Spyke
lemmy.world

I looked him up and he is English. Weren't English sailors called Limeys because of the lime juice in their rations, specifically for scurvy prevention? He should have signed up with the Admiralty instead of the pirates.

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PugJesusreply
lemmy.world

Funny enough...

  1. Yes.

  2. The lime juice was meant as a cheaper alternative to lemon juice. And it wasn't very effective, lmao. National militaries and sabotaging the health of their troops to save a buck - name a more iconic duo.

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programming.dev

It was cheaper in the sense of they imported from limes from the Carribean and lemons from India, which with no Suez canal is a pretty big difference. And at the same time they invented steam power, shortening voyages so the reduced effectiveness wasn't noticed until longer voyages due to newer military doctrines occurred again

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PugJesusreply
lemmy.world

Well, the reduced effectiveness was noticed. It created significant uncertainty, funny enough, over the actual causes of scurvy, since apparently citrus fruit wasn't enough, until more rigorous studies happened in the 20th century.

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thats true, i took vitamin c like crazy when i was out of copper, it didnt do a thing. so i tried copper, was fine for a while, got worse again despite copper, then took vitamin c. went from looking like a corpse in looking merely a bit sick in 24 hours.

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x4740Nreply
lemm.ee

"National militaries and sabotaging the health of their troops to save a buck - name a more iconic duo."

That literally sounds like america though

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It's, sadly, applicable to most militaries throughout history and the modern day.

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lemmy.nz

Taking care of yourself is gay. "Real men" reduce their life expectancy by purposefully living an unhealthy lifestyle.

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CynicRavenreply
lemmy.world

The whole man flu thing is also goofy because I'm pretty sure I've read men typically avoid going to the doctor for things they absolutely should be going to the doctor over. Then again, it's my understanding that doctors will blow off things women tell them so it's just an overall shitty state of affairs.

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I literally don't believe that about testosterone and pain, and yes I looked up studies and they are there, you are correct. I think it's probably cognitive priming affecting results, the idea men should be more resistant to pain so they do so, similar to how IQ tests cause discrepancies (See: Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine).

In my actual experience as a proDominatrix beating people, men with testosterone tolerate SIGNIFICANTLY less pain than estrogenized counterparts. And these are men in MMA and former military etc. They just can't mentally handle agony the same for the most part. I don't think they enjoy the sensate texture of pain like women subs do. Stuff that makes women moan and whimper makes men scream and yelp and jump back in shocked pain. And perhaps this has to do with cognitive priming relating to their perception of me; however I will say even pretransition subs follow this. A transwoman who has never taken hormones tolerates pain the same as a ciswoman in my experience. I think we force women to tolerate abuse automatically and they just tend to deal with it better, and enjoy playing with the sensation more. I also think women tend to be more skilled at empathy and tend to tolerate pain better when I'm feeling something strongly - I think they go on my emotional journey as a Domme to escape their emotional journey as a sub.

Re: cognitive priming - Look at all the videos of period cramp simulators - men have been cognitively primed to quit earlier and do quit most of the time while women chill and pokerface.

And I've had other Dom(mes) agree, including male Doms, about this. Women tolerate pain and violence more in real life settings, and also tend to request it more.

Now there are two distinct parameters of pain tolerance and maybe that's where the study is confusing itself, because I don't see clarity between these definitions. One is pain sensitivity, how much pain you actually feel. There is a woman in the UK with a lot of natural anandamide* who isn't senstive to pain at all - but if she feels equivalent pain to another person for some reason, it's possible she cannot tolerate it the same. Tolerating pain is different than how much pain we actually feel, but science has a hard time measuring these things. Perhaps testosterone does indeed help "numb" people to pain, but I still think women tolerate or endure actual pain sensation better.

Oh and PS cognitive priming is likely why men don't go to the doctor as well

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Excellent write up. I think there are different kinds of pain and we'd need to measure to account for that.

When I'm at the BDSM club the women generally want and can take more pain. (Some guys are totally insane though.)

When I'm in my gravel biking group it's very much the opposite. The dudes will slide down 20 ft of gravel and their legs look like someone took a cheese grater to them. They have a laugh, hop back on the bike, and finish the ride with blood in their shoes. The ladies generally take a little spill and loose a little skin and they are crying and want help walking their bike back to the car. (Some chicks are hard as nails though.)

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I'm pretty sure I've read men typically avoid going to the doctor for things they absolutely should be going to the doctor over.

Maybe we should be looking into the cause of this and rectifying the cause instead of just leaving it as some random thing and I mean actually look into the cause and not speculate based on bigoted or misinformed biases

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Enkrodreply
feddit.org

"Fuck yeah! My low testosterone, erectile dysfunction and abysmal fitness are just due to my 380 pound pure manliness!" - A "real" man

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It must be because I'm not eating enough meat! I better eat even less vegetables and more meat!

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lemmy.world

This is my favorite take. My wife's a teacher so I hear (by proxy) all sorts of hot takes on masculinity. All sorts of Andrew Tate shit. Even some in relation to a Canadian pill addict psychologist.

I've always thought the most masculine thing was to not bother yourself with the opinions of lessers.

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lemmy.world

The masculine thing is to be assured in yourself and not seek validation through unscientific nonsense.

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Not about lessers, just others.

You do you is a great mantra, as long as you doing you isn't negatively affecting others.

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Does this canadian pill addict psychologist sound like Kermit?

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lemmy.world

According to the internet, he did it at university, eating nothing but mince, chicken, and mayonnaise for about 2 months. He did so to annoy other students in his classes who were vegan or vegetarian.

I’ve actually heard a few stories of uni students getting scurvy, although they were because they either didn’t know how to cook or couldn’t afford food.

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That makes more sense. Although I think the carnivore diet is stupid, most people that are doing it or similar diets eat organ meats, many of which contain sufficient vitamin C among many other important vitamins and minerals.

Eating chicken salad with a spoon every day seems like it would cause all kinds of dietary issues.

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feddit.dk

It seems like many in here dont realise that you can be gay and masculine at the same time.

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I would argue that people who feel the need to prove their masculinity tend to be the ones not realizing that, and people here are making fun of that.

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Shhh don’t tell the men insecure in their masculinity about bears, gay jocks, and Tom of Finland

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To be fair, he said he did this his first year in college- everyone did dumb shit in college.

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One sure sign that you're not masculine, is doing things to show others how masculine you are.

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Quite apparently no. Give your omnivorous human the vitamins it needs!

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You can get that good, scurvy-busting vitamin C from meat just fine, all you have to do is eat it raw

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In medival times if you could afford to only eat meat it meant you were a rich soft fancy boy.

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lemm.ee

ACTUALLY rich people loved to eat white bread. white bread was expensive

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And for the longest time, mac and cheese was a luxury dish, and lobster was considered prisoner food.

It's kind of amusing to see the eating trends of the wealthy.

At one point peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were rich food too, because they were able to afford the berries to make jam, or had land to grow them.

Nowadays it is some of the cheapest lunch you can make.

I think meat is going that route now, and in 15-20 years the only people who will be able to afford real meat will be the wealthy.

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That's not super accurate, there were still public lands for hunting and chickens and goats were eaten regularly by non-nobles.

That said, it wasn't common to have meat at every meal.

Also: feast days, and there were a fucktonne of them (more than the pitiful handful we get nowadays) and were almost always catered lavishly by their local lord as a show of wealth.

I'm not saying life was 'better' then, just that we have a lot of misconceptions about historic periods, usually influenced by movies and other entertainment media.

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On one hand it's stupid to sabotage your health to appear more masculine. On the other hand casually bringing up that you have contracted a pirate illness in conversation does sound pretty damn masculine.

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lemm.ee

haha, happened to me:

its copper deficency by zink overload.-

without copper, there is multiple things that go wrong. but it takes time to deplete copper stores. zink always wins against copper, and meat is full of zink.

vitamin c d, and iron wont work without copper.

I did that because I develeoped grain allergy, and was insuline resistant.

I eat grains again, but sparingly.

went down from 95 kilos to 65.

fun fact:

nobody talks about that. carnivore influencer dont, thats for sure.

https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(20)71083-5/fulltext https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/molecular-biosciences/articles/10.3389/fmolb.2021.711227/full

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lemm.ee

I lOVE bread and noodles.

But I hate having stomach cramps, needing 20 tons of toilet paper for one poop, constant bloatet stomach, well, and hypertension, skin problems, inflammation and anxiety. psorias, heart arrytmia.

its all gone now.

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Food wise? Oh that's easy.

Fats and salts, before agriculture and animal domestication, were hard to get a significant amount of in our diets, and the plants we foraged were usually much lower in starch and higher in fiber. Our bodies are geared to focus on these nutrient sources, so starches fats and salts taste really, really good.

Agriculture short circuited that focus as we produced and cultivated plants that were starchier, sugarier, and animals in general tripped our 'mmmm delicious' buttons much better than their uncultivated ancestors.

So basically it's REALLY easy in our modern diets to get WAY too much starch, salt, and fat because our appetites are geared by millions of years of evolution but we have only been agricultural for a hundred thousand years at the very most and our biology hasn't caught up.

So we take in a LOT more of the 'good stuff' that our body wants, and too much of anything is not good.

Hence the modern obesity epidemic and the rise of type 2 diabetes.

People like to whine it is a personal willpower problem, but it really isn't.

It's a food supply problem. 60% of the space in our grocery stores is just made up of various nutritionally empty configurations of starch, fat, and salt.

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Mongosteinreply
lemmy.ca

The word “carnivore influencer” just set me off haha.

It’s so fucking obvious is it that these people are paid by the meat industry.

Like, seriously. NOBODY has ever thought eating nothing but meat was a good idea until veganism became somewhat mainstream.

It’s reactionary bullshit to keep the profits coming.

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It’s so fucking obvious is it that these people are paid by the meat industry.

I disagree. I think many of them are legitimately just that stupid.

Although some probably are paid.

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I did that because of prediabetis, that worked. many people do it because they suffer. should have informed me about vitamins though. i did stop eating many vegtabls, because i suffered from migraines, and my skin burned, and my nose was always blocked. for that, it worked as well.

well, there is plenty folks from around earth that only eat meat. but they know what to eat ;-) and I think they eat fish as well.

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lemm.ee

It is pretty funny that eating meat is still seen as a masculine thing. Pff what? Tofu? No i buy my meat like a real man in this other isle, next to the tofu.

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lemmy.world

It's funny because eating flesh and blood is a "woman" thing in most species. Ticks, mosquitoes, fleas, flies - all the ones biting you are female looking for a blood meal. Arguably, in ancient times men gathering meat was probably to provide for the women in their lives. Even roosters will do this for their hens - bring them bugs or peck at food on the ground to show the hen where it is without eating it.

That all being said, the gender dichotomy is stupid and we are a bit more sophisticated than all that.

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The answer is simple: females in most species have a larger nutritional debt from reproduction. Making sure your partner eats is just good survival tactics.

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You really shouldn't go by just gut instinct when it comes to scientific evidence, just saying...

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lemmy.world

It's not. You should develop some science literacy if you think that sounds made up and don't know how to verify it yourself. Ofc, I will say every species is a little different and not every single mosquito species even bites humans for example. But as a general rule, yeah, I'm right.

Only the female mosquito bites and feeds on the blood of humans or other animals. https://www.epa.gov/mosquitocontrol/mosquito-life-cycle#:~:text=Only%20the%20female%20mosquito%20bites,conditions%20for%20a%20few%20months.

an adult female flea lays eggs following a blood meal from the host https://www.petmd.com/dog/parasites/evr_multi_understanding_the_flea_life_cycle

After a female tick feeds and is engorged with blood, she releases pheromones to attract a mate. https://mosquitojoe.com/blog/understanding-the-tick-lifecycle/

The female then must locate a blood-meal to complete development of her eggs. https://mmcd.org/black-fly-life-cycle/

For the roosters - this is a well recorded and observed behavior you can watch on TT or wherever. Not all roos do it, but it's pretty common nonetheless with thousands of videos observing this: https://youtu.be/ynhzfbZ0oGk?si=vhEtGxP5VI33sB-L

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lemm.ee

You forget the scientific study that came to the conclusion that blood sucking and meat eating is a female thing.

it is exclusivly YOU that made the connection. You said MOST species, you mentioned like a handfull. You had this gothic romantic idea, and you chose these papers to fit you idea.

you should develop some sience literacy.

you should not make up stuff, period.

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lemm.ee

thats easy because biomass alone of insects is like, really big.

you said most species, and talked like you were some bigshot scientist and give me this feminist lore, and now you backtrack to alter your initial statement.

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Of course it is a fuckdamn lemm.ee user making this mess in the comments.

Defederate them now please. it is long been beyond time.

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lemmy.world

Maybe I’m slow or something, but I don’t get how eating meat is masculine.

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PugJesusreply
lemmy.world

Not slow, just lucky to have not encountered such cretins. There is a very non-zero amount of men who believe that 'traditional' masculinity includes avoiding 'feminine' foods, including 'rabbit food' (ie anything green, leafy, or vaguely healthy). The meat-only diet is the natural extension of this line of thinking to the full caveman-stereotype conclusion.

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The stupidest thing is that actual cave people probably couldn't catch meat daily and thus also ate a lot of gathered plants.

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could also be the belief that red meat increases testosterone, so they become high t alpha males

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You see, like, wolves eat meat, and they are masc as fuck. You ever seen a gay wolf? Wait no don't look tha- screaming in terror

(signed, a gay af wolf <3)

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Should’ve eaten some sauerkraut and fried onions! The manliest of all vegetables! Has the bonus effect of repelling ladies up to 5 feet away!

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blxreply

Keeping femalehood at bay, now THAT's masculine af

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lemmy.world

TBH it's not impossible to derive necessary vitamins from raw herbivore livers, as many early humans assuredly did when crops were scarce.

He's just a pussy.

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lemmy.world

You think early humans ate raw livers for vitamin C? Sounds unlikely. We are omnivores, and except for rare exceptions (I.e. on the Northpole) plant material is more abundant than animals.

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lemmy.world

Yes, sufficient Vitamin C is in raw liver.

Before the age of human agriculture we were endurance hunters. Don't believe me? Go survive off of random unidentified plants for a while. (Don't actually, you'll be dead in a month tops).

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lemmy.world

That's discounting the cultural plant knowledge that those hunter gatherers had.

100k years of 'Don't eat that, it kill Grog remember?' can lead up to a pretty extensive safe list of wild plants as well as a bunch of useful healing herbs.

We've long since forgotten most of it, having not needed it since agriculture.

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lemmy.world

Livers were prized parts of the animal for hunts, we knew the value of organ meat before.

Just now everyone is like 'ick, organ meat'...

That said, I don't know if I trust modern livers, they are the toxin dump of the body and while I'd happily eat liver before the industrial revolution, I'm not sure its safe to eat now considering how we treat our farmlands.

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lemmy.world

Yeah I'm not suggesting anybody get parasites to prove how manly they are, but clearly the guy didn't even know the basics of nutrition.

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Most people don't bother looking into it other than what they read on blogs or see on youtube. There's a LOT of nutritional misinfo going around. Thats what happens when social media values reach and clout over accuracy and meaning.

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ReCursingreply
lemmings.world

James Blunt is hilarious. Awful music but excellent at self-deprecating humour

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As a man without scurvy, I can personally attest that not all men have scurvy

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lemmy.world

Broccoli and tomatoes are okay, but carrots are questionable, and zucchini is hella gay.

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scutigerreply
lemmy.world

Zucchini is shaped like a penis. It doesn't get any more manly than that.

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Fedizenreply
lemmy.world

that just reminds me of a shitty intelligent design meme where all the foods look like the organ they say they're good for.

My new proposed man diet is bananas, cucumbers, mushrooms, and animal dicks. Manliest of diets.

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The Doctrine of Signs, haha good memories.

Just as an aside: It has its roots in the ancient greek philosophers and was considered for centuries to be the pinnacle of rational thought. I mean, it wasn't, but for literally more than a thousand years it has been a form of mental masturbation amongst the oldschool academic elite.

Got a lot of shelf fungus prescribed as ear medication lol

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lemmy.world

I guess nobody ever told this genius about multivitamins either.

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It's gay that he didn't hunt it himself that bottom bytch

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He prevented WW3, fulfilling his traditionally masculine role as protector in a way many of us can only dream of. It sucks if that isn’t validation enough of his masculinity for him…

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Honytawkreply
lemmy.zip

No it isn't.

Testicular cancer is a lot more manly.

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Fellas is it gay to eat fruits and veggies

No way bro, now get these bananas and cucumbers all up in your pretty mouth, yeah, do it bitch

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PugJesusreply
lemmy.world

If you have potatoes or onions in your diet, you're probably safe.

It's hilariously easy to not get scurvy unless you're on a 18th century ship, an arctic expedition, or trying to get it.

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lemmy.ml

If you have potatoes or onions in your diet, you're probably safe.

Looks like I'm in the clear!

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PugJesusreply
lemmy.world

Looks like I’m in the clear!

Unironically probably yes, even if that was all your intake. The amount of Vitamin C you need to prevent scurvy is incredibly small. It really is a disease you can't get unless you're trying for it anymore. Like, fries and onion rings have like 2 mg of Vitamin C per serving, and you only need 10 mg a day to stave off scurvy.

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ivnreply
jlai.lu

Got you, 5 servings of fries a day it is.

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

Legend has it that you can drink beer instead. A decent IPA should do it, or a bunch of decent IPAs and you won’t care

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Some people are just not built to digest fruits and vegetables.

It's okay not everyone is strong enough.

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lemm.ee

Surprisingly, certain meats prevent scurvy by providing sufficient nutrients.

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But those are probably some gay meats like fish, which are basically a vegetable.

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Hence why everyone being clear to say 'raw liver', which was traditionally eaten fresh from the kill as a prize.

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lemmy.world

You joke but it really is.

We are seeing the fallout of 2 world wars killing off so many fathers that the tradition of passing down male wisdom was broken, and was replaced by the 'hollywood' vision of masculinity, which is toxic af. Just look at how accepted slapping women was on film in the 40s-70s.

The modern chantard incel stereotype is a direct result of boys growing up with few positive male role models in their close circles and none of them having the generational wisdom of their great grandfathers to pass down.

Unfortunately, most people concerned with gender equality are so focused on dismantling the patriarchy that no one has a solid plan for re-establishing the positive male role model tradition.

All of the social signs are there, China experienced this problem several times during the Warring States period and identified the root as 'bare branches', men with no prospect for a marriage or future that would form bands of criminals that would go around raping and pillaging.

We are starting to see that a bit now with all of the white male mass shootings, and rape has always been a mostly invisible problem in our culture.

And it's going to get much, much worse unless we can find a way to re-establish the value of the wholesome male role model. And if you see who the male role models the youngest generation are choosing (Logan Paul is a great example) you'll be just as pessimistic about our immediate future as I am.

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lemm.ee

Bruh you're supposed to have meat and vegetables as part of a balanced diet

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PugJesusreply
lemmy.world

Scurvy is a Vitamin C deficiency, and you will absolutely get scurvy from an all-meat diet unless you're eating mostly organs and uncooked meat.

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it is true, i expierence the same right know, have scurvy.

vitamin c alone did not help. i was out of calcium, magnesium, b vitamins, and copper. took me ages to figure it out. I am slowly getting better.

eyes full af burst tiny blood vessels, hair falling out and thinning, wound healing defect, black shadow under eyes, well i looked like a dead person. lips chafy, tongue full of white stuff.

my eyes are so much sharper. i can even think better, maybe there is no way to measure that, but i feel that way.

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aussie.zone

Carnivore and lion diets don't result in scurvy. The guy just ate like shit

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Not only that but requirements for vitamin C plummet to virtually non existent when you stop eating carbs. It's an area that is gaining increased scientific interest. A lot of people have been doing carnivore for 5-10 years now and show no signs of deficiency. High profile people like Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikayla come to mind

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