It's 54 degrees Fahrenheit (12 Celsius), raining moderately hard, the rain is cold, and there's a guy blowing around wet leaves with a leaf blower. What the hell is the obsession with leaf blowers?
You're having a rough day. Seems like everybody wants a piece of you and they aren't kind about it. So you put on some ear protection, grab your leaf blower and step outside. Nobody bothers you out there. The leaf blower yells nonstop the way you wish you could and even though you aren't doing the yelling, there is still something cathartic about the noise. It creates a bubble where you are left alone. As the minutes pass and the debris collects into neat little piles, you can slowly regain your calm. The urge to explode, unleashing your anger and frustration, in an irreparable way ebbs and you feel like you can hold your shit together for a little while longer.
Or they are in a feud with their neighbors and are trying to piss them off.
Huh......apperently I have natural leaf blower bubble going on.
See, the trick is, other people try to push me around, and try to tske their anger out on me, and I look them dead in their eyes, with my cold dead inside eyes, and I say.....
"You could die tomorrow and I wouldn't even notice that you left".
See, the trick to life is to not cause hassle for others, but otherwise not give a shit about anyone or anything. To truely become at peace with the idea that none of this matters. Your life, others lives, the elections, the results of things, none of it matters. People don't matter. Media doesn't matter. Life doesn't matter. And once people realize that you are an unfeeling, uncaring, enempathetic to anything miserable piece of shit who wouldn't feel a thing if an atomic bomb went off, they generally tend to leave you alone. Because you don't want to piss off the guy who doesn't feel anything, with nothing left to lose, and nothing to gain. I am the Milton of my universe, and one wrong move could cause me to burn this tinderbox to the ground. Then walk away without remorse.
Every moment of their lives is filled with hatred, fear, misery and self-loathing though.
It is not possible to make the following statements and have them both be true: "I feel nothing" "I'm miserable". So it's clear they are in a world of deep emotional pain and burden, and that simply existing is a form of relentless torture.
Nobody deserves to feel or live that way. There's nothing "centered" :(
edit: But JOY! It doesn't need to be that way. I'm living proof that internal change is possible because I used to feel the way that man feels.
There's a "black hole", humanity's beyond the event horizon, and barely anyone even acknowledges the existence of any of it.
But, no matter how hard one tries to sink into the void they cannot deny the human paradigm. Complex communication of the hypothetical us all that defines our species from the other animals. A human's meaning-of-life is, at the root, the same as everyone else's.
Above:
Ecclesiastes by King Solomon
"All we need to do is make sure we keep talking" by Stephen Hawking, British Telecom advertisement (1993)
Continuing:
Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton
Interstellar directed by Christopher Nolan
If any of this resonates with you then I'd be happy to have a conversation. This account should be active until March-ish.
If a genie told me I could erase all land-mines or two-stroke leaf-blowers, I'd choose landmines, but the silence while I considered would be uncomfortably long.
Yeah we saw one of our neighbors watering the storm drain. But also recently she drove from her driveway to ours - literally got in her car, backed out the driveway then immediate turn into ours, to come ask a question. Then got back in her car, backed out of our driveway and immediate turn into hers. So I think she is just crazy.
You're welcome to come blow my yard whenever you want some free entertainment. I even have two different leaf blowers you can choose from! One is a two-stroke backpack dealio, and the other is a hand-held electric jobbie.
The issue I have with these is the parts and batteries are awful for recycling. An engine is all metal and once the oil is drained there are no hazardous to nature parts. Plastic is made from oil so are these environmentally friendly? Especially if the batteries only last a few years?
You are overlooking the pollution the emit while running, which is considerable, especially 2-stroke ones. A gas leaf blower used for an hour emits the same air pollution as driving 1,100 miles (source).
And the fact that that oil has to be changed periodically. They also have many plastic parts AND small engines have a notoriously high failure rate when used with ethanol fuels.
Meanwhile, the electric motors in battery ones basically run forever and properly cared for the batteries last many years, after which they can be recycled.
It's also more expensive than a few years ago, just depends on how many years ago you mean. Either way, it doesn't make it more economical than electricity.
Are you in IL? I just saw my neighbor doing that, but he has dementia. I think there are to many people who want a manicured lawn. Personally I don't see why so many people like that.
I tried making my front lawn all wild flowers. The town had other ideas and sent me a warning to mow my lawn even though at that point my lawn was solid flowers. It is now a mix of dried out grass, sandy bare spots, and cigarette butts from the sidewalk traffic going to the Casino across the street. I tried watering my lawn the first year here and my water bill was nuts.
For a while I had retired neighbors on two sides of the house who insisted on mowing multiple times a week. Their grass would be so freaking dead and brown by late summer even with watering, meanwhile my lawn which I mow every 2-3 weeks depending on the season (late summer it grows slower so I give it longer) never needed a lick of extra water and is still green today
As it happens, it's about 10 C (50 F) near me and raining, and I did actually think about using my leaf blower for a very specific purpose: blowing the leaves clear of the road gutters.
I saw outside my window that the autumn leaves formed a dam in the gutter, impounding an amount of water which started diverting onto the asphalt and the sidewalk. From what little I know about road construction, water intrusion is the greater enemy so I didn't want to let the small pond sit there.
In the end, I just picked the leaves up by hand to remove the obstruction. But if I had a lot more streetfront, leaf blower would be the first tool to come to mind. But it would take no more than 10 minutes total.
I find this is often the case. People want to make noise because they want other people to notice them or because they have oppositional defiant disorder and like to piss off people.
Honestly, it's just fun to blow leaves or snow. It's a mindless puttering activity that lets you improve your home area and be mildly active.
Unfortunately what happens is people's general tendency to think about themselves and nobody else. So they're self-satisfied in their reasons for being out there, not thinking about the dude next door that works nights and can't sleep, and even his construction-grade noise headphones don't help. Or the dude that just wants to listen to jazz quietly.
The leaf blower people are well-meaning people with mild mental illness who are just selfish enough not to realize their home/self care is annoying others. e: A lot of times the guy just needs to get the F away from their spouse. I've lived near leaf blower people and they're invariably older married (sometimes retired) men. Never women.
A leaf blower is far superior for getting leaves out of corners and other spaces smaller than a rake, especially if the leaves are small or falling apart.
I have an electric one that isn't that loud, and I generally use it for edges and then rake up the open spaces.
I'm a newly-minted leaf-blower convert but for specific purposes. I do not have any type of lawn. I freakin' hated the things but got a small battery-operated one to make fire prep** a bit easier. I found it satisfying in the same way I enjoy pressure washing.
** I live in a high risk fire zone - we remove anything remotely flammable from around the house and outbuildings. It sucks.
I once thought so, but in my experience with maples and fir needles it works really well. Much easier than raking for wet stuff. Of course, the correct way is to wait until all of the leaves have fallen (enjoy Autumn to its fullest) and then round them up once for the whole season. Every week or two is why everyone hates leaf blowers.
We need to remove them from my driveway because they get slippery and it's on a hill, but otherwise we try to leave them for the insects and the birds, etc.
I don’t think so. And it was a LOT of leaves. We’re talking big holes. He would dig a hole, put in the leaves, and stand there with a string trimmer, blasting away at them. Then cover them up. It was especially odd because the city collects them for free. All you have to do is blow/rake them into a pile on the street.
If you live in the suburbs, during the fall, you can't have a peaceful weekend because there will always be at least one person using a leaf blower nearby. And they're loud and bad for the environment.
Where I live, gas ones are illegal but that doesn’t stop all the leaf blowers choking the air with gas fumes. I literally have to turn on an air purifier to get rid of the smell.
Granted my apartment isn’t exactly a commercial workspace, but nothing is more infuriating than having to close all the doors/windows to my apartment when I’m in the middle of some huge programming problem. It instantly breaks apart the 10 things going on in my mental queue.
I've considered getting an electric one to blow all the dust out of my shop/warehouse, but I can't justify the cost. I need a good shop/push broom and Japan doesn't seem to like those (at least anywhere that I've looked).
I agree. I mean usually 30 will be snow but basically onces its below 40 I would prefer below 30 if precipitation is involved. cold rain is the worst. seeps in and you have to let your jacket and such dry and if you have to go out before they dry. ugh.
You can dress appropriately for -40-50 and still be reasonably commfie for extended periods.
Particularly if you stay dry.
But it’s impossible to stay dry in persistent drizzle or heavy rain. At best you’re wearing several layers of wool and you’re warm but damp and miserable.
Impermeable shells require venting opening you to the cold wet seepage, and permeable shells will eventually fail if you stay out long enough.
Oh ffs, this entire thread is a pissing match between people dispersed in multiple climates.
I’ve lived in -40°F winters but I’m sat here in SoCal tonight with 50°F nighttime lows freezing my ass off.
How is that possible? It’s called acclimation. Go to a climate opposite of yours sometime for at least two weeks then come back. You’ll probably notice real quick that your home climate is the one that feels weird because you’ve acclimated to your new climate.
I’m well aware of that. I’ve spent time in tropical area as, was born in Oceanside and now live in MN.
That mid-50’s are time for winter jackets in SoCal doesn’t change the fact that people can dress for -40’s and be reasonably comfortable.
30’s and wet is an entirely different matter. As I said. That shit seeps. (It’d also some of the most dangerous. More people die of hypothermia in 40-50’s than they do the very cold. Probably because they don’t respect it as much.)
In my experience I can't really feel any difference below zero, whether it's -5 -20 or -40, I just can tell that I have less time outside before it's too cold to stay out
Rain is not necessarily cold by the time it lands, it has a certain ability to sap and dissipate heat as it evaporates. The ceramic tiles in your house aren't really "colder" than you, but they feel cold because they are very good and transfering heat away from you.
If youre into pedantic debates about properties of molecules, I suggest looking into why water is not wet, and the fan base
They have poor thermal conductivity compared to something like metal, but still much better than fabrics or wood. They also have a high thermal mass.
Tiles are a bit cooler not because they are lower in the room, but because they easily lose heat to the air. They aren't that much cooler though, and a piece of wood the same temp would feel much warmer.
You can hold a ceramic tile in your hand and apply a blowtorch to the other side. They’re better insulators than conductors. That’s why you see ceramics used for insulating hot food bowls from wooden tables, or a more extreme example, ceramic tiles on re-entry vehicles. Ceramic is not a good conductor of heat.
Wood is about 0.1 W/mK, ceramics about 1 W/mK, and copper is about 400 W/mK.
The ceramic tiles in your house aren't really "colder" than you
Yes, quite literally they are colder. You can measure this with a thermometer. A more apt comparison would be ceramic floor vs wood flooring, or ceramic vs air temp, as all this flooring is at identical temperatures, yet feels different to the touch.
Tiles do not feel cooler because they “easily lose heat to the air”. Quite the opposite; they take longer to heat or cool than fabric or wood due to their thermal mass. This is also why they feel cooler to the touch. Your body can warm the low mass of fabric or wood faster than it can ceramic, thus those materials feel less cold when you step on them.
If you’re going to be pedantic, at least do it right.
I cannot discern the difference between my arguments and yours. You just used more words? We're saying the same thing, except I was making a joke about pedantry.
You’re correctly identifying thermal mass as why they feel cooler to the touch, but this is mixed up in some incorrect and contradictory statements. You seem to keep changing your reasoning behind why tiles feel cooler to the touch.
The ceramic tiles in your house aren't really "colder" than you
This is incorrect, and why I replied to begin with.
Flooring is colder than your skin, regardless of the material, unless your floor temp is above 92℉ (33.5℃). You can measure this with a thermometer. If something is the same temperature as your skin you won’t feel anything - there’s no heat transfer. You could have a copper floor if it was the same temperature as your skin, you wouldn’t feel a thing.
[Ceramic tiles] also have a high thermal mass … they easily lose heat to the air.
These two statements are directly contradicting one another. High thermal mass means it takes a longer time to lose heat to the air. Given identical conditions, ceramic will take longer to change temperature than fabric. For example, if you opened a window and it was 40℉ outside, the carpet would drop in temperature faster than the ceramic tile. It wouldn't feel this way to your skin, but it could be measured with a thermometer.
That thermal mass is why tiles feel cooler than carpet. Your body has no issue warming the fibers in carpet next to your skin to the same temperature as your skin, it's harder to warm up the tile because of the thermal mass.
That actually depends entirely on where you're at. That would be positively tropical to someone in Minnesota, but to someone in Arizona I almost can guarantee you that would be freezing.
"why is my neighbor doing [something]" is a question better suited for the neighbor than Lemmy. But if you must, asklemmy would be a significantly more appropriate community to be asking.
You're having a rough day. Seems like everybody wants a piece of you and they aren't kind about it. So you put on some ear protection, grab your leaf blower and step outside. Nobody bothers you out there. The leaf blower yells nonstop the way you wish you could and even though you aren't doing the yelling, there is still something cathartic about the noise. It creates a bubble where you are left alone. As the minutes pass and the debris collects into neat little piles, you can slowly regain your calm. The urge to explode, unleashing your anger and frustration, in an irreparable way ebbs and you feel like you can hold your shit together for a little while longer.
Or they are in a feud with their neighbors and are trying to piss them off.
I though for sure this would end in the hell in a cell copy pasta.
Or jumper cables.
Haven't seen that one before.
They're for connecting to a car battery and a dead car battery to jump start the dead one. Pretty common really.
I walked right into that.
But that's not important right now
Well, I can make a hat, or a broach, or a pterodactyl!
That one's not really pasta, it's rogersimon10:
https://cheezburger.com/7801861/19-times-the-dark-humored-jumper-cables-guy-trolled-reddit
It is home made pasta.
Or homasta, if you will.
What leaf blower allows for neat little piles?
One in the hands of an experienced operator.
Huh......apperently I have natural leaf blower bubble going on.
See, the trick is, other people try to push me around, and try to tske their anger out on me, and I look them dead in their eyes, with my cold dead inside eyes, and I say.....
"You could die tomorrow and I wouldn't even notice that you left".
See, the trick to life is to not cause hassle for others, but otherwise not give a shit about anyone or anything. To truely become at peace with the idea that none of this matters. Your life, others lives, the elections, the results of things, none of it matters. People don't matter. Media doesn't matter. Life doesn't matter. And once people realize that you are an unfeeling, uncaring, enempathetic to anything miserable piece of shit who wouldn't feel a thing if an atomic bomb went off, they generally tend to leave you alone. Because you don't want to piss off the guy who doesn't feel anything, with nothing left to lose, and nothing to gain. I am the Milton of my universe, and one wrong move could cause me to burn this tinderbox to the ground. Then walk away without remorse.
Help is available. I mean it and I will help you find more help. You don't deserve to suffer in the way you've described.
Sounds like they suffer less than a lot of people. At least they found their center.
Every moment of their lives is filled with hatred, fear, misery and self-loathing though.
It is not possible to make the following statements and have them both be true: "I feel nothing" "I'm miserable". So it's clear they are in a world of deep emotional pain and burden, and that simply existing is a form of relentless torture.
Nobody deserves to feel or live that way. There's nothing "centered" :(
edit: But JOY! It doesn't need to be that way. I'm living proof that internal change is possible because I used to feel the way that man feels.
There's a "black hole", humanity's beyond the event horizon, and barely anyone even acknowledges the existence of any of it.
But, no matter how hard one tries to sink into the void they cannot deny the human paradigm. Complex communication of the hypothetical us all that defines our species from the other animals. A human's meaning-of-life is, at the root, the same as everyone else's.
Above:
Ecclesiastes by King Solomon
"All we need to do is make sure we keep talking" by Stephen Hawking, British Telecom advertisement (1993)
Continuing:
Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton
Interstellar directed by Christopher Nolan
If any of this resonates with you then I'd be happy to have a conversation. This account should be active until March-ish.
What will happen in March?
Username checks out.
If a genie told me I could erase all land-mines or two-stroke leaf-blowers, I'd choose landmines, but the silence while I considered would be uncomfortably long.
This comment is magic lol
Even electric blowers are extremely loud. I have both varieties, and both require ear protection for extended use.
Well I ain't gonna get down on my knees and blow them myself
And that's why I'm leafing you!
Why don't you make like a tree, and get out of here?
Dammit, this should be the top comment.
No, it should be buried
Under a pile of leaves maybe
The leaves must blow.
Kwisatz Daderach
"they must not be scattered, mess is the mind killer"
One of my neighbours sometimes hoses down her driveway in the pouring rain. Who knows why neighbours do the things they do.
Are they ex military? Are they an ASVAB waiver? Did they used to get told to mop up the rain too?
Yeah we saw one of our neighbors watering the storm drain. But also recently she drove from her driveway to ours - literally got in her car, backed out the driveway then immediate turn into ours, to come ask a question. Then got back in her car, backed out of our driveway and immediate turn into hers. So I think she is just crazy.
Probably to hose off sentiment run off
Are those the sentiments that appeared when she ran off?
I once inquired about this very practice. I've been told it's because:
That all make sense to me if these idiots had a pressure washer, but its always a normal hose with a nozzle..
There may be something falling from trees that stains?
This was during the summer. The only thing might be bird poop?
Free pre-soak
I just got a 765cfm battery-powered leaf blower and...
...it's so much fun. Mindlessly entertaining. I don't even care if I just blow the leaves back and forth, it's just...weirdly fun.
Also fun to blow random things around the house until someone gets mad.
Hey, this guy knows my ex-wife. tugs collar
Is her number still 867-5309?
My puppy loses his shit when I aim the leaf blower towards him.
You're welcome to come blow my yard whenever you want some free entertainment. I even have two different leaf blowers you can choose from! One is a two-stroke backpack dealio, and the other is a hand-held electric jobbie.
Either the boss said he had to do it, our his homelife is so bad, that blowing leaves is an improvement.
I really hate leaf blowers.
I really like turtles
I remember that. LOL.
Gas blowers are about half the purchase price. And in this 'first thing I looked up' match up, are slightly better speced and higher rated.
The issue I have with these is the parts and batteries are awful for recycling. An engine is all metal and once the oil is drained there are no hazardous to nature parts. Plastic is made from oil so are these environmentally friendly? Especially if the batteries only last a few years?
I just get corded electric. Never have to worry about it running out of juice that way. Though, it does mean there are limits to what you can get.
You are overlooking the pollution the emit while running, which is considerable, especially 2-stroke ones. A gas leaf blower used for an hour emits the same air pollution as driving 1,100 miles (source).
And the fact that that oil has to be changed periodically. They also have many plastic parts AND small engines have a notoriously high failure rate when used with ethanol fuels.
Meanwhile, the electric motors in battery ones basically run forever and properly cared for the batteries last many years, after which they can be recycled.
Good thing gas is so cheap...
It is cheaper now than a few years ago.
It's also more expensive than a few years ago, just depends on how many years ago you mean. Either way, it doesn't make it more economical than electricity.
Or you can just buy a cheaper one.
Are you in IL? I just saw my neighbor doing that, but he has dementia. I think there are to many people who want a manicured lawn. Personally I don't see why so many people like that.
if I ever live somewhere with a garden, I'm ripping out the grass and planting a dandelawn.
Or moss!
Moss is cool too!
I've got quite a lot of moss in my backyard. The only downside is less traction. My backyard isn't super hilly, but it's no where near flat.
I tried making my front lawn all wild flowers. The town had other ideas and sent me a warning to mow my lawn even though at that point my lawn was solid flowers. It is now a mix of dried out grass, sandy bare spots, and cigarette butts from the sidewalk traffic going to the Casino across the street. I tried watering my lawn the first year here and my water bill was nuts.
Because they have absolutely nothing better going on in their life.
For a while I had retired neighbors on two sides of the house who insisted on mowing multiple times a week. Their grass would be so freaking dead and brown by late summer even with watering, meanwhile my lawn which I mow every 2-3 weeks depending on the season (late summer it grows slower so I give it longer) never needed a lick of extra water and is still green today
Petromasculinity?
Good word, I like it
It's from Cara Daggett :)
I'm petty sure it was on Wikipedia as well, but I can't seem to find it anymore.
As it happens, it's about 10 C (50 F) near me and raining, and I did actually think about using my leaf blower for a very specific purpose: blowing the leaves clear of the road gutters.
I saw outside my window that the autumn leaves formed a dam in the gutter, impounding an amount of water which started diverting onto the asphalt and the sidewalk. From what little I know about road construction, water intrusion is the greater enemy so I didn't want to let the small pond sit there.
In the end, I just picked the leaves up by hand to remove the obstruction. But if I had a lot more streetfront, leaf blower would be the first tool to come to mind. But it would take no more than 10 minutes total.
Making noise.
I find this is often the case. People want to make noise because they want other people to notice them or because they have oppositional defiant disorder and like to piss off people.
Honestly, it's just fun to blow leaves or snow. It's a mindless puttering activity that lets you improve your home area and be mildly active.
Unfortunately what happens is people's general tendency to think about themselves and nobody else. So they're self-satisfied in their reasons for being out there, not thinking about the dude next door that works nights and can't sleep, and even his construction-grade noise headphones don't help. Or the dude that just wants to listen to jazz quietly.
The leaf blower people are well-meaning people with mild mental illness who are just selfish enough not to realize their home/self care is annoying others. e: A lot of times the guy just needs to get the F away from their spouse. I've lived near leaf blower people and they're invariably older married (sometimes retired) men. Never women.
I feel like a rake would be a better alternative on all accounts
Plus, you can leave it in awkward places as a trap!
doinggg!!!
I miss the internet being like this. I like this
A leaf blower is far superior for getting leaves out of corners and other spaces smaller than a rake, especially if the leaves are small or falling apart.
I have an electric one that isn't that loud, and I generally use it for edges and then rake up the open spaces.
I'm a newly-minted leaf-blower convert but for specific purposes. I do not have any type of lawn. I freakin' hated the things but got a small battery-operated one to make fire prep** a bit easier. I found it satisfying in the same way I enjoy pressure washing.
** I live in a high risk fire zone - we remove anything remotely flammable from around the house and outbuildings. It sucks.
Ok fine, have a cookie.
Do you remove flammable things by burning them?
Not often. Mostly wood chip and compost.
One does not simply blow wet leaves with a leaf blower. It is folly.
I once thought so, but in my experience with maples and fir needles it works really well. Much easier than raking for wet stuff. Of course, the correct way is to wait until all of the leaves have fallen (enjoy Autumn to its fullest) and then round them up once for the whole season. Every week or two is why everyone hates leaf blowers.
Or just leave them. Leaves are good, people. If you can, leave your leaves.
We need to remove them from my driveway because they get slippery and it's on a hill, but otherwise we try to leave them for the insects and the birds, etc.
Yeah, in the yard, though, not the driveway, that's all.
Shit, I collect leaves from the neighbors who throw them away. A huge pile of leaves makes the plants very happy.
I like using leaf blower, don't like listening to leaf blower.
I had a neighbor for a while that ran his gas blower for a couple hours EVERY DAY. I think he had some sort of PTSD trauma and it soothed him.
He also dug holes in his backyard to bury leaves. Quite a ….. character.
Would that make them compost faster?
Probably not, air is an ingredient in compost. It's why compost barrels spin.
I don’t think so. And it was a LOT of leaves. We’re talking big holes. He would dig a hole, put in the leaves, and stand there with a string trimmer, blasting away at them. Then cover them up. It was especially odd because the city collects them for free. All you have to do is blow/rake them into a pile on the street.
Because the day already sucks so much…
Someone probably told them they were gonna be outlawed soon for their noise
Um leafblowers are portable jets and just as fun as an air-compressor.
What is with the leaf blower hate around here? Must be a Yankee thing, never hear them around here.
And if you live in an apartment complex, they have to clear the leaves. They get slippery. You do the math.
If you live in the suburbs, during the fall, you can't have a peaceful weekend because there will always be at least one person using a leaf blower nearby. And they're loud and bad for the environment.
Where I live, gas ones are illegal but that doesn’t stop all the leaf blowers choking the air with gas fumes. I literally have to turn on an air purifier to get rid of the smell.
Granted my apartment isn’t exactly a commercial workspace, but nothing is more infuriating than having to close all the doors/windows to my apartment when I’m in the middle of some huge programming problem. It instantly breaks apart the 10 things going on in my mental queue.
It’s because he can’t use his chain saw on anything.
'Murica.
I've considered getting an electric one to blow all the dust out of my shop/warehouse, but I can't justify the cost. I need a good shop/push broom and Japan doesn't seem to like those (at least anywhere that I've looked).
That would just blow the dust everywhere. You need a broom or a shop vac.
I have an electric blower. But I use it to clean my gutters.
I saw this exact thing getting off the highway by the first gas station near a pizza place today in Everett.
Ever tried that Leaf Blower Idle game?
It's like a hair dryer for lawns, leaves are the dandruff.
I don't think you know what hair dryers are for...
Dude's head is like a blizzard
Blow me
54 degree fahrenheit is cold? not where im from. Now the under 40 degree rain we just had. that was cold.
When it’s rainy? It’s rather unpleasant. It’s not the worst. That’s 30’s and rainy. (0c)
That shit seeps and nothing wholesome ever seeps.
Give me -40 and snowy any day over freezing and wet.
I agree. I mean usually 30 will be snow but basically onces its below 40 I would prefer below 30 if precipitation is involved. cold rain is the worst. seeps in and you have to let your jacket and such dry and if you have to go out before they dry. ugh.
Sloppy nasty snow.
Or worse. That poorly defined stuff that’s not sleet, not snow, and not rain. And the worst of all of it.
yeah when it comes down to it, its about being wet over dry. Like when it melts once it touches you. If I can stay dry its much better.
Things get pretty uncomfortable when you get below -20.
You can dress appropriately for -40-50 and still be reasonably commfie for extended periods.
Particularly if you stay dry.
But it’s impossible to stay dry in persistent drizzle or heavy rain. At best you’re wearing several layers of wool and you’re warm but damp and miserable.
Impermeable shells require venting opening you to the cold wet seepage, and permeable shells will eventually fail if you stay out long enough.
Oh ffs, this entire thread is a pissing match between people dispersed in multiple climates.
I’ve lived in -40°F winters but I’m sat here in SoCal tonight with 50°F nighttime lows freezing my ass off.
How is that possible? It’s called acclimation. Go to a climate opposite of yours sometime for at least two weeks then come back. You’ll probably notice real quick that your home climate is the one that feels weird because you’ve acclimated to your new climate.
I’m well aware of that. I’ve spent time in tropical area as, was born in Oceanside and now live in MN.
That mid-50’s are time for winter jackets in SoCal doesn’t change the fact that people can dress for -40’s and be reasonably comfortable.
30’s and wet is an entirely different matter. As I said. That shit seeps. (It’d also some of the most dangerous. More people die of hypothermia in 40-50’s than they do the very cold. Probably because they don’t respect it as much.)
In my experience I can't really feel any difference below zero, whether it's -5 -20 or -40, I just can tell that I have less time outside before it's too cold to stay out
Depending on where you are, even 60F can be considered cold.
54°F isn't cold.
Yea but the rain is cold
Rain is not necessarily cold by the time it lands, it has a certain ability to sap and dissipate heat as it evaporates. The ceramic tiles in your house aren't really "colder" than you, but they feel cold because they are very good and transfering heat away from you.
If youre into pedantic debates about properties of molecules, I suggest looking into why water is not wet, and the fan base
Mfer the OP said the rain was cold. Maybe it was fn cold lol
It aint that deep bruh
rain is ambient temperature-ish and water isn't wet! fight me! (jk)
Yes they are; they're not warm blooded mammals, and they're at the lowest level in the house, where the coldest air is.
Ceramics generally have poor thermal conductivity. Metal is a good conductor of heat.
They have poor thermal conductivity compared to something like metal, but still much better than fabrics or wood. They also have a high thermal mass.
Tiles are a bit cooler not because they are lower in the room, but because they easily lose heat to the air. They aren't that much cooler though, and a piece of wood the same temp would feel much warmer.
You can hold a ceramic tile in your hand and apply a blowtorch to the other side. They’re better insulators than conductors. That’s why you see ceramics used for insulating hot food bowls from wooden tables, or a more extreme example, ceramic tiles on re-entry vehicles. Ceramic is not a good conductor of heat.
Wood is about 0.1 W/mK, ceramics about 1 W/mK, and copper is about 400 W/mK.
Yes, quite literally they are colder. You can measure this with a thermometer. A more apt comparison would be ceramic floor vs wood flooring, or ceramic vs air temp, as all this flooring is at identical temperatures, yet feels different to the touch.
Tiles do not feel cooler because they “easily lose heat to the air”. Quite the opposite; they take longer to heat or cool than fabric or wood due to their thermal mass. This is also why they feel cooler to the touch. Your body can warm the low mass of fabric or wood faster than it can ceramic, thus those materials feel less cold when you step on them.
If you’re going to be pedantic, at least do it right.
I cannot discern the difference between my arguments and yours. You just used more words? We're saying the same thing, except I was making a joke about pedantry.
You’re correctly identifying thermal mass as why they feel cooler to the touch, but this is mixed up in some incorrect and contradictory statements. You seem to keep changing your reasoning behind why tiles feel cooler to the touch.
This is incorrect, and why I replied to begin with.
Flooring is colder than your skin, regardless of the material, unless your floor temp is above 92℉ (33.5℃). You can measure this with a thermometer. If something is the same temperature as your skin you won’t feel anything - there’s no heat transfer. You could have a copper floor if it was the same temperature as your skin, you wouldn’t feel a thing.
These two statements are directly contradicting one another. High thermal mass means it takes a longer time to lose heat to the air. Given identical conditions, ceramic will take longer to change temperature than fabric. For example, if you opened a window and it was 40℉ outside, the carpet would drop in temperature faster than the ceramic tile. It wouldn't feel this way to your skin, but it could be measured with a thermometer.
That thermal mass is why tiles feel cooler than carpet. Your body has no issue warming the fibers in carpet next to your skin to the same temperature as your skin, it's harder to warm up the tile because of the thermal mass.
That actually depends entirely on where you're at. That would be positively tropical to someone in Minnesota, but to someone in Arizona I almost can guarantee you that would be freezing.
“Your climate is warmer than mine so I gotta prove how tough and skilled I am”
"why is my neighbor doing [something]" is a question better suited for the neighbor than Lemmy. But if you must, asklemmy would be a significantly more appropriate community to be asking.
This is the perfect sub for such a question! Perhaps YOU would be better off on some other site? Or, outside touching grass?
Hoo boy, someone's riled up! Have you considered taking your own advice? Jeez lol
The original subreddit was for "common sense" questions you feel stupid for not knowing.
Over here, the only thing it has in common is the name. What's the point of a separate community from asklemmy if there's no posting guidelines?