Hmm.. I wonder why a certain user who’s been posting non-stop about third-party candidates for the entire lifespan of their account chose to ignore this particular article. One would assume it’s important for the voting public to know about this, no?
They're ecstatic to be on the same team as Duke, but as usual everything they say is meaningless bullshit with about the same value as a 10 second long wet fart
Dude, I didn't even post the article. Maybe you can ask the person who did? Did you even look at the name of the poster?!
And what is there to "defend"? NBC News wrote an article that David Duke endorses Stein. I didn't write it, produce it, edit it, publish it, or even post it to Lemmy. I have nothing to do with this article being on Lemmy.
Exactly what part do you want defended? That NBC news talked to someone? I'm unclear on what you're trying to ask me to do. Thanks!
You constantly try to defend Stein and 3rd party voting. YOU posted the same exact article, remember, you linked to it. So I was giving you a chance to respond to the article on here that had traction vs your post that had zero. You didn't, so that's all I need to know.
What is there to respond to? I didn't write the article. And I didn't post "the same exact article" either. There is no rule that we have to "respond" to articles that we post or don't post.
This article reported some political news. This is a political news community. So people post political news articles.
Not sure what sort of "gotcha" moment you are looking for here. Are you trying to imply that just because some racist wacko inserted himself into the news and said that he supports Jill Stein, that it has anything to do with me?!
Or what is it that you're looking for from me? I don't understand.
Unfortunately if I name this person there’s a good likelihood this discussion gets removed since the rules prohibit calling out bad faith actors, even the painstakingly obvious ones. So I’ll leave you with this: you needn’t look far to find that which you seek.
Or some people just don't agree with the echo chamber. Just because they don't change their minds and vote differently than others, doesn't mean it's in bad faith. Thanks! :)
Because it's already been posted here and this community doesn't allow duplicate posts. It's also been posted in Politics Unfiltered.
I don't know what user you're referring to, but I've commented in this thread. And I posted another article referring to David Duke and Jill Stein. https://lemmy.world/post/20893592
I thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Thank you! :)
If multiple people are guessing that you're a bot or a paid propagandist you may see that as a sign you're terminally online and should go explore the real world for a bit.
Maybe you could develop a sense of personality and lose the burden of supporting a failed style of governance
What I suspect is happening here is that an endorsement of this nature can be seen as a "kiss of death" - folks who might otherwise vote for a candidate might be turned off once they hear this news.
Last time it seems the GOP candidate got the endorsement and lost, so to prevent a "kiss of death" effect in this election he is endorsing a spoiler in order to continue drawing votes away from Harris, while hoping to retain votes for the GOP candidate, causing the election to swing to a GOP win.
Remember, as the GOP guy famously said, "A vote for Stein is a vote for me!"
(Now, will this strategy actually be effective? I have doubts that enough people pay attention to this group for it to be relevant.)
Posting Stein's tweet is a good burn, but not much more.
Applying Stein's logic to herself: what did she do to "earn" David Duke's endorsement? That's easy: she backed Palestine over Israel. Even if a racist happens to agree, that doesn't make that stance wrong.
This isn’t the gotcha you desperately want it to be.
This isn't a game of "gotcha", its acknowledgement of US foreign and domestic policies. The current obsession with rounding up migrants, arming and invading sovereign nations and massacring their inhabitants, and suppressing internal dissent via police raids and congressionally-backed intimidation of college administrations is championed by both heads of the major parties.
Identifying which of the two war criminal fascist candidates for president is the better one to vote for is a good skill we should all learn because it will keep coming up in all future elections, as long as that US funded AIPAC money train keeps running on time, funding both parties.
You ding dongs just lazily skim headlines, post as perceived support for your argument and don't realize that the article content just highlights how laughable your stated position is - the article that you posted basically talks about these generally horrible people tried everything they could to get on board with trump's horseshit through their well developed deny/lie skillset... and they couldn't. Them supporting a Harris vote speaks more to the failure of trump to state any rational coherent plan that these evil selfish cowards could get on board with. These fuckers want the USA to live so they can try to fuck it again in the future, so they endorse the adult in the room.
republicans needs Democrats to rebuild the jenga board every other election cycle so they can have something to headbutt on their next turn. trump wants to take the already toppled board, shove a few pieces up his ass and set the rest on fire Bertie flipping the entire table. Then he wants to make you walk the floor covered in broken, flaming Jenga blocks barefoot. And during all of this, kid rock music is playing VERY LOUD.
The funniest part about this is I had no idea David Duke was alive. He was the main villain of BlackKKlansman. Imagine living to see yourself get written as the villain of a hit movie.
If you think this reflects badly on stein ask yourself 2 questions, did he endorse her because she's also a white supremacist? Did she accept the endorsement?
The answer to the first is probably no since stein is a Jewish women so I don't think she'd get along well with all the other white supremacists who think she's sub-human. The reason he endorsed her was because she's the only one who would end the war in Gaza and fight the "Jewish lobby". If your a Zionist and believe that any action against Israel is anti-Semitic then yeah stein and Duke are the same. If you live outside that delusional world then you'd recognize dukes dislike for Israel and steins, (and most of the worlds) dislike for Israel come from two completely different values systems and world views.
The answer to the second is easier, No, her campaign rejected it and called him trash as soon as they heard about it.
So does this actually reflect badly on stein, or is this just the ravings of an insane person who's trying to elect a Jewish woman to take out his imagined grand Jewish conspiracy? Critique stein if you want but this is nothing.
For real. If David Duke endorsed Harris, democrats would be crowing about it and saying they'll take all the help they can get (see all the recent neocon ghoul endorsements).
If one has more power, they are likely to do more harm in the world, regardless of how shitty they are of a human being. While I have no love affair with Cheney, he is not the absolutely piece of human garbage that Duke is.
You think that people here are defending Cheney, but really it's you defending Duke.
What the fuck? Duke is a piece of shit absolutely, but Cheney has done real fucking harm to the world that you can measure in dead children. Cheney is worse by far.
Right. Meaning if this wins over a few old school republicans, cool. Zero democrats like or welcome the ideologies of people like Cheney. Which everyone here knows.
David Duke is responsible for my phase where I grew out of a simplistic view of politics and economics and started looking into things a little deeper. Hear me out: Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul. I was young and stupid, what can I say? Anyway, I read some news article that claimed that David Duke donated to his campaign. I was like, “Hmmm, what’s this all about?” And so began my realization that things are never as simple as we want them to be. So, thanks for being a racist dick, David Duke. Without your donation to Ron Paul raising my suspicions, it may have been at least a few more months before I picked up on the rotten smell. I might have actually put that stupid bumper sticker on and everything (shudder).
In this recent case, yes. I never made a statement one way or the other on that in my comment, though. Being the type of person he is, he has the choice of being either serious or unserious with his endorsements. Putin does the same thing when he makes some sort of open statement regarding who he would prefer to win the election.
Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul.
You and the entirety of reddit in the 2012 election I think. To be fair, there's plenty liberals and libertarians agree on. Unfortunately, you can share some common beliefs with someone and they can still be a piece of shit.
I was ahead of the curve and liked Ron Paul in early 2008. He made some damn good points about the housing market back in 2007. Turns out he was right and the market collapsed.
That bought him some credibility, but then the Tea Party happened. It was ugly enough that I took a harder look at Paul.
You stopped being a Libertarian because someone donated to someone else? Are you serious? You know that... anyone can donate to anyone, right? It doesnt mean there is a mutual friendship lol. Sheesh, never seen remote intelligence from the .world TLD that's for sure.
I see this more as a loss of support for Trump, just like the many Republican endorsements for Harris. It doesn't change Stein's chances either way, and who supports someone is more a sign of how that person leans, not the candidate.
What will be interesting (but again, inconsequential) is how Stein will treat this. Ignore? Simple thanks? A rally to try and pull more of those who would follow him? (I think some will see where I'm going there)
Nothing can hurt or help Stein's chances. She’s not a real choice. I don’t even think she's on enough states' ballots to get the required number of electoral votes.
She can't win, but she's on enough ballots to affect the outcome. I assume she knows this and either directly wants Trump to win or is so twisted around with hatred for the Democratic party she doesn't care that hurting them hurts the entire country.
If just 538 Nader voters had gone to Gore, representing 0.0091% of the total vote, Al Gore would have been president.
Tiny fucking margins can change the world. Ask a bunch of dead Iraqi people if they feel like there would have been no meaningful difference between Bush and Gore.
To be fair, the US Supreme Court decided the 2000 election. Gore's lead would have needed to be higher than the threshold to automatically trigger a recount for that outcome to have changed.
Given that more Iraqis were killed by the Clinton era sanctions, crippling food and medicine access for Iraq, as well as the general hawkishness of the Dems, as evident again with Israel today, it wouldn't have made a difference.
When it comes to invading and murdering brown people, both parties are pretty similar. Heck Hillary Clinton always got a hard on for escalating to war with Iran.
Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,...). Sure, they're not explicitly racist, 'just' war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.
Why can't she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?
They would've probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.
Instead they're trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.
Why do you think a literal Nazi would be honest in his public endorsements and not just doing it for tactical reasons?
Think about it. Trump supporters gonna Trump. This "endorsement" is aimed at harming Steins campaign with moderate and progressive voters, as is evident with the reaction here.
Now the question is, why he wants to do that, as it helps the Harris campaign. What does he think he gains from helping Harris?
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
So the target audience of Stein under that premise are center/progressive voters. The target audience clearly is not Trump voters.
So even if Steins goal is solely to siphon votes from the Dems, any vote that goes to her is a "win" for her. And the opposite, any voter deciding to go back to Harris is a "loss" for her.
Him endorsing Stein is clearly aimed at achieving the latter. You said it yourself,
Stein’s campaign exists solely to harm the democratic nominee
So her target audience are solely potential dem voters. And these are alienated by that endorsement, as is also very clear in this thread.
So there is two options:
A - the guy is a total moron
B - he is achieving exactly what he wants
A seems unlikely to me, as nazi leaders are despicable and evil, but smart and scheming.
So you agree that the nazi guy is helping Harris by him alienating progressive voters from Stein.
Then you have to conclude that he is just very very dumb, or you have to agree with my statement, that he wants to harm Stein and help Harris. Which brings the important question, what does the nazi guy gain from helping Harris?
As the guy was leading a large organization, him being dumb is unlikely. Him being good at scheming and manipulating on the other hand is very much on brand.
You should read the comment chain before making non sequitur requests. It was literally two comments long. You couldn't help but have read it before getting here.
I was about to say that that isnt really much of an insult these days, given that its not really much different from insulting a republican by calling them "conservative" in some shortened manner and the cold war ended awhile go, but then I saw the username of the person you were replying to.
Didn't Richard Spencer endorse Biden in a game of 64D chess as a 5000 IQ play?
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Still either way, Jill's an Ableist Transphobe on Putin's payroll and even if she wasn't, she cannot win a single state under the current Electoral College so she could be literally the second coming of Christ and it wouldn't matter.
Ok, that's pretty funny. An endorsement shouldn't be taken too seriously (given a certain string of endorsements I don't like for Harris) but it's still really funny. Fuck Jill Stein.
There's an argument to be made about broken clocks, but sometime the answer is simpler than that. "Have I become the asshole?" It's not fun to run into that, and I have on multiple occasions. You have to be aware of your biases, and check them on occasion in case they've drifted while you're not paying attention.
IMO, if I had to make a theory on it I would guess he's trying to pull anti-democrat "leftist" activists into racist conspiracy holes as Jimmy Dore, RFK Junior, and Tulsi Gabbard have all shown that's a pathway to a trump bullshit.
Very funny that this KKK leader endorsed the Green Party candidate because she was the only one anti-Israel. Something something horseshoe theory I guess.
An endorsement doesn’t mean the candidate becomes the same as the person endorsing them. Plenty of questionable people endorse candidates from all parties. I try to judge a candidate based on their own actions, not on the people who endorse them.
She won’t. She’s a Dem spoiler. That’s her purpose. RFK was supposed to be that, too, but he wasn’t pulling enough Dems and was pulling too many Rs. So, he dropped and they tried to pull back those Rs with an endorsement.
What? That's never been the case in any election. The parties only get candidates to ~40% or so. And turnout is far more impactful than people crossing party lines.
Even under the (completely unreal) philosophy that turnout is fixed and that every single voter has a default party, that still wouldn't mean you need the other party's voters. One of the parties will have >50%.
Duke, a proudly antisemitic white supremacist, endorsed Trump in 2016 and 2020, but on his radio show yesterday, he slammed Trump's "subservience to Israel and to the Jewish lobby" and said only Stein would stand up to Israel and its "genocide" against Palestinians.
It does kind of depend on how you classify various police departments and whether they're considered independent groups or cells under a single umbrella organization. But then again, in its heyday, the Venn diagram of the police and the KKK had quite a lot of overlap.
And Putin endorsed Harris. These people know that their endorsement is a vote against that candidate, not for them.
Everyone's so focused on putting Jill Stein down so that those votes go to Harris. Any ideas on how we can get tiered voting implemented so that third parties are viable choices instead of being the same as not voting at all?
Harris is openly embracing Dick Cheney endorsements, lol. It is nothing for Jill to reject it. This is also the same crowd that "Biden has changed for his segregationist" lmao.
I think you’re misunderstanding the Cheney’s support.
Dick and Liz (and Bush and others) aren’t supporting Harris because she aligns with them or they like her. They’re doing it because trump is so heinous, literally anything is better than a second trump term.
They don’t want Harris; they’ve just reached the conclusion trump will destroy the GOP. And they’re right.
As Lindsay Graham said in 2016:
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.
I don’t think Bush weighed in this election season, did he? I was pretty sure he sat this one out so far as endorsements and public statements of support go.
Bush’s lack of endorsement makes him somehow worse than he already was, in light of practically everyone else coming out against trump, and the bar is so low, Satan is tripping over it.
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t think he should be forced to weigh in. He is a former President, I get this, but that doesn’t obligate him to share how he votes or to re-inject himself or his family back into politics, which he left long enough ago.
That explains why they support her, it doesn't explain why Harris is bragging about that endorsement and campaigning with him. Especially when her main message is saving democracy and he's the guy that actually stole an election.
Especially when her main message is saving democracy
This is exactly the reason. Because saving democracy right now means getting every possible vote, and the Cheneys can sway some old, Reagan/Bush republicans who reflexively vote R without really paying attention. If even the Cheneys support Harris, they might take notice. It’s an enemy-of-my-enemy situation.
Thats the same situation that stein is in, and the wider pro-palestinian movement are in with white supremacists like David Duke. Yes they support your movement but have completely different worldview and in most cases opposing values and motives. The right thing to do in that case is what stein, and most of the pro-palestinian movement have done and call these people out for the trash they ,denounce them, and remove them from the gathering spaces. Granted Cheney is a different case then David Duke and it's up to each group to decide where to draw the line. I personally would draw it away from a plutocratic war criminal like Cheney.
If not for moral principle then for strategic reasons, having those people around discredits you. Yeah the pro-palestinian group could gain a couple white supremacists but they lose far more support among the great majority of people who despise white supremacists. Yeah the dems could gain some of those Romney Republicans , but they're also alienating the people who hate Cheney and everything he represents. That ratio is obviously less one sided then the Nazi, anti-Nazi ratio, hopefully, but it's still a chance your taking on Cheney. I wouldn't take that since Cheneys popularity and legacy have tanked in value in the last decade.
I don't give af what their reasons are Dick Cheney is one of the worst people on the planet. It is easy not to stand by him. But I'm fine with voting third party this point. I don't want to be allies with liberals who will throw anyone under the bus to retain comfort.
This whole topic is the same people who make excuses for why the Cheney endorsements are good (or at a minimum irrelevant) saying how David Duke's endorsement should make people supporting Jill Stein think twice.
Jill Stein is a grifter and a spoiler working to advance conservative causes, but the hypocrisy here is breathtaking.
There’s a very clear difference: Stein is a well-documented, intentional spoiler who’s funding comes primarily from Republican mega-donors and Russian interests, and who recently said out loud her purpose isn’t to advance her party but exclusively to block Harris.
Her track record makes that endorsement poignant.
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
Horrible person endorses candidate I like: "you can help who endorses you, it doesn't mean anything about their values". Horrible person endorses candidate I don't like: "see, if you support them you're in bed with [the KKK/war criminals]".
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
If Harris was a progressive peacenik who didn't seem open to aligning with neocon foreign policy, no one would think anything of welcoming Cheney into her campaign.
It's the same exact reasoning, just reformulated for whether you like the candidate in question.
This isn’t about like or dislike. Again, it’s about her track record. If Duke had come out to support Cornel West, we’d have collectively shrugged. I’d still strongly recommend nobody vote for him because he’s a spoiler, too, and I don’t like him as a candidate, but a Nazi endorsement for him would not make any difference.
The entire reason Duke supporting Stein matters is because of her history supporting fascists. How is this difficult to grasp?
And anyone who doesn't agree with the echo chamber, is a "Trumper" or works "for the Russians" or my personal fav, "posting/commenting in bad faith." lol
Funny words from someone with a proven history of trolling, lack of civility, and spamming according to the modlog. But please, enlighten us all about how you engage in good faith posting and commenting.
Yeah having his daughter who defended all of his bad actions on your events isn't standing by him and he going on about how honored she is. Liberals will literally work with fascists. Malcolm X was correct long ago. Vote for who you want best of luck.
No, this is a situation where the dems need to get as many votes as possible, and you’re underestimating the voting power of old people.
The dems are accepting the Cheney’s support specifically to wake up some moderate, old conservatives who would otherwise vote reflexively for trump simply because of the R after his name.
This isn’t an ideological move, but a purely political one. Politics is not always tasteful. Ideological purity is useless against actual, real-life fascism, and it’s a strategic move. Reality isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.
It isn't ideological purity. The only people who give up ground is Dems that is why the GOP can dog walk them while going on about space lazers and weather control. There should be some limits when it comes to people like Dick Cheney getting a pass. I've done the whole vote for the lesser evil. I'm good. I'll do what I can locally and vote down ballot for in local elections.
When Trump can come out call Harris for adopting his policies and she has nothing to say back. I'm good. I don't support right-wingers even with (D) next to their name.
This is not giving up ground. The only people looking at this and thinking it means Harris somehow supports the Cheneys rather than the other way round are ideological purists. Nobody sane is giving the Cheneys a pass. They’re slime and we all know it. The only thing this tells us is that he’s* so unabashedly heinous that even old school Republicans can’t stomach him. It’s not a difficult concept.
“I don’t like that one of the worst people in the world is advocating for a candidate, and I’m not going tk vote for that candidate because of this- even though *the other candidates is objectively far worse than the guy I hate”
Is how I interpret that.
Throw your vote away if you want. Just don’t whine here when trump wins because of you.
Trump's rise is literally because of Dems lack of action results for poor and working class people. Harris is closer to him on Policy than anyone else. Even Trump said so at the debate, and she is still building the wall. You guys don't have Trump as much as you claim.
You literally just posted a topic about Trump beating Harris in a battleground state poll. And another about good news for Trump. Along with a stream of other posts that seems curated to talk about bad signs for Harris.
You don't just post random political news from across a range of topics, you post stuff that talks about Harris being weak.
If you were confident Harris would win, why would it be interesting that a poll showed her down in a crucial state? Why would it be interesting that fewer Democrats are registered to vote? She's supposedly got it in the bag, so none of these things would matter.
I think Trump winning is a very real possibility. It looks a lot more likely than 2020 and that was a razor thin victory.
Harris literally continuing some of his policies, you folks don't hate Trump as much as you put on. Dems gave up in my state so he is going to win it either way next.
You know damn well there are some states that he is going to win for free. I'm in one of them. Yes Dems have given up on some states as well due to seeing it as a waste of resources. Plus she is openly courting Republicans and I don't support right-wingers. Maybe you do.
Hmm.. I wonder why a certain user who’s been posting non-stop about third-party candidates for the entire lifespan of their account chose to ignore this particular article. One would assume it’s important for the voting public to know about this, no?
Right?! Thanks, friend! :)
Here's your chance. Defend the article.
They're ecstatic to be on the same team as Duke, but as usual everything they say is meaningless bullshit with about the same value as a 10 second long wet fart
And yet Duke agrees with her goals. Totally meaningless /s
As funny as it is, I think really that is where it can stop. Someone abhorrent said they support someone, that person said, no. No means no.
Dude, I didn't even post the article. Maybe you can ask the person who did? Did you even look at the name of the poster?!
And what is there to "defend"? NBC News wrote an article that David Duke endorses Stein. I didn't write it, produce it, edit it, publish it, or even post it to Lemmy. I have nothing to do with this article being on Lemmy.
Exactly what part do you want defended? That NBC news talked to someone? I'm unclear on what you're trying to ask me to do. Thanks!
Looks like I'm 2 for 2 already
Bingo!
You constantly try to defend Stein and 3rd party voting. YOU posted the same exact article, remember, you linked to it. So I was giving you a chance to respond to the article on here that had traction vs your post that had zero. You didn't, so that's all I need to know.
What is there to respond to? I didn't write the article. And I didn't post "the same exact article" either. There is no rule that we have to "respond" to articles that we post or don't post.
This article reported some political news. This is a political news community. So people post political news articles.
Not sure what sort of "gotcha" moment you are looking for here. Are you trying to imply that just because some racist wacko inserted himself into the news and said that he supports Jill Stein, that it has anything to do with me?!
Or what is it that you're looking for from me? I don't understand.
Spot on
https://lemmy.world/comment/12909326
Who are you referring to? I'm debating some "Harris needs to earn my vote. So it's her fault if Trump wins." idiots right now.
Unfortunately if I name this person there’s a good likelihood this discussion gets removed since the rules prohibit calling out bad faith actors, even the painstakingly obvious ones. So I’ll leave you with this: you needn’t look far to find that which you seek.
You think that articles from Newsweek, AP News, CNN, The Hill, USA Today, and Reuters are "Russian propaganda?!" Really?
And why would I get paid to post news articles from news sites to Lemmy of all places?!
Absolutely no one likes you. Go away.
Well, if no one likes me, then shouldn't be a problem for me to post here. And you can always block me too. Thanks! :)
I don't have to explain anything to you ;)
You're making .ml look sane.
Keep up the good work 🤡
Maybe a play on "omnipresent zealot"
I've had a tag on the user I think you're referencing for a minute now. It's quite helpful.
Hmm. I can think of someone who was recently accused of running two accounts. Something like bad mythical figure name.
Who got accused of running two accounts?
=)
Who is it?
I don’t know about you, but I’m saving this post for future citations.
Solid plan.
and be sure to save this too:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
It's almost like people argue in bad faith on the internet. Fancy that!
Omg 😱 you might be onto something!
Or some people just don't agree with the echo chamber. Just because they don't change their minds and vote differently than others, doesn't mean it's in bad faith. Thanks! :)
True, some people agree with former KGB agents.
Great points. Thank you, friend! :)
how does this article impact anyone's support for a 3rd party?
Because it's already been posted here and this community doesn't allow duplicate posts. It's also been posted in Politics Unfiltered.
I don't know what user you're referring to, but I've commented in this thread. And I posted another article referring to David Duke and Jill Stein. https://lemmy.world/post/20893592
I thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Thank you! :)
Ah so you were late to /c/politics. Well I suppose we all have busy days at work sometimes. You’ll get ‘em next time champ.
Wait, I thought Lemmy was under the impression that I post every 17 minutes, 24 hours a day?! And that I'm a team of people. Oh AND that I'm a bot.
So if all that's true, how was I having a "busy" day at work?!
Look at you deflecting.
You average a submission every seventeen minutes and thirty-eight seconds and that’s public information.
Typical non-American crack head.
I feel pity at your existence 🤷
Woah hey now all I said was you probably had a busy day at work. A little weird to bring up bots and teams of bad actors dude, chill.
People have said that about me. So I'm just wondering how all of those diverse viewpoints can be correct if I am at work and having a busy day.
I don’t recall having brought any of that up? At any rate, it seems like whatever your occupation is, it’s pretty stressful. That sucks.
I didn't say that you brought it up. I mentioned that many on Lemmy say that about me.
My job isn't stressful at all. Thanks, friend! :)
No, "Lemmy" isn't under that "impression". Are you trying to say your profile page is wrong, or that math is?
If multiple people are guessing that you're a bot or a paid propagandist you may see that as a sign you're terminally online and should go explore the real world for a bit.
Maybe you could develop a sense of personality and lose the burden of supporting a failed style of governance
🤷 Idk, I'm not your dad.
I can't laugh heard enough about this.
Someone should cross post this to a certain Satanist’s page.
Fake* Satanist
Unfortunate.
Luckily, I can still hear laughs.
ERMAGHERD dat typo!
What I suspect is happening here is that an endorsement of this nature can be seen as a "kiss of death" - folks who might otherwise vote for a candidate might be turned off once they hear this news.
Last time it seems the GOP candidate got the endorsement and lost, so to prevent a "kiss of death" effect in this election he is endorsing a spoiler in order to continue drawing votes away from Harris, while hoping to retain votes for the GOP candidate, causing the election to swing to a GOP win.
Remember, as the GOP guy famously said, "A vote for Stein is a vote for me!"
(Now, will this strategy actually be effective? I have doubts that enough people pay attention to this group for it to be relevant.)
Who the hell would change their vote from Harris to Stein based on an endorsement from a former Ku Klux Klan leader?!
No one. Rather, it's a call to energize white nationalists groups to indirectly support the GOP candidate, while avoiding the kiss of death for him.
If this doesn't really seem to make too much sense, it's because it doesn't. I doubt the folks behind this thought it through that well..
Lol
ouch, that didnt age well for Stein. Well I'm onboard with her owning that David Duke endorsement then.
You gonna lol at that while harris has been endorsed by cheney and tons of other fash trash?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/these-are-the-republicans-endorsing-harris-over-trump/ar-AA1s9Ro9
I think it's fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here. I think it says something that Trump is too fascist for Cheney.
Also, shoving Stein's words in her face doesn't mean OP agrees with those words, just that Stein's words are particularly problematic at the moment.
Cheney almost certainly is concerned about Trump mismanaging US foreign policy, not his fashiness.
Just my opinion, as an idiot with no marketable skills: I think the more fascist candidate is the one who attempted a coup on Jan 6.
If I can figure it out, what's other people's excuse?
Posting Stein's tweet is a good burn, but not much more.
Applying Stein's logic to herself: what did she do to "earn" David Duke's endorsement? That's easy: she backed Palestine over Israel. Even if a racist happens to agree, that doesn't make that stance wrong.
Yeah, that's what I said.
:-/
Lesser of two fascists
Hey, did you know that 100% fascist is more fascist than 0% fascist?
Please stop twisting words just to be annoying.
Please stop bombing civilians.
You think u/vorticity owns/operates warplanes and munitions?
You're surprisingly dense.
Someone who isn't fascist at all is less fascist than a fascist. This isn't the gotcha you desperately want it to be.
Failed to win either major party's nomination.
This isn't a game of "gotcha", its acknowledgement of US foreign and domestic policies. The current obsession with rounding up migrants, arming and invading sovereign nations and massacring their inhabitants, and suppressing internal dissent via police raids and congressionally-backed intimidation of college administrations is championed by both heads of the major parties.
You failed to win the nomination, so by your logic you're a fascist. I can't make sense of this.
And I thought we were talking about the two people who did win the nomination of their major party.
You were clearly trying to pretend you caught them admitting Harris is a fascist. You can't play gotcha and then claim you aren't playing gotcha.
???
Identifying which of the two war criminal fascist candidates for president is the better one to vote for is a good skill we should all learn because it will keep coming up in all future elections, as long as that US funded AIPAC money train keeps running on time, funding both parties.
Yeah, 100%. Because it's ironic.
Yes, because they understand what a threat to their own existence Trump is. They are doing it out of self interest.
David Duke just likes Jill Stein's views lmao.
You ding dongs just lazily skim headlines, post as perceived support for your argument and don't realize that the article content just highlights how laughable your stated position is - the article that you posted basically talks about these generally horrible people tried everything they could to get on board with trump's horseshit through their well developed deny/lie skillset... and they couldn't. Them supporting a Harris vote speaks more to the failure of trump to state any rational coherent plan that these evil selfish cowards could get on board with. These fuckers want the USA to live so they can try to fuck it again in the future, so they endorse the adult in the room.
republicans needs Democrats to rebuild the jenga board every other election cycle so they can have something to headbutt on their next turn. trump wants to take the already toppled board, shove a few pieces up his ass and set the rest on fire Bertie flipping the entire table. Then he wants to make you walk the floor covered in broken, flaming Jenga blocks barefoot. And during all of this, kid rock music is playing VERY LOUD.
Dems are going to jettison their entire green energy platform and blame Jill Stein.
He is not just any wizard. He is grand.
The grandest
And we all know Lemmy likes wizards.
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
I see a bloodninja reference, I upvote. 🤷
His hat is whack
The funniest part about this is I had no idea David Duke was alive. He was the main villain of BlackKKlansman. Imagine living to see yourself get written as the villain of a hit movie.
Also, mandatory fuck David Duke and Jill Stein.
TIL
Hahahaha. Of course he did.
Can we all finally agree that supportingJill Stein is being the 11th person at the table?
If you think this reflects badly on stein ask yourself 2 questions, did he endorse her because she's also a white supremacist? Did she accept the endorsement?
The answer to the first is probably no since stein is a Jewish women so I don't think she'd get along well with all the other white supremacists who think she's sub-human. The reason he endorsed her was because she's the only one who would end the war in Gaza and fight the "Jewish lobby". If your a Zionist and believe that any action against Israel is anti-Semitic then yeah stein and Duke are the same. If you live outside that delusional world then you'd recognize dukes dislike for Israel and steins, (and most of the worlds) dislike for Israel come from two completely different values systems and world views.
The answer to the second is easier, No, her campaign rejected it and called him trash as soon as they heard about it.
So does this actually reflect badly on stein, or is this just the ravings of an insane person who's trying to elect a Jewish woman to take out his imagined grand Jewish conspiracy? Critique stein if you want but this is nothing.
I generally agree with you, but it does make her eat some of her own words as pointed out elsewhere in this comment section:
Stein stans refusing to engage with this screencap while also arguing that it's okay because Stein disavowed Duke's endorsement:
They share the same goal so it's not a coincidence he'd endorse her.
What exactly is the goal you think they share and how does his endorsement advance that goal?
Seems like a fair question on such a vague statement. Like climate goals? Israel? Snack cakes?
He left it up to readers to self insert to not have to make a statement that can be fact checked. It's cheap conversation.
Thank you for bringing logic to this thread!
For real. If David Duke endorsed Harris, democrats would be crowing about it and saying they'll take all the help they can get (see all the recent neocon ghoul endorsements).
What a load of bullshit.
At least David Duke wasn't responsible for multiple imperial invasions.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/these-are-the-republicans-endorsing-harris-over-trump/ar-AA1s9Ro9
I'm not defending Dick Cheney.
But you can't try to argue that the Holocaust denying former grand wizard of the KKK wouldn't do that if he was given the chance.
Not yet, but you can still have hope
Absolute bullshit
People weren't welcoming Dick Cheney's endorsement of Harris?
Are you suggesting that Cheney and Duke are equivalent?
No, Duke is a huge piece of shit, but Cheney has done immeasurably more harm to the world.
Edit: Ah, I forgot that to liberals, it is a greater sin to be an (uncouth) racist, than it is to be the architect for the deaths of a million people.
sHiTlIbS you mean?
Self identify however you want.
If one has more power, they are likely to do more harm in the world, regardless of how shitty they are of a human being. While I have no love affair with Cheney, he is not the absolutely piece of human garbage that Duke is.
You think that people here are defending Cheney, but really it's you defending Duke.
What the fuck? Duke is a piece of shit absolutely, but Cheney has done real fucking harm to the world that you can measure in dead children. Cheney is worse by far.
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A self portrait of the poster.
nope and you know that. they clearly said even these monsters think Trump is worse than their ideological opposite.
I saw quite a lot of "hey we'll take whatever help we can get".
Right. Meaning if this wins over a few old school republicans, cool. Zero democrats like or welcome the ideologies of people like Cheney. Which everyone here knows.
Right. Which is the same as what I suspect you'd say if it was David Duke endorsing Harris too.
lololol sure.
Yep!
David Duke is responsible for my phase where I grew out of a simplistic view of politics and economics and started looking into things a little deeper. Hear me out: Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul. I was young and stupid, what can I say? Anyway, I read some news article that claimed that David Duke donated to his campaign. I was like, “Hmmm, what’s this all about?” And so began my realization that things are never as simple as we want them to be. So, thanks for being a racist dick, David Duke. Without your donation to Ron Paul raising my suspicions, it may have been at least a few more months before I picked up on the rotten smell. I might have actually put that stupid bumper sticker on and everything (shudder).
David Duke's endorsement is a slander, and I think he knows that and uses it intentionally.
That's OK. If it gives a few more people one more reason not to vote Jill Stein, I'll take it.
Seriously. Jill Stein has done nothing and doesn't deserve anyone's vote.
In this recent case, yes. I never made a statement one way or the other on that in my comment, though. Being the type of person he is, he has the choice of being either serious or unserious with his endorsements. Putin does the same thing when he makes some sort of open statement regarding who he would prefer to win the election.
You and the entirety of reddit in the 2012 election I think. To be fair, there's plenty liberals and libertarians agree on. Unfortunately, you can share some common beliefs with someone and they can still be a piece of shit.
I was ahead of the curve and liked Ron Paul in early 2008. He made some damn good points about the housing market back in 2007. Turns out he was right and the market collapsed.
That bought him some credibility, but then the Tea Party happened. It was ugly enough that I took a harder look at Paul.
Remember when we thought the tea party was crazy?
Yeah, the moment they started to gain any media attention.
Lol so wait.
You stopped being a Libertarian because someone donated to someone else? Are you serious? You know that... anyone can donate to anyone, right? It doesnt mean there is a mutual friendship lol. Sheesh, never seen remote intelligence from the .world TLD that's for sure.
The thought process is "do I really want to be a part of a system that the KKK has decided furthers/aligns with goals etc"
If something is good for racists it's probably worth a critical examination.
It was quite a bit more complicated than that, of course. That was just the first catalyst that sent me down a new road.
I see this more as a loss of support for Trump, just like the many Republican endorsements for Harris. It doesn't change Stein's chances either way, and who supports someone is more a sign of how that person leans, not the candidate.
What will be interesting (but again, inconsequential) is how Stein will treat this. Ignore? Simple thanks? A rally to try and pull more of those who would follow him? (I think some will see where I'm going there)
They rejected it. From the article:
Nothing can hurt or help Stein's chances. She’s not a real choice. I don’t even think she's on enough states' ballots to get the required number of electoral votes.
She can't win, but she's on enough ballots to affect the outcome. I assume she knows this and either directly wants Trump to win or is so twisted around with hatred for the Democratic party she doesn't care that hurting them hurts the entire country.
Florida 2000 Presidential Election results:
Bush: 2,912,790 (48.847%)
Gore: 2,912,253 (48.838%)
Nader: 97,488 (1.64%)
If just 538 Nader voters had gone to Gore, representing 0.0091% of the total vote, Al Gore would have been president.
Tiny fucking margins can change the world. Ask a bunch of dead Iraqi people if they feel like there would have been no meaningful difference between Bush and Gore.
To be fair, the US Supreme Court decided the 2000 election. Gore's lead would have needed to be higher than the threshold to automatically trigger a recount for that outcome to have changed.
Given that more Iraqis were killed by the Clinton era sanctions, crippling food and medicine access for Iraq, as well as the general hawkishness of the Dems, as evident again with Israel today, it wouldn't have made a difference.
When it comes to invading and murdering brown people, both parties are pretty similar. Heck Hillary Clinton always got a hard on for escalating to war with Iran.
Right? Imagine Trump not being racist enough for David Duke. I bet he'd be really mad if he weren't straight vibin
Which is 0% since she literally cannot win enough electoral votes.
Agreed!
Best endorsement dems could hope for, really.
It's one thing to be endorsed by an undesirable party, it's another to accept it or even invite them to campaign with you.
Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,...). Sure, they're not explicitly racist, 'just' war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.
Why can't she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?
They would've probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.
Instead they're trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.
So if you think you can win without trying to court their votes, why the vitriol?
Also: https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/election_scorecard/2007/10/sour_grapes.html 20% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain, the number for Sanders voters is 10%. Sanders did everything to make sure Clinton won, and he still got blamed for her terrible campaign losing.
What a disgusting and willful disingenuous pile of horse shit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=isRVf986QkA
I don't need to watch anything to know that what you're implying isn't reality
It's literally a video by a pro-Democrat channel of Harris promoting the endorsements.
Why do you think a literal Nazi would be honest in his public endorsements and not just doing it for tactical reasons?
Think about it. Trump supporters gonna Trump. This "endorsement" is aimed at harming Steins campaign with moderate and progressive voters, as is evident with the reaction here.
Now the question is, why he wants to do that, as it helps the Harris campaign. What does he think he gains from helping Harris?
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
So the target audience of Stein under that premise are center/progressive voters. The target audience clearly is not Trump voters.
So even if Steins goal is solely to siphon votes from the Dems, any vote that goes to her is a "win" for her. And the opposite, any voter deciding to go back to Harris is a "loss" for her.
Him endorsing Stein is clearly aimed at achieving the latter. You said it yourself,
So her target audience are solely potential dem voters. And these are alienated by that endorsement, as is also very clear in this thread.
So there is two options:
A - the guy is a total moron
B - he is achieving exactly what he wants
A seems unlikely to me, as nazi leaders are despicable and evil, but smart and scheming.
So you agree that the nazi guy is helping Harris by him alienating progressive voters from Stein.
Then you have to conclude that he is just very very dumb, or you have to agree with my statement, that he wants to harm Stein and help Harris. Which brings the important question, what does the nazi guy gain from helping Harris?
As the guy was leading a large organization, him being dumb is unlikely. Him being good at scheming and manipulating on the other hand is very much on brand.
Jill rejected the endorsement, unlike Harris
Source on Harris accepting a David duke endorsement? Else willful misinformation/trolling
Edit though it can be confused because the article is about duke, this thread is not, and my assumption of commie's correlation was wrong.
You should read the comment chain before making non sequitur requests. It was literally two comments long. You couldn't help but have read it before getting here.
You have no idea how little I can read.
I shall edit
I was judgmental for the original comment seeming to be in bad faith, but have an upvote, that was a damn funny response.
You know what? I respect your edit and you admitting what happened. Rare on Lemmy these days. Have my upvote, friend. :)
I was about to say that that isnt really much of an insult these days, given that its not really much different from insulting a republican by calling them "conservative" in some shortened manner and the cold war ended awhile go, but then I saw the username of the person you were replying to.
I use a lowercase c because I'm anticapitalist
And you're brave for admitting that here on Lemmy. I respect your balls, friend!
Yep, funny how may people are overlooking that!
The rules are the same. They're both trash.
Cornel West 2024. Zero endorsements from republicans and other white supremacists.
Fucking. LOL.
Yeah I mean what else is there to say. Damn.
Didn't Richard Spencer endorse Biden in a game of 64D chess as a 5000 IQ play?
....
Still either way, Jill's an Ableist Transphobe on Putin's payroll and even if she wasn't, she cannot win a single state under the current Electoral College so she could be literally the second coming of Christ and it wouldn't matter.
Ok, that's pretty funny. An endorsement shouldn't be taken too seriously (given a certain string of endorsements I don't like for Harris) but it's still really funny. Fuck Jill Stein.
And they declined his endorsement:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
How is he still alive? He has been an annoying public figure since the 80s.
Dem think-tank funded healthcare.
Please don’t summon them.
They're just at their Latter Day Satanic Trump rally. Give em time
Why do people even care what a gross white supremacist thinks?
because if a gross white supremacist starts saying/doing things I agree with I need to evaluate if he's changing or if I'm changing.
This. Actually this. This right here.
There's an argument to be made about broken clocks, but sometime the answer is simpler than that. "Have I become the asshole?" It's not fun to run into that, and I have on multiple occasions. You have to be aware of your biases, and check them on occasion in case they've drifted while you're not paying attention.
Nobody is immune to propaganda or above error, particularly those who believe they are
This is a real head scratcher.
I think he's just trolling. Neo Nazi endorses Jewish woman?
Yeah maybe he's pulling a putin here and we'll find out he donated to the trump campaign. But Jill Stein is such a weird pick.
Republicans trying to spliff off more blue votes from Harris.
IMO, if I had to make a theory on it I would guess he's trying to pull anti-democrat "leftist" activists into racist conspiracy holes as Jimmy Dore, RFK Junior, and Tulsi Gabbard have all shown that's a pathway to a trump bullshit.
Damn and after all Donald Trump did for him.
Very funny that this KKK leader endorsed the Green Party candidate because she was the only one anti-Israel. Something something horseshoe theory I guess.
Yes racists, please vote for Jill
Not a good look for Jill Stein.
As opposed to all those favorable looks she's been accumulating.
Depends on how she reacts to it. If she takes him campaigning, it's definitely bad. If she rejects the endorsement it's something different.
she already rejected it before the article was published. it's in the article
Yeah, I was making a rhetorical point to contrast to how a certain someone treated an endorsement by a war criminal.
Why? She has nothing to do with him, and the party even said so. From the article:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
I agree, but did you say the same when racists endorsed Trump?
An endorsement doesn’t mean the candidate becomes the same as the person endorsing them. Plenty of questionable people endorse candidates from all parties. I try to judge a candidate based on their own actions, not on the people who endorse them.
Keeping fighting for the death of democracy brother! Don't let these people with consistent beliefs get you down!!!
Hahaha holy shit
No more burnin no more hangin. From now on we will compost the bodies. #GreenHoods
How long until she drops out now? Jr dropped out soon after Rogan endorsed him.
She won’t. She’s a Dem spoiler. That’s her purpose. RFK was supposed to be that, too, but he wasn’t pulling enough Dems and was pulling too many Rs. So, he dropped and they tried to pull back those Rs with an endorsement.
Do you really think she'll drop out with only 3 weeks to go?! Ain't gonna happen, friend.
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You mean the guy former NFL quarterback David Duke Carr was probably named after?
Weird.
That is how it is done. Unlike Harris. Who went on a parade with Liz Cheney, and praised Dick Cheney for his work after they endorsed her.
You do know that you need the other party’s voters to jump ship to win the election, right?
What? That's never been the case in any election. The parties only get candidates to ~40% or so. And turnout is far more impactful than people crossing party lines.
Even under the (completely unreal) philosophy that turnout is fixed and that every single voter has a default party, that still wouldn't mean you need the other party's voters. One of the parties will have >50%.
You can also appeal to the disaffected Leftists jumping ship, or the non-voters. You don't need to campaign to the right of your predecessor.
Dems already have the other party's candidate.
So why did Jill Stein reject David Duke's endorsement?
Thank you!!
A piece shit likes the smell of their own.
I'm not a Stein voter, but blaming candidates when other people endorsing them seems odd.
How about this: "I have sex with farm animals all day long, and on behalf of the farm animal love society, I endorse Kamala Harris!"
So now should we write news stories about Harris being the bestiality candidate?
no, right. So why is everyone doing it to Stein?
..Are you guys listening to me or still think of bestiality?
Weird… sounds like a lot of “leftists” on lemmy…
Finally. A sensible decision.
Centrists haven't been this happy about an endorsement since Cheney-senpai noticed them.
Democrats: Jill Stein is draining voters off of Harris and could cost us the election!
Jill Stein voters: See article title.
Ah yes, third party candidates: the most informed of voters.
Of course Lemmy (which is leftist when it comes to politics because "left is the good guys!!1!1") cares so much about something so stupid.
Hey yall, David Duke endorses people but that doesnt mean theyre in cahoots lol. Sheesh this is pathetic.
Not quite the same impact as endorsements from war criminals.
True, but not many people have lead what used to be the largest terrorist organization in the US.
David Duke ran the Portland Police Bureau!?
The KKK was the largest terrorist organization in the US by any standard.
It does kind of depend on how you classify various police departments and whether they're considered independent groups or cells under a single umbrella organization. But then again, in its heyday, the Venn diagram of the police and the KKK had quite a lot of overlap.
Some of those that work forces...
And Putin endorsed Harris. These people know that their endorsement is a vote against that candidate, not for them.
Everyone's so focused on putting Jill Stein down so that those votes go to Harris. Any ideas on how we can get tiered voting implemented so that third parties are viable choices instead of being the same as not voting at all?
Cornel West 2024!!!
Harris is openly embracing Dick Cheney endorsements, lol. It is nothing for Jill to reject it. This is also the same crowd that "Biden has changed for his segregationist" lmao.
I think you’re misunderstanding the Cheney’s support.
Dick and Liz (and Bush and others) aren’t supporting Harris because she aligns with them or they like her. They’re doing it because trump is so heinous, literally anything is better than a second trump term.
They don’t want Harris; they’ve just reached the conclusion trump will destroy the GOP. And they’re right.
As Lindsay Graham said in 2016:
This is self-preservation.
I don’t think Bush weighed in this election season, did he? I was pretty sure he sat this one out so far as endorsements and public statements of support go.
You’re right, I misremembered an article I read last month:
# 200 aides of former Republicans, including both Bush presidents, endorse Kamala Harris
Bush’s lack of endorsement makes him somehow worse than he already was, in light of practically everyone else coming out against trump, and the bar is so low, Satan is tripping over it.
I don’t disagree, but I also don’t think he should be forced to weigh in. He is a former President, I get this, but that doesn’t obligate him to share how he votes or to re-inject himself or his family back into politics, which he left long enough ago.
Good point.
That explains why they support her, it doesn't explain why Harris is bragging about that endorsement and campaigning with him. Especially when her main message is saving democracy and he's the guy that actually stole an election.
This is exactly the reason. Because saving democracy right now means getting every possible vote, and the Cheneys can sway some old, Reagan/Bush republicans who reflexively vote R without really paying attention. If even the Cheneys support Harris, they might take notice. It’s an enemy-of-my-enemy situation.
Thats the same situation that stein is in, and the wider pro-palestinian movement are in with white supremacists like David Duke. Yes they support your movement but have completely different worldview and in most cases opposing values and motives. The right thing to do in that case is what stein, and most of the pro-palestinian movement have done and call these people out for the trash they ,denounce them, and remove them from the gathering spaces. Granted Cheney is a different case then David Duke and it's up to each group to decide where to draw the line. I personally would draw it away from a plutocratic war criminal like Cheney.
If not for moral principle then for strategic reasons, having those people around discredits you. Yeah the pro-palestinian group could gain a couple white supremacists but they lose far more support among the great majority of people who despise white supremacists. Yeah the dems could gain some of those Romney Republicans , but they're also alienating the people who hate Cheney and everything he represents. That ratio is obviously less one sided then the Nazi, anti-Nazi ratio, hopefully, but it's still a chance your taking on Cheney. I wouldn't take that since Cheneys popularity and legacy have tanked in value in the last decade.
I don't give af what their reasons are Dick Cheney is one of the worst people on the planet. It is easy not to stand by him. But I'm fine with voting third party this point. I don't want to be allies with liberals who will throw anyone under the bus to retain comfort.
Nobody is ‘standing by him’. Hitler liked dogs. Am I supposed to hate dogs because Hitler ‘stood by’ them?
I couldn’t give less of a fuck who the Cheneys support. Their opinions don’t factor into my choices at all.
This whole topic is the same people who make excuses for why the Cheney endorsements are good (or at a minimum irrelevant) saying how David Duke's endorsement should make people supporting Jill Stein think twice.
Jill Stein is a grifter and a spoiler working to advance conservative causes, but the hypocrisy here is breathtaking.
There’s a very clear difference: Stein is a well-documented, intentional spoiler who’s funding comes primarily from Republican mega-donors and Russian interests, and who recently said out loud her purpose isn’t to advance her party but exclusively to block Harris.
Her track record makes that endorsement poignant.
If she was sincere and didn’t already align with fascist interests, we wouldn’t care what Nazis say about her.
LOL, no there isn't.
Horrible person endorses candidate I like: "you can help who endorses you, it doesn't mean anything about their values". Horrible person endorses candidate I don't like: "see, if you support them you're in bed with [the KKK/war criminals]".
If Harris was a progressive peacenik who didn't seem open to aligning with neocon foreign policy, no one would think anything of welcoming Cheney into her campaign.
It's the same exact reasoning, just reformulated for whether you like the candidate in question.
This isn’t about like or dislike. Again, it’s about her track record. If Duke had come out to support Cornel West, we’d have collectively shrugged. I’d still strongly recommend nobody vote for him because he’s a spoiler, too, and I don’t like him as a candidate, but a Nazi endorsement for him would not make any difference.
The entire reason Duke supporting Stein matters is because of her history supporting fascists. How is this difficult to grasp?
Harris has not "aligned with" any Cheney or other neocon. Stop pretending that you don't understand how electoral politics works.
Yep! Insane hypocrisy around these parts.
And anyone who doesn't agree with the echo chamber, is a "Trumper" or works "for the Russians" or my personal fav, "posting/commenting in bad faith." lol
Funny words from someone with a proven history of trolling, lack of civility, and spamming according to the modlog. But please, enlighten us all about how you engage in good faith posting and commenting.
Yeah having his daughter who defended all of his bad actions on your events isn't standing by him and he going on about how honored she is. Liberals will literally work with fascists. Malcolm X was correct long ago. Vote for who you want best of luck.
No, this is a situation where the dems need to get as many votes as possible, and you’re underestimating the voting power of old people.
The dems are accepting the Cheney’s support specifically to wake up some moderate, old conservatives who would otherwise vote reflexively for trump simply because of the R after his name.
This isn’t an ideological move, but a purely political one. Politics is not always tasteful. Ideological purity is useless against actual, real-life fascism, and it’s a strategic move. Reality isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.
It isn't ideological purity. The only people who give up ground is Dems that is why the GOP can dog walk them while going on about space lazers and weather control. There should be some limits when it comes to people like Dick Cheney getting a pass. I've done the whole vote for the lesser evil. I'm good. I'll do what I can locally and vote down ballot for in local elections.
When Trump can come out call Harris for adopting his policies and she has nothing to say back. I'm good. I don't support right-wingers even with (D) next to their name.
We all know who you really want in power. Transparent as fucking glass.
This is not giving up ground. The only people looking at this and thinking it means Harris somehow supports the Cheneys rather than the other way round are ideological purists. Nobody sane is giving the Cheneys a pass. They’re slime and we all know it. The only thing this tells us is that he’s* so unabashedly heinous that even old school Republicans can’t stomach him. It’s not a difficult concept.
e: *
Jesus can you people just stop pretending that you don't understand basic electoral politics... For fuck sake it's so tired.
Ahh yes the average electoral politics post insurrection and still barely outperforming in polls. These aren't normal times goofball.
“I don’t like that one of the worst people in the world is advocating for a candidate, and I’m not going tk vote for that candidate because of this- even though *the other candidates is objectively far worse than the guy I hate”
Is how I interpret that.
Throw your vote away if you want. Just don’t whine here when trump wins because of you.
Trump's rise is literally because of Dems lack of action results for poor and working class people. Harris is closer to him on Policy than anyone else. Even Trump said so at the debate, and she is still building the wall. You guys don't have Trump as much as you claim.
Correct!
Trump's not gonna win tho.
You don’t know that.
Do you honestly think he is going to win?
This election hinges on a hair. Everyone who’s not got a bridge to sell you is saying that, and you think you can predict the outcome?
I’m not buying any bridges. I don’t know who’s going to win, and neither do you or anyone else.
I honestly thought he wasn't going to win in 2016. I was wrong.
You literally just posted a topic about Trump beating Harris in a battleground state poll. And another about good news for Trump. Along with a stream of other posts that seems curated to talk about bad signs for Harris.
So? It's political news. And it doesn't change my mind: I think Trump will lose.
Do you think Trump will win?
You don't just post random political news from across a range of topics, you post stuff that talks about Harris being weak.
If you were confident Harris would win, why would it be interesting that a poll showed her down in a crucial state? Why would it be interesting that fewer Democrats are registered to vote? She's supposedly got it in the bag, so none of these things would matter.
I think Trump winning is a very real possibility. It looks a lot more likely than 2020 and that was a razor thin victory.
Donald Trump thanks you for your support.
Harris literally continuing some of his policies, you folks don't hate Trump as much as you put on. Dems gave up in my state so he is going to win it either way next.
And you hate him so much you're voting to help him win. I'm doing more than you are.
That's a cop out and you know it.
You know damn well there are some states that he is going to win for free. I'm in one of them. Yes Dems have given up on some states as well due to seeing it as a waste of resources. Plus she is openly courting Republicans and I don't support right-wingers. Maybe you do.
cheney is evil but he doesn't support the kkk.
Yep!
Because you joined the fediverse and haven't bothered to customize your feed.
You can block people/instances and if this is so irritating you should do that instead of complaining.
You should probably block this community if it bugs you, or you could be in for a bad time. From the sidebar, at the very top no less:
I still like her though. I didn't vote for her, but I love how much drama she has caused the Democratic Party. :)
What a cringe edge lord.
Yes, David Duke is a cringe edge lord!
Purposeful misinterpretation, just reinforcing the cringe.
So you don't think David Duke is a cringe edge lord?! I certainly do.
I'm embarrassed for you.
Uno reverse’d all his downvotes with upvotes for you. It’s not much but it’s honest work.
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Yeah all of this is clear. And it tracks that you agree with David Duke on this.
All the way down to lying about voting for a third party instead of for MAGA.
Hi friend! What an interesting article. I too agree with KKK grand wizard David Duke that democracy has got to go. That's why I'm voting third party!!