Calls for J.D. Vance to resign after he admits that he 'created' pet-eating story about immigrants
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I still think someone explained lesbians to him and he got wildly confused.
Sometimes, you are genuinely insightfully funny, and sometimes what you post makes me want to vomit.
I appreciate that level of posting. It takes a very special kind of person to strike that balance.
If that’s your jam you should hang out with some line cooks
I don't have enough drugs to share.
Don’t worry, they got you
heard
I’m seriously considering getting an “Ohio eats pussy” patch as an Ohio lesbian
Oh no, I'm so sorry. About living in Ohio, I might.
Do it! And wear it when you go to vote!
I could almost buy that given my feelings about the mental capacity of the poster child for failing upwards, but why would he think specifically Haitian immigrants are lesbians? You know, as opposed to "liberals" or "college girls" (to quote the terrible song from that episode of Bill Nye - did you learn gay in college?) or something...
Make all the “calls” you want. For someone to voluntarily resign under these circumstances, they need to feel guilt/shame. I’m not sure Vance is capable of either. He will not resign.
Hopefully it drags down the whole trump campaign.
Weren’t the republicans just saying something to the effect of ‘the ballots can’t be changed this late, you have to stick with the nominated ticket’?
They invented “fake news”
Cool. So fucking arrest him. He's a public figure that knowingly and willingly endangered an entire population. Throw the book at his big fat eyelined face.
Why did everyone believe this obvious fake news?
everyone didn't believe it. those primed to buy conspiracy bullshit sure did tho.
huh.
Conspiracy bullshit and racism.
I like conspiracies. They're fun....this one was too far to fast of a stretch lol
Conspiracy theories. Actual conspiracies are a lot more mundane.
I used to think the they were fun until so many people started taking them seriously. Republicans ruin everything.
I meant I like reading them. The more farfetched the more ridiculous it is to read
People will believe anything about people they already hate.
Remember the Central Park 5. People were bloodthirsty
oof, true and fucked up and sad
because a bunch of assholes repeated it.
My pet theory is that it's a reaction to the couch fucker thing. The left made up and ran with a story, and this is them trying to do the same thing. Obvious problem being that it's racist, dangerous, and not funny, but that's the right for you.
I'm not sure there is anything illegal about making up these stories.
Edit: All these down votes are just wishful thinking. JD Vance is a piece of shit, but he hasn't done anything illegal. (That's not to say he hasn't done anything wrong, because he totally has.)
Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded venue is not protected under Free Speech.
I know that's the famous example, but you're actually wrong. It's only not protected if there's no fire, the person yelling it believes there is no fire, and the person yelling it is doing so to cause a panic or imminent lawless action. Speech protections in the US are extremely broad, and most of the exact lines and contours have been defined in court, often in cases involving the ACLU, the KK, or both (specifically in the form of the ACLU defending the KKK, which is where many of the lines as regards protests were determined).
ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)
Fucking autocorrect? sigh Fixing it...
This isn't even close to the other, actual stochastic terrorism they've done before.
If they were going to get charged for it, it shouldn't be this one.
Now, whoever runs the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire account, that feels like an actual crime.
The cat thing should disqualify him as president because he's blatantly lying. But it's not a crime.
Sure. But this is not that.
Name the criminal statute he should be charged with violating.
Agreed that he likely does not have a 1st amendment defense. But you still need a specific criminal statute to charge him with. I am unaware of any that he has likely violated with his xenophobic remarks
Demagoguery that targets a marginalized group is an American tradition. It is unlikely that he committed any crime
Ohio could possibly sue him civilly because of the bomb threats that caused them to shut down schools. That's the best I got.
If anyone is hurt over this, then they likely have standing for a civil suit (see Alex Jones).
Criminal it's definitely more tricky. Trump will likely get away with telling his followers to storm the capitol, so I doubt "eating cats and dogs" comes close to the same standard.
Once upon a time, admitting to something like this would have been an impeachable offense. But that's long sailed as something Congress would fairly enforce.
Because he didn't. He very carefully didn't. And 1A protections are extremely broad and extremely strong. Pretty much anything short of "You guys, go storm the capitol right now and overturn the election!" is going to be protected speech, and he didn't say that. He carefully avoided saying that, intentionally.
What they'll get him on as far as the attack (if anything) will be if he was involved in planning and staging it on the back end - if for example he was coordinating with people who were directly instrumental in shifting it from a protest at the steps of the capitol to an attack on the capitol in the hours, days, or weeks beforehand. Because his speech was definitely 1A protected.
Conspiracy to start a riot.
What are the enumerated elements of that per the statute, and how did Vance violate them?
He likely does. Pretty much anything short of directly inciting an immediate panic or imminent lawless action is protected.
Its about time there is some accountability for spreading such falsehoods. Does Libel not apply to this, or any law? Come on, he endangered an entire group of his own constituents. They are legally here.
People need to call it what it is, as often as needed: stochastic terrorism
blood libel
Lying bullshit would probably mean more to the masses
I'm down for whatever gets the spotlight shone
I agree with that
It's very similar to the concept of blood libel I think, just directed at a different group than that term usually refers to. Which, given what that kind of thing historically has led to, is extremely concerning coming from such a public figure.
It is extremely concerning, and it is not just this. They have been talking about mass deportations all year.
Accountability? For republicans? You must be new here.
The law doesn’t apply to them.
Unfortunately and with deep regrets, I think it'd be tough. From https://lipskylowe.com/when-are-false-accusations-of-racism-defamation/ there are four points:
Considering how hard he's publicly pushed the story as a true fact, I think prongs 1 and 2 have been met. Alas, I can see 3 being not reached (he checked with his constituents who claimed the story was true and a judge accepts that as sufficient due diligence).
And 4 would be the hardest - how does one prove damages (like a dollar amount) and that they were specifically caused by his comments?
It'd be hard but I thinks a case can be made by analyzing violence against the Haitian community before and after the comments. We have a date for when it was said, which can serve as our starting point for after. It might not be the easiest but its definitely within reason. On top of it all, I'm tired of this and thats by design. To so obviously be trashing and damaging these communities, but due to the law still have believable excuses. Its bullshit. We know and so do the rubes.
Agreed. While not an expert, I feel like the bar for prong 3 has been lowered since I wrote the above - the original author has confessed to making it up, but Vance continued to promote the story after this and never officially retracted it.
Prong 4 still is tough - to have standing to sue you'd have to be someone who was harmed. So likely a member of the Haitian immigrant community in Springfield (of which I am not a member) would have to be the one suing, AND would have to be able to personally demonstrate damages.
Tough, but definitely possible within reason.
Considering what else is at stake, that person would need solid legal representation.
Assuming you aren't a member either, the most you could do is lend support to folks out there, maybe reach out and see if anyone who has suffered is interested in a lawsuit and connect them to the right legal firms and such. Which is still enough to go a long way.
This fucking lie ended a conversation (that started about plumbing of all things!) between myself and my father with me screaming at him for being racist and him hanging up on me saying "Enjoy your fucking liberal life. Im hanging up now. Love you. Bye."
As a rule, I do NOT speak politics with my family because theyre HUGE MAGAts and Im the exact opposite. But my father is one who HAS to bait me. He just...its in his fucking DNA code or something. And usually I grit my teeth through it, but I couldnt this time.
Ughhhhh this pisses me off so much because I really thought that he would snort and roll his eyes at THIS lie at least. But no. He unironically believes this shit. Its fucking dangerous.
Yeah, therapists have noted a sharp upward trend of people dealing with politically driven grief. Basically, people separating from their family members due to political differences. And it’s almost universally from liberal people cutting off their Trump-crazed parents.
This, I believe 100%. I just got assigned a new therapist and have only had one session with them so far. However, I know for a fact that this is going to be a massive topic that I need to unpack with them.
It sucks because you just know all these parents will blame "the liberal media influencing the snowflake younger generation", rather than having any introspection.
I fear its going to make Boomers/Gen X even more radicalized than they already are, and double down on reforming schools to suit the Christian narrative.
Oh. I have relatives in the USA. Jewish and the older generation is sadly non-critical. Last family call ended where my uncle (strictly speaking, my mom's uncle, son of my grandma's older sister) dropped a phrase of "having to vote for someone who'll support Israel" in such a worried tone, that I fscking couldn't hold it. I mean, if my grandma wouldn't try to shut me up with her Israel worship bullshit (she has always been, ahem, simple-minded and loud, and now she's also of the age where people do not preserve a lot), could have gone better.
Trump isn't even better for Israel, just for Netanyahu.
Sorry man. My fam and I went separate ways about a year ago due to this stuff. It's a sickness spread by a for profit entity which is the GOP. Doesn't feel good at all, but things got so ugly that the silence between us now is a welcome form of peace at least.
Im sorry you went through that, but Im glad you found peace. It sucks because I'm being pushed to consider going this exact route, so I know the pain/apprehension that went into your decision. Its a shitty place to be, and I have mad respect for you putting yourself first.
It really sucks, because I dont hate them, I hate their politics and their inability to respect boundaries, but I know theyll never see it that way. They'll see it as me breaking up the family because liberals are too sensitive or whatever.
Sounds like you're going about it right at least - trying to set healthy boundaries is the best strategy to save such a relationship and if that fails you know for sure you just no longer have the foundation for any sort of meaningful progress.
I've been dealing with this for a while now. Family kicked me out of the house for supporting Bernie Sanders at one point. It sucks, because I love them very much, but they're Racist with a capital R and die-hard republicans who worship drumpf. Every time we talked they would bait me with their BS, and even when we're NOT talking about politics, it seems every gap in conversation is punctuated with all the vile things they're trying not to say.
My therapist had some great advice. Said that if I value a relationship with them, then the price for having that relationship is never discussing politics.
I'm willing to pay that price, so I told them not to bring it up anymore, and I'll do the same. It's working for the most part, though that doesn't stop other issues from coming up. But hey, that's life! Wouldn't be relatives if they didn't frustrate you endlessly, I guess?
I think them kicking you out over politics is, by itself, a good reason to go no-contact with them.
Well it was only for a day, they thought they could intimidate me out of supporting the candidate I preferred. They are not perfect, but I still value a relationship with them 🤷♂️
Friend, it's really not worth it. You can cut out family members that insist on drama but otherwise you can just keep radio silence on topics that aren't mutually interesting.
People can change their minds but it isn't ever anyone outside forcing that change... significant changes always come from internal realizations.
Just enjoy your life and keep your sanity - I'm sorry you were saddled with a family deeply entrenched in the MAGA crazy.
Thank you, I appreciate it. We're pretty low contact as I live across the country, so I only really talk to him on holidays/birthdays to begin with, but this was an odd one-off.
I mostly really stay in contact at all because my brother has 2 babies, and the entire family is conservative (to the point that theyre considering home schooling the kiddos), and Im worried theyll never get ANY outside influence if my husband and I dont make an effort.
Its probably a worthless effort, because mentally I can only handle going home every year or so (and I make it as close to a 72 hr trip as possible), but I just feel like Im abandoning them completely if I cut everyone off now.
If it helps, realize that it’s his insecurity coming out. Don’t be mad, be sad. Can you imagine being an adult and stilling acting like an edgy teen.
I refuse to talk politics with my family, regardless of who they endorse. It's not worth the arguments.
Yeah, I don't even like talking politics with people I agree with. My parents are lifelong Democrats and despise Trump, but they are absolutely obsessed with him in the same way that pro wrestling fans are obsessed with the latest heel. They just can't stop talking about him and whatever his latest line of bullshit is. Whereas my only hope for sanity is to tune this shit out as much as I possibly can.
I refuse to talk any subject which has multiple potential perspectives on with my dad. Even if I agree with him he makes me feel shit. That boomer self righteousness is repulsive.
That's a perfect description, same here.
I recommend disengaging immediately whenever they start to talk about politics. Hang up the phone, leave the room, etc. Tell them you won't discuss politics with them, but other than that, don't say a single word to them on any other topic until they agree to quit doing it. Rinse and repeat.
I started just hanging up on my dad exactly like you said, we haven't spoken in over a year. The last call was him defending the sex trafficking of a 14-year-old in Marine Barracks...
This increases my gut feeling that Vance has eaten someone’s cat from about 60% to 95%.
I am 95% sure that this fucker has, at some point in his life, eaten someone’s cat.
And yet I am also 95% certain that he's never eaten pussy.
You think JD Vance is the kind of guy who would do something that brings pleasure to neither him, nor the couch?
There's a lot of Republican politicians who I doubt have ever had consensual sex.
From Jimmy Kimmel: "Usha is Hindi for 'unsatisfied woman.'"
Might have been RFK JR.
Oh no, JD Vance ate out RFK Jr?
"But the cat was damaging my beloved couch your honour"
To be fair, he caught the cat with the couch he loved
Every accusation ...
The crazy thing is: If he hadn't admitted this, there wouldn't have been calls for his resignation. The Republican party is fine with spreading harmful misinformation, but admitting to it is a no-go.
He broke kayfabe.
The Republican party needs to have plausible deniability. In the conservative playbook, it's okay to repeat things that they know for a fact are untrue, or to tell a lie of omission to further their agenda, because they can always walk it back at the point in time which they are receiving blowback by saying they didn't know it wasn't true or that they didn't have all the facts at hand. Assuming that the lie doesn't manifest itself into truth or that there are enough people who care enough about the real truth to bother fact checking it at all to the point where it would necessarily generate any kind of controversy.
This was Vance saying the quiet part out loud, probably by accident, and his pivot was not convincing at all.
Wow. What a horrible piece of shit. I knew he was ‘bad news’. But like. God damn. You’re a fucking moron. A perfect Trump pick for VP.
If my eyes rolled back any further I’d go blind.
Yeah but smack in the middle of the range of expected traitorous republican behaviors.
It's so disheartening that the polls are basically tied. However much they can be trusted
Honestly I really really doubt that.
He is such a loser, no wonder Trump picked him as VP. They smell their own.
Or, and I know it's going to sound like a conspiracy theory, Trump picked JD because JD is so weird, and he knew that JD would tank. So when Trump drops JD it'll give him a boost, like the one the democrats got when Biden dropped out. Trump has repeatedly kept lowering people's expectations, to the point that if he somehow managed to put the round peg in the round hole, it would be a success. So imagine the boost Trump would get, for making the obvious decision to drop JD.
But that plan requires that Trump is able to play the long game, and stay quiet about it. Two things we know isn't plausible.
They have so many people stacked at the polls and swing states that they're not worried about actually winning by performance.
If there is any conspiracy here, I would be more likely to believe the one where JD Vance was a plant whose goal is to sabotage Trump's campaign.
Although, I still think it's most likely that they are just incompetent idiots, and aren't sabotaging themselves on purpose at all.
Oh I totally think you're right in applying Hanlon's razor here. The opposite would spell doom.
But sometimes you've got to wonder how incompetent can they be. And at those times "they're not babbling buffoons, it's a clever ruse" seems a plausible explanation. I mean Trump parading his mistress on the campaign trail, what the actual fuck?
There were theories that when RFK jr flipped they wanted him at the VP candidate hard, but they were already stuck with Vance. Conspiracy theory time...they're purposely tanking the already wildly unpopular Vance so it wouldn't seem like such a fickle move.
But it sounds like he can't drop JD. It is not an option and i am sure someone would have told him this, if it was his plan
Trump is 100% going to blame this loser when he fucks the election up, and the following insurrection attempt.
If Trump loses in November he'll be in jail by January. The sentencing has already been scheduled. If the election is going to be stolen it'll have to be stolen when the votes are cast or counted, not when the election is certified.
I would believe a "house arrest" at Maralago. A house arrest where he gets to pick his security and visitors like
ColumbiaColombia did with Escobar.I would too, unless Congress revokes his Secret Service detail. Secret Service protection is what makes imprisoning him difficult, it's either house arrest or they rededicate an entire prison wing to just him.
I wouldn't let him pick his security and restrict his visitors though. And absolutely no internet or social media. It's supposed to be a punishment, after all.
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I think he'd just ditch to someplace with no extradition so he can keep gassing up domestic terrorists from abroad.
What a fucking distended asshole.
goatse
His actions say "goatse", but his soul says "one guy one jar".
He’s the jar, america is the guy.
I wish he was Somebody That I Used To Know.
Close enough; it's what I read when I first saw the word and the sentiment is valid.
and unwashed
Please don't let him resign. We need him to keep making the trump campaign look even worse.
The people calling for it want him to resign as I'mSenator. It's not really resigning if they just pick a new VP nominee
There should be calls to toss him into a volcano and they should be getting serious traction
Careful. From all the B movies I’ve watched, I can tell that volcanoes have standards.
After sacrificing JD Vance to a volcano, the gods showed their displeasure by giving mankind seven years of plague and pestilence.
Still better than having JD Vance running around.
"thanks gods, we'll take it"
Joe vs the Volcano taught me how to handle that situation
"I know he can get the job, but can he do the job?" No, he can't.
That's superstitious, don't be silly... Anyway let's organize a Repub conference there as a send off, it is the right thing to do.
Let's hope he remains on the ticket for VP, though. I'd hate for the orange bad to backfill him with someone more likable (by their standards) and have an uptick.
It would be funny to see all the campaign signs and stickers replaced.
That orange weirdo would probably choose Loomer.
It's a "coup" and "illegal" to replace him on the ballot. People are saying.
I feel like they kinda have to stick with Vance on the ticket at this point. Past the deadline, ballots are already being printed and such.
Though maybe that's just for the top of the ticket, I don't know.
Also it would require Trump to admit he made a mistake, so it seems unlikely he'll be off the ticket.
Vance isn't going anywhere. Admitting to mistakes is not in their playbook.
Twitter/x sounds like the twitter red light url.
That requires three. With one, it sounds like the bigotry URL.
The Trumpublican voters knew it was a lie from the beginning, they don’t care about truth. Vance supplied them with phony story to justify racism and create outrage and they were happy to play along.
It’s a sick game and when people rightly pointed out what a farce the whole thing was they were simply dismissed by the magachuds as “sheeple” and “libtards”.
There is no reasoning with these brain rotted cultists
Their candidates are quite literally the worst possible choices and they LOVE THEM
They're Know-Nothings, in every sense of the word.
Here's the thing, Vance didn't make up the story, a Nazi did. I'm guessing Vance is now claiming responsibility because lying about the origin is better than the truth, that he's just repeating lies from self avowed Nazis.
He should resign. He is a spineless piece of trash and will do and say anything for power.
Thats probably why Trump picked him.
Trump picked him because he said he wouldn't have certified the election in 2020.
No one who voted or will vote for him gives a shit anyway though, so the only way he's going to go is if R does the right thing which, we know how that will play out.
Lmfao, good luck with that, guy is on the power trip of his life, and the only way to be rid of someone like him is by force.
Or if Walgreens is out of mascara
I expect he's going to say he didn't mean that he fabricated the story, but instead meant that he "created the story" in the sense of bringing it to the media's attention
He did say exactly that in the interview when called out. It's in the twitter thread linked.
Towards the end.
Have we ever had a presidential candidate swap, and then a VP swap in the same election year before?
Can he be swapped? I thought the reason Biden got swapped is because he wasn't locked in yet, but now the candidates are locked in.
That's a good question. Unfortunately we're living in interesting times.
I'm not so sure that he can be. He was nominated by Trump, and the party as a whole voted on both Trump and Vance, together. Would they need a new convention in order to select a new VP? I don't know. I don't think that anything like that has ever happened before, so it would be uncharted territory. Much like if the VP died in office.
They could always say that JD is officially on the ticket, but he is going to resign day 1 and let RFK Jr. have the job...
I'm not entirely sure that the president can simply appoint a new VP once they're in office, since VP is an elected position.
It's a fascinating question, and I hope that there's never any reason to see it answered.
VP can resign at any time though. I'd have to double check, but I don't think there is a line if succession for the VP, since the President is over the VP, they can just select a new VP, although Congress may have to have a majority vote to accept the appointment.
Now to go check how good my HS government class was almost 20 years ago...
Edit : 25th Amendment, Section 2
I actually can't find anything (quickly) about when/how the VP can resign, but I assume they would have to formally submit their resignation in writing, or verbally and directly to the President, who would accept the resignation. As far as I can tell, the VP could resign right after being sworn in.
If the VP spot is vacant, the president selects a new VP who must then be confirmed by the House and Senate; per the 25th amendment:
Hmmm, simple majority vote. Interesting. So if we somehow got a Democratic house with a Trump presidency, they could just refuse to confirm any VP at all, which would make the speaker of the House 2nd in line for the presidency.
Agnew resigned. Nixon nominated Ford to replace. Congress approved the nomination. Ford became vp and became president when Nixon resigned. Ford repeated the process FOR whomever he selected for VP.
We truly do not live in a democracy
Ballots are already getting printed and early voting will start soon.
He should definitely resign from the Senate. I'm not sure if he's legally allowed to back out of the VP nomination.
He can't be forced to serve but it may be too late to get his name off of ballots. I'm pretty sure the rules for that vary by state, though. We've already then through this once this year with RFK.
RFK incoming!
You mean the guy who has probably actually eaten someone’s cat? Lord knows he’s eaten everything else.
He didn't create it, but he should resign anyway because he is a sack of shit.
I've been saying for a while now the easiest way for trump to regain the upper hand is to kill JD Vance. I hope he doesn't do it, but he killed a border security bill because he thought he'd be able to run on it. (Its a wasteful, racist bill, but for the people who accept the corporate media framing on immigration, it would have eased their concerns)
Do you mean kill literally or metaphorically?
I'll never quit! First attempt.... I'll never leave his side! Second attempt.... Oh shit this is real! Fuck that! Yeah Haitians are nice people I shouldn't have lied! I'm sorry. I'm subjugating, quitting, resigning, whatever you want!
Oh that's it, just the two? Yeah I'm never leaving his side! Even if Haitians eat all my cats.
This is FAKE NEWS even though He said it! And if it's true WHO CARES Lying ISNT against the Bible!
Sadly too real.
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Take angry orange with him
I would rather have this cat turd in jail for trying to get innocent people killed.
Ah yes, and they can replace him with a real politician: RFK jr.
October 1st is gonna be so much fun.
Por que?
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It's based on the quote he said where he said he "created stories"
Oh, so like, not what the title said he said.
Don't bother, they don't care about facts
Yeah I watched the video. He didn’t say he fabricated the thing. He just said he would push any media story to further his goals. And then he backtracked a little. It was still slimy as fuck and he’s still an awkward little shit fucker but these misleading headlines piss me off.
I was wondering, since we got that story on Friday about the woman who admitted to starting the whole thing who was now upset and ashamed that it had gained national notoriety.
So it’s more that he took a news item he suspected was made up and ran with it anyway.
It is worrying to see the total disregard for truth people have here, especially while calling out someone else as dishonest.
There's no way to misinterpret what he said accidentally as he explained what he meant, it's just a full and easily disprovable lie of a headline.
What does that change?
“just”