Looks like he's getting ready to do something really stupid to account for all the customers he weirded out and blame unions for it.
Watch how Tesla goes bankrupt because of one CEO's idiocy and greed and then blame unions for it. Tale as old as time.
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If we could stop giving him tax breaks and government money, that would be good.
Reminds me of another grifter who built a real estate portfolio with tax breaks.
Fun fact about that:
Tesla has won $17 million to build a total of 41 charging stations. The next-biggest winner of grants, Oklahoma-based Francis Energy, was awarded much more money — almost $30.4 million — to build just 37 stations. (source
If anyone else in the industry could step up to make them less relevant, that would be awesome.
It's because they need to use pure gold for the cables it's the only thing that can deliver the 1.21 jiggawatts the cars need.
Or a clock tower at precisely 10:04pm next Saturday night.
Great Scott!
Dude, they've been selling plutonium at the corner store since like, 1985.
...but who knows if those stations will still work 10 years from now if he fires the whole charging team on a whim to prove a point?
IDK if you have an electric car or not, but in case you're unaware, the non-tesla charging infrastructure is abysmal in the U.S. It makes Tesla chargers look as ubiquitous and easy to use as gas stations. All of those companies together have failed to even accomplish parity with Tesla. It's sad.
State run corporation, that's what you guys need.
I couldn't agree more. Nationalized energy production, maintenance, distribution, and control. No more stupid state-grid no-regulation shenanigans (I live in Texas)
The Tesla charger adapter is going to be the standard in the US
The adapter doesn't matter, the non-tesla chargers are harder to find, way less reliable, no where near as high powered, and basically unmaintained.
Fair enough. I think that the gov't should pick one charger + one adapter to be the standard (Tesla or not) and then it should be made the standard and every company should be able to produce that standard with a minimal fee going to the company that created it (minus any gov't subsidies given to the creator in the first place).
Part of the problem is that the government did. The bill requires CCS chargers, but no one wants those anymore, since Ford, Rivian and others adopted NACS.
Now I'm imagining that the entire Tesla charging system is run manually by a cadre of switchboard operators plugging giant cross-connect cables in to a massive patch board.
:) it's set and forget, that's how elon's infra works
Did Tesla actually build the stations though?
why does elon think people will agree with him that unions are bad? Arent super rich the only ones who agree with that opinion?
You'd be shocked how much anti union hate is alive and well in impoverished Republican areas. The propaganda succeeded.
this right here, I live in a predominantly blue district and the amount of people that believe that unions are the worst thing that can happen to a worker is insane. I have to give it to the anti-union propaganda, it was efficient and it worked.
If it wasn't so vile, it's downright impressive. Even my mother is anti-union. Women's rights, immigrant protections, universal healthcare, wealth taxes, etc.
But she will argue against me until I'm gasping for air that unions are bad for workers.
I grew up in a blue collar area and the normal lines that get repeated over and over is that unions prevent hard workers from standing out and excelling. They reward and promote laziness. They make the labour so expensive the business cant survive. And on and on.
I'm all for unions even though I was fucked over by Pepsi's union. Just make sure your union leaders aren't company men or women.
That sounds pretty fucked up from Pepsi, criminal even.
It was shit, I was lied to and they broke their own rules that are in writing and when I showed them they blew me off. It was a shit job anyways, at least I got a free CDL out of it.
You don't even know what happened, and you're already calling it a crime?
Sounds like nom union corporate software development.
I guess anyone who believes that thinks that they are and always will be in the 90% performance bracket who will get rewarded.
PS: only rich egotists like elon can afford to live in that belief.
Shhh...he's campaigning for Harris in the rust belt at this point and doesn't know it 😉 #galaxybrain
Nope! Lots of blue collar workers have been programmed since birth that unions are bad. Without a proper education they'll never learn otherwise. I know, I was one of them.
Amazon put gamer-centric union busting materials in it's centers telling folks to buy games instead of paying dues.
The super rich a disturbingly uneducated
Republicans simultaneously love American automakers and hate unions.
I would also like to see Tesla either unionized or dead.
Prefer to see it dead and Elon’s method of influence gone.
Unfortunately he'll still have hundreds of billions of dollars, even without Tesla, so his influence will never go away. He could lose 99% of his wealth and still be a billionaire.
Then the less respect he has from the general public, the better.
What do billionaires do with their billions in prison?
Use it to avoid going to prison.
Name one billionaire who has gone to prison.
Elizabeth Holmes, and her story is very similar: overpromise, underdeliver, boast, defraud, intimidate.
PS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Stanford this guy too
Sooo, two? IIRC she didn't have enough time to build connections and she didn't know how to walk in billionaire shoes.
I can guarantee these pricks are untouchable.
That's because billionaire means nothing. e.g. Jordan Belfort was almost a billionaire, but still went to jail like small fry.The untouchable ones are oligarchs, that is what people are implying and it is much scarier to have a 6-year-old messing around as one.
Nice!
Not a billionaire, but Bernie Madoff got real close.
Madoff made the mistake of stealing from people more powerful than him. Billionaires always steal from poor people, and thus incur no wrath from people who could punish them.
Yep. Madoff committed the worst crime in America: messing with rich people’s money.
Thanks, Elon. You've convinced me. I won't vote for Joe Biden in November.
Look at all this Republican propaganda working! First I refused to vote for Hunter Biden for President in November, and now I'm not even voting for Joe Biden in November. I'll go even further, there is not a single man on the Democratic or Republican tickets I'm planning to vote for for President in November.
I agree. I have yet to find a man worth voting for. I guess we'll have to wait until the DNC. The Democrats might nominate the man I'll vote for, but I doubt it.
I'm not gonna vote for a woman either. Not until us Europeans are allowed to vote in US elections.
I'm very amused that five people apparently didn't get the joke. I'm glad you did.
Damn and they just talked me out of voting for Hunter.
I was also ready to vote for Obama a third time until they convinced me he wasn't born in the United States.
Funny, now I have to write Biden in so he can kill Tesla
OH NO! But if Tesla shuts down then the only source for quality electric cars would be Ford, Toyota, Lexus, BMW, Volkswagen, Porsche, Honda, Audi, Chrysler, Subaru, Mercedes, Fiat, GMC, Hyundai, Cadillac, Genesis, Rivian, Nissan, Volvo, and Kia.
Polestar any good?
Polestar = Premium Volvo
I think the only ones in your list actually making quality electric cars are Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Hyundai, Genesis, Kia, and Rivian. The rest are rubbish and aren’t even trying. Ford built a truck that people might have bought if it was reasonably priced, and then shoved it full of garbage software and silly tricks everywhere. And the rest of those companies are only putting out one maybe two models of electric vehicles and then saying “EVs don’t sell” then cutting their programs. The ones I listed are the only manufacturers with even a slightly reasonable number of models, much less having usable vehicles. Even Tesla barely has any models, and they’re all pretty much the exact same besides their speed.
VW has a ton of models and cupra on top. Volvo has polestar. And that's just 2 I know personally. I wonder how the error margin with you other exclusions is.
But have you thought about the teslatuby?
You have a funny idea of "quality."
Tesla and Musk owe sooooo much of their success to huge federal and state level EV tax bonuses and rebates. The government essentially subsidized his company for decades. He decided to dump all that money into an ego boost instead of R&D, and let other manufacturers catch and even surpass Tesla in technology and features. He's done. Tesla is done.
relevant https://jalopnik.com/half-of-teslas-q2-profit-came-from-your-taxes-1851606200
Several American car companies owe their existence to the government.
"he would rather tesla be dead then not unionized"
Uhhh.. Okay, sure. That sounds great. Either or.
‘No Business Which Depends for Existence on Paying Less Than Living Wages to Its Workers Has Any Right to Continue in This Country’
Still not sure why the idiot shareholders approved the pay package...
If I was a large institutional investor with a significant amount of cash tied up in Tesla stock I would be concerned about Musk selling off his shares en mass and tanking the share price. Musk has shown nothing but how petty he can be even if it hurts himself when he doesn't get what he wants
He axed the supercharger department.
You know, the one thing Tesla had over all other EVs, the robust chargers that were everywhere.
I’d have cut and run then.
For a minute I was like "Wait why does an electric car need a supercharger how would that even work".
Then I remembered that it's a whole different thing now.
Very hard with the size of some of the positions of the larger institutional investors, they let their greed override any common sense with the long term growth for Tesla under Musk. The whole Tesla stock is a house of cards just waiting to dramatically fall in value.
Powerwall
Is not selling.
So basically a funny legal way of saying extortion?
It's a mess of their own making, if you hold the tiger by it's tail, you better not let go
Seriously. It was an easy way to get rid of that anchor
They hold over 40% of the stock, that's got to be well over $200bn, no way would they risk tanking the value
You think that Twitter is worth over 500 billion? I would be surprised if it was worth 1 billion at this point. They're still losing users.
Tesla, as that's the one institutional investors hold all the shares for as it's the only one of the two publicly traded.
Twitter is privately owned via loans. Twitter shows how pathetic he can be when he doesn't get what he wants even at the expense of his own money
Oh right, I forgot which one was paying him that ridiculous compensation package. Is Tesla worth $500 billion? I would think getting rid of the obvious emotional weak link that has rather public temper tantrums would increase the stock price, but that shows what I know.
As of yesterday the market cap was over 700 bn for Tesla. He can and has tanked the share price by bulk selling shares. Nobody is going to take that risk when they hold a few hundred billion in shares as even a 10% dip is at least 20bn dip. Best they can hope for is some more over the top announcements from Musk that boost the share price enough that they can reduce their holdings before Tesla drops like a stone.
Imagine him tanking a company for revenge
It would be strange if he did it twice right?
Tank me once shame on me, tank me twice...
Fortunately at this point it no longer matters if Tesla is dead or not. All car manufacturers caught up. Genius Musk singlehandedly destroyed the biggest Tesla fan base and opportunity to capitalize on being first.
yes, he already got his bonus, but he will never let a good catastrophe go to waste and use it to discredit unions.
Just yesterday, on Twitter, I saw a guy selling his Tesla because of Elon’s anti-trans moves. Actively asking for other EV recommendations, and getting a ton.
That's funny.
So Musk rather wants Tesla dead than unionized
Translation: Biden is utterly controlled by those dirty little working class people and would rather they have benefits and a safe work place over me and my rich friends making more money.
How does Biden become controlled by an auto worker union?
(Trump vowing to crush electric vehicles)
Musk: Why is Kamala planning on ruining Tesla?
While bankrolling him. Maybe it's ma$o¢hism
Trump is just saying shit about electric cars to get votes though.
Blue collar MAGA voters these days:
It's not even a thought, because they don't have any. True MAGAts just do whatever they're told.
Yeah they spoke at the RNC and the Republican ghouls at the top weren't happy with their message.
For those just joining us, Elmo has driven the car company Tesla into a smoking hole in the ground. Stand by for further incorrect statements and wild assertions of blame.
I'm really not sure his play. Like even he should realize that directly supporting the guy that has stated multiple times that any transportation outside of big oil is bad, alienating himself from the side that would most likely actually buy his technology due to the "green" aspect of it is insane.
His play is that he’s above money and the law and is desperate for people to laud him. Beyond that, there appears to be some unfortunate drug use and a small host of sycophants that constantly encourage him.
Business doesn’t really enter into it, afaict.
stand by and watch indeed...
I'd also rather Tesla be dead.
Good news! He died 7 January 1943.
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This tool can't accept he is the cause of the poor sales. He alienated his customers with his right wing rhetoric.
Teslas are impractical, cheaply made and expensive. That's why they aren't selling. Electric vehicles aren't selling in general because they don't make sense for the money. It's a forced meme by special interests.
tf are you talking about? Forced meme? The numbers work for.many people and if they do they buy them. If they don't then they don't buy them.
EV is a premium product, they are even designed to look different than other vehicles. People who buy an EV have a choice, it’s not a lowest bidder type situation.
Tesla’s used to be the cool EV. Sure, one could buy a different one but they are not as cool. Then Elon opened his mouth and the veil was lifted. Turns out he isn’t a genius, never got accepted to a PhD program, and his undergrad in physics is highly suspect. Then Elon went mask off as a fascist, right wing clown.
People buy EV’s are usually doing so for a status symbol and for the saving the environment ideology. Elon and his companies no longer represent that, and Teslas are no longer selling.
Yes, it was Biden and the Unions that made your stupid ass build that pedestrian death trap with sharp edges that breaks down when you wash the car without putting it in a certain mode and dozens of other stupid specific to that one vehicle rules.
no, that was little Timmy, he can't draw too well yet. Timmy, how could you?
Wouldn't every business be better dead than ununionized? I would rather Elon was dead personally, maybe Tesla isn't that bad but we hate him so much we can't see it? I dunno enough about them as a company, but I do want gas cars to only be in museums, so I'm hoping there's something there to salvage.
yeah, I don't hate tesla or spacex, just the psycho puppetmaster.
especially with Tesla, at some point the lines blur.
I used to love tesla, and then the cyber truck came out, and they have become more and more consumer unfriendly.
You can say that its just Elon's actions, but how can you separate that from the buisness
I think most people at Tesla secretly hate the cyberstuck.
I honestly don't know enough about Tesla to say I don't hate it, but I like the fact their existence and failures are providing research data for future EV manufacturing. But I at least give them room to prove they're ok underneath their overlord.
Why would a business be better dead than unionized? If it’s making money still then the answer is always no. Stupid statement.
Walmart is making money.
Should be unionized.
Imagine how many hundreds of millions they have spent to keep their stores from unionizing. All to keep pay down. How much profit is in it for them.
100 percent. Once a company gets over a certain threshold of employees it should be mandatory honestly.
Does Tesla fail to meet that threshold for you?
Fuck Tesla lol musk is a shitbag. Companies much smaller than them should be forced to unionize. I’m all for unions. Was thinking maybe 50 employees as the cutoff?
Stop thinking from the business' point of view instead of the workers.
As a worker, consumer, and employer myself there is benefits to each and every one of those things, and they work best in harmony with one another.
You can pick two of those 3 things and argue in good faith, but not all three. Actually two of them are mutually exclusive.
Elaborate
Just saying that proves you see it from the company's point of view. The flat signs should not be more important than the people working for it. Sorry, corporations aren't people. Make people's lives better, every time. You can't make a business happy, it's not a real entity.
Prioritize your workers (as in, be unionized) and your customers. Those are the only people involved. Stockholders and board members are just leeches. You're either producing the goods and service, or you're consuming it. Nobody else matters or should be considered.
CEOs making 4 or 5 extra digits than their front line workers are the absolute worst.
Any action taken against any union by the company should just get the company bankrupted and paid out to the employees tbh.
Anything less is just the business telling the workers to their face "we want you to make us way more money than you'll ever even hear about while we figure out ways to legally take everything we can. Their objective is typically to not spend any money on employee well-being unless it is actively costing them more to not do it.
Almost nobody is on any company's side at all (other than the owner). People want good working conditions and good living conditions. No one cares how happy the business feels.
Oh, is that stupid fuck gonna do something fucking stupid? Ha! Fuck you, Lonnie, you fucking piece of shit. I would have bought one of your vehicles if it wouldn't have put money in your pocket. Your dumbass truck looks like ass.
is he trying to make Biden more popular lol what a fucking idiot
As the vice president of my local, I agree.
I would too
Does that mean its bidens fault the cybertruck falls apart when it gets damp?
Teslatubby is hurt...why would we or Biden care if his company fails anyway?
He should be negotiating with his workers instead of spazzing out on socials. Who is this shite supposed to resonate with?