I always say conservatives have oppositional defiant disorder. How else could you constantly oppose things that everyone else thinks are a better way to live?
Conservatives often answer polls in favor of positive things, but publicly state their opposition to Democrats trying to do those things and elect Republicans who actively tear down anything that works. It is madness.
Conservatives don’t have ODD. They’ve just taken individualism to its logical conclusion and declared anything that remotely inconveniences or challenges them - whether real or perceived - is absolutely unacceptable.
I think you’re giving them too much credit. It’s not a philosophy that they’ve just taken too far. They’re just fed a constant stream of hate and propaganda that even if they think they like an idea, republicans just give it a name with the word “democrat” or “socialism” attached and start talking about how “THE LEFT WANTS TO TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM TO LET LITTLE KIDS STARVE” and then suddenly they’re pro little kids starving.
I think you’re over interpreting the “just” here. This behavior is horrible and destructive for society. Let me be crystal clear there.
The point is that the US puts this heavy emphasis on “rugged individualism“ that a lot of other countries do not. This leads to an inherently selfish outlook that over-prioritizes my convenience/comfort.
We have a cultural problem, not an epidemic of some psychological classification/disorder/etc.
They're an opposition party that's prevented the people of the United States from passing any significant legislation since 2010. We don't have a country anymore.
Americans are a stateless people thanks to dark money. Buckle up.
That government doesn't really serve the people. Does it serve us to stop women from having abortions? Does it serve us to allow housing to be an investment vehicle?
Last time approximately 2010, when the Obama administration got some kind of health care bill through Congress and Mitch McConnell decided to respond by completely destroying the representative democracy I was just talking about.
The way that people react to safety guidelines like rebellious teenagers would be almost hilarious if it didn’t get them killed.
I see so many “rebel canners” that are proud that they do shit like dry canning, because the FDA tells them not to. It’s so cool to get botulism because you don’t like daddy government telling you what to do.
The mask bans seem to be that same kind of childish reaction - “you made us wear masks! We’re going to make you not wear masks!”
they're all just children with severe behavioral disorders
I understand the intent of what you are saying, but please don't call them all children. They aren't. They are adults who should know better and should think critically and are fully responsible for their actions. I think it's important to call them out and describe them exactly as they are.
This is what being a reactionary actually is. It's not saying "completely tearing down the status quo will hurt a lot of people we wish to protect." It's saying"I have no ideology besides opposing you."
Well before covid, I knew Republicans would politicize almost anything. Covid made me realize I was wrong, because they will politicize literally anything, even a fucking virus.
Why the fuck does anyone care if someone else is wearing one
It's because all people are emotional first, and many people are stupid, too.
Seeing a mask makes them think about the pandemic, disease, mortality, death, all that heavy stuff. That feels bad. Rather than deal with that in a healthy way, they can just lash out at the thing that's bringing the bad-feels to the foreground. That is stupid. That's yelling at the smoke detector instead of doing something about the fire.
Accepting that wearing a mask is a reasonable choice means accepting a bunch of other uncomfortable things.
This can also go down the "in group good, outgroup bad" route. Belief is social. People do shit to feel like they're part of the group. Somehow wearing masks became political.
Yeah, as someone who still frequently wears a mask, I occasionally get comments, but telling the person off because they have no idea that my partner/child/sister/mom/grandparents may have compromised immune systems usually shuts them the fuck up.
I fully expect that when they've run out of culture war ideas, current Republicans will start demanding that cars of a certain color can only park in certain spots or drive in certain lanes.
Yeah, the point of their politics is to start the sheep stampeding from one fear to the next, ignoring their own needs while hurting everyone around them.
I often self reflect and see just as much bullshit from my own house. The point of their politics is independence. Driven by the sense of the frontiersman in their chuck wagon. The mentality that only they can take care of them selves and government is there to take away rather than help. The left is more of a garrison mentality where everybody's actions affects each other and if any step out of line they must be thrown out beyond the walls because without working together we don't survive the winter. Especially with assholes trying to take all rations a provisions for themselves.
I fully expect that when they’ve run out of culture war ideas, current Republicans will start demanding that cars of a certain color can only park in certain spots or drive in certain lanes.
They will find a way to associate one or two specific colors with either the queer community or antifa (red and black anyone) - and that will be how it starts.
You have to get into the mindset: this isn't about making sense, it's about retribution/revenge. During the pandemic, there was a period where to go certain places you had to wear a mask and/or be vaccinated. That was because there was data saying those things inhibited the spread of the virus, but many conservatives felt they shouldn't have to because of personal freedom. Now they feel turnabout is fair play, and are saying you can't go certain places if you're wearing a mask. It doesn't matter that they argued for personal freedom, this is retribution.
It used to be that antivax people held those views because they thought vaccinations caused bad things. Those people still exist, but now there are a bunch for whom it's all about personal freedom, and only because they were told they had to get a COVID vaccine.
Exactly it. My libertarian frienemy in one breath will tell you how he bought up a bunch of N95 masks before the lockdown, specifically going against the WHO's (or was it CDC?) advice to not horde masks back in 2020. Then in the next, he'll tell you how you're afraid of life if you wore a mask during the lockdown. And then he went out of his way to make sure his kid was the only kid not required to wear a mask once schools opened up again, forbid his wife from vaccinating their son, etc.
It had nothing to do with science. He just went against whatever was recommended. For freedums or something.
Exactly. If the CDC or scientific community had said that only medical practitioner should ever wear masks, all the conservatives would have been wearing them. Of course, in that scenario, liberals wouldn't have.
Their only philosophical ideals are obstruction, retribution, and contrarianism.
It's about a political as glasses, braces, crutches, wheelchairs, insulin pumps, or any other exterior medical devices. Fuck off with that false equivalency bullshit.
i came here from the modlog and i just want to say that i think the removal is fine(ish), and the comment to which i'm replying is, basically, wrong, but the mod's explanation is also wrong and needs to be called out.
everything is political, even birth control, and it would be even if no one was trying to ban it (though i think it was inevitable that this is the case). birth control is a means by which people who can become pregnant can actively choose to prevent that. pregnancy comes with a variety of political expectations and consequences, and so choosing to prevent pregnancy is political.
as for the mask thing, i do think that there are some very-online right wingers who would have the same analysis as the user to whom i am responding, but, in fact, that reasoning is a desire to avoid political entanglement, so it is not actually an explanation of how masking is political. it's also not the case that wearing the mask is carrying a banner for fauci, although i believe there are factions on the right who see it this way.
so, to reiterate, removing was fine (though probably unnecessary), the commenter is a dum dum, but the mod doesn't know what "political" means and that is a really bad omen for this sub.
But as a devil's advocate, it was just my observation of where I live in the US. I was trying to convery the general mood around me, and it was very toned down from what my neighbors actually said and did at the height of the pandemic. For reference, my neighbor had an anti mask party when covid was raging, and they were very liberal for this neighborhood... it still kind of boggles my mind.
I meant to present it as something absurd, not an opinion that I thought was reasonable.
Not to anyone except these crybullies. A crude hat would be crude for some visible reason other than being a hat.
A mask is only political to these assholes trying to stop people from wearing it, and during the pandemic it was only political to the same assholes who couldn't recognize that their personal freedom didn't extend to increasing risks to the immunocompromised, elderly, and others who were at high risk.
The freedom they demanded then would have had health implications for people around them, and the freedom they are trying to take away now has health implications for many of the people still choosing to mask up.
I dunno. I felt judged whenever I was walking around wearing a mask. One time I put one on when some guy walked up to me when I was walking my dog, and it kinda started an argument. A tow truck driver literally told me masks were government control devices before he jumped our car.
I felt like I was masking alone sometimes, like I was offending the public for doing it.
Just because that's absurd doesn't mean masses of people didn't see masking as political. To me, it was kinda hard to ignore.
It puts the whole climate change “controversy” in perspective for me. It’s not controversial, these people just have a death wish. It’s best if we just move along without them, where possible, and don’t let them get in our way.
You made a good point. There are definitely people who are actively trying to ruin the world, and that is a direct threat to mine yours and every one elses life. So then getting rid of these people should fall under self defense.
Except one group was clearly attacked and murdered based on unfounded racist fear and nationalism eager for "others" to feed the fascist machine, and the other group willingly chose to abandon critical thinking and defy the recommendations of the medical science community doing its level best to fight a novel and deadly contagion. The Jews were "asked" to wear yellow stars and rounded up because of who they were. That was indefensible. The Communists were rounded up because they were political opponents of the NSDAP. That was indefensible. Modern citizens across the world were required or asked to wear masks, observe a larger personal space bubble, and quarantine for the safety of everyone by governments large and small across the world in an effort to protect everyone from a virus that doesn't know or care about the political leanings of its victims. Individuals willingly defiant of such measures intentionally and recklessly put everyone's health and safety at risk, to deadly effect in some cases. That is indefensible.
Those two groups, among others, were clearly attacked and murdered on the basis of fear that these people were going to destroy their way of life.
That was exactly the argument against those groups. It was based on fear. It was based on the idea of saving the world from evil people, and it became the yardstick of evil.
Be careful about whipping out your justifications to separate your actions from the Nazis’ on arbitrary grounds. The key factor is that, for fear of over privileged groups destroying their nation, they made the decision to oppose them brutally, and that turned into the Holocaust.
I was at a theme park yesterday and got harassed because my wife and I were wearing masks while waiting in line for rides. I have a kidney transplant and my wife had cancer in 2016 so we're both immunocompromised. Just whose fun are we ruining?
There was a little town next to where i work, and every year they have a "funny" theme. That year it was global warming, and they set up some mannequins that wore winter clothing, but also scuba gear. They were alse wearing masks, because it was middle of covid.
Even if i was just driving by or just stopped shortly there, i saw on multiple occasions how people ripped the masks of the mannequins angrily and threw it on the ground. Masks somehow are very offensive to people.
God. I still think had Trump just said, "Listen to Dr. Fauci" and printed up a billion "Trump 2020" masks, he would have been elected again in a landslide. And we probably would have had far fewer dead people, too.
Edit to clarify: I don't like him at all. He's an idiot, an asshole, a racist, and a bunch of other things. I'm just saying he had an easy path to reelection but his ego couldn't handle it.
Somewhere deep down they know that they were wrong and that those death numbers are partly on them. Many of them knew people who died and are likely the potential connection in the chain that killed them.
Rather than realize they were wrong and try to make up for it they turn incredibly hateful towards it in extreme denial. If they admit masks work then they admit they killed their friends and family for nothing
Similar story with my wife. She had cancer and should not catch something as serious as Covid. So, everytime we are among a lot of people, ecpecially in places with bad ventilation, we wear masks.
I haven't kept count how many times we were talked to about that. The amount of conspiracy mythics among them was rather high. And not always were people polite.
This is really idiotic. As if even other diseases, which required such precautions, haven't existed before. Too many stupid people around.
It's amazing how the people who are expressing their freedom not to wear a mask get really offended by people who express their freedom by wearing a mask.
It's starting to make me think it's not about freedom...
I live in Canada. Maybe it's different in the small towns, but I've only had one person bitch at me for masking and that's because he has a brain injury largely. I can't imagine what the US is like.
Let me fix that for you doc: Signs you shouldn’t eat at a restaurant because it’s likely unsafe, getting banned from entering because you’re wearing a mask.
Nobody's gonna tell us we have to wash our hands before handling other people's food!
I forgot the comedian's name, but he had a bit about Confederate flags in the south. He said he found them useful because they told him which places he should avoid. That way he didn't waste time expecting them to act normal.
It's self-labeling... unfortunately similar to nutcases flying American flags on pickup trucks.
I was traveling recently and got so many dirty looks for wearing a mask, only one at O'Hare.
And then I didn't wear it enough and caught covid for the first time. (I should have known better in cramped tourists spots). Then I had a reason to wear it, especially while temporarily homeless.
Because I hear these people make the masks don't work argument
The thing is that they hear doctors say "Masks don't reliably protect against disease" and go "masks don't work", but what the doctors say is "they aren't 100% reliable, so don't use it as the only method of protection".
But if wearing a mask vs not wearing a mask lowers your risk of infection by 50%, that's a huge deal! And with the way infections spread, that's millions of prevented points of infection.
I had actually bought masks in 2018 because I was tired of getting sick every third flight. And then chickened out and didn't wear them because it just wasn't done at the time, at least outside of Asia.
Ended up donating that box to my primary care when supplies were short at the beginning of Covid.
Yeah a friend of mine noted one good thing out of COVID was that wearing a mask would be normalized here in the US. (She is susceptible to respiratory issues, so she has to be careful.)
Unfortunately........we did not see the current idiot backlash coming.
We have those assholes to thank for this... Gotta keep Republican voters, what better way than to make them frothing with rage at whatever Democrats suggest we do...
On the flip side, this is precisely why I say .ml needs to be dealt with swiftly. They protect hexbears, and hexbears openly state that they are engaged in information warfare with the rest of the fediverse. They are literally over here protecting right wing propagandists and everyone is like "well ok just don't click on their shit if you don't want to see it."
Yeah, I'm not worried about myself falling for this nonsense. I'm worried about my family and coworkers doing shit like this because they are taking the internet seriously.
I share your hatred but that likely isn't what is happening here.
Put simply, someone fucked up. At an airport, the competing concerns of health and security are in their most extreme tension. For some reason, someone on staff skewed security when they should have skewed health.
There is no excuse for it, and guaranteed it has already been resolved or soon will be. This is in one of the busiest international airports in the world, and masks are still very common in air travel, particularly from countries like Japan - and I believe this restaurant is even in the terminal that ANA flies into. Restaurants simply cannot afford rent if they intentionally impose restrictions like that on their customers.
This is what happens when you don't club fascist idiots with baseball bats whenever you see them.
Now tell me about how we have to protect their "free speech".
Notice "free speech" is in scare quotes. The previous comment isn't suggesting that free speech should not be protected. But rather they referring to the fact that many fascists claim that to criticize them, or to refuse to promote their views is to stifle their free speech.
Why would you want to know who the fascists are? If you do then that means you gave them power.
In the US fascists not only have free speech protections, they have greater free speech rights than anyone on the left. They were given- through federal legislation- the power to control all media outlets. Fascists will never allow leftists to have a platform. Centrists will never allow it either. There is no practical reason at all for the left to defend free speech for Nazis, yet they continue to do so.
Yeah, taking precautions to protect your health and the health of other does sound like anti-freedom. Is it still legal to wash your hands in the USA, or are they cracking down on that too? It's surprising that kind of stuff was allowed to continue for so long.
Classic Antifa/leftist/woke propaganda trying to destroy America. Corporations are people, especially the ones that donate/have financial ties to politicians
I've done something similar a couple times I've been sick and masked up while (unavoidably) out. People stfu real quick if they hear that deep, rattling cough that sounds like you have TB.
Does anybody actually know what the restaurant's policy is on masks and why they have it in the first place or are people just assuming things to rage over?
Well, I mean before COVID plenty of places banned wearing anything that obscured your face. Like if you walked into a bank wearing a ski mask, you're probably gonna have a bad time.
It's a restaurant anyway... You gonna eat with a mask on? The ban is kinda unnecessary because it would resolve itself once the mask wearer has their food.
Actually it turns out I was right, you people did not bother to verify anything about this story and you're just assuming stuff to rage over.
The restaurant in the picture is the La Tapenade Mediterranean cafe. This is a real restaurant in the O'Hare airport. This restaurant is a chain that is owned by a company called HMSHost, which a subsidiary of the big Swiss company Dufry. If you go to their website and look up their policies, you'll notice that there is zero mention of masks ANYWHERE. Here is their website, you can verify it yourself:
I thought that my search was flawed, so I tried to look up articles reporting this story but I couldn't find anything. The one and only source to this story is that Tweet. Which means that it's very likely that this story is a hoax made up by some Twitter rando who wanted rage bait.
Which makes sense because it is highly unlikely for a big corporation running a company that runs chain restaurants in international airports to have a policy against masks, especially when the airport in question is in Chicago, which is one of the most liberal cities in America. You simply fell for the bait without questioning it.
Let's hold up on the self-congratulations a second.
There's a very long way between a multinational corporation's published policy and the practice at street-level, even if yesterday is the only report (so far). Is this a franchise? What authority does the store have contractually, or in practice? Is the policy enforced? Is there a history of enforcement? Was this a rogue employee, maybe a recent hire, with a political motivation?
Did you check the original thread https://x.com/AmmahStarr/status/1804608613916328334 for the context of the discussion? Did you check the account for a history of "rage-bait" before dismissing this woman's experience?
Skepticism is important, but caping for corps is seldom necessary. They pay people for that.
There’s a very long way between a multinational corporation’s published policy and the practice at street-level, even if yesterday is the only report (so far). Is this a franchise? What authority does the store have contractually, or in practice? Is the policy enforced? Is there a history of enforcement? Was this a rogue employee, maybe a recent hire, with a political motivation?
This just further proves my point though, you didn't actually verify anything. Not only do we not know any of this for certain because the source didn't provide anything, but people here haven't even bothered to check the authenticity of the story.
The O'Hare website lists the restaurants at the airport and provides their website. The website provided for this restaurant is the HMSHost website. On there, they have a tab that lists their brands, and when you click on this cafe, it lists it's locations. This suggests that the company directly operates their venues. However, their Wikipedia page says that company does manage franchises, but no source was provided for this claim. Based on the available evidence, it's best to assume that the restaurant is directly run by the company. If that's the case then their policies on their website are the ones that apply to the restaurants, and they don't appear to have any sort of ban on masks.
In the thread you linked, this person claims that an employee demanded that she takes off her mask. She later in the thread mentioned to another user that the employee said repeatedly that "it's the policy". However, I haven't been able to find such policies anywhere. If you can find then I would greatly appreciate a source. She provides no further details or context. Based on the available information, there are possibilities:
There's actually a mask ban somewhere in the restaurants policies, but that seems unlikely
There's a rogue employee with an agenda, but I also find this unlikely considering how this is resturant in an international airport in a very liberal city
This story is simply made up
I personally think is most likely to be the case. That doesn't mean that 1 and 2 can't happen or didn't, I'm just pointing out that the probability of this story being true is rather low unless we're presented with concrete evidence that prove otherwise.
Did you check the original thread https://x.com/AmmahStarr/status/1804608613916328334 for the context of the discussion? Did you check the account for a history of “rage-bait” before dismissing this woman’s experience?
Did you follow your own advice? Because her account does indeed have a very long history rage bait type content and her thread provides little substance. She claims it happened but didn't provide any details besides two very vague remarks about an employee and a picture of the resturant. This all could've happened, but the only thing we have is her word and based on her account history, her word is not that credible.
Skepticism is important, but caping for corps is seldom necessary. They pay people for that.
Raging over stories that have a high likelyhood of being false just because you hate corporations isn't a virtue. Criticism still needs to be based on something real in order for it to be valid.
Could be that they're worried that the people who got through security and had their luggage and bodies checked for weapons and identity confirmed may rob the place if they wear a mask
It's called being sensible. Like... We all take risks when we go out, but it's like wearing a seatbelt. Does it eliminate risk? No. Does it reduce risk and is low risk in of itself by wearing it? Of course.
And ultimately, the insensible thing is banning masks.
If I'm in transit on airplanes and in airports for 8 hours and I wear a mask for 7 of those hours, the one hour (or probably less) that I take off my mask to eat a meal doesn't completely negate the good that wearing a mask does for the rest of the time. I'm still reducing my risk (or the risk I pose to others around me) for 88% of my travel time.
There's a huge difference between sitting at a table by yourself (or even with a family member) and, say, sitting next to a stranger in an airplane. Walking through the restaurant and keeping the mask on so as not to catch or give anything in passing is sensible. Greater distance means lower risk.
But he's about to sit down near those people and take his mask off in like 45 seconds. Then he'll sit there with his mask off and everyone else in there with masks off for 30 minutes at least. That extra 45 seconds is not really helping anything.
Edit: To clarify, it would be best if anyone that feels they should wear a mask in the restaurant while they wait for the food, be allowed.
As someone that thinks masks work, I got a few takes on this.
In the USA, a private company can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason except a legally protected reason. If a company doesn't like your shirt they don't have to serve you. But if they don't like that you are gay they have to say they don't like your shirt, if they don't serve you because you a gay, thats illegal.
While it's stupid that they won't serve the doctor wearing a mask, wasn't the doctor going to take their mask of like immediately after sitting at the table to drink something while looking at the menu? At the very most, they would take it off to eat the food right? So they were denied service so that they could at most wear a mask for like 15 mins while they wait for the food to be made.
If you have to take you mask off to eat, is it really worth it to keep you mask on for as much as possible? Assuming your intention is not to spread disease from yourself to others, how much more harm would an additional 15 mins cause? I honestly don't know but if it's non-trivial, perhaps eating at a sitdown restaurant (which normally takes longer) is morally wrong. Although, not as morally wrong as denying service to someone wearing a mask.
Well, science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders. So maybe if everyone wore masks and nobody ever got sick, we’d have a society of people with allergies and autoimmune disorders.
What if the doctor was just going in to get takeout? Or just plain wants to wear a mask while they're not eating? Whose business is it but theirs? I thought Americans believed in freedom.
Yes I agree, they should be allowed to wear a mask when ever they want. And I'll always avoid a business that has some kind of terrible policy like this.
I'm more honestly asking, as someone that does wear masks and avoids going out if I feel sick or know I've been exposed. How much benefit is the 15 min wait it will take to prepare the food?
I don't see how. Since the covid pandemic I wear masks if I'm sick or know I was around someone that's sick and I have to be somewhere with people. But it would be so much less possible harm if I just stay home during that time. So like if I felt like I needed a mask, I would either not go traveling or I would wear a mask and not eat in public.
The point is that you can't wear a mask while eating or drinking so it's literally 10-15 minutes you're actually talking about wearing a mask in the restaurant.
To your first point: the person could be wearing a mask because they see immunocompromised in some way, which would be a protected class (disability). You can't refuse to serve someone because they're disabled and wearing a mask as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move about in crowds, just like you can't refuse to serve a person because they're disabled and using a wheelchair as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move around in crowds. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
With regard to your point 1, I think a business y should give up some of its freedom to filter patrons, if it’s doing business in a place like an airport.
Just like a vendor at a stadium shouldn’t be able to individually discriminate, because they’ve made their business part of a larger system.
You seem to have fundamental misunderstandings of how both masks and vaccines work. I recommend reviewing basic materials to avoid further embarrassment.
Mask don't stop anything, they slow it, drmatically. Why do you think medical professionals have been wearing masks for 100-years?
The vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity and viruses mutate. Any given vaccine is good only against a particular strain. And some people can't take the shot. By wearing masks, we were helping protect them a well.
Hi, "moron" checking in. Downvoting your comments because they are pointless. Despite what one thinks about the covid situation, other infectious diseases exist outside of covid. In addition, nobody is forcing you to wear a mask by simply wearing their own masks.
Your comments deserve the downvotes due to the sheer stupidity, so there's no point in trying to attack the people giving them to you.
I wouldn't describe five people calling you out for being an idiot as ten to fifteen people repeatedly melting down, but idiots do tend to have issues with numbers and reality.
Edit: I took a quick look at your post history to see if you're just a troll and I figured it out from this comment:
It's relieving to let out diarrhea. Constipation is painful and takes forever to get rid of.
You're just letting your mental diarrhea out for the relief! Thank God, I was worried how anyone that stupid would make it through life.
Both my wife and I are immunocompromised (kidney transplant and cancer). We wear a mask because getting sick really sucks and it's not just COVID. We're glad most people got used to the idea of seeing others in masks because here in the US it wasn't a common thing like it is in Japan. I never expected others to continue wearing them but we get harassed often for wearing ours. It's so frustrating now that I simply yell "she has cancer" whenever someone confronts us. Some go as far as to tell us to "stay home" then if we're so scared. We're just trying to live too and sometimes that means us wearing a mask when we're out.
No one's forcing you to wear a mask, you dumb shit. This post is how a person was denied entrance to a restaurant because they were wearing a mask. That's completely different.
I don’t want people forcing me to wear a mask when covid was a problem 4 years ago
Im sorry to tell you and all conservasuckers this fact, respiratory viruses are on the rise in the last few decades, the next global pandemic which may be worse than covid, is probably going to happen less than 10 years from now. How yall gonna freak out when that one comes chum?
covid is the only infectious disease facemasks can reduce the spread of
And as usual the conservamorons are like "mAsK WaSnT 100% eFfEcTiVe!!!" In their backwards universe if something is only 85% effective, its the same as it being 0% effective.
Just because I'm curious: I have chronic sarcoidosis in both lungs, and lifelong asthma. I've by some miracle survived 4 years, but at the cost of almost all the stamina I used to have. COVID still circulates around the daycares, youth clubs and workplaces here and I have children.
I don't have an option to not wear a mask when I leave the room I've spent these 4 years in. Does that bother you?
Be honest and tell us you don't give a shit about the people around you.
I always say conservatives have oppositional defiant disorder. How else could you constantly oppose things that everyone else thinks are a better way to live?
Conservatives often answer polls in favor of positive things, but publicly state their opposition to Democrats trying to do those things and elect Republicans who actively tear down anything that works. It is madness.
Because they see themselves as good, reasonable people. They don't act like it, but they believe they do.
That and they want things as long as the Dems aren't the ones who get credit for doing it.
I have real issues with whether ODD is real, but I thought the same thing.
Conservatives don’t have ODD. They’ve just taken individualism to its logical conclusion and declared anything that remotely inconveniences or challenges them - whether real or perceived - is absolutely unacceptable.
I think you’re giving them too much credit. It’s not a philosophy that they’ve just taken too far. They’re just fed a constant stream of hate and propaganda that even if they think they like an idea, republicans just give it a name with the word “democrat” or “socialism” attached and start talking about how “THE LEFT WANTS TO TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM TO LET LITTLE KIDS STARVE” and then suddenly they’re pro little kids starving.
I think you’re over interpreting the “just” here. This behavior is horrible and destructive for society. Let me be crystal clear there.
The point is that the US puts this heavy emphasis on “rugged individualism“ that a lot of other countries do not. This leads to an inherently selfish outlook that over-prioritizes my convenience/comfort.
We have a cultural problem, not an epidemic of some psychological classification/disorder/etc.
They're an opposition party that's prevented the people of the United States from passing any significant legislation since 2010. We don't have a country anymore.
Americans are a stateless people thanks to dark money. Buckle up.
Since we're stateless I guess I'll go get an abortion and stop paying rent.
That government doesn't really serve the people. Does it serve us to stop women from having abortions? Does it serve us to allow housing to be an investment vehicle?
(This is a question about your perspective and not a gotcha)
When has a state served the people? Is it no longer a state if it's like most of them?
Last time approximately 2010, when the Obama administration got some kind of health care bill through Congress and Mitch McConnell decided to respond by completely destroying the representative democracy I was just talking about.
The way that people react to safety guidelines like rebellious teenagers would be almost hilarious if it didn’t get them killed.
I see so many “rebel canners” that are proud that they do shit like dry canning, because the FDA tells them not to. It’s so cool to get botulism because you don’t like daddy government telling you what to do.
The mask bans seem to be that same kind of childish reaction - “you made us wear masks! We’re going to make you not wear masks!”
The GOP's entire idiology is "trigger the libs" and "enrich the wealthy even more"
Ironically, people in the GOP cult are very easy to trigger, but they will never admit it.
I understand the intent of what you are saying, but please don't call them all children. They aren't. They are adults who should know better and should think critically and are fully responsible for their actions. I think it's important to call them out and describe them exactly as they are.
This is what being a reactionary actually is. It's not saying "completely tearing down the status quo will hurt a lot of people we wish to protect." It's saying"I have no ideology besides opposing you."
Well before covid, I knew Republicans would politicize almost anything. Covid made me realize I was wrong, because they will politicize literally anything, even a fucking virus.
Have you heard of the Abraham Accords?
This is true both ways.
It's because all people are emotional first, and many people are stupid, too.
Seeing a mask makes them think about the pandemic, disease, mortality, death, all that heavy stuff. That feels bad. Rather than deal with that in a healthy way, they can just lash out at the thing that's bringing the bad-feels to the foreground. That is stupid. That's yelling at the smoke detector instead of doing something about the fire.
Accepting that wearing a mask is a reasonable choice means accepting a bunch of other uncomfortable things.
This can also go down the "in group good, outgroup bad" route. Belief is social. People do shit to feel like they're part of the group. Somehow wearing masks became political.
It was Trump.
He had a lot of help.
Amazing summation, hit every point perfectly. Bravo.
Yeah, as someone who still frequently wears a mask, I occasionally get comments, but telling the person off because they have no idea that my partner/child/sister/mom/grandparents may have compromised immune systems usually shuts them the fuck up.
I fully expect that when they've run out of culture war ideas, current Republicans will start demanding that cars of a certain color can only park in certain spots or drive in certain lanes.
I find they never do. We all just rotate things in and out every few years
Yeah, the point of their politics is to start the sheep stampeding from one fear to the next, ignoring their own needs while hurting everyone around them.
I often self reflect and see just as much bullshit from my own house. The point of their politics is independence. Driven by the sense of the frontiersman in their chuck wagon. The mentality that only they can take care of them selves and government is there to take away rather than help. The left is more of a garrison mentality where everybody's actions affects each other and if any step out of line they must be thrown out beyond the walls because without working together we don't survive the winter. Especially with assholes trying to take all rations a provisions for themselves.
They will find a way to associate one or two specific colors with either the queer community or antifa (red and black anyone) - and that will be how it starts.
Or how it's a coin flip if he gets a second chance.....
You have to get into the mindset: this isn't about making sense, it's about retribution/revenge. During the pandemic, there was a period where to go certain places you had to wear a mask and/or be vaccinated. That was because there was data saying those things inhibited the spread of the virus, but many conservatives felt they shouldn't have to because of personal freedom. Now they feel turnabout is fair play, and are saying you can't go certain places if you're wearing a mask. It doesn't matter that they argued for personal freedom, this is retribution.
It used to be that antivax people held those views because they thought vaccinations caused bad things. Those people still exist, but now there are a bunch for whom it's all about personal freedom, and only because they were told they had to get a COVID vaccine.
Exactly it. My libertarian frienemy in one breath will tell you how he bought up a bunch of N95 masks before the lockdown, specifically going against the WHO's (or was it CDC?) advice to not horde masks back in 2020. Then in the next, he'll tell you how you're afraid of life if you wore a mask during the lockdown. And then he went out of his way to make sure his kid was the only kid not required to wear a mask once schools opened up again, forbid his wife from vaccinating their son, etc.
It had nothing to do with science. He just went against whatever was recommended. For freedums or something.
Exactly. If the CDC or scientific community had said that only medical practitioner should ever wear masks, all the conservatives would have been wearing them. Of course, in that scenario, liberals wouldn't have.
Their only philosophical ideals are obstruction, retribution, and contrarianism.
Cannot facial recognize the plebs if they are wearing a mask.
It's so they don't look racist when they are afraid of being robbed and tell a black person to take off a mask.
I mean, if this wasn't an airport restaurant maybe
It's about a political as glasses, braces, crutches, wheelchairs, insulin pumps, or any other exterior medical devices. Fuck off with that false equivalency bullshit.
i came here from the modlog and i just want to say that i think the removal is fine(ish), and the comment to which i'm replying is, basically, wrong, but the mod's explanation is also wrong and needs to be called out.
everything is political, even birth control, and it would be even if no one was trying to ban it (though i think it was inevitable that this is the case). birth control is a means by which people who can become pregnant can actively choose to prevent that. pregnancy comes with a variety of political expectations and consequences, and so choosing to prevent pregnancy is political.
as for the mask thing, i do think that there are some very-online right wingers who would have the same analysis as the user to whom i am responding, but, in fact, that reasoning is a desire to avoid political entanglement, so it is not actually an explanation of how masking is political. it's also not the case that wearing the mask is carrying a banner for fauci, although i believe there are factions on the right who see it this way.
so, to reiterate, removing was fine (though probably unnecessary), the commenter is a dum dum, but the mod doesn't know what "political" means and that is a really bad omen for this sub.
It was a late night comment in bad taste, yeah.
But as a devil's advocate, it was just my observation of where I live in the US. I was trying to convery the general mood around me, and it was very toned down from what my neighbors actually said and did at the height of the pandemic. For reference, my neighbor had an anti mask party when covid was raging, and they were very liberal for this neighborhood... it still kind of boggles my mind.
I meant to present it as something absurd, not an opinion that I thought was reasonable.
Not to anyone except these crybullies. A crude hat would be crude for some visible reason other than being a hat.
A mask is only political to these assholes trying to stop people from wearing it, and during the pandemic it was only political to the same assholes who couldn't recognize that their personal freedom didn't extend to increasing risks to the immunocompromised, elderly, and others who were at high risk.
The freedom they demanded then would have had health implications for people around them, and the freedom they are trying to take away now has health implications for many of the people still choosing to mask up.
I dunno. I felt judged whenever I was walking around wearing a mask. One time I put one on when some guy walked up to me when I was walking my dog, and it kinda started an argument. A tow truck driver literally told me masks were government control devices before he jumped our car.
I felt like I was masking alone sometimes, like I was offending the public for doing it.
Just because that's absurd doesn't mean masses of people didn't see masking as political. To me, it was kinda hard to ignore.
They made it political. Your wearing of the mask was not political. (based on your description anyhow)
No, I never meant for it to be. I just wanted to stay alive and not give covid to someone else like, you know, someone sane.
But alas I didn't want it to be political, but it was. I could assert that all I want, and it doesn't change the community I had to interact with.
I see your point, I'm just saying that's on them, not you. You took a reasonable action.
Your personal right to not spread germs is being taken away.
And the idiots cheer for it. It really is unfathomable.
It puts the whole climate change “controversy” in perspective for me. It’s not controversial, these people just have a death wish. It’s best if we just move along without them, where possible, and don’t let them get in our way.
You made a good point. There are definitely people who are actively trying to ruin the world, and that is a direct threat to mine yours and every one elses life. So then getting rid of these people should fall under self defense.
Literally the Nazi position on Jews and communists.
Except one group was clearly attacked and murdered based on unfounded racist fear and nationalism eager for "others" to feed the fascist machine, and the other group willingly chose to abandon critical thinking and defy the recommendations of the medical science community doing its level best to fight a novel and deadly contagion. The Jews were "asked" to wear yellow stars and rounded up because of who they were. That was indefensible. The Communists were rounded up because they were political opponents of the NSDAP. That was indefensible. Modern citizens across the world were required or asked to wear masks, observe a larger personal space bubble, and quarantine for the safety of everyone by governments large and small across the world in an effort to protect everyone from a virus that doesn't know or care about the political leanings of its victims. Individuals willingly defiant of such measures intentionally and recklessly put everyone's health and safety at risk, to deadly effect in some cases. That is indefensible.
Those two groups, among others, were clearly attacked and murdered on the basis of fear that these people were going to destroy their way of life.
That was exactly the argument against those groups. It was based on fear. It was based on the idea of saving the world from evil people, and it became the yardstick of evil.
Be careful about whipping out your justifications to separate your actions from the Nazis’ on arbitrary grounds. The key factor is that, for fear of over privileged groups destroying their nation, they made the decision to oppose them brutally, and that turned into the Holocaust.
I'll never understand why they're so psychotic about masks. What do you care about someone else protecting their health if they see fit?
He has the right to wear the mask. He doesn’t have the right to eat at that restaurant.
I was at a theme park yesterday and got harassed because my wife and I were wearing masks while waiting in line for rides. I have a kidney transplant and my wife had cancer in 2016 so we're both immunocompromised. Just whose fun are we ruining?
People who identify with bullies
There was a little town next to where i work, and every year they have a "funny" theme. That year it was global warming, and they set up some mannequins that wore winter clothing, but also scuba gear. They were alse wearing masks, because it was middle of covid.
Even if i was just driving by or just stopped shortly there, i saw on multiple occasions how people ripped the masks of the mannequins angrily and threw it on the ground. Masks somehow are very offensive to people.
God. I still think had Trump just said, "Listen to Dr. Fauci" and printed up a billion "Trump 2020" masks, he would have been elected again in a landslide. And we probably would have had far fewer dead people, too.
Edit to clarify: I don't like him at all. He's an idiot, an asshole, a racist, and a bunch of other things. I'm just saying he had an easy path to reelection but his ego couldn't handle it.
Somewhere deep down they know that they were wrong and that those death numbers are partly on them. Many of them knew people who died and are likely the potential connection in the chain that killed them.
Rather than realize they were wrong and try to make up for it they turn incredibly hateful towards it in extreme denial. If they admit masks work then they admit they killed their friends and family for nothing
Similar story with my wife. She had cancer and should not catch something as serious as Covid. So, everytime we are among a lot of people, ecpecially in places with bad ventilation, we wear masks.
I haven't kept count how many times we were talked to about that. The amount of conspiracy mythics among them was rather high. And not always were people polite.
This is really idiotic. As if even other diseases, which required such precautions, haven't existed before. Too many stupid people around.
It's amazing how the people who are expressing their freedom not to wear a mask get really offended by people who express their freedom by wearing a mask.
It's starting to make me think it's not about freedom...
I live in Canada. Maybe it's different in the small towns, but I've only had one person bitch at me for masking and that's because he has a brain injury largely. I can't imagine what the US is like.
Let me fix that for you doc: Signs you shouldn’t eat at a restaurant because it’s likely unsafe, getting banned from entering because you’re wearing a mask.
Nobody's gonna tell us we have to wash our hands before handling other people's food!
I forgot the comedian's name, but he had a bit about Confederate flags in the south. He said he found them useful because they told him which places he should avoid. That way he didn't waste time expecting them to act normal.
It's self-labeling... unfortunately similar to nutcases flying American flags on pickup trucks.
I'd question the food handling practices of such a place
In a effin airport where people are wearing masks everywhere
I was traveling recently and got so many dirty looks for wearing a mask, only one at O'Hare.
And then I didn't wear it enough and caught covid for the first time. (I should have known better in cramped tourists spots). Then I had a reason to wear it, especially while temporarily homeless.
Masks certainly do work. Hospitals used them for decades pre pandemic for a reason.
Monster Magnet are cool.
Please do! Love music. Love new stuff.
The thing is that they hear doctors say "Masks don't reliably protect against disease" and go "masks don't work", but what the doctors say is "they aren't 100% reliable, so don't use it as the only method of protection".
But if wearing a mask vs not wearing a mask lowers your risk of infection by 50%, that's a huge deal! And with the way infections spread, that's millions of prevented points of infection.
A friend's kid brought home Covid and they didn't catch it because they masked up for a few days in their house.
It does both. Others more than you, yes, but it does help both ways.
I had actually bought masks in 2018 because I was tired of getting sick every third flight. And then chickened out and didn't wear them because it just wasn't done at the time, at least outside of Asia.
Ended up donating that box to my primary care when supplies were short at the beginning of Covid.
Yeah a friend of mine noted one good thing out of COVID was that wearing a mask would be normalized here in the US. (She is susceptible to respiratory issues, so she has to be careful.)
Unfortunately........we did not see the current idiot backlash coming.
I say it every day: I FUCKING HATE PROPAGANDISTS!
We have those assholes to thank for this... Gotta keep Republican voters, what better way than to make them frothing with rage at whatever Democrats suggest we do...
On the flip side, this is precisely why I say .ml needs to be dealt with swiftly. They protect hexbears, and hexbears openly state that they are engaged in information warfare with the rest of the fediverse. They are literally over here protecting right wing propagandists and everyone is like "well ok just don't click on their shit if you don't want to see it."
Yeah, I'm not worried about myself falling for this nonsense. I'm worried about my family and coworkers doing shit like this because they are taking the internet seriously.
Huh??
I share your hatred but that likely isn't what is happening here.
Put simply, someone fucked up. At an airport, the competing concerns of health and security are in their most extreme tension. For some reason, someone on staff skewed security when they should have skewed health.
There is no excuse for it, and guaranteed it has already been resolved or soon will be. This is in one of the busiest international airports in the world, and masks are still very common in air travel, particularly from countries like Japan - and I believe this restaurant is even in the terminal that ANA flies into. Restaurants simply cannot afford rent if they intentionally impose restrictions like that on their customers.
Can't wait for bird flu. Shit's gonna be wild.
Yes! It's cooking between cows and farm hands.
Little bit of pig and it's all over.
By the time the deniers realize that it's actually a threat..... Well, those progressive policies might actually become law.
This is what happens when you don't club fascist idiots with baseball bats whenever you see them. Now tell me about how we have to protect their "free speech".
How would you know who the fascist is unless their free speech is protected?
Notice "free speech" is in scare quotes. The previous comment isn't suggesting that free speech should not be protected. But rather they referring to the fact that many fascists claim that to criticize them, or to refuse to promote their views is to stifle their free speech.
The same way my ilk once dealt with organized scabs, torture out of the first few and them shootup thei meating place.
Meating place sounds like some kind of porno
Autocorrect is clearly a whore so thats pretty accurate.
Why would you want to know who the fascists are? If you do then that means you gave them power. In the US fascists not only have free speech protections, they have greater free speech rights than anyone on the left. They were given- through federal legislation- the power to control all media outlets. Fascists will never allow leftists to have a platform. Centrists will never allow it either. There is no practical reason at all for the left to defend free speech for Nazis, yet they continue to do so.
To cancel them, obviously. Nobody who's a fascist should have a job
Yeah, taking precautions to protect your health and the health of other does sound like anti-freedom. Is it still legal to wash your hands in the USA, or are they cracking down on that too? It's surprising that kind of stuff was allowed to continue for so long.
Only thing that is approved is full spectrum light bulb up the ass, and Lysol shots with a Clorox chaser.
If you can't afford Clorox, store-brand bleach is fine.
Classic Antifa/leftist/woke propaganda trying to destroy America. Corporations are people, especially the ones that donate/have financial ties to politicians
Stop posting shit without visible dates...
Or at least the source https://x.com/AmmahStarr/status/1804608613916328334 June 22, 2024
Probably a repost account. They do that crap on purpose.
I don't use Twitter and this is what I have access to.
The post by Lucky Tran is from Bluesky and is right here.
https://bsky.app/profile/luckytran.bsky.social/post/3kvkfhxmmuu2u
I can't even imagine being so insecure that I am threatened by someone else wearing a medical mask.
I would appreciate the warning to absolutely not eat in that restaurant.
Exactly. I'm fine with avoiding it forever.
Take off the mask and start coughing on every meal you pass
I've done something similar a couple times I've been sick and masked up while (unavoidably) out. People stfu real quick if they hear that deep, rattling cough that sounds like you have TB.
They told them they don't what the business of non delusional people and they were very upfront with that at least.
The doctor should have rambled about facial recognition
Idk, she's black?
https://youtu.be/FO0kRE5OTZI?si=4oQaQIVkQYjWorR0
DR TRAN
That’s because it’s not. America is a brain dead billionaire, a struggling wage slave, and a fascist in a trench coat.
Does anybody actually know what the restaurant's policy is on masks and why they have it in the first place or are people just assuming things to rage over?
Well, I mean before COVID plenty of places banned wearing anything that obscured your face. Like if you walked into a bank wearing a ski mask, you're probably gonna have a bad time.
It's a restaurant anyway... You gonna eat with a mask on? The ban is kinda unnecessary because it would resolve itself once the mask wearer has their food.
Actually it turns out I was right, you people did not bother to verify anything about this story and you're just assuming stuff to rage over.
The restaurant in the picture is the La Tapenade Mediterranean cafe. This is a real restaurant in the O'Hare airport. This restaurant is a chain that is owned by a company called HMSHost, which a subsidiary of the big Swiss company Dufry. If you go to their website and look up their policies, you'll notice that there is zero mention of masks ANYWHERE. Here is their website, you can verify it yourself:
https://www.hmshost.com/
I thought that my search was flawed, so I tried to look up articles reporting this story but I couldn't find anything. The one and only source to this story is that Tweet. Which means that it's very likely that this story is a hoax made up by some Twitter rando who wanted rage bait.
Which makes sense because it is highly unlikely for a big corporation running a company that runs chain restaurants in international airports to have a policy against masks, especially when the airport in question is in Chicago, which is one of the most liberal cities in America. You simply fell for the bait without questioning it.
Let's hold up on the self-congratulations a second.
There's a very long way between a multinational corporation's published policy and the practice at street-level, even if yesterday is the only report (so far). Is this a franchise? What authority does the store have contractually, or in practice? Is the policy enforced? Is there a history of enforcement? Was this a rogue employee, maybe a recent hire, with a political motivation?
Did you check the original thread https://x.com/AmmahStarr/status/1804608613916328334 for the context of the discussion? Did you check the account for a history of "rage-bait" before dismissing this woman's experience?
Skepticism is important, but caping for corps is seldom necessary. They pay people for that.
This just further proves my point though, you didn't actually verify anything. Not only do we not know any of this for certain because the source didn't provide anything, but people here haven't even bothered to check the authenticity of the story.
The O'Hare website lists the restaurants at the airport and provides their website. The website provided for this restaurant is the HMSHost website. On there, they have a tab that lists their brands, and when you click on this cafe, it lists it's locations. This suggests that the company directly operates their venues. However, their Wikipedia page says that company does manage franchises, but no source was provided for this claim. Based on the available evidence, it's best to assume that the restaurant is directly run by the company. If that's the case then their policies on their website are the ones that apply to the restaurants, and they don't appear to have any sort of ban on masks.
In the thread you linked, this person claims that an employee demanded that she takes off her mask. She later in the thread mentioned to another user that the employee said repeatedly that "it's the policy". However, I haven't been able to find such policies anywhere. If you can find then I would greatly appreciate a source. She provides no further details or context. Based on the available information, there are possibilities:
I personally think is most likely to be the case. That doesn't mean that 1 and 2 can't happen or didn't, I'm just pointing out that the probability of this story being true is rather low unless we're presented with concrete evidence that prove otherwise.
Did you follow your own advice? Because her account does indeed have a very long history rage bait type content and her thread provides little substance. She claims it happened but didn't provide any details besides two very vague remarks about an employee and a picture of the resturant. This all could've happened, but the only thing we have is her word and based on her account history, her word is not that credible.
Raging over stories that have a high likelyhood of being false just because you hate corporations isn't a virtue. Criticism still needs to be based on something real in order for it to be valid.
And yet, in the end, yours only amounts to what you consider "likely".
Could be that they're worried that the people who got through security and had their luggage and bodies checked for weapons and identity confirmed may rob the place if they wear a mask
Actually after doing some research on this story, there's a very good chance that it is fake.
Facebook is not a source m8
Yes, the owner of that restaurant is a conservadpshit moron. Thats the policy.
I get it, but if you're worried about covid, why are you eating in a restaurant?
Guessing she needs to eat and is away from home.
Takeout has been a thing for tens of thousands of years, not sure how you missed it
Oop yeah
It's called being sensible. Like... We all take risks when we go out, but it's like wearing a seatbelt. Does it eliminate risk? No. Does it reduce risk and is low risk in of itself by wearing it? Of course.
And ultimately, the insensible thing is banning masks.
It doesn't really reduce risk much because you're literally about to take it off anyway in that same space.
I'm going to take a wild guess that the infectious disease doctor knows better, but by all means please proceed, Mr. Dunning-Kruger.
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If I'm in transit on airplanes and in airports for 8 hours and I wear a mask for 7 of those hours, the one hour (or probably less) that I take off my mask to eat a meal doesn't completely negate the good that wearing a mask does for the rest of the time. I'm still reducing my risk (or the risk I pose to others around me) for 88% of my travel time.
Cool, but we're not talking about those other 7 hours.
There's a huge difference between sitting at a table by yourself (or even with a family member) and, say, sitting next to a stranger in an airplane. Walking through the restaurant and keeping the mask on so as not to catch or give anything in passing is sensible. Greater distance means lower risk.
But he's about to sit down near those people and take his mask off in like 45 seconds. Then he'll sit there with his mask off and everyone else in there with masks off for 30 minutes at least. That extra 45 seconds is not really helping anything.
Edit: To clarify, it would be best if anyone that feels they should wear a mask in the restaurant while they wait for the food, be allowed.
As someone that thinks masks work, I got a few takes on this.
In the USA, a private company can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason except a legally protected reason. If a company doesn't like your shirt they don't have to serve you. But if they don't like that you are gay they have to say they don't like your shirt, if they don't serve you because you a gay, thats illegal.
While it's stupid that they won't serve the doctor wearing a mask, wasn't the doctor going to take their mask of like immediately after sitting at the table to drink something while looking at the menu? At the very most, they would take it off to eat the food right? So they were denied service so that they could at most wear a mask for like 15 mins while they wait for the food to be made.
If you have to take you mask off to eat, is it really worth it to keep you mask on for as much as possible? Assuming your intention is not to spread disease from yourself to others, how much more harm would an additional 15 mins cause? I honestly don't know but if it's non-trivial, perhaps eating at a sitdown restaurant (which normally takes longer) is morally wrong. Although, not as morally wrong as denying service to someone wearing a mask.
Yeah that makes sense.
Well, science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders. So maybe if everyone wore masks and nobody ever got sick, we’d have a society of people with allergies and autoimmune disorders.
It's actually the other way around, with viral infections being one of many causes of autoimmune diseases.
What if the doctor was just going in to get takeout? Or just plain wants to wear a mask while they're not eating? Whose business is it but theirs? I thought Americans believed in freedom.
Half the country's definition of freedom is their right to impose their will onto everyone else.
The other half’s definition of freedom is being able to say whatever bullshit comes to mind and not having it challenged.
No, that is the same half.
Ah and there it is, the self report.
Try just fucking saying what you want to say next time, you little coward.
Playing your cute little misinformation game trying to blend in with the same folks. Fuck outta here.
Yes I agree, they should be allowed to wear a mask when ever they want. And I'll always avoid a business that has some kind of terrible policy like this.
I'm more honestly asking, as someone that does wear masks and avoids going out if I feel sick or know I've been exposed. How much benefit is the 15 min wait it will take to prepare the food?
Great example of actively harmful rhetoric that attempts to undermine the fact that masking works.
I don't see how. Since the covid pandemic I wear masks if I'm sick or know I was around someone that's sick and I have to be somewhere with people. But it would be so much less possible harm if I just stay home during that time. So like if I felt like I needed a mask, I would either not go traveling or I would wear a mask and not eat in public.
The point is that you can't wear a mask while eating or drinking so it's literally 10-15 minutes you're actually talking about wearing a mask in the restaurant.
To your first point: the person could be wearing a mask because they see immunocompromised in some way, which would be a protected class (disability). You can't refuse to serve someone because they're disabled and wearing a mask as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move about in crowds, just like you can't refuse to serve a person because they're disabled and using a wheelchair as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move around in crowds. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Hey that's a great catch.
A store shouldn't deny entry based on something someone does for the benefit their health.
With regard to your point 1, I think a business y should give up some of its freedom to filter patrons, if it’s doing business in a place like an airport.
Just like a vendor at a stadium shouldn’t be able to individually discriminate, because they’ve made their business part of a larger system.
Yeah it would make sense if it worked that way.
That was my first thought. Isn't indoor dining the riskiest thing you could do during the pandemic?
You seem to have fundamental misunderstandings of how both masks and vaccines work. I recommend reviewing basic materials to avoid further embarrassment.
Since you're getting downvoted, I'll explain.
Mask don't stop anything, they slow it, drmatically. Why do you think medical professionals have been wearing masks for 100-years?
The vaccine doesn't guarantee immunity and viruses mutate. Any given vaccine is good only against a particular strain. And some people can't take the shot. By wearing masks, we were helping protect them a well.
The covid junk was 4 years ago.
Just so you're aware, friend... Lemmy is auto-translating all your posts for all other users - This is what we see wherever you post:
"I was kicked in the head by a horse 4 years ago"
Hoping you get the help you need, bud. Sure, you shouldn't have been playing with that horse's bunghole, but you didn't deserve all this.
This is brilliant hah!
That's some idiotic shit. You really need to see a doctor for your mental health delusions.
Maybe the real delusion is all the diseases that can cause a compromised immune system we met along the way.
LoL. I'd say the same but then you've probably already seen your naturalpath for a prescribed regimen of essential oils and healing crystals
You already told us you were kicked in the head by a horse four years ago. Why do you keep telling us?
Dear walking smallpox blanket
Get fukken ratio'd
Then get that horseshoe shaped indent in your forehead checked out. Concussions are no joke!
So does it brother you when other people wear masks? If so, why?
I don't want people forcing me to wear a mask when covid was a problem 4 years ago.
Who is forcing you to wear a mask in this scenario?
The 10 to 15 morons repeatedly melting down on my comments here.
You've been replied to by two people. Are you seeing ghosts? Are they in the room with you right now?
Hi, "moron" checking in. Downvoting your comments because they are pointless. Despite what one thinks about the covid situation, other infectious diseases exist outside of covid. In addition, nobody is forcing you to wear a mask by simply wearing their own masks.
Your comments deserve the downvotes due to the sheer stupidity, so there's no point in trying to attack the people giving them to you.
I wouldn't describe five people calling you out for being an idiot as ten to fifteen people repeatedly melting down, but idiots do tend to have issues with numbers and reality.
Edit: I took a quick look at your post history to see if you're just a troll and I figured it out from this comment:
You're just letting your mental diarrhea out for the relief! Thank God, I was worried how anyone that stupid would make it through life.
Both my wife and I are immunocompromised (kidney transplant and cancer). We wear a mask because getting sick really sucks and it's not just COVID. We're glad most people got used to the idea of seeing others in masks because here in the US it wasn't a common thing like it is in Japan. I never expected others to continue wearing them but we get harassed often for wearing ours. It's so frustrating now that I simply yell "she has cancer" whenever someone confronts us. Some go as far as to tell us to "stay home" then if we're so scared. We're just trying to live too and sometimes that means us wearing a mask when we're out.
No one's forcing you to wear a mask, you dumb shit. This post is how a person was denied entrance to a restaurant because they were wearing a mask. That's completely different.
Im sorry to tell you and all conservasuckers this fact, respiratory viruses are on the rise in the last few decades, the next global pandemic which may be worse than covid, is probably going to happen less than 10 years from now. How yall gonna freak out when that one comes chum?
As everyone knows, covid is the only infectious disease facemasks can reduce the spread of. Before covid masks were just decorative.
And as usual the conservamorons are like "mAsK WaSnT 100% eFfEcTiVe!!!" In their backwards universe if something is only 85% effective, its the same as it being 0% effective.
Just because I'm curious: I have chronic sarcoidosis in both lungs, and lifelong asthma. I've by some miracle survived 4 years, but at the cost of almost all the stamina I used to have. COVID still circulates around the daycares, youth clubs and workplaces here and I have children.
I don't have an option to not wear a mask when I leave the room I've spent these 4 years in. Does that bother you?
Be honest and tell us you don't give a shit about the people around you.
Edit: Not surprised at your lack of an answer.
Dad! come now, I told you 15 minutes ago it was time for bed.
yeah, you know how infectious diseases completely stop infecting people after one outbreak. swine flu was 50 years ago, and famously never came back.