Tesla Is Looking to Hire a Team to Remotely Control Its 'Self-Driving' Robotaxis
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Ah yes, you know what's better than a taxi driver? A taxi driver who relies on a camera with a limited field of vision, experiences input and video lag, and receives none of the tactile sensations that allow drivers to gauge road conditions.
Yeah, but you're ignoring one thing. I don't have to sit awkwardly hoping the driver doesn't talk to me. The risk/reward here might be screwed but I live dangerously.
Plus I welcome the opportunity to sue/fuck-over elon.
Nah it'll be in the terms and conditions that he's not personally responsible for any damages/injuries.
Yes, that's one aspect but we're talking California here. Tar and feathering and legislation will soon follow.
Multiple people have already died in San Francisco due to these trash heaps. I can think of at least 2 confirmed incidents where the robo-taxis and their inability to deal with unusual situations has gotten people killed. One was very direct in which the car ran over a pedestrian, and another was somewhat indirect but still clearly responsible. San Francisco has notoriously narrow streets and 1 or 2 (I can't remember specifically at the moment) robo-taxis blocked a roadway and prevented an ambulance from getting to a patient that died before they arrived because of the delay.
In both instances, they didn't have passengers, so I think that made them a lower priority for the human interventions.
And California is still dragging its heels on cracking down on this bullshit. Someone rich will have to die first. Poor people don't count.
People who don't drive themselves will be responsible for the UI of all this.
This really just comes down to people in a certain income brackets are uncomfortable being in close contact with a working class person.
That's why they don't like trains, that's why they don't like taxis.
I just love we have this nice simple solution to fix traffic congestion and its been around for so long. It even hurts when people say "im forced to take public transit" like really? Owning a car is not a right. I personally do not get the hate for public transportation.
My father when he visits the city to see me refuses to use the subway, even though it's a five minute ride from where he parks his car - he ubers instead. It's because he is frightened being trapped in a box with the poors.
When i got into work, coworkers asked me how i got in and i said Subway, they joked about having to avoid getting stabbed.
My friends are voting conservative in the upcoming election because they've seen too many poor people on the street engaging in anti-social behaviour (being drunk, and talking loud)
It's fucking insanity to me.
mindblowing that people think you just get stabbed all the time on the subway. I live in Toronto and have taken buses, trains, streetcars, the SRT and the subway. The only complaint i have had is that I wish there was more funding for public transit to improve service. I have seen drunks and homeless people on the subway/bus/streetcar before, but never have had a problem. What people SHOULD be making an issue about is how these people end up in this situations, and how we can help them, and also be proactive and avoid it from happening in the future to more people.
It's a good thing that's not what's happening, but I guess that doesn't help the "Musk Bad" agenda
Sounds an awful lot like they're going to need someone to remote pilot those cars when they get stuck. It also sounds like the system will have at least some latency, and will probably rely entirely on cameras, since Musk doesn't build LiDAR or other non-visual sensors into his cars anymore! Anyway, sorry if that disrupts your, "I'm a sad dork who feels the need to defend the world's richest man even though he makes hundreds of stupid, childish decisions that are clearly detrimental to the companies he owns," agenda.
“Remotely control”, or “drive” if you will.
Only with worse vision, worse reflexes and probably worse pay
And without survival instinct or adrenaline to distract during decisions, great!
Crazy Taxi: The Movie!
Worse pay and worse working conditions is the killer app of “tech” these days.
3 weeks later:
"Your honour, it was the ping!"
Prosecution calls first witness; my teenage neighbor nemesis, his 28.8k baud modem, and Warcraft2
Objection! Speculation!
Lots of taxi drivers are already reckless. Imagine if they can drive remotely!
They'll be driving multiple cars at the same time, while drunk.
Can't wait for the first 8 year old to be on trial for manslaughter because his dad had to go to the bathroom but didn't want to lose his fare.
That's not how any of this works.
It's a hyperbole.
Why must you drone on???
Nah, they'll still have to come into the office 3-4 days a week for "collaboration" and "cross-team building". But they can do their drone whatsyhootzit from their cramped cubicles!
No, it's not. Many companies are doing this monitoring at 10:1 ratios. It hurts my brain that so many people don't understand what a massive industry changing number that is. Even at early maturity these systems can reduce workforce by 90%.
Which is a good thing right?
The remaining problem being not enough political pressure to get universal basic income going.
For the cab industry yes. Fuck everyone of them. Zero accountability.
I'm happy that the number of blow-jobs-while-working will increase for this sector
My concern is that some driving situations need to be resolved immediately. That handover could be an issue.
We already knew this was coming.
https://xkcd.com/1897/
And to quote the comic:
This, but it's identifying the Muslim to send to the camps. And if you fail, they force you to take a selfie to appear in the captcha yourself
The self-driving taxis and humanoid robots companies like Tesla are developing are just a thinly disguised way of getting around immigration law. We're a very long way away from having autonomous humanoid robots that can clean your house for you. But one remotely piloted by someone in Bangladesh wearing a haptic suit? If the tech was cheap enough, that sort of thing would be profitable.
It's effectively an extremely perverse and exploitive form of immigration. When we bring immigrants in, they typically take low-level jobs. But they also get opportunities to advance themselves further. Moreover, in the US at least, any children immigrants have on US soil automatically become US citizens. So yes, immigrants come in on the bottom of the social ladder, but they have an opportunity to climb.
Here though? This is a way of getting all the labor we want from immigrants but without offering them the usual deal in return. And even worse, they won't even be owed minimum wage.
Not only that, there is now a middleman involved so the citizens still get screwed instead of being able to access cheap labour directly.
How can I apply?
“CLASS D LICENSE!”
Ah, the old mechanical Turk trick. This time with chance of man slaughter.
Manslaughter is just an unavoidable risk in the name of short term profit, but we can counter it with thoughts and prayers /s
When are people ever going to figure out that Tesla's "autopilot" is a freaking scam?
The same day people realize relgion is a scam.
So does he now want people working from home or not?
He's very inconsistent.
Oh, don't mistake. They'll still have to go into an office, they'll just be driving the cars remotely, most likely.
This is gonna kill people from the input lag alone.
There was an incident not too long ago where one of these robo-taxis ran a woman over to avoid another car doing something it didn't expect and then it froze up and wouldn't move at all with the woman trapped under the car. There wasn't a driver to get out and help and it took a few minutes for bystanders to get involved to help her, and she ended up dying at the scene.
If we can't get rid of these monstrosities, at least having a human monitoring them that can call 911 is important, but that still doesn't solve the problem of there not being a human present to render aid if something goes wrong. (Not to imply that every human will be willing or able to render aid, but some chance of help is better than no chance of help.)
"How was your day, honey ?"
"I killed thirty people in a pile-up on Hwy74 remotely. I'll be a little late."
Just subreptitiously sell it as a video game, you won't even have to pay the drivers. I don't see what could go wrong with this plan.
So Crazy Taxi, right?
With how popular trucking sims are... I don't think you're entirely off the mark
Leon just announced he's starting an AI based gaming studio.
I'm in, with generations of GTA experience
How about hiring people to drive the taxis.... Instead of hiring people to remotely drive the taxi... What exactly would be the difference??? Except actually having the driver in the vehicle is proven to work....
You can hire someone in another country to drive remotely, so can find cheaper labor. They could also theoretically have them multitask driving multiple vehicles at once.
Edit to clarify, I don't think this is good, but I think people trying to make money (eg Musk) will push for these kinds of things regardless of the safety.
Driving multiple vehicles at once??? Would you take a taxi driven by a person in another country who was not paying attention full attention to the one you are in???
That sounds safe /s
optics. Tesla has attracted so much investment money, and tech enthusiast customers with the promise of fully self-driving vehicles that they need to keep the illusion at all cost.
Because latency and removing the personal accountability of not wanting to die in a car crash are a feature!
6 months from now it will be illegal to report crashes involving these cars.
Real or meme?
100% real bro
scammers pull the same shit over the world since the mechanical turk. at this point the joke's on us.
That's like a normal taxi with extra steps!
Basically what the self driving food delivery robots do in Berkeley, then
They are pretty autonomous, but if they get stuck then someone in Colombia takes control
Yarp. This all being sensationalized before we see the actual product and see how it is being implemented. They aren't remotely driving cars at 50mph down a highway, they are going to remotely tell the car to pull over when someone puts a cone on the hood at a stop light as a prank, or if it gets stuck where it believe it may hit something in every direction, where it is stopped and someone will evaluate the risk via the cameras and guide the car in the best direction. So likely you need 1 person for a very large number of cars.
ahahahahahaha!!
That's freaking hilarious. Muskie is an idjit.
Should be totally shut down until self diving is perfected. Shouldn't even be allowed the chance to lie about it.
Also they should get taxed into the ground. Like $5,000 Bill for signing a new customer up, and $60k every time the service is used. Daddy Warbucks can afford it and he be fixing the economy.
Indian tech supports strike again
That's expensive bro. Just get a poor person to do it for next to nothing.
Hey, don't limit yourself! Females can be bros. I have a couple myself.
It is long past time we got over our child-like worship of billionaires.
I'd like to volunteer, just add a strong wheel
On the one hand, this means they may be serious about actually trying to make this work. On the other hand, it'll almost certainly require a subscription to use the robotaxi in fully autonomous mode because that'll be an ongoing liability for Tesla.
It's a taxi, you pay a fare. That's how taxis work.
Anyone driving any kind of Tesla is a traitor to humanity. If people start spitting on you in public you know why.
I can't wait until state actors or rival corporations start hacking or getting jobs here.
So can I also start remote driving my car?
Ok so they're not remotely driving, as the title would have you believe.
What is operating a car even if remotely?
They should hire ex US Air Force drone pilots.
Y'all want to laugh but you lack the larger picture.
These folks will be on demand if a car gets stuck or lost. You'll have 1 person to 10 cabs and that number will go up as they collect data and iterate.
Your hated over this dude has really blinded many of you. You can be pissed but this is going to mostly replace human cab drivers in 15 years.
AI isn't going to immediately replace anyone. It will reduce demand over decades.
Yeah, what can go wrong.
In another thread we’re in a discussion about housing and you’re like it’s not that bad I was able to buy a house.
I’m starting to suspect you’re a tech bro and now it all makes sense why it’s not that bad.
It’s not about hating Elon, the dude with most punchable face ever, it’s about hating the fact that my safety is gonna be compromised by lazy fucks who can’t drive themselves and instead are letting the “AI” (aka a poor remote “cab driver” who’s “driving” a dozen other cars at the same time) drive the car for them.
You financially benefit from this shit no wonder you support it. Tech bros are selling out humanity.
👌👍
You've invented such a fantastic story for me.
!remindme 15 years
Was this silly clown any more correct about the future than any of the other Elon stans have been in the previous 15 years?
180,000 rides a week happen right now using this practice for Waymo right? They are just copying the practice. 0 cars are being driven remotely by people to and from places. It's fear mongering. If a car gets stuck because it's sensors believe something is in front of it, it will stay stopped and flag a handler to evaluate. The person will say your fine move forward or tell the vehicle to stay where it is until someone moves the shopping cart someone left behind it. Once moved, they'll re-enable the car and it will go on its way.
If there is actually something wrong like someone rear ending it at a stop light, then they may put it into some liml mode, give it a parking lot close by to pull into while they watch, then turn it off to await someone to show up and assess damages.
I tend to think half of it is bots judging by the pattern of what gets said on the mirad of topics touching the companies he runs.
Then the way they rabidly pounce on anything like the water deluge system at starbase causing massive pollution that wasn't true, then the court basically reaffirms everything SpaceX said happens and denys an injunction to stop it's use and they will still forever hate it, is quite telling of their hatred or ignorance.
Yeah, it's kinda sad actually. It's also nothing different to what Waymo etc are doing, but whatevs.
The cab drivers deserve it IMO. I've never seen a more shitty and less accountable role/job then them. They deserved Uber.
The Fraternal Order of Police would like a word.
Never had a bad Uber drive.
I've had countless terrifying cab rides.
how many owners has the onion had now like all better known sites that were magazines they are all just skin suits that only use the name Recognition and nothing more.
i do love a car with no steering wheel what could go wrong.
This isn't the onion nor parody.
i never said that. i said that the onion is not what it once was .
How is that relevant to the thread? This sub is "not the onion". It means news that sounds made up. Why do you start talking about the Onion itself? Or do you not understand the sub?
To be fair, it's really hard to tell what you were saying. It took a few re-reads to parse your comment into something that makes sense.
And even that we all lost too many braincells.
its simple the onion is shit now and they are owned by totally different people now so basing something of the onion does not mean the same thing anymore.
Sentences, man. Run-on sentences make people's heads hurt. I eventually got your message, but without reasonable punctuation, most readers just see a jumble of loosely-connected words.
maybe im not a grammar Nazi for random comments on the internet. i do not give a fuck about your punctuation i have been on the internet long enough to know nobody gives a fuck about punctuation. i do not even want to talk about punctuation its stupid. maybe get better.
people absolutely do, you even used the term "grammar Nazi" and still made that comment 😂. Maybe get better.
We do if we can't understand any of your comments.
I feel like onions in general have lost a lot of flavor. I think it has to do with farming conditions and big agriculture businesses trying to eek out more profit. I should probably just start growing my own.
Some people experience permanent loss of smell and taste from COVID.
Then why does garlic still taste the same!?
Different flavors use different taste buds, and thus, different parts of your brain. You can lose some taste without losing everything.
you do know there is more then one kind of onion maybe just try different onions.
I know. The Onion used to be such a great news source. What a shame they’ve fallen in to this fake news trap.
its almost like this whole sub is based off something that is shit and lame now like its supposed to be funny or something. so becoming a parody of itself.