I'm not sure what the green is vs the red. I would assume African cultures don't support it mostly because it seems unlikely that they developed the same arbitrary (religious) surgery. That would however imply that Europe is a lot more supportive of circumcision than I would have expected. Either way I'm surprised.
What do you think are the major religions in the continent of Africa? Traditional religions take up less than 10% of religious belief. Yes, less than 10% for all of them combined
Douglas Adams morally safe meat. Cows breed to be smart enough to agree to be food. To the point they will just pop off and off them selves .... But don't worry it will be in a very humane way.... And don't forget to try my rump it's very juicy...
This is from the restaurant at the end of the universe btw
Well in all seriousness, humans can consent and cows can't (or if they can, they have no unambiguous way to communicate this consent to humans), so human leather is more ethical.
Jokes like this make me uncomfortable :( there's legit eco fash positions like this. Invasive species rhetoric is bad applied to all species imho, because killing children for some sort of inherited sin seems unreasonable to me.
I appreciate you calling out this kind of stuff. It seems like in this instance, OP was just joking, but I'm deeply nervous at how many people are genuinely believing and propagating eco-fascist rhetoric nowadays.
I mean that’s a screenshot from Rimworld so ethical leather harvesting is a small thing compared to prisoner organ harvesting
(Source I play too much Rimworld)
You can do both at once >:)
Step 1: Obtain prisoners
Step 2: Harvest all organs that they can survive without, followed by the second lung or the hat
Step 3: Chop up into snack size portions and enjoy your new hat materials.
I feel like if a child with a similar level of cognition as the cow harms other children, most people will say they have no moral agency yet, and will still see harvesting their leather as immoral.
There are two ways to resolve that inconsistency...
because of the meat industry, i think its more ethical to use leather than let it go to waste. it lasts a long time and can replace a lot of other textiles that would need to be replaced more.
Yeah, just like we should eat more meat. Meat is just a waste product of the leather industry! Eating meat helps stop climate change because then we dont need to eat plants that are mono culture that use up space of trees.
And the good thing is, when demand for (human) leather is higher than supply, people will just breed some more humans, keep them on farms, use their labor and sell their leather. With nothing going to waste, just the beautiful circle of life.
We've gotten quite efficient at doing that so there's plenty opportunity to have more jobs, make a profit and to provide a product at an affordable price point, at the same time, all with human leather farms. Just have to compromise on welfare and sustainability step by step for more profit, but humans are already really great at ignoring such things when it's advantageous to them, so most won't ask any pesky questions anyways. We just have to normalize human leather (from factory farms) and everything will be great.
Its true, but on the flipside if you gave the meat industry less ways to recoup cost of "waste" then it may push meat prices higher and move people to plant based diets, thus removing need for amount of animals
I think dead people don't need their skins. Maybe expand to prisoners, and maybe allow poor people sell their skins for example to fund their children's education etc.
During war times would be very good for the markets to allow skinning deceased soldiers or civilians, this would promote use of some chemical weapons that cause the enemy to asphyxiate or whatever in favour of terrible weapons that rip humans apart.
We could help to solve the issue with overpopulation in developing nations
Vegan leather. Not made out of vegans. Actually made out of polyurethane: oil: check, microplastics: check, disposable with a short usable life: check!
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It's Rimworld, so making hats out of guests is kind of mandatory.
That's so much leather tho
Digging graves takes time and space. Butchering gives resources. You do the math.
In Anomaly I feed them all to my Harbinger Trees for more bioferrite!
But if I had any cannibals, or my Ideoligion didn't dislike corpses so much, I would probably do things differently.
Well, the human can consent, so that would make it perfectly ethical if they do.
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Why let baby foreskins go to waste is what I always say.
Wait.... Don't tell me you don't know about the baby foreskin facials???????
Baby foreskin facials are so wasteful. Why smear them on your face once and discard them when you can make a leather thong from them for years of use?
Why human love infant genital mutilation so much?
It’s far from universally loved.
Wow, I'm surprised at how much it skews eastwards in the US.
I'm not sure what the green is vs the red. I would assume African cultures don't support it mostly because it seems unlikely that they developed the same arbitrary (religious) surgery. That would however imply that Europe is a lot more supportive of circumcision than I would have expected. Either way I'm surprised.
What do you think are the major religions in the continent of Africa? Traditional religions take up less than 10% of religious belief. Yes, less than 10% for all of them combined
That's fair. I forgot that we colonized them a little bit less than respectfully.
Red is 90–100% circumcised. Green is 0–9%.
It's mostly majority Muslim countries in red with the exception of the Philippines, South Korea, and the US
Could you imagine a baby foreskin fanny pack? That way it could hurt everyone involved!
I'd donate my body to a Tanner. Cows can't make this choice in a we can understand at least.
Douglas Adams morally safe meat. Cows breed to be smart enough to agree to be food. To the point they will just pop off and off them selves .... But don't worry it will be in a very humane way.... And don't forget to try my rump it's very juicy...
This is from the restaurant at the end of the universe btw
"How about a salad?"
"Oh, I know a few vegetables who'd object to that, Sir!"
Well in all seriousness, humans can consent and cows can't (or if they can, they have no unambiguous way to communicate this consent to humans), so human leather is more ethical.
And when it's the only way to keep their family from starving, for example, people will consent in droves, securing supply.
Sourcing leather from humans is always morally correct! You will get 50% off for bringing your whole family in!
Reminds me of a time in biology class
Q: What's a resource everyone has access to?
A:
WaterSkin.
We already kill cows to eat them. Wearing their skin is just using more of their material.
Except it's rarely the same cows
Yeah exactly. People dont realize that leather is a byproduct of the meat industry. Most of the cost is in tanning and preparing it.
So trust me, there is no shortage of skin to make leather
please build shelves
From the pov of a human or a cow?
Cow leather is more moral in my pov
Or is it about sourcing it from them after their natural death?
Even then cow leather seems more moral
What do you base that on? A cow can’t consent to this.
It's ethical i would say, since humans are an invasive species
Jokes like this make me uncomfortable :( there's legit eco fash positions like this. Invasive species rhetoric is bad applied to all species imho, because killing children for some sort of inherited sin seems unreasonable to me.
i forgot people actually think like this 💀
We do have to ask if Malthusians are really people...
I appreciate you calling out this kind of stuff. It seems like in this instance, OP was just joking, but I'm deeply nervous at how many people are genuinely believing and propagating eco-fascist rhetoric nowadays.
You have to be equal opportunity about it. If you start saying this kind but not that kind then it's just racism ingrouo outgroup bullshit.
Yes!
Depends if your pawns get rebuffs for wearing human skin clothes.
Gotta make it a tenet of your tribe’s religion.
I mean that’s a screenshot from Rimworld so ethical leather harvesting is a small thing compared to prisoner organ harvesting (Source I play too much Rimworld)
Hey like the chinese did to their political prisoners who wanted freedom!
You can do both at once >:) Step 1: Obtain prisoners Step 2: Harvest all organs that they can survive without, followed by the second lung or the hat Step 3: Chop up into snack size portions and enjoy your new hat materials.
Depends on the cow and the human.
If a cow is a dick and harming other cows, moral.
If the human lives a modest life and pursues charitable acts to make themself happy, immoral.
I feel like if a child with a similar level of cognition as the cow harms other children, most people will say they have no moral agency yet, and will still see harvesting their leather as immoral.
There are two ways to resolve that inconsistency...
Finally, humane child slaughter
Ask yourself what a cow ever did to you and compare the two
because of the meat industry, i think its more ethical to use leather than let it go to waste. it lasts a long time and can replace a lot of other textiles that would need to be replaced more.
Yeah, just like we should eat more meat. Meat is just a waste product of the leather industry! Eating meat helps stop climate change because then we dont need to eat plants that are mono culture that use up space of trees.
And the good thing is, when demand for (human) leather is higher than supply, people will just breed some more humans, keep them on farms, use their labor and sell their leather. With nothing going to waste, just the beautiful circle of life.
We've gotten quite efficient at doing that so there's plenty opportunity to have more jobs, make a profit and to provide a product at an affordable price point, at the same time, all with human leather farms. Just have to compromise on welfare and sustainability step by step for more profit, but humans are already really great at ignoring such things when it's advantageous to them, so most won't ask any pesky questions anyways. We just have to normalize human leather (from factory farms) and everything will be great.
People need to realize this more.
Its true, but on the flipside if you gave the meat industry less ways to recoup cost of "waste" then it may push meat prices higher and move people to plant based diets, thus removing need for amount of animals
If people have good tattoos, the skin the tattoo is on should be preserved at death and framed. For family to enjoy.
Didn't expect to meet Fukushi Masaichi here.
I think dead people don't need their skins. Maybe expand to prisoners, and maybe allow poor people sell their skins for example to fund their children's education etc.
During war times would be very good for the markets to allow skinning deceased soldiers or civilians, this would promote use of some chemical weapons that cause the enemy to asphyxiate or whatever in favour of terrible weapons that rip humans apart.
We could help to solve the issue with overpopulation in developing nations
Shit why haven't we thought of this before????
Human leather bound books!
Ah yes, I always make everything from both
Vegan leather. Not made out of vegans. Actually made out of polyurethane: oil: check, microplastics: check, disposable with a short usable life: check!
Leather also emits microplastic, it's just not a monomer we call "plastic" but its going in your balls too!
Assuming it's involuntary either way, cows.
There's no shortage of alternatives, though.
Seems a little fucked up.
But which is more fucked up?
Thoughts like this are likely how The Church of Euthanasia got started.
Yes