why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.
I get it, Biden is old and that's a problem, but why doesn't anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein's Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can't remember common names?
Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?
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Republican candidates aren't held to the same standards because Republican voters don't care (or they actually like it).
Republican candidates aren't held to the same standards because Republican voters are absolute morons
He gave them $1,600 in stimulus checks. Some of the poorer people think he'll make things more affordable for people, lower costs, make crypto better, and essentially just rain down money. They have to think of their families future, and apparently they think Trump will do that. They don't care what he's done, he's a means to an end, and if they can wrap an American flag around him, profess him the new Messiah, and ban abortions to do it, they will.
Republicans are either extremely ignorant or they just lack any and all empathy. They get their news from Fox that shields them from the truth, and they live in constant fear of blood-drinking evil liberals, illegal racist/murderer aliens, and that their money is being stolen from them by undesirables that feed off the system.
Their entire world view is a facade to make rich people richer and their ignorance of that makes them expendable pawns. It'd be comical if it wasn't so tragic...
His base are enthusiastically slobbering on his c**k, and most prominent politicians for the gqp seem to be lining up to holster it when his base are done. Not to mention the supreme
crunchwrapcourt are in love with him too.You can say cock on the Internet. No one will tell on you.
That's it, I'm reporting you.
/s just in case
Send me to jail, offsir
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Someone knows their cock rights.
Not really, I'm just cock sure.
Well better not get cocky about it, okay?
I dread the day when every thread on Lemmy defaults to a series of puns.
It does feel inevitable though, like some sort of internet entropy - eventually everything morphs into wordplay.
Cockserisation 👌👌👌
Jokes aside, I feel like this is also just a human thing or guy thing, a bunch of my guy friends or family members and I would do the same thing IRL
My cocktail lefts. Just sayin.
Cocky.
True, and i have said all kinds of stuff in the internet but i dont want to too much. :p
fyi most Lemmy instances do not censor slurs, so unlike YouTube and Xitter you don't have to worry about that here
Why did you censor cock?
Seemed like the thing to do. Apparently struck a nerve lol
I’m calling on trump to commit suicide for the good of our country.
personally extending that to a fat majority of republicans
Most of the people who think Trump should drop out have been loudly opposing him for a long time. There isn't just one single thing they object to, no great unifying theme they can point at and say "This is why he should not run," because Everything about him is a reason why he should absolutely not be president. Even his Felony conviction is, while perhaps more than a drop, just a splash in the bucket of what should be utterly career ending circumstances.
The people who still support Trump don't care about any of that. They're not going to suddenly see one particular turn-off and decide that's it, that's why Trump should back out. They're committed, in too deep, they can't back down now because it would mean the Libs were actually right all along, and that presents, to them, an existential threat. And in the end, it's the Republican way.
When Democrats, even popular ones, fuck up, other Democrats are much more likely to turn on them, to call for and get resignations. With Republicans, that's almost unheard of. Republicans take Part Unity to an extreme, circling the wagons and assuming a full defensive position no matter how incredibly abhorrent the crime, no matter how blatant the evidence. Today we're seeing the perfect example. Biden fucked up a debate, stumbling over his own words like an old man well past his prime, and the party is calling for him to step down. Trump has built his whole political career on stumbling over his own words, with the only cogent statements he manages being blatant lies, and his people would rather murder their neighbors than see him lose.
As much as I agree with everything you say, there is one more thing that needs to be said.
I started watching the debate fully aware of the fact that Trump was a POS. Trump was a POS in 2016, 2020, and 2024. On the other hand, I started watching the debate hoping to see president Biden could make Trump look even dumber. What I got was a very clearly senile guy that failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minute debate.
Trump was who he has always been during the debate. Biden was senile during the debate. At this point I'm not asking Biden to drop because I like Trump. That is wrong. I hate Trump. I'm asking Biden to drop because I know he won't be able to beat Trump. On the other hand, he might have no problem beating medicare.
Oh look another super new account posting doom and gloom anti biden stuff. So weird.
On anything political, it's about as bad as reddit. Possibly worse, I haven't been on reddit for almost a year.
Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I'll be sitting out this election.
Enjoy.
Thanks for enabling the facism!
I love when trolls post bullshit like this, it just fires up the democratic voters. Biden will win with more votes than the last time he beat that 34 time convicted felon, rapist, loser.
Anyone who disagrees with you isn't a troll. Biden looked how he looked, and moderates/independents don't have the same appetite for copium as you do.
Sounds like something a troll would say. Your post history is also matching what a troll/bot is. I agree 100% that just because someone disagrees with me they aren't necessarily a bot, BUT, there's a fuckton of bots/trolls out there now to do what they did in 2016.
Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I’ll be sitting out this election.
Enjoy.
You are absolutely right. I'm a Russian bot.
I mean, if anything your lending more credibility to Trump if Biden stays in, kinda playing the "both sides" game. Especially saying things like "I know he won't be about to beat Trump", basically telling people it's pointless to vote for Biden.
Interesting way of saying "my human rights aren't up for debate every 4 years."
Lol, your account is six days old, nothing but troll posts. Bro, if you're not a bot, you're clearly not American, so you can just stfu K? Ty, go slob that putin knob boy.
you think rape and pedophilia are going to turn off republicans?
Savage!
And accurate, fighting both existing and new minimum marriage age requirements has been a priority for Republicans in like 10+ different states over the past 5 years or so.
Most people who want him to drop out were never going to vote for him anyway.
People (perhaps erroneously) perceive a chance of Biden actually doing it. Trump will never drop out as winning the presidency is his only shot at avoiding incarceration. He'll probably run again in 2028 if he's still around by then.
Trump isn't incumbent, meaning the GOP already had a full primary in the past year. They've already determined they don't have a better alternative. Technically the Dems could have nominated someone other than Biden, but it was never a very likely possibility, so people aren't as familiar with Democratic alternatives.
Republicans either don't believe any of the criticisms you made of Trump are true, are okay with them, still believe him to be the lesser of two evils, or some combination of these. This is largely due to right-wing propaganda e.g. Fox News, OAN, Info Wars, etc.
I'm no expert, these are just what I perceive to be happening. There's probably other factors at play as well.
Edit: with the recent supreme court rulings, I'm guessing that he may be able to avoid jail even if he doesn't win. I still don't see any chance he'll drop out.
If a democrat fucks up, that's big news because they're supposed to have their shit together and act in the best interest of all of us.
If a republican fucks up, that's expected. Any articles about that are like 'water is wet'. It's not informative because we all know, even the conservatives who vote for them, that they're in it for themselves and are out to get everyone else.
The truth is that Trump has done more for conservative causes than any president prior. He installed the far right justices that have toppled Roe v Wade and affirmative action. He enacted things like the Muslim travel bans. In short, either they know he's a scumbag and don't care because he gets results, or they don't believe their own lyin' eyes because look at the results he produces. It's all about the bottom line, and the ends justify the means.
For the voters, they really don't believe it. I have conservative family members. Everything is always "Oh that's just bullshit cooked up by the crooked Biden crime family" "Oh he didn't mean the words he said very clearly, what he really meant was blah blah blah" followed ten seconds later by "I like him because he tells it like it is"
I just don't get it. What makes this guy seemingly have a force field that can make people deny their own eyes and ears? Ignoring morals here, just thinking with those patterns would give me a cognitive dissonance aneurysm.
Closeted socialist here. I work in an extremely remote 24/7 process industry. They play Newsmax on the TVs in the chow hall and the only time they don't is when they are replacing tvs. EVERYONE here is a degree of an alt righter. Some were at J6. Some have "Alex Jones was right" on their thermos'. I honestly believe some would kill me if I said I've read Marx. Not a single one of them could accurately define a political, economic, or social system without distracting with tropes, jingoistic rhetoric, or whataboutisms. Academic education is brainwashing. Christianity is a brand-name but you don't have to read the Bible to be a christian. I made the mistake of expressing my disappointment of Trump because of what he has said about veterans. I was mocked for believing propaganda and over time I have become known as "the liberal". That was all it took.
It's frustrating, and I daily struggle with unchecked bigotry. But most people here do not wake up and choose to be racist or evil. They are doing what their wildly misled moral compass is telling them to be righteous. In their eyes, the pandering of the media that we see is absolute and total corruption to them. The media does lie, they have lied. Most of them couch it In ignorance and a whispered redaction, but that's all it took. If they can lie about anything, then they must be lying about the unflattering things. There's a bit of head-in-the-sand and delusion, but in their eyes the rape, the lawsuits, the theft from taxpayers, all of it is exactly what they would say if they were trying to make him look bad. That's enough for them.
I honestly don't blame them. They have fallen for grifts, lies, and propaganda that goes back at least 200 years.
Critical Support for ZMonster. I also have to suffer ignorance with MAGA friends and family. Stay safe.
🙏 Good on you. Thanks and same to you. Luckily I used to be petulant and conservative so I can fit in when I need to. And my income is used by my partner to raise a child surrounded by love, understanding, and encouragement. So I feel like I'm filtering a portion of capitalism into raising a little communist. 🤣 It's enough to keep me gritting through the xenophobia. 😬
We saw fireworks last night, and my daughter mentioned, “Is that why your property taxes are so high?” I laughed. Raising class conscious kids is fun . 🤩
at the end of the day they are idiots who fell for a grift as old as time.
I think this type of thinking is just as toxic as the thinking of the ones you so quickly call "idiots". Not only do you fail to affect the situation in any positive way, but you harden the commitment of those that fell for the grift. Furthermore, you're blatantly wrong. I'm sure there are things you are ignorant about. I'm positive I could find things that you think that I could demonstrate to be wildly inaccurate (mostly because I work in a very niche field that very few people do). None of them would make you an idiot. It's okay to not know something. I'm not saying you should pander to anyone, but patience is a balm. Have some.
I feel ya. I didn’t talk to my mom for 2 months after she voted for Trump. This, after 4 years of me detailing his actions. Then I realized that it’s not their fault. They were never given the tools to navigate politics with education. The media lies to them. And their social circles repeat these lies. I was once just like them.
No doubt. Every friend I have is a trumper, but my best friend believes in the cabal. It's tough and it's heartbreaking. But I decided I'm just going to be an example of tolerance if nothing else.
Ah yes, tolerate their intolerance. Sounds like resignation to me.
Well, I don't agree with you lol.
Seems I found the first thing you're ignorant about. Perspective.
No, you're just making a generalization of me based off one opinion I have that you disagree with.
I used to work at a place where an entire department was like that. They'd always have Jordan Peterson's latest talk/show/podcast on in the background, MAGA merch, etc. They'd always have the facial expression of an inmate mugshot. And they'd always be super short with people. One of them made a point of saying the N word as much as they could.
Any time I had to interact with them I'd dread it. I can only imagine how terribly it would have gone if I had dared say anything political in earshot of them.
I said the same thing the other day. They don't care. They just want results. It could be a ham sandwich that is starting to mold, and if the ham sandwich got the same results, there would be morons out there wearing ham sandwich hats.
Moldy ham sandwich '24
Has a nice ring to it.
Perhaps you missed the last almost 4 years where people were doing precisely that. There was this whole thing with Ron Desantis, and Nikki Haley, and the brainworms inside of JFK, Jr., etc. It didn't work, and his base chose Trump, if not unanimously then close enough to it, and also far back enough in the past for such a call to not be relevant anymore. Plus conservatives are just different kinds of people - for them, power is not bestowed upon someone by We The People, but ripped out of the people's hands by force of will. Might does make Right after all, in their playbook.
But Dems are not choosing Biden. Also, no primaries are being held. So asking him to drop out is the last hope before holding your nose and voting for him anyway, hoping against hope that just like for Hillary, others do as well (although in that case... well, I'm sure this time will be different. Why am I sure? Bc... shut up, that's why!:-P /s).
Funny, because Joe Biden's policies are popular with Democrats AND Republicans. The MSM, one the other hand, seems to believe everyone wants a dictatorship so they are attacking Joe Biden for bullshit reasons. Make no mistake, the right will seize power and end your freedom.
The mainstream media is bought by the trillionaires, so I'm mostly ignoring them.
I thought The Atlantic was basically the last one left. Even The Guardian has encroached first into clickbait titles and now several paragraphs at the top of clickbait content even if the latter part of an article can finally get into real stuff. So it is in transition as it finishes off the enshittification process it already began.
But The Atlantic... I hold to a different standard, in my mind, and when they speak, I still listen. Perhaps I shouldn't - can you point to an example from them that shows that they have jumped the shark too? The Atlantic isn't in the same class as e.g. the NYT!!?! They are still worthwhile (I thought?)!
So media aside, people - especially young people that don't have the personal history with political matters - they watched the debate, or saw clips of its worst moments. They see this shit with their own eyes. It's not just the media doing a hit job, as has been true in the past. This time it's real.
Asking your President to remain awake during a conversation, especially one prepared for literally weeks to months in advance does not sound like bullshit to me. Rather it sounds like the basic foundation for any job that I've ever had personally, and have ever so much as heard of.
Perhaps Biden('s people) should not have agreed to a debate in this format, giving only 2 minutes for each question, that favored Trump's style of false but pithy statements? Nonetheless, he did agree...
Also I'm not saying he's senile, though I would like for a real test to be done. In any case, can we agree that it doesn't matter at this point? Doing the debate in that manner caused a LOT of harm to his campaign. Maybe I'm just not stating it in the right words, but that's more along the lines of what I mean...
In more detail: we cannot control people. Hillary Clinton failed to earn sufficient votes, and Trump won in 2016. Now, is Biden repeating the same pattern? Vote Blue No Matter Who is an authoritarian dogma - but we have no power to enforce it. People, especially the youth, will do as they please. The only hope is to try to earn it? That's going to be a LOT more difficult now, than it was prior to the debate...
"Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line."
I actually disagree with this sentiment.
There's clearly a split in the Democratic Party regarding the candidates and leanings of the old guard, vs a very large portion of their voter base that wants structural reforms in the country (universal public healthcare VS increased access to insurance, for instance), and I bet a large portion of the latter feel whipped into having to vote for a lesser evil rather than for a political project they actually have passion for.
Meanwhile, Trump was an outsider of the Republican party who managed to get their voters in love with him, to the point that he managed to hijack the party and leave it ripe open for a transformation from neoconservative to proto-fascist, despite the Republican old guard initially being hostile towards him.
The Republican party has managed to stay competitive, despite their political goals being less popular overall in the US than the Dems', precisely because they allowed themselves to mutate and stay responsive to the changes in the electorate, the obvious tragedy being that democratic institutions (mostly referring to both political parties) have been far more willing to incorporate far right nutjobs who want to end democracy than they have for left-wing populism that wants to make housing affordable.
I don't know if you don't realize it, but you just agreed with the pithy quote.
My point is that plenty of high-information Democrat voters ultimately fall in line, but the party fails to reach further beyond, while Republicans don't actually have to "fall in line", because they like what they're voting for. Is this not the opposite of the quote?
It depends who the Republicans and Democrats are. Republican Voters fell in love - Establishment Republicans fell in line. Republican Officials all talked about how terrible Trump was and would be but still get on their knees when it's time.
Democratic Voters fall in love, with Bernie and AOC and their guy. Establishment Democrats tell them to get in line... Well, the Voters either do or don't show up.
So, you're correct that the original subversion was true but it also depends on who any individual commenter references as "The Dems" and "The Repubs" which you can always shift to suit your needs.
The Republican party pretends they're wagging the dog but they don't even have a leash.
Democrats spend all their time telling anybody left of the mid right DNC establishment to eat shit except for the lap they take during election years to blame all their woes on those same leftists.
Nobody fell in love with biden in 2020. He was crowned the nominee because they told everyone that somehow out of all candidates he was the best chance against trump and democrats fell in line, just like they did in 2016 for hillary.
Since I've been able to vote, I've heard this. But the people in charge of the Democratic Party never seem to want to get people to fall in line. They're content to be the default alternative to a party that demands rigid adherence.
Republicans love Trump, and Democrats keep ordering their voters to fall in line.
The illegitimate SCOTUS failed to rule on his 14th Amendment disqualification because they don't care about The Constitution. The fact that he is even a candidate shows how many republicans wipe their asses with the document.
Because his supporters support him to "fuck the liberals" they don't care that trailer trash will get fucked harder under trump
Because Trump is winning in the polls handily and has robust support from his base.
Biden is the opposite: he's losing in the polls, his disapproval numbers are the highest in the history of modern polling, and many of the people that will vote for him will do it only because they have to.
Trump supporters have to as well but for different reasons. If they don't drink the Kool-aid and play along socially they are ostracized. Which doesn't help anyone.
As a non American, Trump winning the election makes sesne. But in general, WTF is going on in America?!
capitalism just progressing to it's natural end stage.
Also...
First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. This allows the legacy political parties to run incredibly weak candidates since there is no competition in the electoral system.
With a more representative voting system (much like Ranked Choice voting) people would be free to vote for the person that best represents them, while still counting their vote if that candidate doesn't win.
I'd run but no one will vote for someone with no criminal record and refuses to lie.
"First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. "
Kiiiind of, Canada has fptp as well and we have about 4.5ish competitive parties, Liberal Party, Conservative Party, NDP ("socialist" party), Bloc Quebecois (Quebec focussed party [used to be a sepratist party, but has evolved to just focus on getting more favourable policies for Quebec since separating has fallen out of favour in Quebec), and the .5 would be the Green Party. So we can vote against the main 2 without wasting our votes/effectively voting for the party we hate more. BUT the reason I said kinda is notice I said Main 2. NDP has won opposition a few times (2nd most voted for party nationally), but Only 2 parties have ever been the most voted for in an election, the Liberals and the Conservatives. (Bloc Quebecois has won the provincial government multiple times in Quebec, but obviously has never been a contender for national government)
(Green is .5 because most people know about them, but to my knowledge they have never won even a provincial government, which the other 4 all have multiple times)
Edit: Guess theres a bunch of Americans pissed that they cant blame how fucked their political system is just on FPTP
Canada is a two party system, because they fit the definition, the majority of the legislature is controlled by the main two parties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada
Of the 338 seats, 81% of them are held by either the conservative or liberal party. The other parties have no shot of winning a majority, or taking away any significant number of seats from the big two parties.
Once again, NDP has won Opposition before (which to those unfamiliar, means that it held more legislative power than all other parties aside from the one that won the election). It is a viable 3rd option and likely would have won the national election roughly a decade ago if Jack Layton hadnt died of cancer during his run.
And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.
TL:DR your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties. Canadian 3rd parties are VASTLY more viable than American ones
And the U.S. had the federalist party which once held power. An extra party being previously viable in the past has little to do with whether or not a legislature is controlled by 1 of 2 parties.
"X party can team up with y" also doesn't negate the definition of a two party system. Cooperation or not, the conservatives and liberals control the overwhelming majority of the seats.
I'll be honest, I'm not Canadian and rarely speak about Canadian politics. So in no way am I entrenching the two most powerful parties.
And my last paragraph isn't false. There are 338 seats in your house of Commons, and 81% of them are held by the two dominant parties. That is objectively true. The final sentence is a subjective one.
Sure, 3rd parties in Canada fair considerably better than they do in the U.S., but it seems pretty clear that they have no shot of getting a majority.
So with all of these things together, Canada is a two party system as well, largely due to the use of FPTP voting. We need more representative systems like approval and star voting.
Ah ok, you have zero idea what you are talking about and are projecting American politics onto Canada. Canada has FPTP and Canada is not in anyway a 2 party country. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois have both had a very strong influence on our political landscape and just because our CURRENT government gives souch power to our two most powerful parties doesnt in anyway mean that the NDP gaining significant amount of power is an anomaly, as it has done so many times in the past
That's being an alarmist to the point of absurdity.
Trump can say a lot of things. He can say he'll leave NATO. He can say he'll stop sending aid to Ukraine.
He can say whatever he wants, and I have no doubt the idiot actually believes it. After all, he said he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. He Said he was going to deport all DACA child. Hell, if I remember correctly, he said during the last campaign that he was going to leave NATO as well unless they fucking paid him, like it's some sort of protection racket.
Despite the recent SC ruling, and despite four years of failing to actually do anything he said he could do, he still believes he's a god-king. But with the exception of a presidential decree, which can be blocked by congress; nothing he's fucking babbling about can just "be done" on his word. It has to pass Congress and the Senate, which will, despite the eventual winner of the presidency, remain close enough in seats for cooler heads to stop his bullshit. There are enough republicans, even in a Trump administration, that would never dream of fucking up that much.
The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.
If he actually had the power to do what he says he can, he would have done it in his first term. But even in a party of of racists and MAGA, there are enough adults to keep him distracted with colouring books.
The problem is that Trump (if elected) gets to appoint a bunch of yes-man lackeys to all the cabinet positions, meaning that there are fewer of those adults in the room to stop him from doing stupid shit.
The American people called for him to dropout in 2020. He didn't listen.
I didnt hear this. Maybe because I was too far away in europe, but it didnt seem, that the US had enough of this pussygrabber
It just doesn't really sound like "people called him to drop out, if almoat 50% of a country vote directly for him
Yeah thats right, I didnt know the hard numbers thats on me.
But you need to really overthink you government system over there, because the guy 30% of you want destroys alot more than the trust in the US system.
More than half of us have had enough. I'm not sure what's wrong about the others...
Cool story.
People that want to stay free must learn to vote for the most viable candidate, whether they like them or not. Republicans know the left actually value proper behaviour and consistency from their candidates, so the left is vulnerable to this kind of attack. The republicans don't care what you say about their candidate, they just want to win. But especially they want you to lose.
Conservatives need other people to lose, because if other people lose it feels like they are winning.
It's why they call they cops on people for no reason. It's why gender neutral bathrooms are bad. It's why contraception is bad. It's why healthcare and other social safety nets are bad.
If other people don't lose, they don't win. Zero sum thinking means they need you to lose.
They sound like losers
The people calling for Biden to drop out are completely different from the people who want Trump to stay in the race.
Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don't believe he can beat Trump.
Republicans want Trump to stay on the ticket because they're pretty sure he'll crush Biden .
Trump controls a cult, that's why.
Cult leaders can get their followers to do anything and the followers will forgive the leader for anything, including felonies. They will dismiss any criticism of the leader as lies or made up to hurt the leader politically. No matter how true the criticism might be.
At the end of the day, it's very much like the relationship between religious worshippers and their god.
Because we don't expect him to have any shame or decency.
The only people I see calling for Biden to drop out are the media news companies.
It’s basically a fake controversy. They benefit massively from stirring the pot so people tune in to “see what’s going to happen”.
Reality is if Biden were going to drop out, he’d already have done it.
Firstly, foreign nations interfering with our country wants chaos. Trump is chaos but they will latch onto anything to sew discord and craziness.
Second the Republicans don't care they are voting for Trump period or against democrats period there is little to change their mind. Conservatives don't have to do something to win they have to hold every one and anything back.
Thirdly, the left is critical thinkers who are trying for better so there is always dissent or people criticizing/arguing the best way to do a thing causing lots of bad will. Doesn't help we don't have a left party and have a middle party always trying to court to the right.
Lastly, there is tons of could been better should have done better. Democrats and DnC sucks. They have a bunch of old fogeys holding onto power and their donors want people who won't change things to much. Doesn't help the corpos where use to having zero lights shined on them under Trump and they can do whatever. Where as even if most of it was toothless Biden actually did a little bit and said a few things that upset the corps
Ok everybody. New plan. Everybody vote for me. Here's my platform. Fuck EVERYBODY!!! Equally. No racism. No discrimination. You ALL get a middle finger to the face. In fact, fuck the donkey, fuck the elephant, my party emblem is a big middle finger. The fucking party. Don't you want to join the fucking party? I know you want to join the fucking party. You know how hitler had the hitler salute? Well we have giving people the finger. Thats our partys gesture. In fact, do two middle fingers! Double up, mother fuckers!
And my campaign promise? I will fuck up this country at a slower rate than these two old geezers. Actually, first day in office, my first official act as president will be to give both of them the finger.
My second act will be bacon. Just.....just bacon.
You've got my vote. I'm not American but you can rule over my country and give our band of useless cretins the finger too.
Man, I need me a US passport just to vote for you
that's not how anything works.
Ah, no voting for them, then
Lots of people have a problem with Trump. All the more reason to want someone opposing him who can beat him.
Who do you have in mind?
I don't understand how this is supposed to be like some 'gotcha' question. Biden wasn't a strong candidate in 2016 and lost to Hillary, who then lost to Trump. He wasn't a strong candidate in 2020 which is why he barely squeaked by Trump to victory. He's an even worse candidate in 2024 which is why Trump again has a shot at the presidency.
None of this is new information and the party has has nearly a decade to find a good candidate, yet they keep foisting some of the most unlikable people upon us election afrer election after election. It almost seems as if they're doing it on purpose at this point. It's not our fault that they've waited until the 11th hour to listen to the complaints and even acknowledge what we've all been saying for years. If Biden loses again, maybe stop looking at leftists to blame and start looking at the people in charge of this private organization deciding the fate of us all.
That's a long way to go to avoid a question, several paragraphs and you can't even come up with one name.
Fine: Bernie. Happy now that you've got a name?
Fucking Internet lefties and demanding someone have all the answers or they're not worth listening to
Ah, there it is.
he is under no obligation to have a name at hand. that is what primaries are for. not having a name at hand doesn't make biden best possible candidate, or even passable one.
fuck off (you are on my blocklist now, don't bother crafting elaborate answer designed to just piss me off)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Ignoring the rest of my comment to make me look like I'm demeaning all people on the left and not a specific subset of people who argue in bad faith like yourself?
Also a classic move by those same people!
Bernie? The only potential candidate even older than the two in contention?
Did I say he was perfect?
I simply provided a name when the bad faither's pretended like that was the essential part of the argument at hand
And yet, instead of answering a simple question, you've launched into a 'if only we could change the past' screed.
If there was a good answer to the question, people like you would just answer.
That isn't a "if we could only change the past screed," it's calling the party leadership out for allowing things to get to this point. Where in a bus barreling toward the edge of a cliff while the driver has been ignoring our pleas to turn literally any other direction. Now we're feet from the edge and you want to chastise us for not giving an exact direction earlier and happily plummet over the cliff with the driver.
there is 333 milion people in the us. roughly 1/4 of them is of sufficient age and pro-democracy. one of them has to be able to put together coherent sentence.
Anybody but Biden. Kamala seems to be the expected replacement, that works. If not her, pretty much anyone else. Trump is a terrible candidate. While he has experience in show business, he's way past his prime and pretty much any person should be able to beat him in a debate at this point.
I was actually recently thinking through people I've known and whether they could've done a better job debating Trump than Biden did. Generally any adult with a functioning mind would do better. Adults I've known with a HS education could've crushed Trump in that debate. I'm actually not sure if a homeless guy I once debated on the street regarding the meaning of pi would do better or worse than Biden, he seemed to be at about Trump's level of sanity and if Trump won this last debate, well yeah even he'd do better than Biden. I can also think of some older teenage jocks I once knew, and while they were dumb as rocks their teenager swagger would've been more convincing than Biden's rambling failed attempts to remember rote speeches.
If I try to think of who is actually about at Biden's level, I think of myself at the age of 13, when I had a presentation in front of the class on an issue and for some reason I was struck by that early teenager nervousness, and haltingly tried to give a presentation as the class tried failingly to hide their laughter at how terribly it was going. It was probably the most embarrassing day of my life. That's Biden's level right there, because he sounded just like me back then giving that presentation. So any person in their late teens or older with a full grasp on sanity should be a much better candidate than Biden.
Don’t forget Kim Jong Un. “Beautiful” letters.
If he had any decency or moral, Trump should have stepped down himself.
Also, kindly remind everyone with a vagina and everyone who cares about someone with one: This year's presidential election is about abortion access. Roe vs Wade was repealed by extremist MAGA judges appointed by Trump.
Lolwut
everyone is kind of giving snarky answers with a couple helpful tidbits in between but the true answer is:
trump is polling well. current polling indicates that trump is doing good enough at what is expected of him, which at the moment is simply running a campaign that will beat the democratic candidate.
people only really start calling for dropping out en masse when polls start to significantly falter because it’s an indication that the candidate is no longer running a competitive campaign.
Yeah but the polls didn't significantly falter, they're still statistically tied with only a margin of error shift since the debate.
This isn't an organic moment of partisan reconsideration. It's being pushed by the same folks who were already loudly and obnoxiously telling us about how they don't like Joe and threatening to vote protest or skip voting because, shock of shocks, nobody primaried the sitting president and risk sowing division right before an election where the other candidate is Hitler's inbred pet mango.
People are pretty divided and strongly set in their beliefs. Most of the things that come out of Trumps mouth mean I’ll vote for a shrubbery if it is the only other choice
… but I do also think Biden has done a pretty good job and would like to see more of the same, with a hop to the left
I'm decently confident that if we don't see it with Biden we'll see it with the candidates who come for 28. I'm crossing my fingers for Whitmer right now, plenty of progressive bonafides, runs a solidly blue government in a swing state quite well, and the Redcaps literally plotted to kidnap her and do a lot of other nasty shit I won't write out to her so we're hardly gonna have to worry about her not taking the threat seriously.
I can't believe how far down I had to scroll for a genuine answer. Thank you. Have my only upvote in this thread.
I can't believe how far down I had to scroll for a genuine answer. Thank you. Have my only upvote in this thread.
No one is asking him to drop out because they aren't afraid he's going to lose. Simple as that.
Everyone with their panties in a twist right now could have done something about it during the primaries, but apparently protest votes about Israeli atrocities were the priority.
I did vote against him in the primary so I reserve the right to have my panties in a twist. My protest vote was for another candidate.
Yes, that is how it works. Their electorate chose Biden so they run that candidate. And that also means circling the wagons around him.
I just hope all the disillusioned people still vote for him, as the rest of the world cannot handle another trump term. Trump exemplifies a lot of what is wrong with the world, and we don't need another 4 years of a loudmouth, lying, traitorous wannabe dictator who will show the world how he can cozy up and embolden actual dictators and take the reigns of big corporations to continue to rape the planet for profit. That is just too bad of an example.
And yet that guy is polling ahead of the guy you want to circle the wagons around, and you don't see why people like me are upset about it. It's like the Dem leadership are trying to throw the election on purpose.
Hey I have been rooting for Bernie from the sidelines for decades.
Register Republican and vote for anyone but Trump. Even if the vote were split and he ended up winning anyway it would have emboldened centrist Republicans to stand against the fascist wing of the party.
You are suggesting that anti-Israel protesters should have spontaneously joined the Republican party en mass as a ploy to throw the primaries?
Damn, when you put it like that I guess it is their fault.
I'm suggesting that literally every eligible voter should have done that. Republicans only get away with representing the worst vocal minorities in this country because we let them.
If 17 million dems just showed up out of nowhere to throw the vote, the GOP would just overturn the results.
To pick a losing candidate? That's more of a DNC move.
One party has principles, arguably too much in some sense.
The other either just voting for them because they love tradition so much they need to vote someone conservative, just want less taxes, or outright just evil and want to see the suffering of their fellow human beings if those happen to belong to the wrong group.
The principle of Genocide!
Oops moral high-ground gone again.
Horse Race reporting, it's literally all the mainstream has to say people are concerned about because his performance actually holds up when you check the stats.
But if you dare say that people are literally being manipulated into thinking he's worse than he is you're "not understanding the median voter's struggles"
We need to force the sale of news corporations to the journalists so this profit maxxing bothsidesifying shit can go the way of the dodo.
Consolidation of US media. Billionaires will burn the world down rather than cede an inch, and it's their narratives that get amplified.
People do, you call them Biden supporters and dismiss them because “they wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway”
Or you say Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus and it’s all lies created by the devil
Because we know he won’t. It’s pointless. They both need to just fucking die.
Because people have a slight sliver of hope that Biden might listen to them.
Because, realistically, he won't listen.
Biden won't either, because he's already proved he can win this race and you don't retire a winning horse.
I keep seeing this sentiment, and it boggles me. Last season's winning horse just debuted this season with a huge limp, and the response from some people has been "it's fine, stop panicking, we'll win if we just keep betting on it."
Also, his debates last time weren't... ideal, but he at least remained awake during them!? Anyway, I'm with you: I understand someone wanting him to win, but how on earth can this be considered a done deal already?
There is a time and a place to stop all questions and get to work. But we aren't there yet!? And being ready to change one's mind based on the most current set of facts is literally the hallmark of the Age of Enlightenment, as opposed to e.g. the divine right of rulers to continue for as long as they wish to?
It's fine if you want to criticize Biden, but can we stop with the Sleepy Joe bullshit? It's nothing but Trump's political slander.
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thing, you know the thing, that does the stuff?
Please note, I'm not suggesting to not vote Democrat. Also, the sleepy Joe stuff back then was different than it was here during this debate?
Yes, not the whole thing, but I watched enough and I'm not even American. Is there a specific part you'd like to point out?
This is also relevant and worth considering: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/biden-quips-almost-fell-asleep-onstage-debate-rcna160075
Also, can you type normally, please? I'm not sure what your formatting is trying to convey but it feels either sarcastic or condescending for no good reason.
I think the part where he finally beat medicare is the best example.
https://youtu.be/i3eYmc1AkMs?si=RJkeAb7gwN_TJOSG
That's a funny bit of fumbling. Reminds me of Bush's "You can't get fooled again" and the other contender's own brand of hilarious fumbling and ramblings.
Three fucking years, Joe being senile was a "conspiracy theory" and then they trot captain Alzheimer's out
Tbf it really did seem a conspiracy theory back when it started. He used to be fairly energetic, despite being old. But, time passes.
The problem now is that unlike conservatives, liberals don't take as kindly to being lied to, and to say that he's both too old to speak and also not too old to be President... it just doesn't sit right.
Particularly when the same wing of the party was utterly vicious about Sanders' age when he was 75 back in 2016.
Case by case basis. Sanders, Trump, etc, not too old yet, Biden too old despite being numerically the same.
You’re right, it’s worse than being sleepy, it’s dramatic dementia and cognitive decline.
Cognitive decline, probably at his age, but dementia? Says which medical professional? lol
Trump has 88 really good reasons not to drop out. Without control of the justice system he’s going to be in jail for the rest of his life and republicans have shackled themselves to him.
I don’t know if you’ve been not paying attention but even if he’s not elected, he will never see the inside of a jail cell. Trump is untouchable. I’m not sure why, most people speculate he has dirt on some very powerful people - really serious dirt on many really powerful people. That’s only speculation, but if you recall during his first campaign he bragged about how much he was loved and worshiped he said he could walk out of Trump tower onto Fifth Avenue, and shoot someone dead in broad daylight and he would never face any consequences whatsoever. And he was right.
this isn't 2020. it's 2024, and a different race. Trump has had 4 years to retcon (or rather double down?) on his reputation. (whatever, he's had four years to shore up his support.). Further, in 2020... the war in ukraine hadn't started yet, neither had the Israeli genocide in gaza; the Pandemic was still on-going (and trump was fucking up left right and center on that.)
the point being, the circumstances are different and Biden has a lot of baggage he's carrying- especially lately with Gaza. As they say in stocks: Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.
It's going to be a battle, and I'm not sure Biden can win.
That said, Trump belongs in jail. (or the grave. I make exceptions for certain things. like being a rapist pedophile traitor.)
In a sane world, that should be enough for a cardboard cut out of Yogi Bear to win. I used to think that Princess Amidala being 14 and the planetary head of state was hilariously unrealistic, yet here we are hoping to elect an asshole that supports genocide because the other guy is a cartoon villain that would happily genocide his own citizens because they didn't let him do his pedophile-rape thing. It's the kind of plot Palpatine would appreciate.
REMEMBER: You need that horse for working right AFTER the race.
You and I need that. Does the DNC?
No, i do not need any of these clowns.
What is a dnc?
The Democratic National Committee - the ruling elite of the Democratic Party. I'm saying the people want effective governance but the party just wants power.
This isn't 2020 though, at this point in 2020 Biden had a 8 point lead on Trump and even then he only won a narrow victory in the electoral college with Pennsylvania, Arizona and Wisconsin, now he's down by 2 points overall and down even worse in those swing states. Then he was a relative unknown and people were willing to give him a shot against the known evil of trump . Now people have gotten to see him and they do not like what they see, his approval rating is worse then Trump's was at the depths of the pandemic.
Where is this reasoning that "Biden should withdraw" is a Russian talking point coming from besides the paranoid delusions of liberals who blame everything bad on Russia. Putin knows even less then us on whether Biden withdrawing would be good or bad for trump.
It's not even like this is a fringe idea any more, members of the house are calling for him to step down and even pelosi thinks it's a legitimate question, are they Russian trolls? We need to have a serious discussion on this and not dismiss the other side as a psyop like alex Jones, otherwise we're gonna let inertia carry us to a loss like in 2016.
They don't blame everything bad on Russia. They blame everything they don't like on Russia. It's why they scream that anyone who says Biden should stop supporting genocide is a Russian.
A winning horse?!
It's hard to imagine how you could pick a horse less likely to win.
Except, presumably, all the people he beat out for the nomination.
Look, I loved Dave too, but it was fiction.
You do when the Kentucky Derby is next week and it's got a broken leg
Because they don't have anybody else who can pull in his vote share.
because 50% of americans are facists?
I call for him to drop out......of a boeing.
Might be more effective to make him stay in it, all the way down
We should try both... For science.
you mean to start the experiment by cutting him in half? i am in 😆
In the name of scientific accuracy, absolutely. Can't go having inconclusive results, can we? Now I know one might be inclined to split him top and bottom but I posit we do left and right.
I have access to a cleaning/cutting/welding laser. I would like to do the vertical cut.... that too is for science....
It's not science unless you're using fancy equipment during the practical experiment!
Have you seen the cost of those things? (Or what they do to rust?)
so how about a compromise and splitting him in 8 parts along all three axes?
More opportunity for experimentation, I like it!
his jet is a boeing.
Maybe they have a door plug by his desk?
If you want an honest answer, I'd recommend finding some place that has a decent population of openly right-wing people so you can get an answer from them directly, rather than left-wingers snarking and saying they're all brainwashed fanatics that would never dissent from the party's candidate.
The short answer is that they don't believe any of the things OP said, or they can overlook them because they believe worse things about Biden/the democrats.
I'd be thrilled if they both dropped out.
Why would he drop out? His racist and nonsensical ramblings are what Republicans/conservatives/the wealthy and his base want. It's leftist and some liberals who don't want that. Which is why there are calls for Biden to drop out. That's not complicated. I barely even understand how this is a question
Because suggesting your enemy do things is meaningless.
I think you misunderstand who is asking Biden to drop out and why.
Dems are interested in who is the DNC candidate and Republicans are interested in the GOP candidate.
Republicans as a whole are OK with Trump. He's not incredibly popular, but he has some achievements under his belt and has a relatively small but very loyal core group of voters. The average Republican believes that a) Trump has good chances of winning election and b) will likely move forward conservative policy objectives.
Therefore, why would they want him to drop out?
If we look on the other side at Biden. A growing group of people believe that he is not 100% mentally there because of his age. Because of this, not only does he a) have lower chances of winning the election but also b) is he really competent enough to be president? Sure, there's a sort of shadow administration behind him but people still put value in having a strong and mentally quick head of state.
Beyond that, there's also a small group of progressive voters who are unhappy with Biden's policies. He simply isn't a very effective leader and is one of the most unpopular presidents in US history. He's even more unpopular than Trump, who was also a deeply unpopular president.
So, people want Biden to resign because they believe other people would not only a better chance of winning election, but would be more effective leaders in terms of advancing DNC policy objectives.
One thing I never understand is that all I ever hear about from Republicans is how old Biden is. While being true and not that I necessarily like Biden no one ever talks about how Trump is only three years younger. Biden has to answer for his age all the time but it's not a thing Trump typically deals with
Different standards. Conservatives did this since the fall of kings, and doing this while want to reinstate them.
If the opponent messes up, they're incompetent. If they themselves, it's either someone else's problem, just part of being human, or try to cover it up with the media until everyone forgets it.
Because if Biden can't finish his term, a black woman will be president.
Because tRump doesnt stutter and plays golf like its his religion, which keeps him in decent shap for an old man, and now that he is on ozempic he is finally slimming down and looking healthy for the first time in 50 years.
Keeps him in decent shape!? Thanks for the laugh!
On top of that, it's an issue that will easily change the leanings of a lot of low-information voters. Republicans know that the 2025 agenda isn't popular with moderates, and while most of Biden's policies have been short-reaching, they're generally considered a positive (save for Gaza), so they attack at the very obvious and glaring weak point that isn't actually policy-related.
The age isn't itself the problem. Cognitive decline is the problem. Biden is in rapid decline; Trump is still a ways off.
Trump has been rambling incoherently for years. Nothing he says makes any sense but he speaks confidently enough that the uneducated masses can't even tell it's nonsense.
Yeah.
This is from 2018 and not even his worst ones
https://youtu.be/1ZAPwfrtAFY?si=7oMM2yRvyynrZm5c&t=192
The people calling for Biden to drop out are supporters of his party, the democrats, who recognize that he’s unfit and incapable of winning. They want him to be replaced by someone else to increase their party’s chances of victory.
No one is calling for trump to drop out because he’s looking more fit in comparison to Biden and he’s projected to win. No one would call for a candidate to drop out when they’re in the lead if they support that candidates party.
Criminal allegations, true or false, don’t enter into it because America has a two tiered justice system where the wealthy and powerful are less beholden to the law than the rest of us and because presidency requires the violation of myriad international laws, norms and human rights.
The job title might as well be War Criminal in Chief and none of the allegations leveled at trump are disqualifying.
I don't actually think that statement is true. Polls are notoriously wrong all the time, and the members of the Democratic Party requesting he drop out are doing so because they're afraid to say otherwise. I'll give you an example. Members of the Republican party notably were very critical of Trump until they realised that to continue in the political sphere they were going to have to get along to get along when it became clear he was the front runner.
The members of the DNC who are asking for Biden to step down are doing so even though they know that no other possible candidate is likely to win. They did the same with Bernie Sanders in 2016. They aren't worried that he'll lose the popular vote. They're worried he'll lose Electoral College votes because some of them are apparently still on the fence. If they wanted to put forth another candidate they would have already. Who have they put forward to put on the ticket? No one. Because they don't have anyone else either. For them it's a no win situation and they're scared so they're trying to cover their own asses.
I actually agree with your last sentence. it's a no-win situation for the democrats and there's a seemingly growing contingent that thinks the best loss they can take is one where a new candidate or set of candidates are introduced to the electorate.
polls are wrong all the time, you're right. what does it look like if against all odds, biden wins? the man has shown himself to be incapable of cognitive function. should voters fall back on trusting his cabinet and handlers "our competent administrators, their unelected sycophants" style?
hes facing significant opposition from the other branches of government and even at the end of his life when faced with a supreme court ruling that gives him the legal go ahead to enact his administrations policies he won't do it.
that's not looking like a great second term. if he lives through it then they're the do-nothing democrats who can't accomplish their agenda and abandon their constituents, if he dies then they've got kamala who would be very funny but is incredibly disliked.
the democrats are between a rock and a hard place right now because they ran on trump being a dictatorial fascist who will crown himself god-king and now that hes going to win they're at fault for cynically using the threat of fascism to get votes instead of building the kind of base to oppose fascism that one and a quarter centuries of history would dictate or being the boy who cried wolf if it turns out there's a peaceful transition of power in 2028.
basically there's no way forward with their current messaging and platform because when trump wins and institutes american fascism (it's already here, but i'm typing from the perspective of democratic strategists) they're naive buffons who pissed away their time and resources trying to get people to vote for an inadequate candidate on a shuffling the deck chairs platform and when trump doesn't send the brownshirts into the streets and has a largely uneventful second term theyre the people who pissed away their time and resources on a candidate and platform which aren't up to the challenges we face because of orange man bad.
they're done for and the best possible outcome is an uneventful trump presidency with a smooth handover complete with "restored faith in our electoral process". in that case it's best to go ahead and start getting their benchwarmers out on the field to find out whos up to the task in 2026 and 2028.
I think you'll find that basically everyone on the left would like for Trump to step down. But it's a waste of breath to actually voice it.
Lol no one wants war with another nuclear power.
I wonder how a civil war would work out with nukes...
There is no way that arming Taiwan results in Taiwan starting a war of aggression against China.
What arming Taiwan does is make it an increasingly bad idea for China to invade Taiwan. It's a deterrent to make sure the nuclear power who constantly threatens Taiwan (read: China) doesn't think they can just go and take what they want without consequence, and probably commit a little genocide on the side.
You know, like Ukraine.
Defending Taiwan against communist China has been US foreign policy since Harry Truman was in office.
I'm Canadian
....is this a joke?
I would gladly have Trump drop out. It won't happen. Trump is running to save his own ass. For my part, I have grave doubts about Biden's ability to win that have been building for a few months but came sharply into focus during the first minute of that debate.
Because conservatives are cowards. It's that simple. They are afraid of those who may challenge them.
It's like he's a real life Zaphod Beeblebrox, only far, far worse.
Zaphod had way more rizz
Republicans have no shame
Are you only counting insular social media bubbles like this one and/or media like CNN which takes that to be the default position and therefore doesn't repeat it ad nauseum, or do you mean you've been scoping out trumpsocial where you'd be more likely to see conservatives talking amongst themselves and so you'd be more likely to see that type of infighting? Cause maybe that's why.
Because
It's that simple.
The problem the Republican party seems to have right now is that it's caught in a bizarre cult of personality, where the only viable candidate is Donald Trump. Eight years have been dedicated to a man that likely won't be around for another eight due to his age and lifestyle. Donald Trump can't drop out, because to many he IS the Republican Party.
Put succinctly, if Trump were to drop out, could you realistically see him backing another candidate, without making it about himself?
In some ways it's petrifying that Trump could win. In another, it's hilarious to think that IF Trump were to lose, how would the Republicans recover in four years? Trump will never not make it about himself, and I bet he'll put himself on the ballot for as long as he can, further eroding the right.
Because we know he won't. He knows he's unwelcome by the majority of the people. That just makes his worshippers praise him even more.
What do you expect...Democrats ask him to step down because he's a convicted felon? He's gonna listen?
Republicans to have him step down...why? Because he said lies(that they believe) and sounded good saying them?
Biden we at least know is receptive. And he's got an amazing career behind him. Losing the presidency, as an incumbent, to Trump (the incumbent he just barely defeated four years ago when he exuded much more confidence when he spoke against him) would be a terrible way to end it.
There's nothing in the world more powerful than a good story.
Trump’s the perfect figurehead for MAGA, why should he drop out?
Because being a fringe lunatic insurrectionist fascist is forgivable. Left or right, everyone either assumes Trump is so bad or so good that he is beyond criticism.
Same as it ever was. No one, left or right, expects the Republicans to change or get better.
Because not a single Republican has been held accountable for their actions since Nixon. Prove me wrong.
Because he'd never do it anyway.
Those are virtues to his voting base, if he can get away without accountability for all that, think of how much he can fuck over the people he claims to not like (ignore that your face is just as edible to the Chester Cheato)
How do I blacklist the word Trump so that I don't see posts like this in my feed?
Because people think Biden may actually do it. No one is stupid enough to believe Trump would put aside his ego long enough to consider the problems created by his extreme age.
People think Biden may actually do it? I hope I'm wrong, but I think that's pure fantasy. One ego is definitely bigger than the other, but you don't become President by being a good person.
I was so, so very wrong. And I'm quite happy about it.
Because Trump won't listen. He's a narcissistic asshole and doesn't give a shit as long he has money and power.
People are calling on Biden to step down because Biden isn't a huge fucking asshole.
It'd be wasted breath, really. Trump will never step down, because he's trying to remain out of prison. If he loses, then there goes any chance he had at pardoning himself for his numerous crimes. So he's not only the far and away favorite Republican candidate, but he's also highly motivated to stay in the race for personal reasons. No appeal to his sense of patriotism will work to get him to step down because he has no patriotism. He's in it for himself and himself only.
Biden, on the other hand, is just the default Democrat guy because he's the incumbent, and the party figured that'd be enough to win, and so haven't been trying very hard. And that has everybody terrified, because if he loses, then we get another 4 years of Trump, and probably never get to vote again. Basically, people are calling for Biden to step down because the stakes are way too high to fuck around.
In addition to the other people who replied, the answer is simple:
Fear.
Look at Kinzinger.
Look at Cheny.
You're labeled a rhino. Your career in politics is over. And then maybe Trump retweets that there should be a military tribunal to try you for treason.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImT5pYdKw5g
It's worth noting that treason is one of the few crimes enumerated in the constitution.
Why?
The founding fathers were all guilty of treason to the crown. And virtually anything could be charged as treason under King George.
You have to TRY to commit treason in the US.
Trump at one point asked for a list of our spies in the field. A few weeks later they started turning up dead. Trump had met with Putin between those two events. Trump refused that any records be kept from those meetings. Draw whatever conclusion you want from that knowledge, but I personally find that disqualifying. Let alone whatever he was wanting to accomplish by keeping national secrets in his bathroom in his country club.
He also happily hosted LIV's golf tournament at Maralago. Who owns that organization? The same folks who paid Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars to "invest". The Kingdom of Saud.
What good would it do? His "fanbase" would drown out all such requests
Biden was old in 2020 and that was a problem back then. In 2024, Biden is senile and that is a problem now. He failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minutes long debate.
At this point I do not ask Biden to drop because I like Trump. I hate Trump. I ask Biden to drop because I'm confident he can't beat Trump. Yesterday, someone leaked the poll numbers from DNC. Before the debate Biden was leading Trump by one point. After the debate Biden is trailing behind Trump by 8 points. If things move forward as they are, then Trump will be the only Republican candidate to win popular vote in the last 2-3 decades.
Because Trump is very deeply popular with a huge voter block. Going against him means he'll just point those people at you and say "this guy's bad, also probably a pedophile or some shit idk" and then your career is over.
And he knows what a pedo is, having lived it for much of his adult life
Because nobody expected him to do anything but lie through his teeth and shit his pants.
Check and check.
Sycophants gonna sycophant.
Trump's specific faults are irrelevant to the calculation insofar as they are profound, and they are legion. Anyone who doesn't understand that he should never hold the reigns of power is damn near irredeemably ignorant/hopelessly deluded. Ideally he would keel over and land in a trash compactor.
The 2 year age gap between the two is hardly the point. If that's what you think those calling for Biden to step aside are focusing on you're not understanding what the issue actually is.
I can only speak for myself. The reason I think Biden should drop out is because I. DON'T. THINK. HE. CAN. WIN. If we need to discuss whether Biden's downfall is fair, unfounded because of x, y, or z, the product of unscrupulous conjecture, etc., etc., ok. Ultimately it hardly matters if in the end the remaining conclusion is still that I. DON'T. THINK. HE. CAN. WIN. Biden is infinitely more desirable than Trump, but if he can't pull off a victory it's more important to remedy that than barrel forward into calamity because "I thought it was clear he was going to be the nominee".
Genuinely, I don't know that I could take another Trump term, let alone the prospect of this looming fascism taking root. I would rather roll the dice than play a hand that I absolutely believe will lose.
We can disagree on this. This is a complex situation, and the stakes are high. I'm not going to pretend that I can see into the future. Whatever happens I'm hoping for the best.
Because there's no way he'll do so
Because this is a media blitz
The Philadelphia Inquirer has. The problem is that Donald Trump and his supporters don't care what the editorial boards of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the New York Times, or the Washington Post have to say about him.
Because he’s winning.
The people calling for Biden to drop out are doing it for one reason: Because they fear Biden won’t win.
It has nothing to do with how moral Biden or Trump are or are not.
I am actually surprised that USA can't find any better candidates. Unless it have anything to do with money/power... IMO the candidates should not matter, just follow the party line, but the president have more power than that.
The forecasts are showing that Trump is ahead and his lead increasing since the debate.
The democratic party is in a panic mode, trying to salvage the situation. That is why they are asking Biden to drop.
Oh also Biden is enabling mass murder and genocide.
1 is narcissism/cult-of-personality,
the other is cult-of-institution/inertia.
They are not identical, and not even functionally-equivalent.
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They are always projecting, covering, and making you look away. Most of us are saying trumpet should drop out, but his cult followers are being told what to believe by their "news" stations. Really, both should have dropped out before 2016, but here we are, with two geriatrics hoping for the best.
Because you have to beat trump since the democrats are cowards and can't even lock up someone for inciting a rebellion.
Because it's the 2024 "but her emails"
Because lemmy is predominantly far left and the far left has a hate boner for Biden and Biden alone. They seem to be completely fine knowing that if Biden doesn’t win, Trump will do FAR worse.
It’s completely fine by them though.
Why? You’ll have to ask them, but be careful, if you do it in the wrong community- you’ll get banned. So stay out of .ml, and the lunatics that mod there.
On Lemmy you'll find a lot of blind (and some not so blind) hatred for all things US.
Accelerationists want the worst case scenario for their worst imagined enemy, and voila.
because what democrats consider bug, republicans consider feature.
stop with this whataboutism. trump being piece of shit doesn't make biden good.
Because he's sadly going to win.
I mean, both trump and biden are genocidal lunatics so they should both be in prison, along with anyone who excuses them.
Mainly cuz no one cares this is all internet shit flinging. No one talking about anything will do anything besides smell their own fart.
Also people are more concerned with making sure they have enough to eat and can pay rent for the month.
It's your privilege to spend all your free time reading about politics, make sure to check it.
It's not age. It's competency. There's 100 year olds that are more competent than Biden. I'm not calling Biden stupid. I'm saying like the rest of the fkin world has been saying for the past few years, Biden's mind is degrading.
Bidens a crooked pedo, accused of rape repeatedly, with severe dementia and a crooked family n past also, so....?
Yeah.
Well maybe you should stop engaging in idiotic conspiracy theories and admit these are documented fact, confirmed by and in legal proceedings
You should get your oxygen saturation checked, pretty sure you're slowly suffocating your brain cells passively by existing
"I dont like reality so I pretend it doesn't exist so I don't have to reconsider my views"
You don't need to quote things when you are the one thinking them.
"I know you are but what am I?" Stfu Peewee
Hilarious take there bud. Care to show your work on this?
Search engines are right there, just look it up. None of this is obscure or hard to find.
That’s not how it’s going to work here. You made the claim. The onus is on you to support it with evidence when asked because the time it takes to figure out that there is none, shouldn’t be something anyone but you should have to endure.
Oh, so you're in charge now? I don't take orders from people completely unaware of the recent news or how to look stuff up. Speaks to their intelligence, that they'd even try this.
If you are actually wondering; because most of the things you listed are exaggerations, false or not proven. They like trump because he is funny and actually goes against the people they dont like.
The main reason the common man should like him is because most of the people in power hate him and will do anything to stop him from getting elected. Unless you are super aligned with the elites agenda.
Damn, trumpoids made it to lemmy? How? Shouldn't you be spending time with your grandchildren or getting your brain melted by AI slop on facebook or something 💀
Or its totally true and you guys just are believing the lies. Remember how they were telling us that Biden was perfectly fine and had no real health issues?
Trump doesn't care about you just as much as biden doesn't care about us.
Thats fair, but I dont really care about how much they care.
First of all, thanks for being on Lemmy. I get nothing out of it when the lefty hivemind argues against a strawman. At least you give us the real thing. Fuck gh0stcassette.
Second of all, Trump only campaigned on a populist platform in 2016. He railed against CEOs, various special interests, and other "swamp creatures" under the premise that he was going to fund his own campaign and didn't need their money. It was honestly kind of refreshing, even if he was ultimately full of shit and failed to deliver. But I haven't heard Trump's 2016 rhetoric in a long time. Not regarding the ruling class. Maybe he still says "drain the swamp" now and then, but many of those who opposed Trump in 2016, e.g. Wall Street, now largely support him, and Trump openly panders to them for their donations. It's not that people in power hate him; it's just the people you don't like in power who hate him.
Vote third party if you hate the elites.
Yeah, lemmy kind of sucks if you dont just repeat the lines you are supposed to. I am not a trump voter, the closest thing would be libertarian, but I dont like their candidate either. I dont think trump was particularly good president, but all the rest have been so bad its not a high bar to be better than Biden and Bush. I just mainly get annoyed that 80% of the things that get said are just lies or misleading, and if you point that out people freak the fuck out.
Holy brain washing, Batman!
You cannot be serious.
If an NPC in a game you were playing insulted you, how would you feel?
I don't know. You haven't insulted me.
Just realize however you feel that is how people like me feel when you do middle school insults.
Well, then don't act like you're in middle school.