Spyke
lemmy.world

Disk is for things that are more kiki, but disc, with that rounded off c, is for things that are more bouba.

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feddit.uk

Disc is short for discus.

Disk is short for diskette, the square things some discs are kept in.

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Oakseyreply
lemmy.world

Isn’t a diskette just a small version of a disk? Much like kitchenette to kitchen

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To quote from your source:

8-inch floppy disk, inserted in drive, (3½-inch floppy diskette, in front, shown for scale)

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Disc and disk are varient spellings of the same word that pre-exist computing. Disc is more common in British English, Disk more common in American English. But yeah since computing came along disk has also been used more for magnetic media (hard disk) while disc has been used more for optical media (compact disc). I wouldn't be surprised if this only happened because of how the CD was marketed and branded as a "compact disc" as a trademark while hard disks and floppy disks etc were more generic terms.

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In modern parlance, this has been my working understanding too:

But yeah since computing came along disk has also been used more for magnetic media (hard disk) while disc has been used more for optical media (compact disc).

Optical:

  • compact disc
  • laser disc

Magnetic:

  • 3.5" diskette
  • 800GB hard disk drive

...and just to point out there is some disagreement

Magneto-Optical , such as Sony MiniDisc, is sometimes referred to Disc for its optical properties and sometimes as a MO Disk for its magnetic properties.

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Bloody English spelling... There's a reason spelling bees don't exist in some other languages.

We have a competition for spelling because English spelling is so bad at its job.

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lemmy.federate.cc

This is correct in most cases but I don't think it's the underlying principle.

This wiki talks about the etymology, with a lot of examples. Most conform to this rule, but there are exceptions in astrophysics like an accretion disk.

Even in info tech, "hard disk" doesn't really conform to this rule. Like is a hard disk a square hard drive or is it the round thing inside? If it's the square hard drive, that's not thin enough to be a "disk". I'd it's the round thing inside that would be hard disc, but also creates problems for floppy disk because why refer to the housing in one instance but not another.

Sadly, I think the correct answer is that either refers to a thin flat thing, some spellings are preferred for some uses.

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pyrereply
lemmy.world

til disk is actually preferred in American English. from your link:

Usage notes

In most varieties of English, disk is the preferred spelling for magnetic media (hence floppy disk, hard disk, disk drive), whereas disc is preferred for optical media (hence compact disc, digital versatile disc, optical disc). For all other uses, disk is preferred in American English and acceptable in Canadian English, and disc otherwise.

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sh.itjust.works

Find me an American who says his car is equipped with "disk brakes." "Disk" is peculiar to computer magnetic storage media, and "disc" for a round object that probably spins.

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Wikipedia tells me that they were initially developed in England and finally patented in Germany, so I'm guessing that's why the British spelling is used in that case.

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lemmy.ca

I can clarify some of the tech stuff.

A "disk" is a concept. It's an object which contains data.

"Hard" disks and "floppy" disks are always referring to the rigidity of the internal storage media. 7", 5.25", and 3.5" floppy disks have the same round magnetic storage material. The only difference with a 3.5" floppy disk is that they put a hard case over the floppy disk.

CD, DVD, Blu-ray, etc are both disks and discs, as their typically handled without a caddy/case. So technically both apply.

SSDs are still disks, just solid state, rather than floppy/hard spinning magnetic media.

Technically flash drives are also solid state disks, but we don't generally conflate the two terms for clarity.

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I mainly use Windows and Microsoft almost exclusively uses "disk" everywhere.

I don't think you're wrong at all, but even after I've been working in tech for so long, all the terms for everything get confusing for me too.

Just saying.

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sir, this is lemmy shitpost. Here's a citation for thinkin too hard, don't let it happen again.

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Discs are asexual. It's why they can make offspring without a partner.

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lemmy.world

Its a disk when its magnetic, disc when optical.

The way to remember it is that its disk because its magnetik.

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Legreply
sh.itjust.works

I cannot stress enough how efficiently you ruined my ability to use the memory trick.

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Hildegardereply
lemmy.world

No, that's a tape. It has to be dis(c/k) shaped to be a disk.

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Hildegardereply
lemmy.world

Depends on how you store data on it. If you write with a pen its optical.

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lemmy.world

I am not sure, but my oldest child was looking at an English brochure for a trip to France and a asked me "what the heck is a dis-coth-a-cue? Discotheque. A Disco, a dance club. And yes disco-tek is spelled Discotheque in English.

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Etterrareply
lemmy.world

Not in America it ain't. Here it's spelled "Disco is dead."

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lemmy.world

As others have said and how I always see it:

  • Discs are small, circular, flat objects, e.g. the discus;
  • Disks are discs used for computer stuff, e.g. floppy disk(ettes), CD-ROMs, DVD-ROMs, hard disks, and so forth...

In other words, all disks are discs, but not all discs are disks.

Here's a shitty drawing I made to illustrate:

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lemmy.world

I don’t think the differentiation makes any sense at all.

edit: to clarify-- this isn't a criticism of the op's sketch; i just don't think any attempt makes sense

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Computer usage doesn't determine that you spell it with a k.

A disk is indeed short for diskette, and disc is short for discus.

However, you can absolutely use a compact disc on a computer.

And while there are typically spinning platters or spinning magnetic strips inside hard drive disks or floppy disks, they are referred to by the whole unit as a logical disk drive that you'd see in computer.

If it's possible to find them all now, you'd see that DVDs, CDs, Blu-ray, laserdisc, are all spelled like discus. 3.5, 4.5 floppy disks, hard drives, solid state drives, tape drives, etc all spell it disk.

So for the most part, being purely observational, you can see that anything shaped like a frisbee with a hole in it will be a disc, and everything else is a disk.

I think that's slightly different than your explanation, as the terms are mutually exclusive.

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marcosreply
lemmy.world

You have to put a segment of "disk" outside of the "disc" set on that Venn diagram. You are forgetting about solid state disks.

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At its root this was originally a British vs. American English thing. However, the spelling of "disc" with a C has been used specifically as the trade name of various brands including both the throwable and optical media varieties, which have since become genericized trademarks.

For the optical media side of things, the name was coined by Phillips while they were consorting with Sony to develop the standard and named it the "Compact Disc" to compliment their already existing "Compact Cassette" product. They developed an official logo for the format which spelled it "disc." That's been with us ever since.

Volumes of computer storage are now colloquially referred to as "disks" because A) a significant majority of the early computer development milieu in general happened in America where we, or at least IBM, spell it with a K, and B) for a very long time, that's exactly what they were. Tape and magnetic core memory and wire loop memory were all early developments that ultimately gave way to the longstanding popularity of magnetic platter/disk fixed storage... With some exception granted to tape, which hung around for a very long time but definitely was not a random access storage medium suitable for general purpose applications whereas disks were. It's probably pure happenstance that the dominant non-fixed computer storage media also wound up being disk shaped, namely the various sizes and types of floppy disks. Computers handle linear tape based storage and random access disk based storage very differently, and nowadays random access permanent storage still has the "disk" moniker stuck to it even though it's now likely to be solid state.

As a generalized descriptor of a flat circular object, either "disk" or "disc" is appropriate but which is preferred seems to be largely depending on which continent you're from. The root of the word is indeed the Greek "discus," as in the object yeeted across the playing field by Olympic contestants.

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teareply
lemmy.today

For the optical media side of things, the name was coined by Phillips while they were consorting with Sony to develop the standard and named it the “Compact Disc” to compliment their already existing “Compact Cassette” product. They developed an official logo for the format which spelled it “disc.” That’s been with us ever since.

Didn't LaserDisc predate Compact Discs?

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It did. That may have influenced the naming convention. The LaserDisc was actually originally conceived as the "DiscoVision." And if that name isn't a veritable time capsule of its era, I don't know what is.

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lemmy.world

A disk drive reading disc's would be a disc disk drive

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And if it reads 70s music records, it could be a disc disk disco drive!

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Where I'm from we spell it disj but that's because the c and k keys were broken 😞

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They're all the same word at their core, evolving from the older Latin word. The difference just comes in how the words were used to describe either a computer related device, hard disk, floppy disk, or a sound carrying device, disc record, compact disc.

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lud
lemm.ee

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disk

In most varieties of English, disk is the preferred spelling for magnetic media (hence floppy disk, hard disk, disk drive), whereas disc is preferred for optical media (hence compact disc, digital versatile disc, optical disc). For all other uses, disk is preferred in American English and acceptable in Canadian English, and disc otherwise.

Less commonly, disc is used for magnetic media (as in floppy disc and discette; similarly, disk is sometimes used for optical media, as in compact disk and optical disk.

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lemmy.world

The reason for this is actually pretty interesting though. Historically it was just a US/UK English difference, but it evolved into both being used because one of the first big manufacturers of optical discs, Philips, called them discs, while the US-based IBM spelled their magnetic disks with a K.

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You've exceeded my "learning cool stuff" limit today. Thank you. Now I can't retain any other information.

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lemmy.ca

I haven't heard USB drives or SSD's be referred to as disks.

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lemmy.world

You need to spend more time with hardcore tech nerds 😝

You’re right, mostly people don’t call them that, but they do qualify and all the low level systems call them disks

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I remember when SSDs were still new, trying to install one on an older system and in the process the system needing to know the "number of sectors on the disk" which... SSDs don't have sectors. It was a confusing thing to get through at the time, but I recall figuring it out.

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derangerreply
sh.itjust.works

And you had to get the partition aligned (?) when you formatted it. I had a 120GB OCZ Agility I paid like $380 for. It was amazing loading in way before everyone in games, I remember always being first in my WoW clan raids. Left 4 Dead 2 also ripped on that SSD. It died within a year and the RMA replacement died within year as well. RIP

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lemmy.world

Man, ocz sold some REALLY shitty ssd’s

I had one that I refurbed 3 times in a month and I just gave up.

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Absolutely. I never really thought much of OCZ to begin with, and sure it was a very early SSD, but damn. It crapped out way early the first time, at least in terms of I/O, and the second time it died it was just outside of RMA eligibility. Never again.

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It's from diskette which is a portmanteau of disk and cassette which is from the early days or portable storage where cassettes were used to house disks to keep them safe from damage. For example floppy disk.

Because they form a similar job, portable storage, modern day usb pen drives and ssds are often referred to as disks.

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In systems we consider discs to be optical devices and sometimes just lump any portable media as a “disc”

Once it’s on my system and seen as a device is becomes a disk

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Perhaps it's just a leftover marketing motif?

"The spelling disk and disc are used interchangeably except where trademarks preclude one usage, e.g., the Compact Disc logo. The choice of a particular form is frequently historical, as in IBM's usage of the disk form beginning in 1956 with the "IBM 350 disk storage unit". "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_storage

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I’ve always viewed it as the Disk contains the Disc. IOW, the floppy has the magnetic disc in it. The optical disc is the disc without the Disk.

Probably completely wrong etymologically, but semantically it’s fun.

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_g_bereply
lemmy.world

Where does that leave my solid state disk?

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A carryover of terminology?

We still say “film” even though most everything is recorded and played back via digital video.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

This is from Hard Disk Drive (HDD), which is a Hard Drive with a Disk. Some people think the HD stands for Hard Disk, and use it incorrectly in SSD, which has no disks.

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lemm.ee

A disk is something that contains information. It stands for Dense Inside Stored Knowledge

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Saik0reply
lemmy.saik0.com

Has nothing to do with country. Discs are round objects. In the computing sense that's cds, dvds, etc.

Disks are floppy disks(diskette, "discette" never existed as a word) , hard drive disks.... etc. There is a difference and it has nothing to do with what land you're in. Disk in usa never meant a circular object like a Frisbee (discus for example)

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mkwtreply
lemmy.world

But the floppy diskette and the "hard disks" did in fact have circular discs inside that spin around.

I suspect that the word diskette was created as an analog to tape "cassette". With both diskette and cassette, the media is stored inside an enclosure, and you don't have to take it out manually.

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"-Ette" is a common diminutive used to imply that something is a smaller version of something else. Like many things, we nicked it from the French.

Cigarette, a little cigar. Featurette, a short feature. Novelette, a miniature novel. Etc.

So, diskette, a little disk. Quite separate from the ones spinning in your company's mainframe at the time. Those ones were two feet in diameter locked in a steel cabinet that weighs two tons. This one can fit in your shirt pocket. You get the idea.

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Considering "cassette" is the diminutive form of "casse" which meant "case," this seems right. This meant that the magnetic tape was held in a "diminutive case" which was arguably true when compared to records and 8-tracks.

So, diskettes also being magnetic, also being encased in something, and also being the diminutive form of a larger thing tracks.

By george, I think they've got it.

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KingJalopyreply
lemm.ee

That's crazy. I like their interpretation though. A disc is ejectable but a disk isn't.

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I can confirm he does that. He's also been known for his weird obsession for ketchup.

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There’s been some movement over time but in general disk was used for pc because you had Hard Disk Drives. Then their counterpart the floppy diskette (disks).

Disc as a term was used for media like compact discs and subsequently digital video discs, etc. and then pc components allowing them to be read and then written to did exist for PC’s and, as such, had the disc moniker. But that’s because they were already “discs” branding wise.

USB thumb drives, being created as portable removable media for pc’s were a kind of solid state disk and so they use the k. Even NVME, being primarily storage for computing devices, can also colloquially be called “disks” but more and more people just refer to them as drives and I suspect those who refer to them as disks may do so out of older computer hardware habits and that utilities (fdisk, df, etc)call any such media a “disk”.

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Everything on the left is a drive, but only half of them are disks:

Hard Disk Drive

USB pen drive

Floppy Disk Drive

Solid State Drive

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Disc seems to be anything with a round and flat outer appearance, where disk seems to refer to any other storage media

I think they're the same word, though.

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My system's locale is set to Esperanto so when I insert a CD, it says Sona KD (Kompakta disko).

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