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JD Vance finally admits what Trump’s big plan to lower food prices is | The plan is no plan.

Summary

Vice President JD Vance claimed that Donald Trump’s policies will lower grocery prices, but he failed to provide details.

Instead, Vance emphasized vague goals like increasing capital investment and job creation.

Meanwhile, Trump’s recent tariff threats, including a 25% increase on Colombian coffee imports, have driven coffee prices higher, exacerbating grocery costs.

Critics note Trump's shifting narrative, as he now admits it is "hard to bring things down once they’re up."

Supporters, however, downplayed price hikes, suggesting cheaper alternatives like instant coffee.

JD Vance finally admits what Trump’s big plan to lower food prices is | The plan is no plan.https://newrepublic.com/post/190716/jd-vance-donald-trump-plan-lower-food-pricesOpen linkView original on lemmy.world
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lemmy.ca

The plan is to let prices go up (predictably, given tariffs) while forever promising people that prices will come down soon. I'm sure it will happen right after the wealth Reagan promised finally trickles down.

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ddhreply
lemmy.sdf.org

Ah, like the beautiful Healthcare Plan

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Apparently the concept of his healthcare plan involves just... turning off Medicare, without warning.

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IninewCrowreply
lemmy.ca

The actual Trickle Down economy: Getting drenched in a golden shower while waiting for your millions

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Fun fact: "trickle down economics" is just rebranded horse and sparrow economics. The idea being that if you overfeed your horse, it won't digest it all and the sparrow will be able to sift through the horse shit to find bits of food to eat.

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Meanwhile they will keep finding and making enemies to blame the high prices on.

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fedia.io

The republican plan is to lie and get elected so they can rape the nation. They don't care about citizens. They are here to make money and take yours.

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dubvee.org

Supporters, however, downplayed price hikes, suggesting cheaper alternatives like instant coffee.

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lemmy.world

Supporters, however, downplayed price hikes, suggesting cheaper alternatives like instant coffee.

FFS. How many times were the Democrats and others declared "elitist" and "out of touch" when they pointed to ACTUAL indicators of a good economy under Biden?

Now, when prices jump, they are telling people to drink gawdawful shit like Taster's Choice? Gosh, that doesn't sound like mansplaining or paternalistic or elitist or all the other things I was told the Democrats supposedly were being....

I bet that fucker Kilmeade who I'm sure is being paid millions per year to be stupid on television is not going to be drinking shitty coffee himself. Everyone else can eat cake, though.

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GoodEye8reply
lemm.ee

What are the actual indicators of a good economy?

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lemmy.world

Not all instant coffee is terrible. There's a wide variety in quality there just like with full beans.

Also keep in mind that the average American is used to shit like Folger's in a Mr. Coffee, a Keurig K-cup, or the burnt espresso from Starbucks.

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MagicShelreply
lemmy.zip

So you're saying instant is good when you're comparing it to fecal soup? Not really selling it, here.

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Zammy95reply
lemmy.world

There totally is good instant coffee!

Made with good beans, that need to be imported fresh. So... Probably even more expensive, since it's those good beans, plus some additional processing for the novelty/longevity...

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Yep. Here in colombia the instant coffee is much more popular and it tastes exactly the same as normal brewed coffee (as long as you buy a good brand).

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lemmy.world

Can you (or others) please provide a couple examples of good instant? I am completely serious. I have a trip coming up where the coffee might be terrible or non-existent. I'd like to bring some [quality] instant just in case.

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Empricornreply
feddit.nl

The Starbucks Via Instant Coffee packets are decent and very convenient. Also, coffee expert James Hoffman reviews easily-available instant coffees for when you have absolutely nothing but hot water:

https://youtu.be/8cIqLvJz8VM

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Yes, I already have some SB and will likely bring it, but I was hoping for other suggestions. I appreciate your link to Mr Hoffman and I enjoyed the video. Ultimately, I found a brand called Black Coffee Roasting Company. I'll bring those and the SB on the trip. Thank you again.

BTW, I normally drink Dillanos. Their double-French roast is one of the best coffees I've had. I don't drink SB much anymore.

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The good instant espressos I've had were typically directly from the roaster. I'm a big fan of Black and White roasters out of North Carolina, and they have good instant.

I also have had really good instant from a site called loveluminous, but they're a bit strange. It's a drop store, so you can only order on Fridays, and you have to sign up to get a code sent to you.

Anyway, look for independent roasters of moderate size, you never know what some of them may carry.

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lemmy.world

That's not at all what I'm saying.

I swear no one on the internet has any reading comprehension skills anymore. Either that or everyone purposely assumes the worst interpretation of everything because they want to talk shit.

I was saying that just like regular beans, there are a variety of instant options as well on the market. Just because Walmart stocks terrible options, that doesn't mean there aren't others available. We're not talking about the pompous assholes that can't stop talking about their home espresso machine, fancy grinding habits, magical aero press, or how to properly do a pour over.

Most people just use the cheap stuff, the quick K-cup, or the Starbucks drive thru on the way to work because THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK, they just want their caffeine. So that's what you need to compare against.

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Mate, I didn't have anything more useful to say, so I went something funny. Your last sentence did kinda come across as "these swill-drinking bastards can't recognize good coffee anyway," but I apologize if I stressed you out or hit a nerve. If it seems I put no effort into reading/replying to your comment, it's because I didn't. Have a good day, bud.

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lemmy.world

Where did I say Starbucks didn't use beans? I'll wait...

I said Starbucks burns their shit. It's the McDonald's of coffee. Speed, quantity, and consistency across tens of thousands of locations worldwide at the lowest cost possible; quality is not a primary factor. It's why their business is focused around hiding the crap coffee with milk and syrup.

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Not all instant coffee is terrible. There's a wide variety in quality there just like with full beans.

That's true. Consumers have more choices and better options than in the past. But comparing it to pretty much any brand whole bean, ground fresh and properly extracted, absolutely not. No comparison. I would take Starbucks, Keurig (there's a ton of varieties, many decent), or Folgers any day over an instant...

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ladiciusreply
lemmy.world

Instant coffee which is made from instant and not from coffee?

Those maga dead brains really know how to solve problems.

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I like different coffee for different purposes. Instant coffee is mostly made from commodity coffee and blends in Robusta (which I don't like, personally).

That said, in a pinch, or if I can't be bothered with the whole shebang of a pour over or espresso. Mix in a little milk and sweetener and it's quite enjoyable.

That all being said, this is some mega MAGA copium they're pumping out.

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teftreply
lemmy.world

Instant coffee isn’t shamed here in colombia. It’s actually the most popular way to drink it. It’s prepared extra sweet with no milk and they call it tinto.

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dubvee.org

Interesting. I don't hate instant coffee, but never really buy it either except for the occasional tiny jar of decaf to keep on hand if Grandma visits (that is her jam lol).

The Simpsons reference was more toward the "cheaper alternatives" mentioned in the same quote, though.

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I just bought some, but only as an ingredient for yogurt and bread. Maybe a bbq rub

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That's great and all, but taking away an option and saying "the other option is good so why bother getting upset about it" is minimalizing the core issue. International tariffs are going to reduce consumer options and artificially raise prices.

That's totally ignoring the ethical sourcing issues with coffee as well. Specialty coffee companies have been working directly with growers in countries like Colombia, Peru, Uganda, Indonesia, etc. to give them fair wages and to combat monopoly pricing in the industry. I've spent $100 on a drum roaster to be able to buy green coffee from responsible companies that pay farmers a living wage. In the end, my home-roasted coffee costs less per pound than Great Value brand pre-ground coffee from Walmart. So now if buying green coffee gets too expensive, I'm expected to go from roasting for my own taste preference, grinding fresh beans, and brewing espresso...to instant coffee. Which in the United States is almost universally bitter dark roasted coffee with no regionally distinct tastes.

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“The way that you lower prices is that you encourage more capital investment into our country,” Vance added.

This clown hasn’t a clue how the economy works.

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feddit.org

There are only 3 ways to lower(that came to my mind) prices in a quick way.

1: Abandon regulations. If corporations don't have to invest into safety, ecology and such stuff they have lower production costs which can mean lower prices.

2: More competition. If corporations have to compete with each other they usually start a battle over who gets the best quality for the lowest price.

3: Subsidies. Nothing to say here I guess.

Edit: Point one and three lower production costs. As others have already pointed out, these dont mean lower prices, but more profit for companys

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1: Abandon regulations. If corporations don't have to invest into safety, ecology and such stuff they have lower production costs which can mean lower prices.

I think corporations have pretty clearly demonstrated an unwillingness to pass savings in their production chain on to the consumer. For example, very few items have gone back down to their pre-pandemic price point, even though scarcity and supply chain issues from COVID have largely resolved.

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Nationalize the companies involved in production and distribution and eliminate profit, making and selling everything at-cost also works.

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There's too much evidence all over the world that point 1 would never work. If deregulation relieve then from certain costs, they'll happily enjoy higher profits. 🤷

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Secret option 4: general strike. Pay us more, charge less, or we'll eat the wealthy before we go hungry.

May 1st. 2028. We all walk out together.

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He knows a lot better than the clowns that voted him in. Lowering prices would mean deflation and that's pretty much universally seen as a bad thing. The best you can do is increase wages. Of which the GOP will do nothing about.

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It seems like it's kept in the same binder Trump keeps his healthcare plan and his plan to end the war in Ukraine

Trump just wants to be president, he doesn't want to do president

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lemmy.world

You mean the man who said he had concepts of a plan didn't have a plan? Color me shocked.

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He once smelled someone’s seat who had the concept of a plan. That must count for something

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lemmy.world

It's because those gays run bed and breakfasts, up next on the docket for conservatives are beds.

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Yeah, these zellenials spending all their time eating avocado taquitos on their memory foam mattresses are destroying the economy. In my day, we slept on asbestos and mouse poop mats and we liked it.

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lemmy.world

Columbia's biggest export to the U.S. is crude oil. So oil prices higher from Canada, this would have been higher oil prices from Columbia... But I believe he didn't do the tarrifs. Guys a dumbass

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Listen, I've heard from a very reliable source that there is a concept for a plan.

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Nothing will be done to help regular people. All the talk is cover for the grifting and destruction.

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increasing capital investment and job creation.

So giving rich people money, same plan as the last forty years.

Brilliant.

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"Supporters, however, downplayed price hikes, suggesting cheaper alternatives like instant coffee."

Almost like it was never about egg prices at all for alot of them

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Supporters, however, downplayed price hikes, suggesting cheaper alternatives like instant coffee.

Translation:

Let them eat cake

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suggesting cheaper alternatives (to coffee) like instant coffee.

I... I... I can't even. What do these people think instant coffee is? It's still fucking coffee. Freeze dryed concentrated coffee. You still need coffee beans to make it. The price hike will still make instant coffee more expensive too. You're. So. Fucking. Stupid. MAGA.

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Oh hey, that's his plan for healthcare costs too.

Funny enough, not his plan for how to resolve issues with minorities wanting rights

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Executive orders don't work for things like reigning in corporate greed. They work for everything else. But helping a large portion of the nations backbone? Can't do it. Won't even try.

-DJT (probably)

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Most of these clowns have no idea of how basic economics work. They don't even understand basic US history. We tried the tariffs and isolationism route, guess what happened? Great Depression.

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Trump should tax the chickens and deport the ones who don't produce eggs. That'll scare the others to ramp up production. Trickle down theory for the win. /s

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Does this surprise anyone? I doubt they even have concepts of a plan, because they don't give a fuck.

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So… wait. A conservative laid out a rug, somehow got themselves elected, and then…. pulled it? As a big fan of rugs, I must say that I am very upset by this.

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I can come up with a semi successful plan in five minutes, yet both democrats and republicans rather waddle their toes around because big businesses are in their pants, and democrats barely gain shit because they can't even win an election to begin with

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Sooner or later everyone is going to have to accept these are the new regular prices.

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lemmy.world

How does it differ from democrats' plan to lower food prices?

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feddit.dk

Harris' plan was to ban price gourging which would put a cap on the price.

Trump doesn't have a plan to lower food prices.

That's the difference.

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Here's the thing.. As wishful thinking as this sounds... You and I both know this would have instantly been appealed by every major food manufacturer in the entire country and the SCOTUS would overturn it because it defeats the "free enterprise ideals" of capitalism.

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Well for a start Democrats weren't planning to turbocharge inflation by putting tariffs on everything. So already their plan was better.

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lemmy.world

Step 0. Inflation came back down to almost normal. Prices should no longer be increasing ass quickly

Step 1. Stabilize trade

Step ?: investigate price gouging

Step ?: explain the temporary impact of avian flu on poultry related products

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lemmy.world

Step 0. Inflation came back down to almost normal. Prices should no longer be increasing ass quickly

Your increase in suffering has slowed. Why aren't you happy?

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

So, even if you stop there and ignore everything else:

  • do you vote for “your increase in suffering has slowed” or “these policies will speed up your increase in suffering”?
  • or are they both the same?
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lemmy.world

do you vote for “your increase in suffering has slowed” or “these policies will speed up your increase in suffering”?

I voted for Harris. Her messaging was still dogshit on this issue. She was acting like the problem was fixed when it wasn't.

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lemmy.world

I voted for Harris

Ahhh. So you too- support genocide.

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lemmy.world

Oh cool. I have a stalker. I thought I left this sort of unhinged shit behind when I left reddit.

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So, let me explain something to you as I’ve seen you accuse people of this a lot and I think maybe you’re having a little trouble understanding how things work:

If someone interacts with you in the comments of a post, and then respond to you in that same post later or… even in a different comment section in a different post altogether….

That’s not stalking. That’s just interacting with people in a social media setting. And considering how often you post your rage-induced genocide accusations, if we go by your interpretation of the word, you’d have to pretty much accuse the entirely of lemmy of stalking.

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