jump through so many mental hoops even when they are in the "out-group".
Note that being illegal is not a crime. It's like when you get a parking ticket. It's against the law but it isn't a criminal violation. But of course the administration doesn't care and neither does the army of rabid Americans cheering on the destruction of the country.
Doesn't seem like misreporting. I found other sources reporting it too.
I sent a text to those I love in any capacity, even former coworkers who've probably deleted my number. Not a group text - one by one. I think it'd be prudent for all US readers to consider doing the same.
Knowing some of you are like me, in that you might not know how to word such a text to someone not expecting it from you, I offer you my copy/pasted text:
America has a concentration camp now. I won't send you anything more...it's kind of rude that I'm sending this one. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/donald-trump-announces-plan-to-send-migrants-guantanamo-bay/
What will it take, Americans? What will it take? What will it take.
To this day we still question how could the Germans watch Hitler and the Nazis come to power. Well we're learning how, in real time.
"I'm still too comfortable, I need to pay my bills" should be the summoning chant for fascism.
I would add something like, "But this is important and the people need to know about it." at the end. It highlights the gravity of the situation and subtly encourages recipients to do the same.
Speed running the third Reich over here. Has the doctor given him bad news?
Any% nazi run WR incoming
If Trump dies, you'll have Vance , who is arguably worse, because his brain isn't riddled with cheeseburgers and adderall, but regardless of who is wearing the crown, it's people like Stephen Hitler Miller who is running project 2025 and putting the ideas in Donnie's head.
I'm sure imprisoning 30000 innocent people next to highly trained terrorists won't come back to haunt the US.
Newsflash about the current inmates of Guantanamo
Radicalizing 30k people
And then the US said to Germany, "We too, can do Auschwitz."
They think the problem with Auschwitz is that people could see it.
Fucking hell. We were sooooooo close to finally releasing the poor souls caught up from 9/11 shit stuck here. I'm so fucking disgusted by the ruling class in this country.
Not disgusted enough to mobilize against them though.
That doesn't appear to be the case
https://www.404media.co/declassified-cia-guide-to-sabotaging-fascism-is-suddenly-viral/
Did you read the book? Lots of that is actively being done. Are you struggling to find reports of it? I can recommend some further resources if you need
Both the most US thing you could possibly do AND a gross violation of what the US aspires to be.
*aspired
I'm still not clear what the first "A" in maga is supposed to reference, seeing what's happening these days. All I know is that it's clearly not "America" or a reference to the US.
Aryans
as in Make Aryans Great Again which I get as a valid concern for them because of how pathetic and hateful right-wing white nationalist jerks are. I mean have you ever actually spent 5 minutes listening to JD Vance? I can feel my masculinity deflating in real-time into a weird smelly ingrown hatred of women and I have to shut if off before my skin begins to crawl....
spits on ground
Oops look at me I meant to spit on A'murica but I must have missed because I hit stolen indigenous land that was brutally and horrifically stolen from the hands of normal, good people who looked a bit different and lived (and yet live) in funny houses.
...and then twice stolen from immigrants who came here and were desperate (and at times foolish) enough to believe they would be included in the prosperity they spent extraordinary amounts of effort building....
... (or they were just kept in chattel slavery/a series of disgusting echoes of it)
Third time is the charm?
It's the "G" that's confusing you. "Great" in this context means "Christian White Nationalist."
"Again"
If these people are "the worst of the worst" then we already have infrastructure to deal with that. Gitmo is for extrajudicial punishment that should have been outlawed decades ago. "Thanks Obama"
Obama did not put anyone in gitmo
Obama had a campaign promise to close Gitmo and then didn't. It was made difficult by Republicans, but it was still just sort of abandoned because it would have cost political capital and they didn't want to have that fight.
He actually tried though. Don't come for me on the details, I don't remember
Congress.
But he did take it from a couple hundred prisoners down to about 50. Of those 50, something like 20 were cleared for release, and the remaining 30 were going to trial for various terrorism charges (helping plan 9/11, for example).
Thats about the end of what I remember though.
Yeah, but that's not perfect, so its unacceptable and you're liberal scum if you think otherwise.
America's first camp.....in 83 years.
Thanks conservatives.
It won't be the last
Why do they continue to repeat this narrative? Colombia wanted the migrants to be deported under humanly conditions. The US did that, now Colombia will take them. The threats of sanctions has nothing to do with it but it makes Trump look strong.
Because weak people need to tell everyone how strong they are
The way I understand it we have these places in the US call prisons and they are used to house criminals. I guess the only problem with that is in order to put people in them they have to be guilty of a crime.
Well, they also dont allow torture and murder.
Edit: Wait, yeah they do. Rape too.
Guantanamo Bay... the blacksite for literal terrorists that is considered highly controversial for literal terrorists? What the actual fuck.
The blacksite for innocent people kidnapped and tortured for 20+ years by the US without allegations and then released*
Indeed, not that it wasn't actually filled with victims, more that people who think it specifically houses terrorists think it is unfit/illegal for that purpose.
Internment Camps already?
Immigration detention centers have been around for a while now. Virtually all of them ran by private corporations. People rail against private prisons but they make up a tiny tiny minority of prisoners. Over 90% of immigration detention centers are privately owned.
So we're going to throw millions of people into camps so that a few corporations can extract a ton of public taxpayer money. They're also gonna stay there for years because it's logistically impossible to move over 10 million people quickly.
I didn't think fascism would happen again my lifetime. But I guess here we are
Moving them is expensive, just letting them die in poor conditions or working them to death is far cheaper... Seeing how it happened yet?
exactly. it escalates over time as things become normalized.
if there are 10 stages we're like at stage 3
in 2016 we were at stage 1. back then, Trump wouldn't dare have said "immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country" - that wouldn't have had a good reception back then. too on the nose. but you start with more subtle things and slowly you shift the overton window of what is and isn't socially acceptable
it's a treadmill and we're jogging
Expanding a camp that's already been there for over 20 years, yes.
for those of you who live in the US: there must surely be Republican voters being appalled by this too, right?
Right?Yup.
Remove Donald Trump and Republicans from the equation and you still have a nation overflowing with unrealistically ignorant and hateful people.
That problem doesn't go away with whoever's in charge of our politics.
Our situation is 100% guaranteed to get much, much worse. And probably for the rest of our lives.
They'll claim they disagree with it and they don't like Trump (except for -insert all his policies-) and then vote for him for a third term when he makes that legal. They need to pretend not to salivate about oppressing brown people when they are in polite company but that's about it.
Some of the single-issue voters probably are, but not enough to actually vote against their single issue in the future.
Nah. If there's a percentage of conservatives who have come to realize the mistake they've made, it's vanishingly small.
We're talking about a group of people uniformly ignorant and hateful. You have to be to support the conservative ideology. Those are prerequisites.
62% of the country supports deporting all illegals. Something that would be unbelievable a decade or two ago is now true for most Americans.
A strong majority of the country supports putting millions of people in camps and keeping them there for years. Of course GOP is more fervently against it- the same GOP that idolizes Reagan who gave blanket citizenship to millions of illegals.
100% of that 62% have no idea at all what is going to happen to many services they depend on. Doesn’t matter if it’s the price of food on the table going up because the farm workers disappeared or the person disappearing who has the necessary but unglamorous job of cleaning bedpans at the nursing home, they’re all very important jobs that people will miss immediately, and they can often be done by migrants or illegal workers.
Yes, for most of my life I thought we would never get rid of the illegals for precisely this reason. They are so integrated into our economy that eliminating them would cause a huge fallout. Almost 15 million people here. And they're dramatically over-represented in specific industries.
So for example, you mentioned food. Agriculture, especially in the SW, runs on illegal labor. Construction all over the country runs on illegal labor. The people washing dishes at restaurants, the people cleaning up offices at night, the people working at landscaping companies, etc.
All of those industries are about to experience a severe supply shock of labor. This is going to mean increased prices for food, for landscaping, for construction, etc. Not only that, the services are going to be increasingly harder to staff. It's really hard to find an American willing to relocate to rural areas to dig holes. It's hard to find ones that are willing to pick fruit, etc.
Not to mention the effect that 15 million less consumers eating at local restaurants, buying products from Amazon, paying rent, will have.
And the worst part of it, the part that scares me, is that I'm certain Trump and his allies know this. They are entirely aware of the potential consequences of what they are doing. It does not take an economic savant to understand this and certainly Trump has some very smart advisors around him. So they are aware and they are doing it anyway.
What does that imply? That means they are willing to nuke our economy for this (throw in tariffs too while we're at it). And when I say nuke I mean nuke- there's no going back after this. We're causing permanent long-term structural damage. Why would he be willing to do this?
I fear because there's a lot worse on the horizon. Global war will overshadow the economic fallout from these decisions and will be pointed to as the cause of the near-future economic woes. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions here, but this is not a good omen. It's sort of like suicidal people giving away all their money before they off themselves. It's a red flag.
I think we're fucked with a capital F
Wouldn’t be surprised. Never waste a crisis. Nationalize things, martial law. Who knows what power grabs trump would make.
I 100% do not expect our government to be recognizable, or functional, by the end of this. However long it lasts.
The thing is, I'd almost be willing to go through a hard period if it served as a lesson to all the ignorant Americans out there that would last at least a generation.
But it won't.
They'll be manipulated into believing the other side, and immigrants, are the cause of their suffering, despite they themselves giving total power to Republicans.
The Germans didn't realize the error of their ways until the rest of the world killed the fuck out of them and invaded their country and their economy completely collapsed and their government was rebuilt with the guidance of their invaders. I'm assuming it'll take at least that much to convince ignorant conservatives why their ideology isn't compatible with the future.
The GOP's propaganda really did a number on easily manipulated Americans. Turns out, the internet was a really, really good tool to spread hatred.
They'll just refuse to acknowledge it
Yes.
Can't be seen trying to lower emmisions by having shorter flights to their concentration camps, that is teetering dangerously on the edge of woke... probably, it's hard to nail down where their version of woke is.
Yeah but at least last time, Germany got some rail improvements and highway funding out of the whole thing. Silver lining, I suppose.
We can't even get that if they are getting flown off to gitmo.
There are camps in Texas
On US soil people have the right to legally challenge their imprisonment.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/10/timeline-20-years-of-guantanamo-bay-prison
It was a national embarrassment when Bush opened the prison, it was a national embarrassment when successive presidents didn't close it, and it's a national travesty that Trump is going to use it to imprison 30,000 people that haven't even been suspected of committing a crime.
They might be able to escape in Texas. Trump's cronies know this.
So trump is going to build "housing" for 30.000 people, plus possibly hundreds of guards, who all need food, guards will need actual housing with maybefamilies who will need recreation too..
Just saying, this sounds like a VERY expensive distraction from the fact that they're working hard on robbing the US coffers blind...
Now make this for the 20 million or so, and you get to understand why the US will be bankrupt and over 4 years from now if this idiots continues this
Doesn't matter if the country goes broke. Something like 90% of immigration detention centers are privately owned. This whole thing is going to funnel hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars of taxpayer money right into the pockets of wealthy shareholders.
Are they just reviewing all the accusations they made about Democrats over the past few years and just using that as a template for what they want to do.
Yes.
Americans. You have a second amendment and a right to utilize that amendment against tyranny.
Exercise your right. In 4 years you won’t have a country that even remotely resembles what is supposed to be America and the land of the free.
Take down the nazis, destroy facism. Fight the power!
The 2nd amendment was intended to provide a way for citizens to defend themselves from the British, when the US had no standing army. To implement it in modern times when the police are militarised, and soldiers have drones...would be nothing less than suicidal.
I get what you’re saying, but 2 things.
Americans hold onto the 2nd ammendment like it’s still needed when clearly the British aren’t the issue.
More importantly ,by doing nothing, this is how facism explodes. Enjoy.
The shock and awe actions of his first week have worked and I'm left feeling that the fascists have won. They've already gained power and there's nothing left that can be done to stop them.
Can they even hold that many?
Theoretically? Well Manhattan has a population density of about 73,000 people per square mile so it's certainly possible to safely provide for 30,000 people in the space of Guantanamo Bay.
In practice? There's no way they'll be doing anything like that, and the cruelty is the point.
Oh taking a page from El salvador.
No, they can't. Guantanamo is a very harsh environment with very small capacity
Edit: well, I guess if the plan is to starve them and put them in unliveable conditions where disease is rampant and they begin to die in droves..yes it would make sense then.
They looked at Auschwitz, realized that zirkon B was too expensive, and decided that Malaria and Dysentery can do it for cheaper.
Literally 0 humanity. Did the nazis even pretend to care about christ?
Yes, religion is a powerful tool to justify all kind of inhumanities
About as much as Trump does
When that breaks out, he'll probably issue an executive order to make them drink bleach
Not in any safe manner. Safe for the assholes running the show that is.
I really hope This play out like a brother hood of nod campaign. Cause this is too familiar.
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And only $13 million per year in 2019, https://archive.ph/oOiK4 , per inmate that's $390,000,000,000 per year. Sounds like a great use of tax payer money.
Let's be realistic here...orange Don doesn't expect any of those people to still be alive after a year, what with all the accidents involving upper storey windows that could just happen at any time, or maybe someone could call for a code red.
Oh I see what he is doing here, screw over 30.000 people, then send them over to their biggest enemies to learn a how to take revenge. America collapse soeedrun
Does anyone know how big is Guantanamo? It takes a lot of space to imprison 30,000 “worst of the worst” children and other people, along with guards and supplies to keep all of them alive.
Aside from the other glaring problems with this idea, is this even physically plausible?
Edit: I came across an article stating:
Why are you assuming they need supplies to keep them alive? You're forgetting that cruelty is the point for project 2025
Just a random selection of 30,000 people or for an actual reason?
Well, it's somewhat color dependent.
Sooo..not orange, then?
This is the Bibby Stockholm all over again
Le perma stun keeps as expected
Oh yeah, that place Joe Biden ran on closing (archived) and then promptly forgot about, cool cool cool
Fuck both of those shitty plutocrat parties, all the time.
And by "forgot about," you mean negotiated the release of 65% of the prisoners? He was literally on pace to clear the place out in his second term. But you knew that, I'm sure.
I'm definitely not voting for him now.
Good because if you did it would mean that you LoVe GeNoCiDe
Now we get both foreign and domestic genocide! Best of both worlds.
I'm so glad I remained morally pure!!
That's what so many people tried to tell these dumbasses (that weren't just plants), but nooooo, they wanted to lecture everyone on how pure and holy they were by not voting for anyone, because "genocide".
Cool.
The place Obama said he would close and didn't? That place!