Honestly, the current situation is beyond double standards. The Republicans have free reign to more or less break any of their own rules and suffer almost no consequences. Meanwhile, literally anything a Democrat does is spun into multiple mutually exclusive conspiracy theories that their base and the media somehow manage to spout simultaneously.
Not to mention leftists will latch onto it too and repeat the lie everywhere yet swear up and down that they voted for the Democrat even though they shit on them any time they open their mouth.
Sadly I think it would have been more than half.
Personally I'd like less of the Bible in any of our swear ins, but Orange Hitler not doing it just keeps the process rolling forward.
If one of Obama's friends would've done a nazi salute behind the presidential seal, the Republicans would've lynched Obama on the lawn of the white house
He was probably afraid of getting struck by divine lightning or something like that if he touched a Bible while uttering the words with no intentions to follow them.
As if they actually cared about such matters. It would have only been just another excuse to stoke moral panic and outrage as red meat for their rabid base.
It’s exactly the sort of cynicism that, by design and intent, leads to apathy and fascism
It is absolutely not a requirement to swear an oath on a bible, or even to have a bible nearby.
It just happens to be a longstanding custom in the USA. Many politicians take the oath on a bible just for the optics. DT, of all people, is all about optics. Dude probably wasn’t paying any attention, and surely winging his swearing given the last minute changes.
In any case, shouldn't everyone be applauding a president for refusing to touch a bible, tacitly denouncing religious contexts near government?
Except when Trump was asked what his favorite book of all time was, can you guess what he answered?
That's right. He said The Bible was his favorite book. You do understand the difference between actually believing in something, or just being a hypocrite and a con-man, right?
It's not about whether it's a requirement or not. It's about a con artist revealing the con, and watching people like you handwave it away.
I thought he won because the handling of the day to day economics of the average citizen was in shambles, but yeah, clearly magic sky man holds more weight
In any case, shouldn't everyone be applauding a president for refusing to touch a bible, tacitly denouncing religious contexts near government?
Not if it's someone that got elected based on their support for the union of church and state. Now if someone like AOC got elected president and didn't swear on the bible, that would mean something
This is just the childish act of crossing your fingers when you make a promise. He didn't put his hand on the Bible because he isn't planning on presiding faithfully, and he has absolutely no intention whatsoever to preserve, protect or defend the Constitution of the United States unless it benefits him personally at the time.
The part that blows me away is that he is so forgetful he missed an easy marketing ploy. Dude endorsed a Bible and didn't call them up, ask for a % proceed and bring his own Bible to the inauguration, then put advertisements up for "Get your own copy of the God Bless the USA Bible, the official Bible Trump swore into office on"
John Toberts (Chief Justice of the SC) misspoke one
of the lines that Obama was supposed to say. Obama, being an intelligent man had rehearsed the speech and recognized that it was incorrect. Obama
Said back the correct wording even tho Roberts said it wrong. They did re-do it privately for exactly the howler monkeys on Fox News who were shitting-in-their-hands happy about to start flinging poo.
When U.S. President Barack Obama took the oath of office Monday, he placed his hand on two Bibles.
The first was the Bible used by former President Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president of the United States, when he took the oath for his first term in 1861. The second Bible was the so-called "traveling Bible" used by slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Junior.
Lmao I've been told that "at least it's a more coherent and accurate description of gender than the last administration had"
And like, no, it's inaccurate and incoherent. How do you define "the sex that produces the large reproductive cell" if someone never produced that cell? Are infertile people sexless, or is there some other sex characteristic that's more reliable than gamete production? If there is, why not use that as a metric instead?
You could have just said "chromosomes." Good job, you think some men can get pregnant. Of course, you probably think Swyer syndrome is an exception to your rule that XY=male and XX=female, which throws a bit of a wrench in the idea that sex can be defined by something like gamete production or chromosomes. These people exist and have to get driver's licenses and shit, it's not like you can just pretend they're an outlier so they don't matter. Should their sex be determined by chromosomes, or the gametes they have? Or is there perhaps a third, more useful method of determining whether to call them men or women?
...maybe we could just ask them?
It's almost like it's an insanely complicated subject that requires more than a grade school education to understand and more than one sentence to define
Yeah but if AOC makes a gesture that looks a lot like a nazi salute, nobody cares about it. It's a double standard, but nobody actually thinks AOC is a nazi or was trying to evoke nazi imagery. Double standards aren't always automatically bad or wrong. They need to be considered in the context of the person and what they stand for.
Ok... Did you see the AOC video though? Imagine Elon doing that and tell me what you would think about it. It would look a lot different coming from him, and that's my point.
Since you give no link to what you're talking about, I'm gonna assume it's this one and preemptively debunk it.
Edit to add that it blows my mind how anyone could really believe that a Nazi salute would be anywhere near her demeanor, taking into account the genuine compassion she has shown her supporters, especially as a brown Latina herself. How come I, a foreigner, know more about her than you do? I mean, I did watch her broadcast live when that blew up, and have seen a couple of her short videos on YT shorts generally browsing, and listened to her arguments on the Senate floor as it's been recommended to me. Her message is clear. You really need to go out of your way to conceive something like that, you know?
No it's not that one, which was an obvious crop job. Another guy found it in one of the other comments. Again, it's not that I'm saying that AOC did the salute, just that what if Elon did the same exact thing? It's a double standard because he would be treated differently for it because of all the other context. But my point is that it's not unreasonable for there to be a double standard given the context of who did it.
But there's no possibility he did anything else than a Nazi salute. He's so socially incompetent he forgot about the plausible deniability. Now his supporters are working overtime to cover it up. Like I said, it's so weird that seeing a side-by-side comparison, it's the same gesture in beat and pose. And I might add, as a grand, deliberate gesture for his audience of his gratitude.
Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that it's a double standard that's only excusable of their respective personalities? I think you mean acceptance? I don't quite get what you mean by double standard as a trend. If AOC did the exact same gesture with the same intent, she'd be roasted alive by the left and people would not be questioning what she did and she'd immediately clarify with a statement that Elon has yet to give. The only double standard I see is how people start pointing elsewhere when a Republican politician does it. If it were a Democrat not a single soul would be pointing at that Greene plant in the Senate. xd This is the weirdest shit about US politics, that egregious double standard that envelopes this entire post.
Literal WW2 scholars have come forward and said that was unequivocally a Nazi salute. We have side-by-side comparisons that match the form and the timing. Everyone with an eye can tell what it is except for other Nazi sympathizers.
Yes, there are lots of people who get caught in what could be mistaken for a heil in a single photo.
Show me a video of anyone heiling, full motion start to finish, who is not a nazi. Please do, heck, if you can find someone not a nazi doing a double sieg heil in a row, I will give you a genuine 18k gold medal!
I don't think YOU understood. You fabricated a scenario that doesn't exist "AOC making a nazi salute", and then claimed that nobody would have said anything about it, therefore it's a double-standard.
You conjured an event out of thin air, and then claimed your imaginary event that never even happened was proof of an existing double-standard.
Now if AOC ever does an Elon and makes a constipated face while smashing her hand to her heart and grunting like a pig while thrusting it straight out in a nazi salute... twice... and nobody says anything... see, then you would have a point.
She could do the exact same thing and nobody would say anything about it. Nobody would consider for a second that she actually meant to do a salute. Why would she? What in her history would make anyone think she is aligned with nazis? What could she hope to accomplish doing such a thing to the type of crowd she would be speaking to? The very idea is preposterous, and for that reason it wouldn't even be considered.
Can you please show me what you are referring to and the context? Because the context of the event discussed was very clear. It wasn't a never do this educational situation. Dude just had to say, my bad it looked like that but I was caught up in the moment and meant to put my hand out with an open palm like Jesus in Rio but we instead accidentally kept them facing down.
A lot of the issue stemmed from him doing it twice after supporting a far right Germany movement and not just saying my bad.
Yeah that's my point. It has a lot more credibility as an accusation against Musk compared to when AOC did something very similar. Because nobody thinks AOC is a Nazi. It's a bit of a double standard, but so what?
Here's your video. You can clearly see she is waving her arms to make a point. She isn't doing a Nazi salute as this X nut apparently thinks. She isn't bringing her arm down to her chest and saluting.
Saying she does 3 Nazi salutes here would be like saying am umpire does a double everytime he calls someone out. In U.S. Culture Out and No kind of have that same hand movement. It's like a physical X gesture.
Not at all, we don't label all Italians Nazis just for taking with their hands (first stereotype that came to mind as my father's side is all from Sicily)
Well you're conveniently forgetting that Obama had the fucking audacity to
eat dijon mustardwear a tan suitbe black.And tan suit which is an anagram for satanic (well, almost…)
satunit
Suitanic
tan suiite
What a dick move of him!
Honestly, the current situation is beyond double standards. The Republicans have free reign to more or less break any of their own rules and suffer almost no consequences. Meanwhile, literally anything a Democrat does is spun into multiple mutually exclusive conspiracy theories that their base and the media somehow manage to spout simultaneously.
Not to mention leftists will latch onto it too and repeat the lie everywhere yet swear up and down that they voted for the Democrat even though they shit on them any time they open their mouth.
lol, get lost troll
Sorry can't hear you over the sound of you being blocked.
Big Antichrist vibes. Would it have burned his hand? I guess will never know.
or bible too big, make hand look even smaller.
I think we can safely assume it would have. Why else wouldn't he want to touch Jesus Book?
He already did during his last term.
But he held it upside down, maybe that has some theological implications.
He held something upside down, nobody really knows what it actually was.
I think you might be on to something
Sadly I think it would have been more than half. Personally I'd like less of the Bible in any of our swear ins, but Orange Hitler not doing it just keeps the process rolling forward.
The person can choose what they swear on. He chose the bible, then failed to use it.
white
christiansupremacyHell, even the racism and fake Christianity are just bones they toss to the base while doing their real business.
Fascism will always find an out crowd
White cis het male supremacy.
Whoever succeeds trump, (assuming that happens, and it's not Vance), should do the same thing, so we can maybe get rid of that dumbass tradition.
If one of Obama's friends would've done a nazi salute behind the presidential seal, the Republicans would've lynched Obama on the lawn of the white house
He actually did take the oath without putting his hand on a bible and they did try to make a big deal about it.
John Roberts messed up the oath during the inauguration and they had to redo it later.
During the do-over there was no bible: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_inauguration_of_Barack_Obama
He was probably afraid of getting struck by divine lightning or something like that if he touched a Bible while uttering the words with no intentions to follow them.
Not to be annoying but it is in fact your business
As if they actually cared about such matters. It would have only been just another excuse to stoke moral panic and outrage as red meat for their rabid base.
It’s exactly the sort of cynicism that, by design and intent, leads to apathy and fascism
Did the orange turd or someone else do that?
Orange turd.
It is absolutely not a requirement to swear an oath on a bible, or even to have a bible nearby.
It just happens to be a longstanding custom in the USA. Many politicians take the oath on a bible just for the optics. DT, of all people, is all about optics. Dude probably wasn’t paying any attention, and surely winging his swearing given the last minute changes.
In any case, shouldn't everyone be applauding a president for refusing to touch a bible, tacitly denouncing religious contexts near government?
Except when Trump was asked what his favorite book of all time was, can you guess what he answered?
That's right. He said The Bible was his favorite book. You do understand the difference between actually believing in something, or just being a hypocrite and a con-man, right?
It's not about whether it's a requirement or not. It's about a con artist revealing the con, and watching people like you handwave it away.
Yeah aside from the whole using the Jesus vote to win thing.
I thought he won because the handling of the day to day economics of the average citizen was in shambles, but yeah, clearly magic sky man holds more weight
What are you even saying?
He very definitely panders to the religious right, saying otherwise is absurd.
He literally sells bibles.
And where are egg prices after he said he’d have them lowered day one?
Bible is surely a disgrace and pathetic.
It's understandable and I agree that no President should ever lay hands on that comic.
I do believe 100% that Trump would've easily laid his hand on the book Mein Kempf.
Yeah it is just a custom. But the point still stands.
Some odd books people have been sworn in on:
Oh, The Places You Will Go - Dr. Seuss
The Autobiography of Malcom X
A Superman Comic
Ugh, now you're going to make me look up who swore in under Dr. Seuss.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/missouri-councilwoman-dr-seuss-book-sworn-office/story?id=65096396
We were duped, it wasn't a president. Still cool though. Thanks for the link, you posted it twice if you don't know by the by
Well, who was it?
Edit: https://abcnews.go.com/US/missouri-councilwoman-dr-seuss-book-sworn-office/story?id=65096396
Not if it's someone that got elected based on their support for the union of church and state. Now if someone like AOC got elected president and didn't swear on the bible, that would mean something
AOC should have sworn in on a union contract. Maybe then she wouldn't have voted to protect the rail corporation from a union strike.
This is just the childish act of crossing your fingers when you make a promise. He didn't put his hand on the Bible because he isn't planning on presiding faithfully, and he has absolutely no intention whatsoever to preserve, protect or defend the Constitution of the United States unless it benefits him personally at the time.
It's the ceremony organizers' fault for neglecting to bring a bible small enough to put his hand on.
Not half, but a veeeery loud quarter of it
openauth?
What happened?
Trump broke with tradition and didn't put his hand on the Bible during his inauguration.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-stirs-curiosity-online-after-not-placing-hand-bible-during-oath-2025-01-20/
One might expect to hear conservative Christians squawking about it, but they have been notably quiet.
Can you not read?
Maybe for a meme it has too many words
Is it possible he actually thinks he would go to hell if he did?
The part that blows me away is that he is so forgetful he missed an easy marketing ploy. Dude endorsed a Bible and didn't call them up, ask for a % proceed and bring his own Bible to the inauguration, then put advertisements up for "Get your own copy of the God Bless the USA Bible, the official Bible Trump swore into office on"
Didn't that actually happen, and they had a private do-over?
John Toberts (Chief Justice of the SC) misspoke one of the lines that Obama was supposed to say. Obama, being an intelligent man had rehearsed the speech and recognized that it was incorrect. Obama Said back the correct wording even tho Roberts said it wrong. They did re-do it privately for exactly the howler monkeys on Fox News who were shitting-in-their-hands happy about to start flinging poo.
Is he not in the business of selling the Trump Bibles to schools? Bullshit is hurting my head.
I didn't know there were green sayings
Or maybe you are just a liar??
When U.S. President Barack Obama took the oath of office Monday, he placed his hand on two Bibles.
The first was the Bible used by former President Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president of the United States, when he took the oath for his first term in 1861. The second Bible was the so-called "traveling Bible" used by slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Junior.
„Made it federal law that biology exists“ is such a gross, yet ironic misrepresentation of the actual matter it’s actually funny
Um, the sheer irony of even the "biology exists" part of what you said is that any biologist will tell you how factually incorrect his law is.
Lmao I've been told that "at least it's a more coherent and accurate description of gender than the last administration had"
And like, no, it's inaccurate and incoherent. How do you define "the sex that produces the large reproductive cell" if someone never produced that cell? Are infertile people sexless, or is there some other sex characteristic that's more reliable than gamete production? If there is, why not use that as a metric instead?
You could have just said "chromosomes." Good job, you think some men can get pregnant. Of course, you probably think Swyer syndrome is an exception to your rule that XY=male and XX=female, which throws a bit of a wrench in the idea that sex can be defined by something like gamete production or chromosomes. These people exist and have to get driver's licenses and shit, it's not like you can just pretend they're an outlier so they don't matter. Should their sex be determined by chromosomes, or the gametes they have? Or is there perhaps a third, more useful method of determining whether to call them men or women?
...maybe we could just ask them?
It's almost like it's an insanely complicated subject that requires more than a grade school education to understand and more than one sentence to define
This is indeed a comment alright
Yeah but if AOC makes a gesture that looks a lot like a nazi salute, nobody cares about it. It's a double standard, but nobody actually thinks AOC is a nazi or was trying to evoke nazi imagery. Double standards aren't always automatically bad or wrong. They need to be considered in the context of the person and what they stand for.
Dude, he did it 2 times, give me a break and best part is that he meant it, hence the 2 times salute. Cope harder
Not only that, but Elon promotes and sponsors multiple reactionary political groups around the world, including the AfD
Ok... Did you see the AOC video though? Imagine Elon doing that and tell me what you would think about it. It would look a lot different coming from him, and that's my point.
Since you give no link to what you're talking about, I'm gonna assume it's this one and preemptively debunk it.
Edit to add that it blows my mind how anyone could really believe that a Nazi salute would be anywhere near her demeanor, taking into account the genuine compassion she has shown her supporters, especially as a brown Latina herself. How come I, a foreigner, know more about her than you do? I mean, I did watch her broadcast live when that blew up, and have seen a couple of her short videos on YT shorts generally browsing, and listened to her arguments on the Senate floor as it's been recommended to me. Her message is clear. You really need to go out of your way to conceive something like that, you know?
No it's not that one, which was an obvious crop job. Another guy found it in one of the other comments. Again, it's not that I'm saying that AOC did the salute, just that what if Elon did the same exact thing? It's a double standard because he would be treated differently for it because of all the other context. But my point is that it's not unreasonable for there to be a double standard given the context of who did it.
But there's no possibility he did anything else than a Nazi salute. He's so socially incompetent he forgot about the plausible deniability. Now his supporters are working overtime to cover it up. Like I said, it's so weird that seeing a side-by-side comparison, it's the same gesture in beat and pose. And I might add, as a grand, deliberate gesture for his audience of his gratitude.
Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that it's a double standard that's only excusable of their respective personalities? I think you mean acceptance? I don't quite get what you mean by double standard as a trend. If AOC did the exact same gesture with the same intent, she'd be roasted alive by the left and people would not be questioning what she did and she'd immediately clarify with a statement that Elon has yet to give. The only double standard I see is how people start pointing elsewhere when a Republican politician does it. If it were a Democrat not a single soul would be pointing at that Greene plant in the Senate. xd This is the weirdest shit about US politics, that egregious double standard that envelopes this entire post.
He is a bootlicker, you are wasting your time
Oh yeah, I know, i recognize a couple of them. I want to make it clear how absurd they are.
Literal WW2 scholars have come forward and said that was unequivocally a Nazi salute. We have side-by-side comparisons that match the form and the timing. Everyone with an eye can tell what it is except for other Nazi sympathizers.
Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
I mean...
You know what we call people who defend Nazis?
Nazis
You totally missed the point...
Yes, there are lots of people who get caught in what could be mistaken for a heil in a single photo.
Show me a video of anyone heiling, full motion start to finish, who is not a nazi. Please do, heck, if you can find someone not a nazi doing a double sieg heil in a row, I will give you a genuine 18k gold medal!
Username does not check out.
I like that strawman you built, it's so weak and flimsy a small breeze would knock it over.
Straw man? I don't think you understood the point I was making...
I don't think YOU understood. You fabricated a scenario that doesn't exist "AOC making a nazi salute", and then claimed that nobody would have said anything about it, therefore it's a double-standard.
You conjured an event out of thin air, and then claimed your imaginary event that never even happened was proof of an existing double-standard.
Now if AOC ever does an Elon and makes a constipated face while smashing her hand to her heart and grunting like a pig while thrusting it straight out in a nazi salute... twice... and nobody says anything... see, then you would have a point.
She could do the exact same thing and nobody would say anything about it. Nobody would consider for a second that she actually meant to do a salute. Why would she? What in her history would make anyone think she is aligned with nazis? What could she hope to accomplish doing such a thing to the type of crowd she would be speaking to? The very idea is preposterous, and for that reason it wouldn't even be considered.
Show me a video of AOC doing a nazi salute two times in a row.
Preferably with bare feet.
Leftist feet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> billionaire nazis
Can you please show me what you are referring to and the context? Because the context of the event discussed was very clear. It wasn't a never do this educational situation. Dude just had to say, my bad it looked like that but I was caught up in the moment and meant to put my hand out with an open palm like Jesus in Rio but we instead accidentally kept them facing down.
A lot of the issue stemmed from him doing it twice after supporting a far right Germany movement and not just saying my bad.
Yeah that's my point. It has a lot more credibility as an accusation against Musk compared to when AOC did something very similar. Because nobody thinks AOC is a Nazi. It's a bit of a double standard, but so what?
This is what I'm referring to. If you can find the video it really does look like a nazi salute, but nobody actually thinks that it is, in any way: https://x.com/APTeacher1754/status/1882043612122497239/photo/1
https://x.com/emilyraustin/status/1882164579020759417
Here's your video. You can clearly see she is waving her arms to make a point. She isn't doing a Nazi salute as this X nut apparently thinks. She isn't bringing her arm down to her chest and saluting.
Saying she does 3 Nazi salutes here would be like saying am umpire does a double everytime he calls someone out. In U.S. Culture Out and No kind of have that same hand movement. It's like a physical X gesture.
Yeah but imagine Musk doing that exact thing. I'm pretty sure it would hit a lot different.
Not at all, we don't label all Italians Nazis just for taking with their hands (first stereotype that came to mind as my father's side is all from Sicily)
Yes but I'm saying what if Musk did that.
Nothing would happen? He would have been said to be talking with his hands? The stretch here is vast. There is no Nazi symbolism there