Trump administration will offer all 2 million federal workers a buyout to resign
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They are going to be stuck rehiring people that resign as consultants because they won't have the people to run the legally required programs in place.
It will end up costing more money for the government.
I have little hope that the people that actually vote will even remember how fucked all this is two years from now.
They’ll require that consultants are hired through a company owned by a Trump subsidiary and pocket a percentage of the pay.
this one gets it. This is exactly how Viktor Orban's system works.
They'll also ensure those who get hired, share the maga viewpoints.
or that they are too afraid to voice their anti maga viewpoints
I dunno, how does 8 months pay sound more appealing than a pension?
Most federal civilian employees are now on a 401(k) equivalent. Air Traffic likes to mention how they are one of the ones left with a pension, but clearly, nothing is guaranteed.
We get both. A 401k equivalent called TSP (Thrift Savings Plan) and FERS. People hired after a certain year ( i wanna say 2011 or 2013) pay substantially more into FERS than people hired before (less than 1% vs 4.3% of pay). I don't expect either to pay out in my lifetime tbh.
TSP is also unique in that you can take a loan from it directly, not using it as colateral. Any interest paid goes right back into your TSP.
This is also an option if jumping ship:
https://www.opm.gov/frequently-asked-questions/retire-faq/leaving-the-government/how-do-i-apply-to-have-my-retirement-contributions-refunded-to-me-in-a-one-time-payment/
Neither of those are unique from a majority of 401(k) plans in the U.S - taking out a loan against it included. You'll still take a sizeable tax hit on an early distribution from any retirement plan - TSP included. You should be able to do a direct rollover to any active 401(k), 403(b), or IRA penalty free. I worked in the government for 5 years, and a financial planning firm for just about 2.
I’m pretty sure the idea is to get rid of dissenters in an easy and legal way, while keeping those like-minded individuals who will toe the line.
I think the idea is to scare dissenters into quitting, because otherwise their position may get downsized otherwise and they lose out on any benefits and pension.
Just think of how you could retire if you put all of that into Trump and Malania coins. Heck, maybe even a Baron coin!
"legally required programs"? What law? Show me where that matters. Who will enforce such laws when all of the people running these programs are gone?
I know why Trump appeals to so many people. He's the politician/business who acknowledged that rules are made up by fallible humans and can be re-written. The problem is, when we have similar politicians on the left who try to break the system for the working class the liberals agree that it's terrible in the same way that they agree that trump is terrible, but the oligarchs don't see an avenue for profit and so they fight against them as well.
It's as simple as you need people to actually enforce laws and carry out programs laid out by Congress.
I don't think you understand how laws work. The laws I work to to support were promulgated in the 1970s after rivers were lighting on fire.
They are complicated to enforce because the companies that cause environmental harm can afford high powered attorneys and lobbyists to prevent them from being enforced.
There is no one working on behalf of the american people to try to meet the intent of many of these laws we rely on - such as those to keep our environment, air we breathe, water we drink, relatively safe. Other than those in the government that have the authority to do so.
I don't know how all of the other various agencies work specifically, but that's generally what people are doing in the government
You don't seem to understand this so you don't value it. I think once it gets more fucked up, you will. This isn't a liberal or conservative thing. The laws I work with were put on the books by Nixon. This is a rich stealing from you issue. Not left/right.
But maybe you are just troll, probably.
I don't think you know how laws work, and I think you missed my point. And you even re-stated it. The laws exist, they just dont get enforced for myriad reasons. High-priced lawyers, complicated enforcement, burden of proof etc.
And at the end of the day, all laws are made up. Often, as you mentioned, the laws are in place with an intent that doesn't get met. There isn't anything from stopping a president from just upending the law and it's up to the people in charge of upholding the laws the correct whatever shit gets thrown at the wall which we agree is often very laborious and often has bad actors working against it.
There's very little difference (in the way that the actions function in the real world) between a written law and declaring another set of rules through sheer willpower and bullying except that hopefully over a relatively long time the rules get corrected back to the written law.
Lol, "rehiring". What if I told you that he doesn't intend to replace them?
If they toss in health insurance for a they will get some people resigning. Those that were planning on retiring in less than 8 months.
Resign now and get 8 months of pay or retire in 4 months and get 4 months of pay.... Hmmmmm....
The official email reads more as you keep doing your job as you have been through the end of the fiscal year and you can resign. We won't fire you before that. If you don't voluntarily resign we might fire you before that. Isn't a guaranteed 8 months of work better than being fired in three months.
Putin's (very) useful idiot is now in the process of completing his work destroying the US federal government. Hope state governments can pick up the slack, because they'll have to.
EDIT: And, surprise! Red states are more dependent on federal funding than blue states are.
He wants to destroy the European Union, so it's not surprising he wants to destroy American Union as well.
I'm guessing most Federal workers aren't stupid enough to believe Trump would actually pay the buyout amount. Especially after Presidential "advisor" Elon failed to pay Twitter severance.
A Trump never pays his debts
Chaos is not a pit. Chaos is a ladder.
As a federal employee, you have a very optimistic view of most federal employees. Theres a sizeable number that will happily slob the knob if the orange one told them to.
It's a good thing this guy always pays his debts otherwise some might think this is a dirt trick.
he always sometimes pays when it's with someone else's money.
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Fuck up the system enough to make it fail.
Reinstall what you need with only Party loyalists.
Now you control the system.
Watch them word it poorly and accidentally release every active duty service member from their contracts.
Id probably go the px and get new tags made with the female (F) identifier since we've all be declared female.
Change the religion to "Ooga Booga"
That would be amazing to watch
This is going to save so much money guys. Nevermind that they'll likely end up rehiring most of these folks at higher rates when they realize they don't know the code for the fax machine.
Or when they have to fix the Fortran program that runs the whole Navy or something.
This doesn't seem in any way legal
Says who? Under the US legal system, anything is legal if the SCOTUS agrees with it. If Trump declared himself Führer tomorrow they'd validate that as constitutional. At this point suing the US government for its blatantly unconstitutional acts is merely a delaying tactic.
Americans must stop twiddling their thumbs while expecting Trump's DoJ/SCOTUS/congress to work for the American people and start resisting because the key institutions have already fallen to fascism.
I mean it's a somewhat rhetorical question. I think the extant legal doctrine the US exists under is effectively "whatever power decides" is legal.
Not true. When Biden decided to cancel student debt, the court system said "no". The SCOTUS isn't subservient to "power" in general, it's subservient to powerful fascists. Big difference. Trump has spent a decade following the Nazi playbook and acquiring complete personal control over all branches of government and people don't seem to have fully realized that yet. That's why things are way worse this time around. When he started his first term the SCOTUS was conservative and corrupt but not yet fascist. This time it's fully loyalist. In case you forgot, he also had already placed a bunch of loyalists in key judicial roles that Biden didn't fire.
He's made sure the law won't stop him, and now he's purging his enemies to make sure the institutions won't resist his unlawful orders. It's not a "both sides" issue, it's not even just a "the rich are winning" issue. They might get the green light to deport every union leader, but they'll be ruling over a kingdom of ashes and blood by the time this is over. Assuming the billionaires aren't caught up in the purge; plenty of that in autocratic regimes, oligarchs infighting is a great way to ensure loyalty because that makes them incapable of organizing to stage a coup.
It is if you sign
It's not actually a buyout. It's a promise to pay them exactly how much they would make to work for 6 more months and then quit. But they can't quit before then. Also they need to let them know by next week. Also also, there will be no additional severance pay.
Break it, then claim it's not working and only you can fix it, straight out of the fascist playbook
Just going to leave this here
https://archive.org/details/SimpleSabotageFieldManualStrategicServicesProvisional/page/n14/mode/1up
DO NOT COMPLY IN ADVANCE
And failing that I just dropped this totally by accident and am already walking away…
https://archive.org/details/tm-21-210-improvised-munitions-handbook-1969-department-of-the-army
Is this president wankpanzer firing people that he will regret to have fired and then rehire them again, again?!
So what happens when every employee in the IRS takes the offer, quits immediately and goes home?
They will not pay or it will be pennies on the dollar of their salary. This is some political theater
True, but my point was directed more towards "where will the Gub be getting its money from?"
Rich people like raiding government coffers because there's lots of free money there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9Nx3GtV5kc
All of them should take it.
And immediately be replaced by Nazis? I’m not sure that’s a good solution to any problem.
Anyone with a conscience is going to be purged anyway. Either that, or they'll be asked to do unforgiveable things. Better to just take the cash and leave with your soul intact.
It’s not going to be much cash. Certainly not enough to escape. And, souls don’t remain intact when you sell out to the devil.
Article says eight months' severance. That ain't bad.
For people who didn't have their time in, eight months' pay isn't worth giving up a government pension.
It will take them at least 6 to find a new job in this market. That is if they find one at all once that H-1B nonsense kicks in and everyone is replaced.
The news complains about a labor shortage, meanwhile employers lower wages as prices and rent skyrocket. The shortage is people taking jobs that make less than rent.
With no one fighting, it’s just going to happen
No, it says you'll keep getting paid for 8 months at your current rate. Not that you will get the money right now. You still have to work but hey we promise not to fire you for 8 months and let you still telework for those months. If you got the whole money up front they wouldn't have the clause about resigning with an earlier end date
That demands explanation.
"Internet commenter decides to pull an ad hominem because they dislike what you're saying but want to performatively demonstrate their lack of respect by talking past the content of what you are saying"
Sometimes when things are going to go bad no matter what happens, it's better to just speed it up rather than draw it out.
Accelerationism is a morally bankrupt philosophy.
Malicious compliance isn't.
It’s not malicious compliance when you’re helping the bad guys achieve their goal of destroying the federal government.
That’s being a willing accomplice.
Considering how many of the orders are being written by AI, there is probably a lot of maneuvering room to comply with the written letter while completely ignoring the spirit.
The definition of sex, for example. Every single passport reads "F" from now on. Very malicious. Very compliant. Very much ignoring the spirit.
There’s a ton of possibilities for malicious compliance so long as you still work for the federal government. But not if you quit!
Leaving en masse would destroy the federal government quickly. Staying and continuing to work for this administration will destroy the federal government
slowlyless quickly.It's just a matter of whether you want to be complicit in opposition to fascism or complicit in cooperation with fascism.
Leaving the system means no one is in the system to report on what is going on in the system. Accelerationism won’t end how those people think it will. It’s just 100 years of Nazis until the world collapses in on itself and humanity is endangered or extinct.
Im all for malicious compliance, when it makes sense.
Our company tried to cut our house keeping services, and told us we needed to empty trash cans ourself. You bet your sweet ass i made sure everyone charged their engineering charges to "house keeping" for those few minutes. We got house keeping back in about 2 months
Not entirely. If you drag it out, they get to have everything they want while crushing all people below them in a slow steamroller death. If you completely crash the system, everyone is on more or less equal footing for the first time in this country's history.
Sometimes accelerationism is the least bad option.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Yes.
And some people recognize that it's not a matter of if the world burns, but merely of when, and believe that sooner is less bad than later.
Stop eating lead paint.
Constructive contribution, isn't it?
It absolutely was, there's literally nothing else to say to a piece of shit suggesting they all do it.
If Trump makes you an offer, always refuse it.