Spyke
Saeveoreply
lemmy.world

He's laughing with them, they're out there gaslighting people for him.

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whalerossreply
lemmy.world

I'd imagine Musk thinking everybody are laughing with him always because he is so desperate for validation and those that he can't gaslight himself are with him is why he is a nazi.

I'd imagine Trump to laugh to himself with self indulgence of all his smarts, and mostly scoffing and despise everyone that supports him or not including those closest to him and his own family. Thinking of it, it's not impossible he despises them all because they are supporting him. Idiots that allow themselves to be herded like sheep by a wolf like himself.

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By all accounts I've heard, the man has no sense of humour at all and scarcely ever find anything funny. Fact is, we're in this mess because he can't take a joke.

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In this case, they are. The AIPAC Defense League is dickriding Leon Skum because he's in tight with the new furher, and both of them are cool with israel leveling Palestine.

These are one side of the same coin.

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I'd feel pretty safe if I literally controlled the platform everyone was speaking on, too.

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Also remember it’s in Israel’s best interest to conflate Jews with zionists and make people worldwide hate Jews so they make Aaliyah to Israel and create babies for the IDF. Also the goal of the “birthright” program (what a fascist name right?!)

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aussie.zone

The ADL are defenders of genocide. Is it any wonder they'd be pro-Nazi?

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lemmy.ml

Never forget that the ADL spied on American citizens for Apartheid South Africa on behalf of Israel during the Reagan administration.

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lemm.ee

on behalf of Israel

Not exactly a good argument to discredit them saying it is not a nazi salute. An organization working on behalf of israel is unlikely to support nazi behaviors, no?

I'm not making any claims about the ADL beyond having some serious doubt that they would go along with nazi-ism.

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This was a literal investigated criminal case, this isn't supposition.

Your serious doubts is nothing more than ignorance.

EDIT: Another thing that is not supposition. Israel was one of the final supporters of Apartheid South Africa. They supported them even after the US stopped.

Pick up a history book.

And Yes, Israel has just spent the last 15 months committing what every human rights organization has declared a genocide. Can't get more nazi'ish then committing a genocide.

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Israel has a complex relationship with Nazis.

During WW2, the Lehi terrorist organization actually tried to join in the war on the side of the Nazis.

One of the men behind this initiative went onto become prime minister of Israel in the early 1980s.

The Lehi terrorist organization folded into the IDF in 1949.

Now, there was a philosopher who was a member of Lehi, he took Nazi ideology and sort of swapped master race and the undesirable race. God's chosen people had to be the master race, and the Arabs who lived in on the land were declared to be undesirable.

As a note, the Lehi prime minister was Netanyahu's political mentor.

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inv3r5ionreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

The ADL is atrocious. I’m Jewish. This was a variation of a Nazi salute.

Also, Zionist and Nazi propaganda have quite the overlap about “chosen people” and “master race”. It never sat well with me as a kid which is why I became antizionist around age 10 or so.

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lemmy.world

If Elon walked out wearing a red arm band with a swastika, the ADL would be talking about its history as a Hindu symbol.

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"Mr. Musk has provided us with another delicate moment, demonstrating the ancient Roman salute combined with a Hindu symbol. It appears that the talk about the AI-operated gas chambers was a bit of an awkward slip, and it's best we do not further aggravate the division of our nation."

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sopuli.xyz

If it was a genuine mistake he would have sincerely apologised. Only a nazi doesn't apologise for making a nazi salute.

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lemmy.world

Is "Thanks guys" the only comment he's made on the topic?

(Asking here because I don't have a twitter account)

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I remember reading he also just laughed it off and said people are just paranoid and see what they want to see.

A pretty good tell-tale sign of a fascist is that they will never apologize or admit doing wrong. You have to appear strong at all times.

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lemmy.ml

Anti-Defamation League. Basically a zionist organization that goes after anything they percieve as being anti-semitic. Their definition of anti-semitic typically seems to include vocally supporting Palestine & not supporting Israel.

Part of what makes this noteworthy is they call anti-semitism often in dubious cases where it is not present - so them defending Elon sieg heiling multiple times is unusual, but also likely a calculated move to not distance their organization from president musk's administration.

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bdonvrreply
thelemmy.club

They're an organization that calls out antisemitism.

Problem is saying anything against Israel, or pro-Palestine will get you on their public list of antisemites, along side your local neo-nazi militia members.

It's Zionist propaganda and intimidation.

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They spied for a foreign government. They should have been required to register as foreign agents and the only reason they didn't was because the foreign government was Israel. Instead they just had to notify the US citizens they spied upon that they spied upon them, and what they discovered.

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evidencesreply
lemmy.world

ADL stands for Anti Defamation League, the first paragraph on the about us page on their website reads.

ADL is the leading anti-hate organization in the world. Founded in 1913, its timeless mission is “to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all.”

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Nah, you just gotta ask them what a fair treatment for a Palestinian would be. Probably not anywhere near what would be fair treatment for an Israeli. Or most other folks.

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According to the Israel government, the "fair treatment" for Palestinians is the "Endlösung".

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spooky2092reply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Pretty sure their 'fair treatment' involves giving them a free (metaphorical) pine box.

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Yeah, Israel like other places that commit crimes against humanity aren't into respecting their victims after death, just like they didn't do it while they were alive.

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lemmy.world

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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The ADL exposed themselves as a hate group 14 months ago

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The ADL has been in Trump's pocket ever since he moved the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

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lemmy.ml

Musk attended Netanyahu's visit to Congress. And Musk went to Israel for a propaganda tour of oct7.

Fun fact zero babies were shot in their crib on oct7

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What the hell is happening in this photo?

Is that a crib on a shopping cart? Umbrella vests? Musk wearing Taci-cool wear?

If I didn't know any better, I'd say this was made up to mock Musk and Israel.

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Israel made up a thousand lies about Hamas doing things which never happened to manufacture consent for the genocide. No Western media really covered that they were all lies after it turned out to be fake and everyone just kinda ignored that and moved on.

This Israeli reporter covered it quite well https://youtu.be/jp4uLjCztfI

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lemmy.world

Lot of businesses backed up Hitler and his Nazis too.

A lot of them even came out of that whole situation in pretty good shape.

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IBM, Coke, and Ford had no issues doing business in nazy germany, even if they were under a different name. Business only cares about steady and growing revenues/margins no matter how it comes about it.

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The most important lesson I learned in Hebrew school was that the Holocaust would have not been possible without IBM.

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Yeah it was just "my heart goes to all of you" also known as "Meine Ehre heißt Treue”.

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lemmy.world

Reminder that Zionists like to collaborate with antisemites, in the hopes of accelerating emigration to Israel.

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Not so fun fact: early on Hitler was a zionist, or at least considered it a good "solution" to the "Jewish question" before he came up with the final solution.

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reddthat.com

Regardless of if he intended to do a Nazi salute or not exposing the public to that level of cringe should be a capital offense.

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I hope his Tesla malfunctions with him in it. Shitty ass car killing a shitty ass person would be chefs kiss

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As long as you grease the right palms you're never in the wrong

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I heard of ADL Wayy before this,And its pretty classic they are doing this judging by their past.

(oops wrong acc but its fine)

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lemmy.world

made an awkward gesture forgot he wasn't supposed to do the Nazi salute in public in a moment of enthusiasm...
FTFY

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Forgot? Why should he care? There appear to be no repercussions to his behaviour.
Unfortunately, it seems these people can do whatever the hell they want.

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Why wouldn't they? The ADL has never had a problem with fascism, they're one of it's staunchest supporters.

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Lol is the Elon response real of photoshopped? Man what an asshole if true. I mean, also asshole if not.

I've always suspected this man was a wolf in sheep's clothing, but I was told I was overthinking it. I wonder if the ppl who told me that I was wrong remember doing so.

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Maybe he had no1 near he could've given a hug. Or nobody near wanted to hug a Nazi. So this 'awkward gesture' was his cry for help. To help him take the burden of billions and billions off of him. And ask Betty Ford centre to take care of him for the next decades.

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I don't know who adl is but this is correct. he actually was going off on the us putting astronaughts on mars because he wants trump to funnel money to his company. He was making all these broad gestures and we are going to put a flag here and here. honestly I practically would have prefered a straight out nazis salute.

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pawb.social

He thumped his chest and did it emphatically. Then he turned around and did it again. The only way it could've been more nazilike is if he stomped while he did it

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yeah. sorry if it sounded like he did not its just his whole thing went into this america fuck yeah type of thing that followed in lets get people on mars which worries me more as I hear a big sucking of tax money sound from him. what he was going on about would cost someone (cough us) trillions and not just one. many many. but yeah why that is his go to excitement gesture is pretty disturbing.

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lemmy.zip

Did it ever occur to you that maybe this was simply a mistake? Never assume Malice for something that can be explained by utter stupidity. If it was intentional he probably would be bragging about it non stop.

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Two times. One after another. He did it two times specifically to assure you that he's not joking. And he knew you would still excuse him.

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Did it ever occur to you to watch the video? Even the first time was a very deliberate movement, and the second time should remove any doubt.

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explodiclereply
sh.itjust.works

I think he didn't mean to do it in that moment, but he appears to have been practicing.

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It is hard to do it by mistake, and even if let's not treat 53 year old man as some kid that didn't know.

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Yes, that was my first thought. Then I saw him turn around and do it a second time.

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Dude, watch the video, it's like 10 seconds long. He does the salute, twice. Not in a "oh this could be construed as something else", but a full on seig heil. Twice.

He then posted the video of himself doing it on Twitter. Not with any explanations or defense of his actions, just the video.

He gave a Nazi salute and is proud of it. And idiots like you are scrambling to try and give him the benefit of the doubt when literally no doubt exists.

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Mate, he did the nazi salute twice. If it was a still image you might be able to believe that it was an unintentional part of a larger gesture, but the video shows what it is. It's a nazi salute. If you don't want to be compared to nazis, maybe don't do the nazi salute?

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This is the essence of doublespeak: contradictions in the smallest possible footprint, laid out glaringly and consumed with eager approval.

That's what you're doing literally right now. Dude makes a clear Nazi salute and you're like "naaah surely the ADL can't be wrong" like no fuck the ADL and their lies.

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lemmy.world

He wasn't doing a Nazi salute. He's literally trolling you all and you're all falling for it.

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protistreply
mander.xyz

"He didn't mean for it to be a Nazi salute, he just wanted it to look like a Nazi salute. You know, to troll people who don't like Nazis "

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Jacktheladreply
lemmy.world

He's literally just a cringe edgelord desperate for attention. And people keep giving him exactly what he wants.

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What's the difference between a nazi and a cringe edgelord?

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It's the rule of goats:

If you screw a goat ironically, you still screwed a goat.

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Explain me how this is trolling people. Hahaha I'll just do a little gesture that seems exactly like a nazis salute...to troll some liberals.

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tostosreply
lemmy.world

ask the trump why his hand wasn't on the bible during oath

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Because the event was indoors, the fire marshal wouldn't allow it.

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lemmy.world

Have you seen the video? He did an unmistakable Nazi salute to the crowd, then turned around and did the same Nazi salute towards the USA flag. This was as Sieg heil as Nazi salutes come.

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In no time ever has a Nazi gripped their heart like that before reaching out their hand. I just went through countless videos of fucking Nazis to confirm this. Stop spreading misinformation /disinformation

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lemmy.world

So according to you, Elon Musk has his heart in his upper left side longue, close to his left shoulder. Sounds like one special kind of human.

And if that's just waving, then why according to you did he wave to the American flag? Is that just how south-africans salute the usa flag, by "waving" at it?

And I also call bullshit on the claim of having watched countless videos. If you had, then you had seen a much greater variety of Nazi salutes. Nazis as they got older and/or higher in the Nazi hierarchy, they became sloppier with the Nazi salutes. Sometimes the mind is willing, but the body says no.

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Nothing I say to explain further why it isn't a Nazi salute won't matter. It's evident your bias will cloud any rational discourse.

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I still would love to hear your explanation of why he is "waving" at the American flag.

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So a Nazi salute has to be totally historically accurate for you to see it for what it is, but you can "give your heart" to an audience with a hand raised and downturned and you have no issue with that explanation? If you give, your hand is generally upturned. That is the gesture. Golly gosh I wonder why he did it that way instead 🤔🤔🤔 total mystery.

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lemmy.world

What the hell are you on about?

Elon Musk does an unmistakable Nazi salute, you claim he was just "waving", despite there not even having been a waving motion, just the one swing from left shoulder to full extended right arm, which is a textbook Nazi salute. And now you come with whataboutism about Hamas and I don't even know what's the point of it.

What kind of troll are you?

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I know you wanted to be sarcastic but you ended up not making any sense.

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ddashreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

If this kind of greeting is so much in your standard repertoire that you just accidentally without thinking go for it in such a moment... Then it is not the "stupid PC police trying to claim everything is offensive". It is offensive. Which normal person does that?

Edit: I mean, seriously, look at this

Taken from https://lemmy.world/post/24527348 I just include it here in case that post is deleted.

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zephorahreply
lemm.ee

Nice gaslight attempt.

Context matters. This is a man futzing around with the far right in Germany, specifically, right now. The movement made is sharp, exact. It is what it looks like it is.

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lemmy.world

And here I am, 45 years old and never accidentally made this motion. How unlikely of me.

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"Everyone does these things, sometimes it just a slip of the tongue."

"I've never once done a Hitler salute accidentally, nor said the N word in a heated gamer moment."

"You're just weird, everyone is a closeted racist like I am!"

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Valmondreply
lemmy.world

More like that guy hanging out in the Nazi bar...

-"Does he say he's a nazi?"

No, but he does the nazi salute.

-"tHaT doesn't prove anything!!!"

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The part of Gul Madred will now be played by [email protected].

To which I say to you: THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS.

Don’t be a Gul. It’s not cool.

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"Guys, guys. Since Musk isn't from Germany, he's not a Nazi! It's just sparkling fascism! Totally different!"

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Go into work today and do this to everyone you see then. And don't half ass it. Straight arm, hand down, up at an angle. Direct eye contact too.

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NOT_RICKreply
lemmy.world

Elon could come out in a SS uniform and you’d probably just suggest he’s really into historical reenactment, give me a fuckin break.

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I can totally see the difference. One is in colour and the other is in black & white. Ergo, not a Nazi salute. Got it.

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ddashreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Hahaha, just wtf. You're just trolling, I get it, it can be fun.

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Never trust someone with two first names. Been following that advice my entire life and I've yet to find an exception, they're always a piece of shit and usually prove that very quickly.

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pyrereply
lemmy.world

remember guys, it's only a nazi if they do a nazi salute while saying "heil hitler I'm a nazi kill all jews and other minorities" just like it's only a racist if they're burning a cross and yelling the hard R and saying "I'm a racist", but only if they do it all at the same time. 2 out of 3 doesnt qualify.

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lemmynsfw.com

Friend, there's no way you can convince anyone, especially not a German. Shuffle back into the shadows.

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Being proud of things you had nothing to do with is incredibly stupid. I'm happy to be here, yes, but what the fuck should I be proud of? I didn't do it myself. And the rest of your message just shows how clueless you are of everything outside of your hate bubble. So, no, you won't get to anger me.

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Glasgowreply
lemmy.ml

He done it twice and repeated a version of the 14-words after it, thanking them for securing the nations future.

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Glasgowreply
lemmy.ml

I didn’t say any of that I just said he definitely meant to do a Nazi salute.

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lemmy.world

Okay, prove it. Tell everyone how one of the biggest supporters of the Jewish state plans to eliminate Jews.

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Glasgowreply
lemmy.ml

Why would I need to prove something I didn’t say?

You can do a Nazi salute without wanting to exterminate all Jews. Learn some nuance.

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lemmy.world

That's coming from the people that are ready to kill on the sight of rainbow colors on some fabric.

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He did the salute. And talked about the Great Replacement Theory. And endorsed the fucking AfD. And named himself Kekius Maximus.

He's a Nazi, Jack, wake up.

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zephorahreply
lemm.ee

Cool. What is your walkaround for the crap he’s pulling in Germany’s politics right now, with their far right?

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Afaik musk is yet to explicitly deny it. Laughing at adl doesn't count

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blazeknavereply
lemmy.world

You voted for Stein. You don't get opinions, bitch. At least vote for the person you're choosing to elect you spineless piece of shit.

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lemmy.world

Democrats aren't dressed in Biden or Kamala gear head to toe. You've got it wrong where the cult behavior is. And easily so.

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May i ask, why you spend so much time today defending musk doing the facist salute?

I mean you could have done many more productive things, why white knighting the allegedly richest man in the world?

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blazeknavereply
lemmy.world

Edit: I appreciate the vote count and the moderators leaving my comments up. I want to dial it back though. I've eaten my annual allotment of troll bait and I want to dial back my rage at stupidity.

Who knows what someone is going through any given day. I was less kind than usual bc I'm stressed out like everyone is, so maybe so is this other person. I'm bowing out and saving my susceptibility to rage bait for actual Nazis.

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