Yeah it was ChromeOS. It is sort of linux, but google is an advertising company. You can't ask them to not collect your data and recently they gave up pretending like they cared about user privacy.
Linux is none of that. Complete opposite.
If you compare it to linux side by side, chromeOS is basically the alternate reality evil twin with the goatee
installed Lubuntu 24 on it using a guide that loosely applied to the low end chromebook I have. Link here
Using chrome browser on ChromeOS was snappy but any other browser I used with addons was an awful and laggy experience. The difference in performance was an unexpected win, but I primarily did it to ditch SpywareOS.
Going forward I'm probably going to just look for chromebooks to convert to linux for a daily driver laptop because you dont have to pay a premium for the spyware like you do with a windows laptop
If you want to stay with Windows for whatever reason, even 11, I can recommend Revision Playbook. It locks your installation and scrapes out the crap like unwanted updates and features like AI bullshit, Edge, Telemetry and whatnot. You can even manually install Apps from the Store without the Store if you like to. Security patches and selective updates come only via manual download from MS catalogue in my case, but you can automate this too with some tools.
People want shiny new things. I've had relatives say stuff like "I bought this computer 2 years ago and it's getting slower, it's awful how you have to buy a new one so quickly." I suggest things to improve it, most of which are free or very cheap and I'd happily do for them. But they just go out and buy a brand new one because that's secretly what they wanted to do in the first place, they just don't want to admit they're that materialistic.
Appreciate the meme but yea that is one way to probably improve performance. Or upgrade the RAM, clean the fans, reapply thermal compound, clear out temporary files, disable unused services or reinstall Windows if they really need it just to run Chrome and Zoom which is all they do.
hardware isn't as impactful to performance as software imo, just getting rid of bloat services can improve the perceived performance for every day tasks a ton.
btw I don't really get why increasing the amount of ram is thought of as the first step by most normie consumers, if you have enough it's enough and even my 2gb machine runs everything fine
You'd be amazed at the startup and program opening time gains on older computers' when you change in the HDD that is stuck at read/write speeds of 5MB/s for a SSD
I have heard that Windows underclocks your CPU over time, to make you buy a new computer, and so Microsoft can get money from the new PC's preinstalled Windows license.
I have heard that Windows underclocks your CPU over time
I would say this is half true. Microsoft is known for pushing lots of software updates with unwanted features, so it’s probably that a computer will feel slower over time.
However that’s not an underclock it’s just that the CPU can’t keep up with that much bloatware.
People live in times of historic standstill. Society barely develops in a meaningful and hopeful way. Social relationships stagnate or decline. So they look for a feeling of progress and agency in participation in the market and consuming.
They don't realize this because they aren't materialistic enough, in a sense that they don't analyse their condition as a result of political and cultural configuration of their lives so that real agency seems unavailable
They're invested in PC gaming as social capital where the performance of your rig contributes to your social value. They're mad because you're not invested in the same way. People often get defensive when others don't care about the hobbies they care about because there's a false perception that the not caring implies what they care about is somehow less than, which feels insulting.
Don't yuck others' yum, but also don't expect everyone to yum the same thing.
Very well put! I'd also add that most people aren't even really conscious that that's the reason that they're mad. There's ways to express your negative opinion without stating it as a fact or downplaying the other person's taste.
Absolutely it totally depends on what you got originally. If you only got an okay ish PC in 2018 then it definitely still won't be fit for purpose in 2025, but if you got a good gaming PC in 2018 it probably will still work in another 5 years, although at that point you'll probably be on minimum settings for most new releases.
I would say 5 to 10 years is probably the lifespan of a gaming PC without an upgrade.
However my crappy work laptop needs replacing after just 3 years because it was rubbish to start with.
I want to talk about writing 2k7 instead of 2007. It does save a character, but I also had to read it 3 times to understand lol but that might be a me problem
Also: do you only do that for 2000-2009, or do you write 2k25?
Also, Also: hope this doesn't come across as rude. Ive never seen it written that way & find it interesting and a little funny.
Also, also, also: I think it's sweet you helped your mom upgrade her computer so she could play WoW more effectively.
And even then, a few strategic upgrades of key components could boost things again. New gfx card, a better SSD, more/faster RAM, any of those will do a lot.
I built an overkill PC in February 2016, it was rocking a GTX 980ti a little before the 1080 came out, and it was probably the best GPU out there, factory overclocked and water cooled by EVGA. My CPU was an i5-4690k, which was solidly mid range then, but I overclocked it myself from 3.5GHz to 5.3Ghz with no issue, and only stopped there because I was so suspicious of how well it was handling that massive increase. I had 2TB of SSD spaceand like 8TB of regular hard drives and 16GB of ram.
Because I have never needed to think about space, and so many of my parts were really overpowered for their generation, I have always been hesitant to upgrade. I don't play the newest games either, I still get max settings on Doom Eternal and Read Dead 2 which I forget are half a decade old. The only game where it's struggled in low settings is Baldurs Gate 3 unfortunately, which is made me realise it's ready to upgrade.
If not playing competitive, there's very little reason to go latest and greatest. Just buy something with software support, or use Linux where support is practically guaranteed for at least a decade
Linux is actually a problem area here, because various crucial libraries for running games have limited support for hardware that old. I tried for a long time to get it working with stuff from 2012, my problems disappeared after upgrading my cpu recently. Something with Vulkan compatibility I think.
Wine/proton is specifically what doesn't work, though most linux native games also did not work. Based on my experience with that I'm confident that everyone saying it just works for them has relatively new hardware.
It is a 3060 but I confirmed this is not a GPU or driver issue because replacing the CPU/mobo fixed it. Had the same issues with an older card also, upgrading it didn't help, nothing I did with graphics drivers helped.
That is only really a problem for CPUs one would consider today as ancient like a Pentium 3 from 1999 because it doesn't have e.g. SSE2 support which Wine (and afaik Vulkan) needs. Everything after that should work without any problems.
With older or slower CPUs performance may suffer, of course, but that is not a compatibility question.
Then it was an software problem. It can't be the CPU. unless you were using something very old. maybe the problem got solved when you reinstalled the system after you got your new CPU.
maybe the problem got solved when you reinstalled the system after you got your new CPU.
I didn't reinstall the OS after getting the new CPU, but had done so multiple times before that.
It can’t be the CPU. unless you were using something very old.
You're welcome to elaborate on your reasoning for this but I get the impression you haven't tested it yourself, and I am saying, based on my experience, that you are wrong about it. Why exactly you're wrong, I don't know, but it's wrong.
My point is this: someone with 10+ year old hardware should not be expecting to be able to run most games on linux because it likely won't work. Something like that is the cutoff, not 20+ years. If you're not yourself playing games on such a system you shouldn't be advising people otherwise, because you don't know.
You were claiming that some libraries had limited support for CPUs from 2012, which is simple said absolute and utter nonsense.
You are also trying to pin Vulcan problems on CPUs. Which is nonsense as well, since Vulkan has absolutely nothing to do with CPUs since it is a graphics API using the GPU. The only thing that may be is that you were using the integrated GPU built in your CPU, which was not compatible with Vulkan instead of using your dedicated GPU.
In that case, it could explain why changing the CPU fixed the problem, but it was actually never a problem of the CPU itself but a configuration error on your part.
And as said, Wine will run on absolutely anything that came after a Pentium III, so it is very much impossible that your CPU that was from 2012 could not run Wine. But it would be of course very helpful if you would actually tell us what CPU you had.
And yes, i tested it. My old CPU was a Phenom 2 from 2010 and Wine ran just fine with it and still does . And i very clearly gave you the reason in my first post. Which is Wine requiring SSE2.
Man, i even can play some older games with Wine on my Dell XPS M1330 Laptop which came out in 2007. That thing runs an ancient Dual-Core. This needs some tinkering though.
You were claiming that some libraries had limited support for CPUs from 2012, which is simple said absolute and utter nonsense.
You are also trying to pin Vulcan problems on CPUs. Which is nonsense as well
Well ok, I apologize as that was bullshit, that stuff in particular I'm less confident about and is mostly just a guess based on vague memories. I also have an older laptop from the same era with linux that also won't run games, and now that I think about it I might have been getting things mixed up with that re the Vulkan errors, where that laptop also has an older graphics card.
What isn't a guess is that I tried many things over the years with the idea that it could be a software issue, most games did not work with errors, until the CPU upgrade after which games I've tried work with steam/proton. The specific cause is unknown to me. But since I spent so much time on it, and because I had similar issues with that other laptop I mentioned, I feel confident this is a general problem of older hardware and Linux gaming.
But it would be of course very helpful if you would actually tell us what CPU you had.
I still have it somewhere, I will check. It says AMD Athlon X4, and that it's from 2011.
Wine ran just fine with it and still does . And i very clearly gave you the reason in my first post. Which is Wine requiring SSE2.
First of all, I'm saying there's problems running most games, especially modern games, not that Wine doesn't run at all, it did. I was mostly trying with proton/lutris since Wine by itself needs more tinkering. Second, it's flawed logic to point to a compatibility issue that exists with very old hardware and say that because that particular compatibility issue would not apply, that no issue can exist. A case that no issue exists would need way more than that. How can you be sure that there are no dependencies in the software used to make games compatible, on CPU features introduced more recently?
some older games with ... some tinkering
This being possible has of course been the case for a very long time. What hasn't is, a large portion of modern games being playable on linux with minimal tinkering, which is a recent development. But I did not have that experience, until I got new hardware, and I think that's also how it would go for other people.
The computer I built in 2011 lasted until last summer. I smiled widely when I came to tell my wife and my friend, where my friend then asked why I was smiling when my computer no longer worked.
"Because now he can buy a new one" my wife quickly replied 😁
I'm rocking a Ryzen 2700x since 2018, or early 2019, and it's still working like a champ. Granted Cities Skylines 2 is a bit much for it but I've been playing Baulders Gate and Helldivers with about a 100 fps average.
5700x,5700x3d may be an upgrade path with your existing mobo. They were $100-190 a month ago.
How big was your city when you noticed performance issues? I'm near or at 100k on 5700x3d and can play at 3x speed smoothly. When I had a 2700x I noticed lag a lot quicker than 100k but that was much nearer to launch.
Mine is from 2011 and still going strong. It had some upgrades like extra ram, ssd and a new gpu a couple of years ago and I had to replace the front fan. It starts making a horrible noise about 4 hours into a gaming session with a graphically demanding game, but apart from that it runs perfectly fine. I don't really play demanding games usually so I don't really care. When it finally dies, I might just swap out the motherboard and cpu and keep the rest. It's my personal ship of Theseus.
One upside of AAA games turning into unimaginative shameless cash-grabs is that the biggest reason to upgrade is now gone. My computer is around 8 years old now. I still play games, including new games - but not the latest fancy massively marketed online rubbish games. (I bet there's a funner backronym, but this is good enough for now.)
We reached the physical limits of silicon transistors. Speed is determined by transistor size (to a first approximation) and we just can't make them any smaller without running into problems we're essentially unable to solve thanks to physics. The next time computers get faster will involve some sort of fundamental material or architecture change. We've actually made fundamental changes to chip design a couple of times already, but they were "hidden" by the smooth improvement in speed/power/efficiency that they slotted into at the time.
My 4 year old work laptop had a quad core CPU. The replacement laptop issued to me this year has a 20-core cpu. The architecture change has already happened.
I'm not sure that's really the sort of architectural change that was intended. It's not fundamentally altering the chips in a way that makes them more powerful, just packing more in the system to raise its overall capabilities. It's like claiming you had found a new way to make a bulletproof vest twice as effective, by doubling the thickness of the material, when I think the original comment is talking about something more akin to something like finding a new base material or altering the weave/physical construction to make it weigh less, while providing the same stopping power, which is quite a different challenge.
Except the 20 core laptop I have draws the same wattage as the previous one, so to go back to your bulletproof vest analogy, it's like doubling the stopping power by adding more plates, except the all the new plates weigh the same as and take up the same space as all the old plates.
A lot of the efficiency gains in the last few years are from better chip design in the sense that they're improving their on-chip algorithms and improving how to CPU decides to cut power to various components. The easy example is to look at how much more power efficient an ARM-based processor is compared to an equivalent x86-based processor. The fundamental set of processes designed into the chip are based on those instruction set standards (ARM vs x86) and that in and of itself contributes to power efficiency. I believe RISC-V is also supposed to be a more efficient instruction set.
Since the speed of the processor is limited by how far the electrons have to travel, miniaturization is really the key to single-core processor speed. There has still been some recent success in miniaturizing the chip's physical components, but not much. The current generation of CPUs have to deal with errors caused by quantum tunneling, and the smaller you make them, the worse it gets. It's been a while since I've learned about chip design, but I do know that we'll have to make a fundamental chip "construction" change if we want faster single-core speeds. E.G. at one point, power was delivered to the chip components on the same plane as the chip itself, but that was running into density and power (thermal?) limits, so someone invented backside power delivery and chips kept on getting smaller. These days, the smallest features on a chip are maybe 4 dozen atoms wide.
I should also say, there's not the same kind of pressure to get single-core speeds higher and higher like there used to be. These days, pretty much any chip can run fast enough to handle most users' needs without issue. There's only so many operations per second needed to run a web browser.
Also... There were significant improvements with intel Sandy bridge (2xxx series) and parent is using an equivalent to that. Sandy+ (op seems to be haswell or ivy bridge) is truly the mark of -does everything-.... I've only bothered to upgrade because of CPU hungry sim games that eat cores.
besides that linux just doesn't support my hardware, in all the distros in all the kernels heck even live arch iso there is this weird issue where the pc randomly freezes with those weird screen glitches randomly and the only option to make it work again is force hard reboot
Yeah, I'm with you anon. Here's my rough upgrade path (dates are approximate):
2009 - built PC w/o GPU for $500, only onboard graphics; worked fine for Minecraft and Factorio
2014 - added GPU to play newer games (~$250)
2017 - build new PC (~$800; kept old GPU) because I need to compile stuff (WFH gig); old PC becomes NAS
2023 - new CPU, mobo, and GPU (~$600) because NAS uses way too much power since I'm now running it 24/7, and it's just as expensive to upgrade the NAS as to upgrade the PC and downcycle
So for ~$2200, I got a PC for ~15 years and a NAS (drive costs excluded) for ~7 years. That's less than most prebuilts, and similar to buying a console each gen. If I didn't have a NAS, the 2023 upgrade wouldn't have had a mobo, so it would've been $400 (just CPU and GPU), and the CPU would've been an extreme luxury (1700 -> 5600 is nice for sim games, but hardly necessary). I'm not planning any upgrades for a few years.
Yeah it's not top of the line, but I can play every game I want to on medium or high. Current specs: Ryzen 5600, RX 6650 XT, 16GB RAM.
People say PC gaming is expensive. I say hobbies are expensive, PC gaming can be inexpensive. This is ~$150/year, that's pretty affordable... And honestly, I could be running that OG PC from 2009 with just a second GPU upgrade for grand total of $800 over 15 years if all I wanted was to play games.
Almost exact same timeline, prices and specs here. Just went with the RX6600 instead after hardware became somewhat affordable again after crypto hype and COVID. Always bought the mid-lowend stuff of the then actual hardware, if upgraded wanted/needed. It's good to read of non-highend stuff all the time though.
I only got the 6650 because it was on sale for $200 or something, I was actually looking for the 6600 but couldn't find a reasonable deal.
I make enough now that I don't need to be stingy on hardware, but I honestly don't max the hardware I have so it just seems wasteful. I probably won't upgrade until either my NAS dies or the next AMD socket comes out (or there's a really good deal). I don't care about RTX, VR kinda sucks on Linux AFAIK, and I think newer AAA games kinda suck.
I'll upgrade if I can't play something, but my midrange system is still fine. I'm expecting no upgrades for 3-5 more years.
I thought anon was the normie? The average person doesnt upgrade their PC every two years. The average person buys a PC and replaced it when nothing works anymore. Anon is the normie, they are the enthusiasts. Anon is not hanging with a group of people with matching ideologies.
The word is incredibly vague and fails to reflect the diversity of viewpoints and opinions. Everyone has their own perception of what is most common, so the definition varies wildly.
yeah but i feel like that's the perfect encapsulation of the meaning though, extrapolating it to anything else would ruin it's meaning... Wait now this is just the opposite argument.
The point that the thread OP is trying to make that a "normie" is someone who is not considered as passionate about a subject as, say, an enthusiast. So naturally, they will not be as prone to spend money and replace their gear very often.
That's where I was a couple years ago. Originally, I had an R9 290. Amazing card circa 2014, but its 4 GB of VRAM aged it pretty badly by 2020. Now I've got a 4070, which is way more than good enough for the 1080p60 that I run at. I'll upgrade the rest of the PC to match the GPU a little better in the future, but for right now, I don't need to. Except maybe for Stellaris.
But I just ripped a bunch of my old PS2 games to my PC because I felt like revisiting them. And my PS2 is toast. RIP, old friend. :(
I upgraded last year from i7-4700k to i7-12700k and from GTX 750Ti to RTX 3060Ti, because 8 threads and 2GB of vram was finally not enough for modern games. And my old machine still runs as a home server.
The jump was huge and I hope I'll have money to upgrade sooner this time, but if needed I can totally see that my current machine will work just fine in 6-8 years.
Undervolting (when done correctly) won't damage PC parts.
Yes, it reduces the voltage supplied to the components but CPUs and GPUs are designed to operate within a specific voltage range and you keep the voltage within this range. Even if you reduce the voltage below the recommended range, the system may become unstable but this doesn't cause damage – it simply results in crashes.
I have a undervolt curve on my GPU and I get about 2-3% better performance for 90% of the tdp.
It's because consumer GPUs try to max out their TDP pretty much at any cost with no individual refinement. Undervolting is pretty much tailoring a power profile to the silicon lottery.
I think you're totally right for a load that needs a certain amount of power. But a CPU just needs to be able to flip transistor gates fast enough. They don't draw more current at lower voltage, so the lower the voltage, the lower the power. At some point, too low of a voltage won't let them flip fast enough for a given clock speed (or, eventually, flip at all)
My current PC used for gaming is a self built one from 2014. I have upgraded a few things during the years, most notably GPU and memory, but it did an excellent job for over a decade.
Recently it started to show its age with various weird glitches and also some performance issues in several newer games and so I've just ordered a new one. But I'm pretty proud of my sustainable computing achievement.
Phones suffer a lot from forced obsolescence. More often than not, the hardware is fine, but the OEM abandons it because "lol fuck you, buy new shit". Anyone that says that a Samsung S7 "can't handle current apps" is out of their mind
Other than camera and software, there's hardly any reason to buy new phones over flagships from some years ago.
This. My mobile is over 6 years old. Security updates till 2022, but I don't even mind sec updates. What concerns me more is buy-a-new-phone-every-year-because-reasons, because buy new shit and spybloatware. Skynet is the virus. My old one runs perfectly fine and I buy a new one if it is broken. Even critical apps like banking doing fine. It's not like the whole architecture of the OS changes yearly, right?
Similar story. The only upgrades I made to my 2014 desktop were a 1TB SSD and a used RTX2070 to play BG3 in 2023. I don’t care much for the latest multiplayer shoot em ups with simulated leg hair growth, but I can play most other titles from the past year at the highest graphical settings.
My old builds go to the wife and her old PCs upgrade my NAS. By the time I'm done using the hardware it's 10-12 years old. Wife only plays sims anyways. 2080 super is her upgrade to an AM4 3900x and 64gb of ram and 2) 2TB nvme drives. She will get plenty of life from that and then in 5 years, get my current rig. Cycle continues.
Like as in upgrading a component everyone few years? Sure.
Updating the entire rig everything few years? For the average user, very little point. It used to be you literally had to, to play them newest games. Around 00's I'd say. Games are way more backward compatible nowadays. I had a rig from 2012, to which I updated GPU to a 1060 6gb in 2016. Now I updated the entire rig last year, except for the GPU, which I plan to updated in a few months when 5070/5060ti comes out.
For the average gamer I don't think there's really much need to update more than every five years and that's still being pretty fresh. I can still play on the 1060, even Marvels runs although... eh. My GPU is clearly the bottleneck currently.
With a 5060/5070 I hope to manage till 2030 at least.
I've never had a desktop PC. I have always wanted to build one but never had the money/time for it. I've been using the same laptop since 2016 until it recently started breaking (mostly due to toddlers). I casually mentioned this to a friend and they offered me their kids old PC for free. It was some 4th gen i3 with a 1050ti so pretty old spec. I've uograded with a ssd, a i7 4790k and 980ti all for around $130. It is pretty decent for gaming and ive never had a game run poorly as of yet. Very happy with my 10 year old hardware!
I originally built my current PC back in 2016 and only just "upgraded" it last year. I put upgrade in quotes because it was literally a free motherboard and GPU my buddy no longer needed. I went from a Core i5 6600K to a Ryzen 5 5500GT and a GTX960 4GB to a GTX1070. Still plays all the games I want it to, so I have no desire to upgrade it further right now. I think part of it is I'm still using 1080P 60Hz monitors.
I was running one from 2011 up until 2 years ago when I finally hit a wall in a game I was trying to play and had to upgrade the processor (which meant a new motherboard, which meant new everything). Prior to that I had only upgraded the GPU a couple years prior which i really didn't need but it was a present to myself and I was able to give the old one to my brother. By the time this one is outdated I might not even be interested in computers anymore with the way things are going with technology.
Still on a 1060 here. Sure, it's too slow for anything from the PS5 era, but that's what my PS5 is for.
It does have a 1 in 4 chance of bluescreening when I quit FFXIV, but I don't know what's causing that. Running it at 100% doesn't seem to crash it, possibly something about the drivers not freeing shit properly, I dunno.
I showed this to my penultimate daughter, who coopted my (literal 2014) Dell PC, the only thing I'd ever done to it was add memory, it is a beast still. Said "look, your 4chan twin" and she cracked up. But if she does not steal it when she moves out I will probably be able to get ten more years out of it.
if you had a top of the line pc in 2014 you'd be talking about a 290x/970/980 which would probably work really well for most games now. For CPU that'd be like a 4th gen intel or AMD Bulldozer which despite its terrible reputation probably runs better nowadays thanks to better multi-threading.
A lot of the trending tech inflating minimum requirements nowadays are stuff like raytracing (99% of games don't even need it) and higher FPS/resolution monitors that aren't that relevant if you're still pushing 1080p/60. Let's not even begin with Windows playing forced obsolescence every few years.
Hell, most games that push the envelope of minimum specs like Indiana Jones are IMO just unoptimised messes built on UE5 than legitimately out of scope of hardware from the last decade. Stuff like Ninite hasn't delivered in enabling photorealistic asset optimisation but HAS enabled studios to cut back on artist labour in favour of throwing money at marketing.
Maybe it's just my CPU or something wrong with my setup, but i feel like new games (especially ones that run on Unreal Engine 5) really kick my computers ass at 1440p. Just got the 7900xtx last year and using a ryzen 9 3900xt i got from 2020 for reference. I remember getting new cards like 10 years ago and being able to crank the settings up to max with no worries, but nowadays I feel I gotta worry about lowering settings or having to resort to using upscaling or frame generation.
Games dont feel very optimized anymore, so I can see why people might be upgrading more frequently thinking it's just their pc being weak. I miss the days where we could just play games in native resolution.
This is on purpose. Game studios decided that instead of bothering with all sorts of complex graphics hacks to get games to run fast they can just crank ray tracing and use temporal anti-aliasing. The result being that you need one of the latest generation cards to run these games at all since they don't degrade gracefully to lower specs.
Until very recently I was still running a 1080, which runs pretty much any game (even recent ones) at high graphics settings. As soon as a game uses ray tracing or temporal anti-aliasing it won't even run at the lowest potato settings possible.
The invincible should notlook like this at <15fps and be a blurry mess when moving on minimum settings while halo infinite looks way better while rendering way more things on the same machine at high settings at 60fps.
I still have my 2014 machine. I've upgraded it with an M.2 drive and more RAM. Everything else is perfectly fine and I wouldn't see the difference with a newer machine. I'll keep it for a long as I can because the longer I wait the better the machine I replace it with will be.
Also I just wouldn't know what to do with it after. I can't bring myself to throwing away a perfectly good machine, but keeping it would be hoarding.
I built a PC in 2011 with an AMD Phenom II. Can't remember which one, it may have been a 740. And I'm pretty sure a Radeon HD 5450 until FO4 came out in 2015 and I needed a new graphics card. Upgraded to a Radeon R7 240, and some other AM3 socketed CPU I found for like, $40 on eBay. By no means was I high end gaming over here. And it stayed that way until 2020, when I finally gutted the whole thing and started over. It ran everything I wanted to play. So I got like, 9 years out of about $600 in parts. That's including disc drives, power supply, case, and RAM. And I'm still using the case. I got my money's worth out of it, for sure. The whole time we were in our apartment, it was hooked up to our dumb TV. So, it was our only source of Netflix, YouTube, DVDs, and Blu-rays. It was running all the time. Then, I gave all the innards to my buddy to make his dad a PC for web browsing. It could still be going in some form, as far as I know.
I remember the 5450! I got one when wrath of the lich king dropped because my Dell integrated graphics couldn't handle strand of the ancients. That baby got me from 2 FPS to 15. Served me until I left for school.
I barely remember it, which is think is a compliment because it just worked! Never had any driver issues or temperature problems, didn't demand too much power. It just did its job until I needed something more.
i just upgraded this year, to an r9 5900x, from my old r5 2600, still running a 1070 though.
I do video editing and more generally CPU intensive stuff on the side, as well as a lot of multitasking, so it's worth the money, in the long run at least.
I also mostly play minecraft, and factorio, so.
ryzen 5000 is a great upgrade path for those who don't want to buy into am5 yet. Very affordable. 7000 is not worth the money, unless you get a good deal, same for 9000, though you could justify it with a new motherboard and ram.
i would've bought a 5800x, but the prices for the 5800x were crazy, so i just bit the bullet and spent more money on the 5900x as it was a better value, and admittedly, probably more useful to me, especially moving into the future.
5000 series was a flagship line up for ryzen i think, just before AMD started really killing intel in performance, and also before they started chasing performance so hard. It has great power efficiency, and even better performance. It truly is the chip of the era. Especially with the x3d series for people who want more cache.
i imagine whatever comes after 9000 series might be a more worthwhile upgrade for you, unless like me you like to wait for things to become more cost effective as it falls a few generations behind. That's another great strategy as well. I also tend to find that anything less than 3 generations between CPU upgrades and you're close to the "this isn't really worth it" line. 2 gens might be, it might not be also though.
I'm the one person who people go to for PC part advice, but I actually try to talk them down. Like, do you need more RAM because your experience is negatively impacted by not having enough, or do you just think you should have more just because?
Ha, I had this exact conversation with a friend of mine a few days ago, he wants to upgrade from 16GB to 32GB and when I asked why, he just blanked out for a while and went "...because more is better, right?"
He spends most of his time playing rpg maker porn games and raid shadow legend, also really taxing that RTX 3070 he bought right in the middle of the pandemic.
Upgrading my ryzen 7 1700 and GTX 1080 for a 5800X3D and RX 7900 XT this weekend. Waiting for the CPU but it's cool to be able to go from first to last Gen that this motherboard can support
I know but if you had a Ryzen 1000 you could eventually upgrade to a Ryzen 5000. For example, I started with a 1600 that I then upgraded to a 3600 and finally a 5600.
2080ti came out in late 2018 and is only 2 generations old. The 7700k came out in early 2017 so it's a bit older and I doubt you get actually "decent" fps in 4k or VR. Decent being 60+ at least.
Yup, I did say I upgraded the GFX card and CPU.
And it depends on what games, not much of an fps fan, so yeah, most things I play are great, and yes, even VR. But you don't need to believe me, it's of no consequence.
Why would being an "fps fan" have anything to do with the performance of your system being decent or not? There are plenty of demanding games that aren't shooters.
Lol, this feels like exactly what the original greentext was saying. I posted them under a different comment, I also didn't say I was playing everything on high. Playing HL Alyx on medium rn. Sure, not as crisp an experience, but still really good.
Only stopped using my Bulldozer-era box because it started crashing and freezing. And a BIOS fix Asus support suggested nuked my board. I had the thing maxed out... 12 SSDs in soft RAID, GTX570s in SLI. It was a monster. I still have most of the parts and I'm sure it would run a lot of stuff just fine at the cost of heat and noise :]
I think the word would be swap. I thought you put the sticks in different ports every once in a while and thought "does that help it last longer?" for a second.
The experience of playing modern games on a modern AAA "high end" PC is obviously going to be better if you care about things like ray-tracing and high framerates or resolution. You can't really dispute that.
But it would be stupid to say you're wrong if you just want to play that same game on your system if it actually runs. If the game is playable and you're having fun, you're doing it correctly.
I only upgrade when I start to see multiple games a year that just straight up don't work on my computer.
It's easy to go too far in either direction instead of just doing what fits your needs (which in fairness, can sometimes be difficult to precisely pin down). Blindly going "it's old, I need to upgrade" or "it still runs, it's not worth upgrading" will sometimes be right but it's not exactly tailored advice.
Someone I know was holding out for ages on a 4790K (2014), and upgraded a year or two ago to a then-current-gen system and said the difference it made to their workflow was huge - enough that they actually used that experience to tell their boss at work that the work systems (similar to what they had had themselves) should get upgraded.
At the end of 2022 I had had my current monitor(s) for about 10 years and had spent years of hearing everyone saying "wow upgrading my monitor was huge", saying that either 1440p was such an upgrade over 1080p and/or that high refresh rate (120+Hz) was such an upgrade over 60Hz. I am (or at least was in the past) a pretty competitive player in games so you'd think I'd be a prime candidate for it, but after swapping from a 60Hz 1200p screen to a 144Hz 1440p screen for my primary monitor I... honestly could barely notice the difference in games (yes, the higher refresh rate is definitely enabled, and ironically I can tell the difference easily outside of games lol).
I'm sensitive to input latency, so I can (or at least could, don't know if I still can) easily tell the difference between the responsiveness of ~90 FPS and ~150 FPS in games, so it's extra ironic that pumping the refresh rate of the screen itself didn't do much for me.
I'll do you onetwo better: my computer's from 2012. I can play even modern games on high settings sometimes. It wasn't even a high specced one at the time. I think I put about $1200 into the actual components AND monitor/keyboard.
Everyone's different. Maybe for you playing a game on "high settings" in 1080p@30 is enough but others might prefer 4k@60 or 1440p@100 or more fps. Also, define "modern".
That CPU started as a development Linux workstation, then as Windows gaming rig, then served couple of years as unRaid server and now runs a Windows 10 workstation for my mother in law. Still fast enough for everyday use.
My i7-920 lasted a lot longer than I ever thought it would. I still have it but i don't need the power anymore since I don't have time to PC game. Actually it was in a P6T v2 and I think I replaced it with a xeon processor.
What sorta stuff do you play? I built an i5 2500k system a couple years back (2020-ish) and it struggled a fair bit, but was on the cusp of 1080p60 in the few games I tested like Fortnite, f1-2019, Warzone etc.
I just don't play online games, never have.
I can play pretty much any single player/coop game at medium/1080. Maybe most recent titles like Elden ring would struggle, but I have hundreds of games in my library and they all work fine.
I even made a small VR project with it although every manufacturers said it wouldn't work. The GPU is a 1060.
Overall, I've spent around 600$ on this computer, over 15 years and it still a perfectly capable PC. I have another PC and Macbook for work, but the i5 has been our streaming/gaming pc for years.
IDK I have 200+ games and they all work. In terms of AAA I played all the recent Fallout, Doom, Tomb Raider and many others. I even played Hellblade in VR. Definitely good enough for me.
I've upgraded pretty much everything in my 2009 PC and only just finally bought a new CPU. I just need a new case.for everything. The last straws were Elden Ring being CPU bottle necked at 20 FPS and Helldivers 2 requiring some instruction that wasn't on my CPU.
I recently repurposed a xeon CPU/motherboard from 2012 to run my Proxmox server. Bought a rack mount case, noctua fans, new ram, cpu cooler, and gavie it a good thorough cleaning. Not blazing fast, but does the job.
I had an i5-2500k from when they came out (I think 2011? Around that era) until 2020 - overclocked to 4.5Ghz, ran solid the whole time. Upgraded graphics card, drives, memory, etc. but that was incremental as needed. Now on an i7-10700k. The other PC has been sat on the side and may become my daughters or wife's at some point.
I just installed Linux on my old 2500k @ 4.5GHz system a few days ago! I haven’t actually done much with it yet because I also upgraded the OS on a newer system that is taking over server responsibilities. But you are correct on the year with 2011. I built mine to coincide with the original release of Skyrim.
The install went quickly (Linux Mint, so as expected) and the resulting system is snappy yet full featured. It’s ready for another decade of use. Maybe it will be a starter desktop to start teaching my second grader with it. (Educational stuff as well as trying a mouse for games compared with a controller)
I got screwed over with the motherboard, as it had to go back because of bimetallic contracts in the SATA ports that could wear out and stop it working so there was a big recall of all the boards... Was an amazing system though and if I hadn't seen the computer I'm currently running for an absolute steal, I'd probably still be running it with a 3060 as a pretty potent machine still.
Of course, then I'd never have the experience of just HOW FAST NVME IS! :-D
I was rocking a i7-4790k and a GTX970 until about 2 years ago, now I'm rocking a i5-10400F and one of Nvidia's chip shortage era RTX2060s. My wife is still on a i5-4560 (by memory) and a RX560 and that's really getting long in the tooth with only 4 threads and the budget GPU doesn't help matters much.
Later this year when Windows 10 gets closer to EOL I figure I'll refresh her machine and upgrade the SSD in mine
What generation? People keep saying AMD is worthless for RT but that's really only true compared to the rtx4000 series and games like cyberpunk.
Games with RT that I've played on AMD that ran well compared to Nvidia (because it's still a performance hog) are metro Exodus enhanced and avatar frontiers of Pandora.
I thoroughly dislike upscaling and fake frames though, so other than games like that it's not for me even if I had a 4080 super instead or the 7900xtx
I'm comparing my 6900xt to a 3080 which are the comparable models.
From the beginning I've been talking about my setup, ray tracing and the fact that the lower performance comes from me choosing an AMD setup at the time, I don't care what the next gen performance was, it wasn't available, I don't care what the previous gen performance was, it wasn't part of the choices when I built my rig.
A 50% bump in performance is pretty major, especially from 40 to 60 FPS.
My 2008 librebooted t440p thinkpad
Says hold my beer.
Browses the web like its a 2025 desktop
Its amazing
Except for the compile times (it runs gentoo :D)
Yea, for general computing a lot of older PCs are very manageable. I have an old 2008 unibody MacBook laying around that I had to use for a little while a few months ago and it was perfectly usable on mint. Even felt a lot better than a lot of newer machines since apple built them like tanks and their trackpads back then were so ahead of their time they easily beat out a lot of brand new machines.
I genuinely dont understand this. On time my friend bought an rtx 3060 (was using rx580).
I asked "oh cool, whay new games are you gonna play?". She said "none, I'm just gonna play the same ones". I asked "what was wrong with the old card?" And she said "idk just felt like I need a new one." We play games like tf2...
I just don't get this type of behaviour. She also has like 14 pairs of sneakers.
I was with them until my girlfriend gifted me a 180Hz monitor last year and now I can't deal with less than 90 FPS so I had to finally upgrade my RX580 (I just found out it stopped getting driver updates in January 2024 so I guess it was about time). High refresh rates ruin you.
Yeah I'm daily-ing a laptop from 2019 with an i7-9750, a GTX1650, and 16 gb of RAM. No upgrades except storage. The GPU is the only thing that sometimes makes me go "hm."
I'm daily driving a laptop with i7 9750h and 1660ti. Unfortunately I had to convert it to desk only as battery is dead and removed, and touch pad seems to have also broke. Still CPU and GPU work fine. I still wonder if I will upgrade and if I can afford it ever anymore. I bought this laptop for 800 new. Idk, I want a framework just because of repairable nature but I would need to spend close to 2k to match the current 64GB RAM and 2TB of storage.
My old guy's battery is still fine (for reference, fine means about 2-4 hours of screen time, which is about the same as new) but that's only because I keep it locked to 60% and use it as a desktop. I also would want to upgrade to a framework but god they're pricey. Especially the dGPU ones.
this is what I used to get, between 2-5 hours depending on how light to work and strict the power restrictions are. yes I wish to get the framework 16 with dGPU, I really need to save so much cash, so pricey. its the only laptop worth its cost though. so capable and I love the idea that I can baby it(with the usual repairs like battery and keyboard/trackpad) and the internals can be shelved or repurposed.
my friend got one before me. Imagine how jealous I am and gushing in fanboy-ish enthusiasm.
I built my current rig like a month before the COVID lockdowns. Still runs everything on high/ultra even without DLSS (because my 1660 Super is too old to have it) or FSR (in fact, turning FSR on usually makes things worse).
Really, the only game recently released that hasn't given me full 60FPS@1080p consistently is Starfield. But it does run, it runs at 30-40 most of the time and can get 60 in interior cells and I never had it crash on me the whole way through my one, solitary playthrough. Which says a lot considering the track record of stability and performance of Bethesda's games and the fact that my hardware isn't even supported; it's technically below the minimum requirements.
I'm still using the i7 I built up back in 2017 or so... Upgraded to SSD some years ago, will be upping the ram to 64gigs (max the mb can handle) in a few days when it arrives...
there is no way in hell a 2014 computer is able to run modern games on medium settings at all, let alone running well. my four year old computer (Ryzen 5 4000, GTX 1650, 16 GB RAM) can barely get 30-40 fps on most modern games at 1080p even on the absolute lowest settings. don't get me wrong, it should still work fine. however, almost no modern games are optimized at all and the "low" settings are all super fucking high now, so anon is lying out of his ass.
It says the story took place in 2020. And that it played "Most games" on medium settings. 30-40 fps is playable to a lot of people. I'm inclined to believe them.
My $90US AWOW mini with Celeron J4125, 8 gigs of shared memory, 128gig SSD seems to run FreeDoom as good as any of the other potatos them GamerBoi fancy water cooled custom boxes have.........
I've been rocking a 1080ti since launch. Upgraded my 4th gen i7 to a 9th gen i9 on a sale a few years back. SSD upgraded when I got some that were going to be recycled.
Eventually I want to move to team red for linux compatibility. Other than that, I am sticking with what I have. (Doesn't help that I have 2 small children that all my money goes to. )
My current PC is an asus rog with a gtx 1070 (and a piece of shit screen that gets all fucky if it heats) that I bought used, back in late 2019. The old hard drive failed some time ago and I had to change it, sometimes the main SSD seems to get strangely fucky (BSODs followed by disk scans), too, as does the memory (BSODs about "corrupted_page_memory", also complete freezes under Linux Mint, not even ctrl alt F1 worked), which makes me think the components aren't exactly high quality (considering how shitty the screen is and asus in general in the past years, that's no surprise)
Still, I fully intend to keep this bad boy as my main workhorse for at least another 2 years, possibly longer. After that, I'll probably relegate it to being the party game machine.
I usually wanted to upgrade my old PC (GTX970) 2 years ago, ended up buying a cheaper PS5 and a used MacBook for cheaper than the PC upgrade. PC still runs fine, is still in use. Also: the M1 MacBook Air is an emulation beast.
The hw might've been cheaper but a console will end up being more expensive than a pc in the long run. Not to mention that the only input method available is a controller. There are quite a few games I would only olay with a kb+mouse so, for some people, a console is not even an option.
If you don’t play online and have the patience to wait until you can get games used or deals, consoles can still be worth it.
I’m a PC gamer but the only games that I play online are in the realm of Minecraft, FallGuys, Raft or Stardew Valley which would run on almost any machine. I also don’t really play shooters or strategy games so there’s basically nothing I‘d need a mouse n keyboard for either.
I have even thought about just getting a PS or XBOX but I ended up upgrading my PC a little to near PS5 performance with a used cheap 5700xt for a little more than half the price of a new PS5. But if you can’t do that and would have to build sth from scratch, keeping your old PC and getting a console might be worth it. Even more so, now that you can get good deals on used current gen consoles.
My way of thinking it is that I'll always have a pc (gaming or otherwise) so I much prefer to add the extra cash to upgrade that rather than buy a console. My point being that I never pay the "full price" of the pc because I would spend at least half as much buying a "basic" computer.
Regarding used current gen consoles, that depends on where you live. In my country, for example, a used ps5 costs about 700 vs 800 new. It really doesn't make any sense.
Yea, a used PS5 disc edition here is like 400€ vs 500€ new. It’s not a huge difference but it’s noticeable. For 400€ you probably won’t get a decent gaming PC, let alone one that can match a PS5.
And what you’re saying is fair, if you start from scratch. 500€ PC + 500€ Console might as well be a 1000€ PC. However, if you already have a 10 year old PC (like GTX 970 class or similar), upgrading that to current gen spec isn’t gonna work but it’s still fine for a lot of older and less demanding games and for day to day stuff anyways. Makes replacing it a much harder sell, since you’ll be lucky to get 200€ back if you sold the old machine.
Not saying that this makes sense for everyone. I myself would rather scavenge used part deals on the web but that’s not viable for people without the technical knowledge.
since you’ll be lucky to get 200€ back if you sold the old machine.
Which is partly why I upgrade at least 1 component every 1.5/2 years. You can still sell the old part for a decent price. But, like you said, it's not for everyone. Some people might prefer to buy a console and use it until it's completely obsolete.
I could say I still run my 2014 (or 15, I don't remember) PC, but it's Ship of Theseus'd at this point, the only OG parts left are the CPU, PSU, case, and mobo.
Same, same. Except I don't really play games, but use the computer for other hobbies. It's still plenty fast and does everything I need it to do. So why buy something that does exactly the same, just is newer and looks different?
When talking about hardware, if it works for you keep using it till it doesn't work. But when talking about desktop operating systems, you should be aware when it loses security updates support and try to upgrade to different one that works for you but has better security updates.
My PC is still largely the same, in general spirit, as when I built it (c 2014-2015). But I have had to upgrade some key components over time. First was the move from a 1TB WD Blue HDD to a Samsung 860 Pro 128GB SSD (for my OS's drive), and, related to that, at some point soon after, I moved my games drive from an HDD to an SSD. Next, I upgraded my GPU from an Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 to a Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080. This build state lasted a decently long time until I switched from Windows to Linux, so I switched my Nvidia GPU to an AMD Radeon RX 6600 (not exactly an upgrade, but more of a side-grade) to improve the user experience. The most recent change (last year, iirc?) was upgrading my RAM from 8GB DDR3, to 16GB DDR3. My CPU (Intel Core i5-4690k) is starting to really show its age, though, so I've been wanting to upgrade that, but that will likely entail a near rebuild of my entire system, so I've been avoiding it, but, unfortunately, it's increasingly becoming more of an issue.
My only concern would be if anon maintains his PC. Sure, anon bought the PC in 2014 abd never upgraded... But dies anon at least open it up once in a while to clean it out or switch the thermal paste?
Use what works I guess. I personally don't like macOS (I have to use it at work), and I'm not really a fan of the hardware anyway, but my brother's family likes them, so they definitely have a target audience.
Yeah I love Mac OS. Granted I’m running an old version so who knows how the current OS is but I’m happy with what I have and probably won’t replace it for some time.
I used to work as a designer, the constant need to update my equipment to stay current with software made me leave the profession (not to mention adobes money grabbing bullshit). I can’t afford to spend a few grand every couple years just to freelance and have my income wildly fluctuate. Since I wasn’t able or willing to keep up with the expensive updates i quit entirely and now I’m too outdated in the software used these days to be hired even though I have all the theory and knowledge sitting in my brain.
The joys of being an American graduating into the 2008 recession and never getting a proper job that I studied for. Or having the pay expectations from employers who are used to hiring freelancers from third world countries and think indentured servant labor is acceptable over here. Fuck this country and fuck capitalism with a fucking cactus.
My work laptop is a 2019 MBP (last Intel one), and the OS hasn't really changed since I got it. So I don't think it's that.
I'm just used to Linux, and all the macOS stuff gets in the way. It also doesn't seem noticeably faster than my 2018 Thinkpad that I bought new for $500 or so, and battery life is somehow worse. The newer M-series chips my coworkers have are noticeably better, and I'm up for replacement soon, so maybe I'll change my opinion.
I'm a developer, and I mostly got my workflow working with tmux, vim, and VSCode, but it feels like I'm "doing it wrong." I don't like the trackpad and gestures, I miss the mouse buttons at the top of the trackpad (esp with the trackpoint), and my keyboard shortcuts don't work properly (it's a lot better with "Rectangle" though). I use Macports and those all break with every major upgrade, and upgrades take forever (I'm used to rolling Linux releases).
I still prefer my 2018 Thinkpad to my 2019 MBP. I really don't understand what everyone sees in it, but I'm stuck with it as long as I stay with my company. It works for a lot of people though.
The joys of being an American graduating into the 2008 recession
I'm a few years younger than you then. I was in school during the recession and got my first real job a few years after as things were recovering.
I always keep my PCs for about 8 years. Usually it is necessary to update the HDD/SSD and the GPU during that time, that is all. Mine will be 4 years old by the end of this year. I am now actively checking out 4TB SSDs in order to replace my current 1TB SSD.
This strategy may stop to work unfortunately. With the advent of ARM in desktop PCs, the PCs seem to become more monolithic. RAM and GPU not swappable, I think MACs don't even allow you to plop in more RAM. I don't like this development.
what? what PCs are you talking about that don't have swappable components? and how are those relevant? MACs is referring to something different than apple?
If you want to play at 15 fps go ahead. I never never said you needed 120fps. Only that the comment about performance is bullshit. The vast majority of gamers would laugh you out of the room.
If you don't upgrade to Windows 11, you can't use Recall, which is a great reason not to upgrade to Windows 11.
I upgraded to Linux. It worked out well for me since I mostly pay retro games and games from yesteryear.
I upgraded a Chromebook to Linux recently. That was a huge bump in performance that I wasn't expecting, not even just for gaming.
What OS was it running before? ChroomeOS is Linux right?
Technically yes, and so is Android. But neither work the way you'd expect a typical Linux distro to work.
Yeah it was ChromeOS. It is sort of linux, but google is an advertising company. You can't ask them to not collect your data and recently they gave up pretending like they cared about user privacy. Linux is none of that. Complete opposite.
If you compare it to linux side by side, chromeOS is basically the alternate reality evil twin with the goatee
What distro? Did you follow a guide?
installed Lubuntu 24 on it using a guide that loosely applied to the low end chromebook I have. Link here
Using chrome browser on ChromeOS was snappy but any other browser I used with addons was an awful and laggy experience. The difference in performance was an unexpected win, but I primarily did it to ditch SpywareOS.
Going forward I'm probably going to just look for chromebooks to convert to linux for a daily driver laptop because you dont have to pay a premium for the spyware like you do with a windows laptop
I upgraded to Linux and can still play every game I've tried to play
I'd say around 90% of games work without a hitch. 9% require some tinkering. 1% don't work at all.
If you want to stay with Windows for whatever reason, even 11, I can recommend Revision Playbook. It locks your installation and scrapes out the crap like unwanted updates and features like AI bullshit, Edge, Telemetry and whatnot. You can even manually install Apps from the Store without the Store if you like to. Security patches and selective updates come only via manual download from MS catalogue in my case, but you can automate this too with some tools.
People want shiny new things. I've had relatives say stuff like "I bought this computer 2 years ago and it's getting slower, it's awful how you have to buy a new one so quickly." I suggest things to improve it, most of which are free or very cheap and I'd happily do for them. But they just go out and buy a brand new one because that's secretly what they wanted to do in the first place, they just don't want to admit they're that materialistic.
Can I have some tips too?
Appreciate the meme but yea that is one way to probably improve performance. Or upgrade the RAM, clean the fans, reapply thermal compound, clear out temporary files, disable unused services or reinstall Windows if they really need it just to run Chrome and Zoom which is all they do.
Even just blowing out all the dust from a passive cooler (under the CPU fan) can make your system run a good 10°C cooler.
hardware isn't as impactful to performance as software imo, just getting rid of bloat services can improve the perceived performance for every day tasks a ton.
btw I don't really get why increasing the amount of ram is thought of as the first step by most normie consumers, if you have enough it's enough and even my 2gb machine runs everything fine
You'd be amazed at the startup and program opening time gains on older computers' when you change in the HDD that is stuck at read/write speeds of 5MB/s for a SSD
oh yeah SSDs are great, but RAM, thermals, etc don't matter much
If RAM upgradable to dual channel it could still make a big difference
Clean the fans.
Reinstall the os clean. That's usually why a new computer feels snappy: it's just fresh.
Also dont forget to reapply thermal paste. Might help with overheating.
Free:
Relatively cheap (<$200 each):
It really depends on what's making it slow though.
This part was huge you for me. Almost same as from HDD to SSD.
for deleting files qdirstat/windirstat are insanely good pieces of software
Maybe your relatives don't like you. It's a petty but valid reason to ignore perfectly good advice.
I have heard that Windows underclocks your CPU over time, to make you buy a new computer, and so Microsoft can get money from the new PC's preinstalled Windows license.
I am not really sure if that's true though.
I would say this is half true. Microsoft is known for pushing lots of software updates with unwanted features, so it’s probably that a computer will feel slower over time.
However that’s not an underclock it’s just that the CPU can’t keep up with that much bloatware.
People live in times of historic standstill. Society barely develops in a meaningful and hopeful way. Social relationships stagnate or decline. So they look for a feeling of progress and agency in participation in the market and consuming.
They don't realize this because they aren't materialistic enough, in a sense that they don't analyse their condition as a result of political and cultural configuration of their lives so that real agency seems unavailable
They're invested in PC gaming as social capital where the performance of your rig contributes to your social value. They're mad because you're not invested in the same way. People often get defensive when others don't care about the hobbies they care about because there's a false perception that the not caring implies what they care about is somehow less than, which feels insulting.
Don't yuck others' yum, but also don't expect everyone to yum the same thing.
Very well put! I'd also add that most people aren't even really conscious that that's the reason that they're mad. There's ways to express your negative opinion without stating it as a fact or downplaying the other person's taste.
I'm very certain Anon isn't just saying "nah, my rig works" to them when asked.
Maybe closer to "LMAO normies wasting money. fuckin coomsumers, upgrading for AAAA slop! LMFAO" into conversations they weren't invited to.
I use a gaming laptop from 2018. Rog Zephyrus.
fan started making grating noise even after thorough cleaning, found a replacement on Ebay and boom back in business playing Hitman and Stardew.
Will I get 120 fps or dominate multiplayer? nah. But yeah works fine. Might even be a hand me down later on.
Absolutely it totally depends on what you got originally. If you only got an okay ish PC in 2018 then it definitely still won't be fit for purpose in 2025, but if you got a good gaming PC in 2018 it probably will still work in another 5 years, although at that point you'll probably be on minimum settings for most new releases.
I would say 5 to 10 years is probably the lifespan of a gaming PC without an upgrade.
However my crappy work laptop needs replacing after just 3 years because it was rubbish to start with.
It depends on what gaming you do. My 10 year old PC with 6 year old GPU plays Minecraft fine.
My other "new PC" is a mini PC with Nvidia 1080 level graphics and it plays half life Alyx fine.
We replaced my mom's warcraft machine 3 years ago. It replaced an athlonII from 2k7 at 14 years old. Your tank may be a 74yo grandmother so be nice.
I want to talk about writing 2k7 instead of 2007. It does save a character, but I also had to read it 3 times to understand lol but that might be a me problem
Also: do you only do that for 2000-2009, or do you write 2k25?
Also, Also: hope this doesn't come across as rude. Ive never seen it written that way & find it interesting and a little funny.
Also, also, also: I think it's sweet you helped your mom upgrade her computer so she could play WoW more effectively.
Oh yeah that's what it means, I thought 2k7 was a company I'd never heard of.
We truly are living in the future
And even then, a few strategic upgrades of key components could boost things again. New gfx card, a better SSD, more/faster RAM, any of those will do a lot.
High end gaming laptops are about a 5 year cycle, presuming you want everything ultra or high settings.
If you don't care, my old laptop with a 7700k and a 1070 still runs almost anything, just not as well as brand new top end.
I built an overkill PC in February 2016, it was rocking a GTX 980ti a little before the 1080 came out, and it was probably the best GPU out there, factory overclocked and water cooled by EVGA. My CPU was an i5-4690k, which was solidly mid range then, but I overclocked it myself from 3.5GHz to 5.3Ghz with no issue, and only stopped there because I was so suspicious of how well it was handling that massive increase. I had 2TB of SSD spaceand like 8TB of regular hard drives and 16GB of ram.
Because I have never needed to think about space, and so many of my parts were really overpowered for their generation, I have always been hesitant to upgrade. I don't play the newest games either, I still get max settings on Doom Eternal and Read Dead 2 which I forget are half a decade old. The only game where it's struggled in low settings is Baldurs Gate 3 unfortunately, which is made me realise it's ready to upgrade.
I use an ultrabook from 2017 to play Minecraft sometimes.
If not playing competitive, there's very little reason to go latest and greatest. Just buy something with software support, or use Linux where support is practically guaranteed for at least a decade
Linux is actually a problem area here, because various crucial libraries for running games have limited support for hardware that old. I tried for a long time to get it working with stuff from 2012, my problems disappeared after upgrading my cpu recently. Something with Vulkan compatibility I think.
Any idea what? Wine/proton should abstract away all those issues. Or are you talking about old native Linux games?
Wine/proton is specifically what doesn't work, though most linux native games also did not work. Based on my experience with that I'm confident that everyone saying it just works for them has relatively new hardware.
You get a vulkan error that sounds the same if you have the wrong GPU drivers, some older cards need a different driver eg radeon vs amdgpu
Also possible your card is so old it doesn't even have a vulkan implementation, what was it?
It is a 3060 but I confirmed this is not a GPU or driver issue because replacing the CPU/mobo fixed it. Had the same issues with an older card also, upgrading it didn't help, nothing I did with graphics drivers helped.
That is only really a problem for CPUs one would consider today as ancient like a Pentium 3 from 1999 because it doesn't have e.g. SSE2 support which Wine (and afaik Vulkan) needs. Everything after that should work without any problems.
With older or slower CPUs performance may suffer, of course, but that is not a compatibility question.
Well it doesn't, again, 2012, gave errors and doesn't run, not performance, idk what else to say except maybe to ask if you have tested this yourself
Then it was an software problem. It can't be the CPU. unless you were using something very old. maybe the problem got solved when you reinstalled the system after you got your new CPU.
I didn't reinstall the OS after getting the new CPU, but had done so multiple times before that.
You're welcome to elaborate on your reasoning for this but I get the impression you haven't tested it yourself, and I am saying, based on my experience, that you are wrong about it. Why exactly you're wrong, I don't know, but it's wrong.
My point is this: someone with 10+ year old hardware should not be expecting to be able to run most games on linux because it likely won't work. Something like that is the cutoff, not 20+ years. If you're not yourself playing games on such a system you shouldn't be advising people otherwise, because you don't know.
You were claiming that some libraries had limited support for CPUs from 2012, which is simple said absolute and utter nonsense.
You are also trying to pin Vulcan problems on CPUs. Which is nonsense as well, since Vulkan has absolutely nothing to do with CPUs since it is a graphics API using the GPU. The only thing that may be is that you were using the integrated GPU built in your CPU, which was not compatible with Vulkan instead of using your dedicated GPU.
In that case, it could explain why changing the CPU fixed the problem, but it was actually never a problem of the CPU itself but a configuration error on your part.
And as said, Wine will run on absolutely anything that came after a Pentium III, so it is very much impossible that your CPU that was from 2012 could not run Wine. But it would be of course very helpful if you would actually tell us what CPU you had.
And yes, i tested it. My old CPU was a Phenom 2 from 2010 and Wine ran just fine with it and still does . And i very clearly gave you the reason in my first post. Which is Wine requiring SSE2.
Man, i even can play some older games with Wine on my Dell XPS M1330 Laptop which came out in 2007. That thing runs an ancient Dual-Core. This needs some tinkering though.
Well ok, I apologize as that was bullshit, that stuff in particular I'm less confident about and is mostly just a guess based on vague memories. I also have an older laptop from the same era with linux that also won't run games, and now that I think about it I might have been getting things mixed up with that re the Vulkan errors, where that laptop also has an older graphics card.
What isn't a guess is that I tried many things over the years with the idea that it could be a software issue, most games did not work with errors, until the CPU upgrade after which games I've tried work with steam/proton. The specific cause is unknown to me. But since I spent so much time on it, and because I had similar issues with that other laptop I mentioned, I feel confident this is a general problem of older hardware and Linux gaming.
I still have it somewhere, I will check. It says AMD Athlon X4, and that it's from 2011.
First of all, I'm saying there's problems running most games, especially modern games, not that Wine doesn't run at all, it did. I was mostly trying with proton/lutris since Wine by itself needs more tinkering. Second, it's flawed logic to point to a compatibility issue that exists with very old hardware and say that because that particular compatibility issue would not apply, that no issue can exist. A case that no issue exists would need way more than that. How can you be sure that there are no dependencies in the software used to make games compatible, on CPU features introduced more recently?
This being possible has of course been the case for a very long time. What hasn't is, a large portion of modern games being playable on linux with minimal tinkering, which is a recent development. But I did not have that experience, until I got new hardware, and I think that's also how it would go for other people.
Did you try cleaning your PC and replacing the thermal paste before upgrading? Linux struggles with CPU temperature
The computer I built in 2011 lasted until last summer. I smiled widely when I came to tell my wife and my friend, where my friend then asked why I was smiling when my computer no longer worked.
"Because now he can buy a new one" my wife quickly replied 😁
This makes me wonder how long my build from last year should last me.
I'm rocking a Ryzen 2700x since 2018, or early 2019, and it's still working like a champ. Granted Cities Skylines 2 is a bit much for it but I've been playing Baulders Gate and Helldivers with about a 100 fps average.
That’s good to hear then.
I have a Ryzen 5 5800x, 32GB 3600 RAM, and a 4060 TI. And mainly play Minecraft, Factorio, and most recently RDR2. So should last forever lol
5700x,5700x3d may be an upgrade path with your existing mobo. They were $100-190 a month ago.
How big was your city when you noticed performance issues? I'm near or at 100k on 5700x3d and can play at 3x speed smoothly. When I had a 2700x I noticed lag a lot quicker than 100k but that was much nearer to launch.
Mine is from 2011 and still going strong. It had some upgrades like extra ram, ssd and a new gpu a couple of years ago and I had to replace the front fan. It starts making a horrible noise about 4 hours into a gaming session with a graphically demanding game, but apart from that it runs perfectly fine. I don't really play demanding games usually so I don't really care. When it finally dies, I might just swap out the motherboard and cpu and keep the rest. It's my personal ship of Theseus.
One upside of AAA games turning into unimaginative shameless cash-grabs is that the biggest reason to upgrade is now gone. My computer is around 8 years old now. I still play games, including new games - but not the latest fancy massively marketed online rubbish games. (I bet there's a funner backronym, but this is good enough for now.)
How about the CASH abbreviation?
Created, Acquired, Stocks, Horseshit
The order in which they develop.
If people are pushing you to buy stuff, they are not friends. Do not listen to them.
No, no see sir we are great friends!
Now let me tell you about this great $20,0000 Flatscreen that i get 30% commission on (welcome to bestbuy circa 2000)
(This is satire)
I'm still pushing a ten year old PC with an FX-8350 and a 1060. Works fine.
I didn't think of my computer as old until I saw your comment with ten years and it's gpu in the same sentence. When did that happen??
We reached the physical limits of silicon transistors. Speed is determined by transistor size (to a first approximation) and we just can't make them any smaller without running into problems we're essentially unable to solve thanks to physics. The next time computers get faster will involve some sort of fundamental material or architecture change. We've actually made fundamental changes to chip design a couple of times already, but they were "hidden" by the smooth improvement in speed/power/efficiency that they slotted into at the time.
My 4 year old work laptop had a quad core CPU. The replacement laptop issued to me this year has a 20-core cpu. The architecture change has already happened.
I'm not sure that's really the sort of architectural change that was intended. It's not fundamentally altering the chips in a way that makes them more powerful, just packing more in the system to raise its overall capabilities. It's like claiming you had found a new way to make a bulletproof vest twice as effective, by doubling the thickness of the material, when I think the original comment is talking about something more akin to something like finding a new base material or altering the weave/physical construction to make it weigh less, while providing the same stopping power, which is quite a different challenge.
Except the 20 core laptop I have draws the same wattage as the previous one, so to go back to your bulletproof vest analogy, it's like doubling the stopping power by adding more plates, except the all the new plates weigh the same as and take up the same space as all the old plates.
A lot of the efficiency gains in the last few years are from better chip design in the sense that they're improving their on-chip algorithms and improving how to CPU decides to cut power to various components. The easy example is to look at how much more power efficient an ARM-based processor is compared to an equivalent x86-based processor. The fundamental set of processes designed into the chip are based on those instruction set standards (ARM vs x86) and that in and of itself contributes to power efficiency. I believe RISC-V is also supposed to be a more efficient instruction set.
Since the speed of the processor is limited by how far the electrons have to travel, miniaturization is really the key to single-core processor speed. There has still been some recent success in miniaturizing the chip's physical components, but not much. The current generation of CPUs have to deal with errors caused by quantum tunneling, and the smaller you make them, the worse it gets. It's been a while since I've learned about chip design, but I do know that we'll have to make a fundamental chip "construction" change if we want faster single-core speeds. E.G. at one point, power was delivered to the chip components on the same plane as the chip itself, but that was running into density and power (thermal?) limits, so someone invented backside power delivery and chips kept on getting smaller. These days, the smallest features on a chip are maybe 4 dozen atoms wide.
I should also say, there's not the same kind of pressure to get single-core speeds higher and higher like there used to be. These days, pretty much any chip can run fast enough to handle most users' needs without issue. There's only so many operations per second needed to run a web browser.
I think I added the 1060 later if that helps :D
i am also using ~10 year old pc but mine is kinda lower end compared to yours
Genuine curiosity... Why BSD?
Also... There were significant improvements with intel Sandy bridge (2xxx series) and parent is using an equivalent to that. Sandy+ (op seems to be haswell or ivy bridge) is truly the mark of -does everything-.... I've only bothered to upgrade because of CPU hungry sim games that eat cores.
https://unixdigest.com/articles/technical-reasons-to-choose-freebsd-over-linux.html
mine is clarkdale btw just fyi
besides that linux just doesn't support my hardware, in all the distros in all the kernels heck even live arch iso there is this weird issue where the pc randomly freezes with those weird screen glitches randomly and the only option to make it work again is force hard reboot
Same here!
My trusty backup is still an FX8320, the main is an I7-8700k with 1070ti
And it keeps you warm during cold snaps!
Fine for what? Youtube? That cpu had poor performance even when it was released.
Lol what? No it didn't. It just runs really hot.
Yes, it did. It cost more and performed worse (in some cases 30% worse) than an i5 3470.
They're mad they spent 1k$ on a gpu and still can't do 4k without upscaling on the newest crapware games
Yeah, I'm with you anon. Here's my rough upgrade path (dates are approximate):
So for ~$2200, I got a PC for ~15 years and a NAS (drive costs excluded) for ~7 years. That's less than most prebuilts, and similar to buying a console each gen. If I didn't have a NAS, the 2023 upgrade wouldn't have had a mobo, so it would've been $400 (just CPU and GPU), and the CPU would've been an extreme luxury (1700 -> 5600 is nice for sim games, but hardly necessary). I'm not planning any upgrades for a few years.
Yeah it's not top of the line, but I can play every game I want to on medium or high. Current specs: Ryzen 5600, RX 6650 XT, 16GB RAM.
People say PC gaming is expensive. I say hobbies are expensive, PC gaming can be inexpensive. This is ~$150/year, that's pretty affordable... And honestly, I could be running that OG PC from 2009 with just a second GPU upgrade for grand total of $800 over 15 years if all I wanted was to play games.
Almost exact same timeline, prices and specs here. Just went with the RX6600 instead after hardware became somewhat affordable again after crypto hype and COVID. Always bought the mid-lowend stuff of the then actual hardware, if upgraded wanted/needed. It's good to read of non-highend stuff all the time though.
I only got the 6650 because it was on sale for $200 or something, I was actually looking for the 6600 but couldn't find a reasonable deal.
I make enough now that I don't need to be stingy on hardware, but I honestly don't max the hardware I have so it just seems wasteful. I probably won't upgrade until either my NAS dies or the next AMD socket comes out (or there's a really good deal). I don't care about RTX, VR kinda sucks on Linux AFAIK, and I think newer AAA games kinda suck.
I'll upgrade if I can't play something, but my midrange system is still fine. I'm expecting no upgrades for 3-5 more years.
I thought anon was the normie? The average person doesnt upgrade their PC every two years. The average person buys a PC and replaced it when nothing works anymore. Anon is the normie, they are the enthusiasts. Anon is not hanging with a group of people with matching ideologies.
Let's just drop the word "normie" altogether.
The word is incredibly vague and fails to reflect the diversity of viewpoints and opinions. Everyone has their own perception of what is most common, so the definition varies wildly.
isnt that, the point?
It's supposed to refer to "normal" people. an incredibly broad and vague selection of people, who are, rather indistinct.
Kind of, but in doing so it loses any significant meaning. Everyone interprets it as they see fit
yeah but i feel like that's the perfect encapsulation of the meaning though, extrapolating it to anything else would ruin it's meaning... Wait now this is just the opposite argument.
These are PC gamers, their hobby revolves around computers.
It's similar to how car enthusiasts might give you shit for driving a ten year old Camry, whereas most people won't care.
Yeah, most people. Aka the "normies".
Normies still have hobbies
The point that the thread OP is trying to make that a "normie" is someone who is not considered as passionate about a subject as, say, an enthusiast. So naturally, they will not be as prone to spend money and replace their gear very often.
put linux on that beast and it'll keep running new games til 2030
I'm still rocking the 4790K. It's been a damn good CPU.
My computer needs an upgrade now, but really what's happening is I'm getting GPU bottlenecked, the CPU is still okay actually.
Upgrade the GPU, reveal the CPU bottleneck.
That's where I was a couple years ago. Originally, I had an R9 290. Amazing card circa 2014, but its 4 GB of VRAM aged it pretty badly by 2020. Now I've got a 4070, which is way more than good enough for the 1080p60 that I run at. I'll upgrade the rest of the PC to match the GPU a little better in the future, but for right now, I don't need to. Except maybe for Stellaris.
But I just ripped a bunch of my old PS2 games to my PC because I felt like revisiting them. And my PS2 is toast. RIP, old friend. :(
I upgraded last year from i7-4700k to i7-12700k and from GTX 750Ti to RTX 3060Ti, because 8 threads and 2GB of vram was finally not enough for modern games. And my old machine still runs as a home server.
The jump was huge and I hope I'll have money to upgrade sooner this time, but if needed I can totally see that my current machine will work just fine in 6-8 years.
I feel this.
I went AM4 in 2017 when the AMD gave a leap forward at a reasonable price and efficiency.
Then I added a 3060 when one became available.
They're both undervolted, and ticking along nicely.
I don't plan to change anything until probably 2027. Heck, I'm still catching up to 2020 in my games backlog.
Doesn't undervolting damage parts over time?
no. If anything, it helps them last longer.
Undervolting (when done correctly) won't damage PC parts.
Yes, it reduces the voltage supplied to the components but CPUs and GPUs are designed to operate within a specific voltage range and you keep the voltage within this range. Even if you reduce the voltage below the recommended range, the system may become unstable but this doesn't cause damage – it simply results in crashes.
In what possible way? Genuinely curious 🖖🏽
Lower voltage = higher current for a given power. Guess if you simultaneously reduce power you probably are okay
No undervolting reduces power consumption.
I have a undervolt curve on my GPU and I get about 2-3% better performance for 90% of the tdp.
It's because consumer GPUs try to max out their TDP pretty much at any cost with no individual refinement. Undervolting is pretty much tailoring a power profile to the silicon lottery.
I think you're totally right for a load that needs a certain amount of power. But a CPU just needs to be able to flip transistor gates fast enough. They don't draw more current at lower voltage, so the lower the voltage, the lower the power. At some point, too low of a voltage won't let them flip fast enough for a given clock speed (or, eventually, flip at all)
That's not how current works (most of the time... Some loads, i.e. big motors, might do that, but not any solid state electronics)
I'm playing XCOM: The Bureau (2013) right now on an 6700K (2015). Why touch a running system. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My current PC used for gaming is a self built one from 2014. I have upgraded a few things during the years, most notably GPU and memory, but it did an excellent job for over a decade. Recently it started to show its age with various weird glitches and also some performance issues in several newer games and so I've just ordered a new one. But I'm pretty proud of my sustainable computing achievement.
For me the most important reason to upgrade things is security updates. E.g. if you have an old smartphone it might not get security updates anymore.
Some people don't seem to care, but I get paranoid about hackers breaking into my phone in some way.
Phones suffer a lot from forced obsolescence. More often than not, the hardware is fine, but the OEM abandons it because "lol fuck you, buy new shit". Anyone that says that a Samsung S7 "can't handle current apps" is out of their mind
Other than camera and software, there's hardly any reason to buy new phones over flagships from some years ago.
This. My mobile is over 6 years old. Security updates till 2022, but I don't even mind sec updates. What concerns me more is buy-a-new-phone-every-year-because-reasons, because buy new shit and spybloatware. Skynet is the virus. My old one runs perfectly fine and I buy a new one if it is broken. Even critical apps like banking doing fine. It's not like the whole architecture of the OS changes yearly, right?
Ugh, my banking app doesn't work on my phone any more because it's "old". It came out in 2017.
True. For my next phone I'm looking at how long security updates are promised for, so I can get something with long-term support.
I also have a 2014-ish desktop. Over the years added an SSD and replaced the graphics card around 5 years ago.
I can still run most games on medium settings, even some new ones if they are properly optimized, but nothing crazy, 1080p.
I just started to feel that my rig is getting slower and even AA games become more demanding.
I fully support using hardware as long as possible to minimise e-waste and see no reason to upgrade a PC every 2-3 years.
Edit: typo
Similar story. The only upgrades I made to my 2014 desktop were a 1TB SSD and a used RTX2070 to play BG3 in 2023. I don’t care much for the latest multiplayer shoot em ups with simulated leg hair growth, but I can play most other titles from the past year at the highest graphical settings.
My old builds go to the wife and her old PCs upgrade my NAS. By the time I'm done using the hardware it's 10-12 years old. Wife only plays sims anyways. 2080 super is her upgrade to an AM4 3900x and 64gb of ram and 2) 2TB nvme drives. She will get plenty of life from that and then in 5 years, get my current rig. Cycle continues.
Like as in upgrading a component everyone few years? Sure.
Updating the entire rig everything few years? For the average user, very little point. It used to be you literally had to, to play them newest games. Around 00's I'd say. Games are way more backward compatible nowadays. I had a rig from 2012, to which I updated GPU to a 1060 6gb in 2016. Now I updated the entire rig last year, except for the GPU, which I plan to updated in a few months when 5070/5060ti comes out.
For the average gamer I don't think there's really much need to update more than every five years and that's still being pretty fresh. I can still play on the 1060, even Marvels runs although... eh. My GPU is clearly the bottleneck currently.
With a 5060/5070 I hope to manage till 2030 at least.
I've never had a desktop PC. I have always wanted to build one but never had the money/time for it. I've been using the same laptop since 2016 until it recently started breaking (mostly due to toddlers). I casually mentioned this to a friend and they offered me their kids old PC for free. It was some 4th gen i3 with a 1050ti so pretty old spec. I've uograded with a ssd, a i7 4790k and 980ti all for around $130. It is pretty decent for gaming and ive never had a game run poorly as of yet. Very happy with my 10 year old hardware!
I originally built my current PC back in 2016 and only just "upgraded" it last year. I put upgrade in quotes because it was literally a free motherboard and GPU my buddy no longer needed. I went from a Core i5 6600K to a Ryzen 5 5500GT and a GTX960 4GB to a GTX1070. Still plays all the games I want it to, so I have no desire to upgrade it further right now. I think part of it is I'm still using 1080P 60Hz monitors.
I was running one from 2011 up until 2 years ago when I finally hit a wall in a game I was trying to play and had to upgrade the processor (which meant a new motherboard, which meant new everything). Prior to that I had only upgraded the GPU a couple years prior which i really didn't need but it was a present to myself and I was able to give the old one to my brother. By the time this one is outdated I might not even be interested in computers anymore with the way things are going with technology.
Still on a 1060 here. Sure, it's too slow for anything from the PS5 era, but that's what my PS5 is for.
It does have a 1 in 4 chance of bluescreening when I quit FFXIV, but I don't know what's causing that. Running it at 100% doesn't seem to crash it, possibly something about the drivers not freeing shit properly, I dunno.
I showed this to my penultimate daughter, who coopted my (literal 2014) Dell PC, the only thing I'd ever done to it was add memory, it is a beast still. Said "look, your 4chan twin" and she cracked up. But if she does not steal it when she moves out I will probably be able to get ten more years out of it.
I will drive the 1660 Super until the wheels fall off
I buy old electronics for 1/10 of what new stuff costs, install Linux or Foss os, keep it for years without problems until hard drive goes
I don't game on PC but neither do a lot of people who pay $2500 for a laptop, people who inevitably call me for tech help for basic shit.
What's the point? I'd rather have the commons than like a mountain of consumer goods that all suck and are getting worse.
if you had a top of the line pc in 2014 you'd be talking about a 290x/970/980 which would probably work really well for most games now. For CPU that'd be like a 4th gen intel or AMD Bulldozer which despite its terrible reputation probably runs better nowadays thanks to better multi-threading.
A lot of the trending tech inflating minimum requirements nowadays are stuff like raytracing (99% of games don't even need it) and higher FPS/resolution monitors that aren't that relevant if you're still pushing 1080p/60. Let's not even begin with Windows playing forced obsolescence every few years.
Hell, most games that push the envelope of minimum specs like Indiana Jones are IMO just unoptimised messes built on UE5 than legitimately out of scope of hardware from the last decade. Stuff like Ninite hasn't delivered in enabling photorealistic asset optimisation but HAS enabled studios to cut back on artist labour in favour of throwing money at marketing.
You have to try really hard to even notice Ray tracing in a lot of games. Well except for your fps halving, that's pretty noticeable.
Maybe it's just my CPU or something wrong with my setup, but i feel like new games (especially ones that run on Unreal Engine 5) really kick my computers ass at 1440p. Just got the 7900xtx last year and using a ryzen 9 3900xt i got from 2020 for reference. I remember getting new cards like 10 years ago and being able to crank the settings up to max with no worries, but nowadays I feel I gotta worry about lowering settings or having to resort to using upscaling or frame generation.
Games dont feel very optimized anymore, so I can see why people might be upgrading more frequently thinking it's just their pc being weak. I miss the days where we could just play games in native resolution.
Unrel engine is also a pig on resources. I don't bother games that use it on my Steam Deck because I know they won't run well
This is on purpose. Game studios decided that instead of bothering with all sorts of complex graphics hacks to get games to run fast they can just crank ray tracing and use temporal anti-aliasing. The result being that you need one of the latest generation cards to run these games at all since they don't degrade gracefully to lower specs.
Until very recently I was still running a 1080, which runs pretty much any game (even recent ones) at high graphics settings. As soon as a game uses ray tracing or temporal anti-aliasing it won't even run at the lowest potato settings possible.
The invincible should not look like this at <15fps and be a blurry mess when moving on minimum settings while halo infinite looks way better while rendering way more things on the same machine at high settings at 60fps.
Devs are heavily depending on the crutch of upscaling and framegen for new games.
Yeah, fuck putting FSR/DLSS on by default. How about you just optimize your game asshole
Not just you. The difference between a poorly optimized game, and a game that looks even better but is well optimized, is insane these days.
I still have my 2014 machine. I've upgraded it with an M.2 drive and more RAM. Everything else is perfectly fine and I wouldn't see the difference with a newer machine. I'll keep it for a long as I can because the longer I wait the better the machine I replace it with will be.
Also I just wouldn't know what to do with it after. I can't bring myself to throwing away a perfectly good machine, but keeping it would be hoarding.
RAM was the first thing that became an issue for me as well. If I hadn't gotten a new machine from my work I might have still been using it.
I built a PC in 2011 with an AMD Phenom II. Can't remember which one, it may have been a 740. And I'm pretty sure a Radeon HD 5450 until FO4 came out in 2015 and I needed a new graphics card. Upgraded to a Radeon R7 240, and some other AM3 socketed CPU I found for like, $40 on eBay. By no means was I high end gaming over here. And it stayed that way until 2020, when I finally gutted the whole thing and started over. It ran everything I wanted to play. So I got like, 9 years out of about $600 in parts. That's including disc drives, power supply, case, and RAM. And I'm still using the case. I got my money's worth out of it, for sure. The whole time we were in our apartment, it was hooked up to our dumb TV. So, it was our only source of Netflix, YouTube, DVDs, and Blu-rays. It was running all the time. Then, I gave all the innards to my buddy to make his dad a PC for web browsing. It could still be going in some form, as far as I know.
I remember the 5450! I got one when wrath of the lich king dropped because my Dell integrated graphics couldn't handle strand of the ancients. That baby got me from 2 FPS to 15. Served me until I left for school.
I barely remember it, which is think is a compliment because it just worked! Never had any driver issues or temperature problems, didn't demand too much power. It just did its job until I needed something more.
i just upgraded this year, to an r9 5900x, from my old r5 2600, still running a 1070 though.
I do video editing and more generally CPU intensive stuff on the side, as well as a lot of multitasking, so it's worth the money, in the long run at least.
I also mostly play minecraft, and factorio, so.
ryzen 5000 is a great upgrade path for those who don't want to buy into am5 yet. Very affordable. 7000 is not worth the money, unless you get a good deal, same for 9000, though you could justify it with a new motherboard and ram.
I'm rocking a 5800X and see no reason to go to 7000 or no 9000 anytime soon. It's been great since I built the PC.
i would've bought a 5800x, but the prices for the 5800x were crazy, so i just bit the bullet and spent more money on the 5900x as it was a better value, and admittedly, probably more useful to me, especially moving into the future.
5000 series was a flagship line up for ryzen i think, just before AMD started really killing intel in performance, and also before they started chasing performance so hard. It has great power efficiency, and even better performance. It truly is the chip of the era. Especially with the x3d series for people who want more cache.
i imagine whatever comes after 9000 series might be a more worthwhile upgrade for you, unless like me you like to wait for things to become more cost effective as it falls a few generations behind. That's another great strategy as well. I also tend to find that anything less than 3 generations between CPU upgrades and you're close to the "this isn't really worth it" line. 2 gens might be, it might not be also though.
I'm the one person who people go to for PC part advice, but I actually try to talk them down. Like, do you need more RAM because your experience is negatively impacted by not having enough, or do you just think you should have more just because?
Ha, I had this exact conversation with a friend of mine a few days ago, he wants to upgrade from 16GB to 32GB and when I asked why, he just blanked out for a while and went "...because more is better, right?"
He spends most of his time playing rpg maker porn games and raid shadow legend, also really taxing that RTX 3070 he bought right in the middle of the pandemic.
I want to say I upgrade every 6 years. Getting mid to upper specs and a mid range video card and it’ll last you for a long time.
Maybe it is like drug addicts or drunks who, even though they know it is not the healthiest vice, they try to get everyone else to do it too?
Upgrading my ryzen 7 1700 and GTX 1080 for a 5800X3D and RX 7900 XT this weekend. Waiting for the CPU but it's cool to be able to go from first to last Gen that this motherboard can support
Still rocking two GTX660s in SLI, they run solitaire and lemmy alright. Even upgraded the thing to Win11 against its wishes
Whether you upgrade it or not, it's always a safe bet to clean your pc from dust once a year; and change thermal paste like 2-3 years.
For the thermal paste, only if it heats up. It's not impossible to break stuff doing it so better not do it to often. IMO.
Can confirm, pc bought in 2016, upgraded CPU and GFX card, can play VR games and games at 4k with decent framerates.
Specs? 2016 is pre-ryzen so I sincerely doubt what you're saying is true. Even if you have the then top of the line i7 6800k.
Really depends on the game. Even early Ryzen didn't perform well on games that were largely dependent on single core performance.
I know but if you had a Ryzen 1000 you could eventually upgrade to a Ryzen 5000. For example, I started with a 1600 that I then upgraded to a 3600 and finally a 5600.
I7 7700k, 32gb ram, 2080ti
2080ti came out in late 2018 and is only 2 generations old. The 7700k came out in early 2017 so it's a bit older and I doubt you get actually "decent" fps in 4k or VR. Decent being 60+ at least.
Yup, I did say I upgraded the GFX card and CPU. And it depends on what games, not much of an fps fan, so yeah, most things I play are great, and yes, even VR. But you don't need to believe me, it's of no consequence.
60fps is the minimum for a fluid image so you don't have to be an "fps fan" to want that.
I was talking about first person shooters, lol.
Why would being an "fps fan" have anything to do with the performance of your system being decent or not? There are plenty of demanding games that aren't shooters.
They are straight up lying.
My 3080 has to be dropped to medium on most modern titles to stay in the 60-90fps range.
No you can't. Unless you are dropping details to an absurd level or not playing graphic interactive games this is 100% grade A bullshit.
I have a 3080 and regularly drop things to medium or even low on certain toggles on newer game to keep it at 60fps or better.
What games are settings are you running on you 1080 at 4k. Please provide specifics so we can be sure we're not comparing apples to oranges.
Lol, this feels like exactly what the original greentext was saying. I posted them under a different comment, I also didn't say I was playing everything on high. Playing HL Alyx on medium rn. Sure, not as crisp an experience, but still really good.
So? He upgraded the GPU and CPU so 4k should run fine depending on what he upgraded to ofc.
Used to get this with Linux gaming and proton too. Love getting told something I see with my own eyes isn't true.
My 1080Ti finally died this year (started overheating). I've kept it though, in the hope I can fix it one day...
Every other part is just cobbled together from older rigs or sporadic upgrade pushes when a sale looks good.
Re-paste and new pads didn’t work?
If that doesn't work, just re-ball and new RAM
Repaste is part of it, but I noticed one of the fans isn't spinning up as well.
Only stopped using my Bulldozer-era box because it started crashing and freezing. And a BIOS fix Asus support suggested nuked my board. I had the thing maxed out... 12 SSDs in soft RAID, GTX570s in SLI. It was a monster. I still have most of the parts and I'm sure it would run a lot of stuff just fine at the cost of heat and noise :]
I tend to flip my RAM out every 3-5 years and notice a significant improvement in performance. Other than that, though...
Like you put the ram back in the other way - like flipping a toast halfway through toasting?
Like buy replacement sticks of RAM and insert it in place of the original sticks.
I think the word would be swap. I thought you put the sticks in different ports every once in a while and thought "does that help it last longer?" for a second.
Oh.
Well thanks anyway
i mean, if you're running slow ram, upgrading to faster ram would definitely help, especially if you're on a modern platform.
You should really just download more ram though...
I'd sooner download a car
you could also download a car, and then sell that car to pay for more ram, that's another valid option.
The experience of playing modern games on a modern AAA "high end" PC is obviously going to be better if you care about things like ray-tracing and high framerates or resolution. You can't really dispute that.
But it would be stupid to say you're wrong if you just want to play that same game on your system if it actually runs. If the game is playable and you're having fun, you're doing it correctly.
I only upgrade when I start to see multiple games a year that just straight up don't work on my computer.
It's easy to go too far in either direction instead of just doing what fits your needs (which in fairness, can sometimes be difficult to precisely pin down). Blindly going "it's old, I need to upgrade" or "it still runs, it's not worth upgrading" will sometimes be right but it's not exactly tailored advice.
Someone I know was holding out for ages on a 4790K (2014), and upgraded a year or two ago to a then-current-gen system and said the difference it made to their workflow was huge - enough that they actually used that experience to tell their boss at work that the work systems (similar to what they had had themselves) should get upgraded.
At the end of 2022 I had had my current monitor(s) for about 10 years and had spent years of hearing everyone saying "wow upgrading my monitor was huge", saying that either 1440p was such an upgrade over 1080p and/or that high refresh rate (120+Hz) was such an upgrade over 60Hz. I am (or at least was in the past) a pretty competitive player in games so you'd think I'd be a prime candidate for it, but after swapping from a 60Hz 1200p screen to a 144Hz 1440p screen for my primary monitor I... honestly could barely notice the difference in games (yes, the higher refresh rate is definitely enabled, and ironically I can tell the difference easily outside of games lol).
I'm sensitive to input latency, so I can (or at least could, don't know if I still can) easily tell the difference between the responsiveness of ~90 FPS and ~150 FPS in games, so it's extra ironic that pumping the refresh rate of the screen itself didn't do much for me.
it all depends on what you want to do with it, if it works for your use case all the better!
I'll do you
onetwo better: my computer's from 2012. I can play even modern games on high settings sometimes. It wasn't even a high specced one at the time. I think I put about $1200 into the actual components AND monitor/keyboard.Everyone's different. Maybe for you playing a game on "high settings" in 1080p@30 is enough but others might prefer 4k@60 or 1440p@100 or more fps. Also, define "modern".
My 2009 i5 750 (oc at 3.6) can still play any game I throw at it.
That CPU started as a development Linux workstation, then as Windows gaming rig, then served couple of years as unRaid server and now runs a Windows 10 workstation for my mother in law. Still fast enough for everyday use.
My i7-920 lasted a lot longer than I ever thought it would. I still have it but i don't need the power anymore since I don't have time to PC game. Actually it was in a P6T v2 and I think I replaced it with a xeon processor.
What sorta stuff do you play? I built an i5 2500k system a couple years back (2020-ish) and it struggled a fair bit, but was on the cusp of 1080p60 in the few games I tested like Fortnite, f1-2019, Warzone etc.
2500K are good overclockers, ran one for many years at 4.7GHz. It definitely kept my CPU relevant way past it's supposed life span.
I just don't play online games, never have. I can play pretty much any single player/coop game at medium/1080. Maybe most recent titles like Elden ring would struggle, but I have hundreds of games in my library and they all work fine.
I even made a small VR project with it although every manufacturers said it wouldn't work. The GPU is a 1060.
Overall, I've spent around 600$ on this computer, over 15 years and it still a perfectly capable PC. I have another PC and Macbook for work, but the i5 has been our streaming/gaming pc for years.
easy to say when you never throw demanding AAA titles at it
IDK I have 200+ games and they all work. In terms of AAA I played all the recent Fallout, Doom, Tomb Raider and many others. I even played Hellblade in VR. Definitely good enough for me.
I've upgraded pretty much everything in my 2009 PC and only just finally bought a new CPU. I just need a new case.for everything. The last straws were Elden Ring being CPU bottle necked at 20 FPS and Helldivers 2 requiring some instruction that wasn't on my CPU.
Not an gamer but still using a PC bought when Win8 first came out
I recently repurposed a xeon CPU/motherboard from 2012 to run my Proxmox server. Bought a rack mount case, noctua fans, new ram, cpu cooler, and gavie it a good thorough cleaning. Not blazing fast, but does the job.
I do need to upgrade my CPU specifically, but that's because I've got it second hand several years ago, when it already hasn't been very good
I had an i5-2500k from when they came out (I think 2011? Around that era) until 2020 - overclocked to 4.5Ghz, ran solid the whole time. Upgraded graphics card, drives, memory, etc. but that was incremental as needed. Now on an i7-10700k. The other PC has been sat on the side and may become my daughters or wife's at some point.
Get what you need, and incremental upgrades work.
I just installed Linux on my old 2500k @ 4.5GHz system a few days ago! I haven’t actually done much with it yet because I also upgraded the OS on a newer system that is taking over server responsibilities. But you are correct on the year with 2011. I built mine to coincide with the original release of Skyrim.
The install went quickly (Linux Mint, so as expected) and the resulting system is snappy yet full featured. It’s ready for another decade of use. Maybe it will be a starter desktop to start teaching my second grader with it. (Educational stuff as well as trying a mouse for games compared with a controller)
I got screwed over with the motherboard, as it had to go back because of bimetallic contracts in the SATA ports that could wear out and stop it working so there was a big recall of all the boards... Was an amazing system though and if I hadn't seen the computer I'm currently running for an absolute steal, I'd probably still be running it with a 3060 as a pretty potent machine still.
Of course, then I'd never have the experience of just HOW FAST NVME IS! :-D
I was rocking a i7-4790k and a GTX970 until about 2 years ago, now I'm rocking a i5-10400F and one of Nvidia's chip shortage era RTX2060s. My wife is still on a i5-4560 (by memory) and a RX560 and that's really getting long in the tooth with only 4 threads and the budget GPU doesn't help matters much.
Later this year when Windows 10 gets closer to EOL I figure I'll refresh her machine and upgrade the SSD in mine
The only thing I am a bit sad about (on my fairly recent machine) is that I can't really enjoy is Ray tracing but that's just because I went AMD 🤷
What generation? People keep saying AMD is worthless for RT but that's really only true compared to the rtx4000 series and games like cyberpunk.
Games with RT that I've played on AMD that ran well compared to Nvidia (because it's still a performance hog) are metro Exodus enhanced and avatar frontiers of Pandora.
I thoroughly dislike upscaling and fake frames though, so other than games like that it's not for me even if I had a 4080 super instead or the 7900xtx
6900xt, it halves my FPS in Control
Yeah but it did that with Nvidia too. 4000 series is stronger ofc but so is amd 7000 series.
The equivalent model to a 6900xt is the 3080, not 2080...
Yes, why the weird remark when I literally mentioned newer gens in my previous comment?
not that the 3080 fares much better, also from 110 to 65 or so fps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yphs7Ii-6cY
Oh nice overly online argumentative prick spotted with immediate downvote. Sorry for trying to interact. Blocked.
I'm comparing my 6900xt to a 3080 which are the comparable models.
From the beginning I've been talking about my setup, ray tracing and the fact that the lower performance comes from me choosing an AMD setup at the time, I don't care what the next gen performance was, it wasn't available, I don't care what the previous gen performance was, it wasn't part of the choices when I built my rig.
A 50% bump in performance is pretty major, especially from 40 to 60 FPS.
My 2008 librebooted t440p thinkpad Says hold my beer. Browses the web like its a 2025 desktop Its amazing Except for the compile times (it runs gentoo :D)
Yea, for general computing a lot of older PCs are very manageable. I have an old 2008 unibody MacBook laying around that I had to use for a little while a few months ago and it was perfectly usable on mint. Even felt a lot better than a lot of newer machines since apple built them like tanks and their trackpads back then were so ahead of their time they easily beat out a lot of brand new machines.
I genuinely dont understand this. On time my friend bought an rtx 3060 (was using rx580).
I asked "oh cool, whay new games are you gonna play?". She said "none, I'm just gonna play the same ones". I asked "what was wrong with the old card?" And she said "idk just felt like I need a new one." We play games like tf2...
I just don't get this type of behaviour. She also has like 14 pairs of sneakers.
4770/1060 gang over here. Upgrading to a free 9600 this weekend.
Gaming PCs are like cars, imo. You should be trying to get like 8 years out of them before you replace it.
Unlike most cars, most gaming PCs can then upgraded. Then they can be repurposed.
Because you're the lemming who isn't running off the cliff. It pisses them off.
I was with them until my girlfriend gifted me a 180Hz monitor last year and now I can't deal with less than 90 FPS so I had to finally upgrade my RX580 (I just found out it stopped getting driver updates in January 2024 so I guess it was about time). High refresh rates ruin you.
I’d answer Anon by saying that the other gamers need to feel validated, and justified in spending thousands of dollars upgrading their PCs.
I still use a Thinkpad T440p :3
Yeah I'm daily-ing a laptop from 2019 with an i7-9750, a GTX1650, and 16 gb of RAM. No upgrades except storage. The GPU is the only thing that sometimes makes me go "hm."
I'm daily driving a laptop with i7 9750h and 1660ti. Unfortunately I had to convert it to desk only as battery is dead and removed, and touch pad seems to have also broke. Still CPU and GPU work fine. I still wonder if I will upgrade and if I can afford it ever anymore. I bought this laptop for 800 new. Idk, I want a framework just because of repairable nature but I would need to spend close to 2k to match the current 64GB RAM and 2TB of storage.
My old guy's battery is still fine (for reference, fine means about 2-4 hours of screen time, which is about the same as new) but that's only because I keep it locked to 60% and use it as a desktop. I also would want to upgrade to a framework but god they're pricey. Especially the dGPU ones.
this is what I used to get, between 2-5 hours depending on how light to work and strict the power restrictions are. yes I wish to get the framework 16 with dGPU, I really need to save so much cash, so pricey. its the only laptop worth its cost though. so capable and I love the idea that I can baby it(with the usual repairs like battery and keyboard/trackpad) and the internals can be shelved or repurposed.
my friend got one before me. Imagine how jealous I am and gushing in fanboy-ish enthusiasm.
Any friends of mine who got a framework 16 would be at risk of losing an expensive laptop
Here's my ass with an i5-9400 and an RX 580 playing all the games i want at medium. Love this PC lol
Still have a PC after 12 years that my brother is using
I built my current rig like a month before the COVID lockdowns. Still runs everything on high/ultra even without DLSS (because my 1660 Super is too old to have it) or FSR (in fact, turning FSR on usually makes things worse).
Really, the only game recently released that hasn't given me full 60FPS@1080p consistently is Starfield. But it does run, it runs at 30-40 most of the time and can get 60 in interior cells and I never had it crash on me the whole way through my one, solitary playthrough. Which says a lot considering the track record of stability and performance of Bethesda's games and the fact that my hardware isn't even supported; it's technically below the minimum requirements.
My friend why are you acting like 5 years old is old. That's pretty much the same console generation, never mind a serviceable age for PC hardware.
My brother in Christ, the meme itself is talking about a 6 year old machine.
I'm still using the i7 I built up back in 2017 or so... Upgraded to SSD some years ago, will be upping the ram to 64gigs (max the mb can handle) in a few days when it arrives...
there is no way in hell a 2014 computer is able to run modern games on medium settings at all, let alone running well. my four year old computer (Ryzen 5 4000, GTX 1650, 16 GB RAM) can barely get 30-40 fps on most modern games at 1080p even on the absolute lowest settings. don't get me wrong, it should still work fine. however, almost no modern games are optimized at all and the "low" settings are all super fucking high now, so anon is lying out of his ass.
It says the story took place in 2020. And that it played "Most games" on medium settings. 30-40 fps is playable to a lot of people. I'm inclined to believe them.
My $90US AWOW mini with Celeron J4125, 8 gigs of shared memory, 128gig SSD seems to run FreeDoom as good as any of the other potatos them GamerBoi fancy water cooled custom boxes have.........
Who needs more than freedoom?
My i5 3450 is really showing its limits, but I'm broke as fuck 🤷
Greentext based AF for once.
I'm upgrading my circa 2014 PC this year, plan on rolling with this fella for another decade.
I've been rocking a 1080ti since launch. Upgraded my 4th gen i7 to a 9th gen i9 on a sale a few years back. SSD upgraded when I got some that were going to be recycled.
Eventually I want to move to team red for linux compatibility. Other than that, I am sticking with what I have. (Doesn't help that I have 2 small children that all my money goes to. )
My current PC is an asus rog with a gtx 1070 (and a piece of shit screen that gets all fucky if it heats) that I bought used, back in late 2019. The old hard drive failed some time ago and I had to change it, sometimes the main SSD seems to get strangely fucky (BSODs followed by disk scans), too, as does the memory (BSODs about "corrupted_page_memory", also complete freezes under Linux Mint, not even ctrl alt F1 worked), which makes me think the components aren't exactly high quality (considering how shitty the screen is and asus in general in the past years, that's no surprise)
Still, I fully intend to keep this bad boy as my main workhorse for at least another 2 years, possibly longer. After that, I'll probably relegate it to being the party game machine.
5 years here, a lower-end purchase to begin with. Still works fine. Only a few games I need to lower to True Potato settings to run.
Hey, mine is from 2014 too! runs linux and is fast enough for minecraft at 30fps and the sims 4.
I usually wanted to upgrade my old PC (GTX970) 2 years ago, ended up buying a cheaper PS5 and a used MacBook for cheaper than the PC upgrade. PC still runs fine, is still in use. Also: the M1 MacBook Air is an emulation beast.
The hw might've been cheaper but a console will end up being more expensive than a pc in the long run. Not to mention that the only input method available is a controller. There are quite a few games I would only olay with a kb+mouse so, for some people, a console is not even an option.
If you don’t play online and have the patience to wait until you can get games used or deals, consoles can still be worth it.
I’m a PC gamer but the only games that I play online are in the realm of Minecraft, FallGuys, Raft or Stardew Valley which would run on almost any machine. I also don’t really play shooters or strategy games so there’s basically nothing I‘d need a mouse n keyboard for either.
I have even thought about just getting a PS or XBOX but I ended up upgrading my PC a little to near PS5 performance with a used cheap 5700xt for a little more than half the price of a new PS5. But if you can’t do that and would have to build sth from scratch, keeping your old PC and getting a console might be worth it. Even more so, now that you can get good deals on used current gen consoles.
My way of thinking it is that I'll always have a pc (gaming or otherwise) so I much prefer to add the extra cash to upgrade that rather than buy a console. My point being that I never pay the "full price" of the pc because I would spend at least half as much buying a "basic" computer.
Regarding used current gen consoles, that depends on where you live. In my country, for example, a used ps5 costs about 700 vs 800 new. It really doesn't make any sense.
Yea, a used PS5 disc edition here is like 400€ vs 500€ new. It’s not a huge difference but it’s noticeable. For 400€ you probably won’t get a decent gaming PC, let alone one that can match a PS5.
And what you’re saying is fair, if you start from scratch. 500€ PC + 500€ Console might as well be a 1000€ PC. However, if you already have a 10 year old PC (like GTX 970 class or similar), upgrading that to current gen spec isn’t gonna work but it’s still fine for a lot of older and less demanding games and for day to day stuff anyways. Makes replacing it a much harder sell, since you’ll be lucky to get 200€ back if you sold the old machine.
Not saying that this makes sense for everyone. I myself would rather scavenge used part deals on the web but that’s not viable for people without the technical knowledge.
Which is partly why I upgrade at least 1 component every 1.5/2 years. You can still sell the old part for a decent price. But, like you said, it's not for everyone. Some people might prefer to buy a console and use it until it's completely obsolete.
Oh, I don’t care if a game is new. 90% of all my console games are physical and second hand / used.
I had to replace my computer because it died.
Still on Sandy Lake/Fermi
I just bought a new machine!
It's a 2020 to replace my 2016 that I got in 2016.
This one should do for a while.
I could say I still run my 2014 (or 15, I don't remember) PC, but it's Ship of Theseus'd at this point, the only OG parts left are the CPU, PSU, case, and mobo.
My main steed is an HP ZBook from 2014, and it is a powerful and fast computer.
My wife is on a 1070 and I am on a 2070 both on 1440p her fave game is 7d2d runs perfect.
Just a heads up that this isn't an acronym people know. I consider myself knowledgeable about gaming, and I had to look it up.
Fair point we are so into that ecosystem I didn't even think lol
I upgraded and the new graphics card makes a buzzing sound. It seems low quality despite the high price.
Some grease on the cooling fans might be enough to quiet it down, or tightening the screws, those are usually the culprits behind such buzz
I think it's like electrical coil whine.
Instructions unclear, lube is being splattered everywhere.
Same, same. Except I don't really play games, but use the computer for other hobbies. It's still plenty fast and does everything I need it to do. So why buy something that does exactly the same, just is newer and looks different?
When talking about hardware, if it works for you keep using it till it doesn't work. But when talking about desktop operating systems, you should be aware when it loses security updates support and try to upgrade to different one that works for you but has better security updates.
2017 PC here, built it when first Ryzens came about, still having Ryzen 5 1600X+GTX 1060 6gb as my config.
Perfectly good for everything I play (except Star Citizen, but that could be for the better, lol, less money squeezing)
Most modern games run just fine, and I don't feel I miss out on much.
My PC is still largely the same, in general spirit, as when I built it (c 2014-2015). But I have had to upgrade some key components over time. First was the move from a 1TB WD Blue HDD to a Samsung 860 Pro 128GB SSD (for my OS's drive), and, related to that, at some point soon after, I moved my games drive from an HDD to an SSD. Next, I upgraded my GPU from an Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 to a Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080. This build state lasted a decently long time until I switched from Windows to Linux, so I switched my Nvidia GPU to an AMD Radeon RX 6600 (not exactly an upgrade, but more of a side-grade) to improve the user experience. The most recent change (last year, iirc?) was upgrading my RAM from 8GB DDR3, to 16GB DDR3. My CPU (Intel Core i5-4690k) is starting to really show its age, though, so I've been wanting to upgrade that, but that will likely entail a near rebuild of my entire system, so I've been avoiding it, but, unfortunately, it's increasingly becoming more of an issue.
Yeah those Jones boys are a litist bunch
My only concern would be if anon maintains his PC. Sure, anon bought the PC in 2014 abd never upgraded... But dies anon at least open it up once in a while to clean it out or switch the thermal paste?
Gamers on Discord are "normies"? What a take, lol
Yeah it's pretty normal...
A lot of people use discord to hang out with their friends.
Not me though, I have no friends.
A lot of people have forgotten gaming and talking about gaming on discord is not the norm. However, in 4chanspeak, "normie" just means "not an incel".
I’m running a 2015 MacBook Pro still. I’m not spending $2k+ on a computer again anytime soon.
You could spend ~$1k for similar specs if you don't go Apple.
I grew up in the 90s. I prefer apple I had windows for years, endless problems. Macs just work and last forever. My Mac before 2015 was a 2007.
And no, I’m not installing Linux.
Use what works I guess. I personally don't like macOS (I have to use it at work), and I'm not really a fan of the hardware anyway, but my brother's family likes them, so they definitely have a target audience.
Yeah I love Mac OS. Granted I’m running an old version so who knows how the current OS is but I’m happy with what I have and probably won’t replace it for some time.
I used to work as a designer, the constant need to update my equipment to stay current with software made me leave the profession (not to mention adobes money grabbing bullshit). I can’t afford to spend a few grand every couple years just to freelance and have my income wildly fluctuate. Since I wasn’t able or willing to keep up with the expensive updates i quit entirely and now I’m too outdated in the software used these days to be hired even though I have all the theory and knowledge sitting in my brain.
The joys of being an American graduating into the 2008 recession and never getting a proper job that I studied for. Or having the pay expectations from employers who are used to hiring freelancers from third world countries and think indentured servant labor is acceptable over here. Fuck this country and fuck capitalism with a fucking cactus.
My work laptop is a 2019 MBP (last Intel one), and the OS hasn't really changed since I got it. So I don't think it's that.
I'm just used to Linux, and all the macOS stuff gets in the way. It also doesn't seem noticeably faster than my 2018 Thinkpad that I bought new for $500 or so, and battery life is somehow worse. The newer M-series chips my coworkers have are noticeably better, and I'm up for replacement soon, so maybe I'll change my opinion.
I'm a developer, and I mostly got my workflow working with tmux, vim, and VSCode, but it feels like I'm "doing it wrong." I don't like the trackpad and gestures, I miss the mouse buttons at the top of the trackpad (esp with the trackpoint), and my keyboard shortcuts don't work properly (it's a lot better with "Rectangle" though). I use Macports and those all break with every major upgrade, and upgrades take forever (I'm used to rolling Linux releases).
I still prefer my 2018 Thinkpad to my 2019 MBP. I really don't understand what everyone sees in it, but I'm stuck with it as long as I stay with my company. It works for a lot of people though.
I'm a few years younger than you then. I was in school during the recession and got my first real job a few years after as things were recovering.
Good luck! I hope you find something good.
I know someone like this, who also insisted that windows 7 was just better
He back tracked immediately after a system upgrade, updated to win 10 and started bragging about his specs
Agreed
https://lemmy.ml/post/22128818
https://lemmy.ml/post/19995508
I always keep my PCs for about 8 years. Usually it is necessary to update the HDD/SSD and the GPU during that time, that is all. Mine will be 4 years old by the end of this year. I am now actively checking out 4TB SSDs in order to replace my current 1TB SSD.
This strategy may stop to work unfortunately. With the advent of ARM in desktop PCs, the PCs seem to become more monolithic. RAM and GPU not swappable, I think MACs don't even allow you to plop in more RAM. I don't like this development.
what? what PCs are you talking about that don't have swappable components? and how are those relevant? MACs is referring to something different than apple?
I think he's talking about with ARM-based systems things tend to be more monolithic.
I don't know that this is true, I haven't read enough about them.
I got that much... what it has to do with PCs post Y2K is where I'm lost..... .... .....
👌👍 your definitely playing games on medium with a 980 class card.
You enjoy your 20fps.
👌👍
If you want to play at 15 fps go ahead. I never never said you needed 120fps. Only that the comment about performance is bullshit. The vast majority of gamers would laugh you out of the room.
It still works tho.
Yeah, if your top priority is being a technically correct pedantic and argumentive neckbeard who uses ackutually too often.
I'm just imagining your response over video game developers who publish unoptimized games. I'm sure it's too the same standard 🙄.
It still works tho.
Is /c/selfawarewolves a thing yet?
If not it needs to be.