Saw a nazi today
For explanation: Boogaloo movement, "Neo-Nazis use the number 88 as an abbreviation for the Nazi salute Heil Hitler.[11] The letter H is eighth in the alphabet, whereby 88 becomes HH.[12] "
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how's this look
I have absolutely no knowledge about any of this but just wanted to say that's well-written. Hope you get that pathetic POS.
Thanks! I doubt I'll get a response or find out anything that happens, but hopefully this asshole at least needs to replace their plates.
That boogie-board enthusiast, who happened to be born in 1988, is going to be pretty pissed if they try changing their license plate.
Prank idea: Turn your mate's number plate into a Nazi dogwhistle so they have to change it
This is Boogie Time Boogie Board incorporated, isn't it?
some superheros sport email clients in their back pockets. 👍
You meant "DMV", right?
Nope. Indiana has the BMV. Same thing, different name.
"Bureau of motor vehicles"
What's a bureau? Am American and don't speak foreign. Also, is "vehicles" just the same for all transportation? Like, could I get my space ship learner's permit...you know what, never mind. Too much work.
"Federal Bureau of Investigation"
No, outside of Indiana it's "Federal Department of Investigation", that's why they always say "FDI" in the movies, haven't you noticed?
BMV is like vroom-car office in your dialect
Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
I thought this was about that Boogie guy who makes YouTube videos and has bad views. Thank you for explaining!
It's Indiana, they'll probably retaliate.
Looks like someone who needs some break lights replacing, maybe two tires as well.
This is light. We used to deal with Nazis much differently back in the day
In which war you fought pal?
Grandpa didn’t live long enough to find out he was old school antifa. A baller.
That was you, was it?
sure does
Proud American driving a Korean car!
Driving a German car would be ridiculous!!
In a Korean car too which is funny.
What does the BODG stand for?
It says BOOG, as in boogaloo, as in Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo
You’ve got to be kidding? They’re appropriating Electric Boogaloo (a film about break dancing and the black community) as their slogan? That is wrong on so many levels.
Not only that, according to the wikipedia article OP linked:
"The boogaloo movement has created logos and other imagery incorporating [igloo] snow huts and Hawaiian prints based on these derivations."
If white supremacy was so "supreme", why are these morons using Indigenous-based iconography for their movement I wonder. They'll claim it's to "fly under the radar", but that just makes them look even more smooth brained.
Wait what the fuck I wear Hawaiian print shirts all the time, have I been looking like a fascist and not known it?
Naaah dude, don't let them claim Hawaiian shirts, keep wearing them and being radical
You can tell who's a Nazi cause their Hawaiian shirts have guns on them. Mine shirts have flowers and boats and stuff.
I'm sorry you had to find out this way
A few years ago Republicans were also dancing to System of a Down's Killing in the Name Of song as if it was pro-them.
Never underestimate the amount of stupid and innapropriate conservatives are capable of.
"Killing in the Name" is by Rage Against the Machine, but the point stands
Woops, apologies XD thank you for the rectification
Rage, not System 😊
Ronald Reagan used Springsteen's "Born in the USA" like it was a patriotic song
Then the douchebag CEO for Dutch Brothers coffee wears a RATM shirt to their NYSE IPO which is where they filmed their anti-wallstreet music video "sleep now in the fire" with Michael Moore
Oh, I didn't even think about that. Definitely makes sense.
That's what they meant but I just read it as they were a self aware booger brained racist.
"I hate Illinois Nazis."
Illinoizis
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if there's any word/language where "oiz" creates that "ahts" sound??
It just occurred to me how absolutely accurate it is that the cops are holding the line defending the small number of Nazis from the counter-protestors. They also have that cop who hates the Nazis just like everyone else, but he's still doing his job keeping everyone back, which is also pretty accurate.
These idiots are the most adolescent childish racists ever.
This is the equivalent of a 10th grader typing 80085 into the school calculator!
Except walking around with a calculator that says 80085 isn't telling several parts of the population that you want them dead and aren't afraid to say it
I mean I did preface by calling them idiots!
Or you could just skip the unnecessary ablesim, my point is perfectly clear and accurate as-is.
Where's the ablesim?
https://affinitymagazine.us/2018/01/08/stop-using-intelligence-based-insults-if-you-care-about-disabled-people/
https://cultrface.co.uk/alternatives-to-ableist-terms/
Calling someone who is stupid stupid isn't ableism stupid people deserve to be insulted they make a choice of being stupid.
There's a difference between stupid and unintelligent. Unintelligent is just a limit on one's intelligence but a stupid person is a stupid person by choice
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And drives a KIA lol.
I wonder how Thomas Kia feels about the shout out.
Well his number is right there, someone can give him a call...
I would imagine he's busy.
How many Kias can possibly be sold on a Wednesday morning, in Indiana
Well it's only Thomas holding down the fort
I’m sitting behind a California plate that reads “88 RISE”. Is that…?
Could be 88 Rising. The asian music production company that has some great Asian artists.
I'm gonna go ahead and guess nobody got a vanity plate about an Asian music production company unless they own that company.
From Wikipedia:
Headquartered in New York City, the company also has offices in Los Angeles and Shanghai.
So it could be a company car.
Woof, that’s a ROUGH coincidence that absolutely makes sense
With an Indiana plate? Sure lots of traveling fleet vehicles are registered in Indiana, but I've not seen office cars that largely remain local registered in Indiana
Guy was responding to a comment about a California plate
Oh snap. I got lost on the comment chain
Lol first thing I thought of as well.
88 is heil hitler
88 also symbolizes fortune and good luck in Chinese culture, and is often used to sign off in Chinese language chats.
And the swastika used to be a Buddhist simbol, your point?
Not used to be. Still are. Symbols can represent a lot of things, and it's an ignorant person to assume that they MUST represent the bad one.
That's exactly what the Nazi's say. These two lighting bolts? It's nothing bro! I just like the number 88! 14 is my lucky number! Etc etc
See it's funny you say that. My neighbor had a pumpkin that I SWORE was two lightning bolts, til I looked at it properly and it was the KISS logo. And say what you want about being a KISS fan, it's a lot better than the conclusion that was initially reached. Benign explanations for things exist, and you have to look at more than a license plate to get an idea of someone's beliefs.
Why are you surfing lemmy and driving? And don't gimme that "I'm a passenger " bullshit, eyes on the road Fam!
I was parallel parked.
OK, you'll get away with it this time....but I'm watching you..... squints
Doesn't count unless it's on a Volkswagon, otherwise they're just pretending
It's not Nazis unless it's on a Volkswagen, otherwise it's just sparkling fascism.
So, funny story, as a kid my favorite number was 8, had a few reasons that matched 8.
So I always used it in names and such. But, often it wasnt unique, so I used 88 instead. Emails, account names, even video game characters have 88 in them to this day.
... Am I accidentally a Nazi?
Born in 1988? Lots of folks born that year decided to have those two digits in their first Internet usernames as well. A few of those will still be in use, no doubt, so you're not alone. (Me? No, I'm older.)
In your shoes, I'd maybe think about changing things around, especially the easy ones, but you're not me, nor I you.
The way it was explained to me is that H is the 8th letter of the alphabet, HH stands for Hile Hitler
Well, we need to make 88 stand for Hulk Hogan Brother!
882
My wife’s pet name is Boog, and I’m determined not to let Nazis take it away.
I had a cat growing up named Boog... named after John "Boog" Powell... the baseball player, not Nazis.
No. 88 is just a number. It can be used as a dog whistle, but it can also be used, for instance, to describe a quantity equidistant between 87 and 89. Numbers and symbols don't make a Nazi, actions and rhetoric do.
I love Norse symbology. I'm not going to stop loving it because some fuckbrains use it to spread hate. Fuck that.
Based. Same goes for the boogaloo "movement" just because there are Nazis in it doesn't mean it's a primaryily Nazi community.
No, but it is primarily a white supremacists movement and the '88' on the license plate kinda takes away all doubt.
Bro. Read the comment. There's shitheads in every community. Boogaloo is about preparing for what we see as the inevitable second civil war. Not anyone's skin color.
Literally in the exact same position.... I've been using it for 20+ years and I'll be damned if I let them take that away from me though.
Hamburg licence plates say HH.
Don't worry about it.
88 is also a popular number in China as it looks like 囍 which is the symbol for double happiness.
Just don't be a Nazi and keep using 88 for good.
No. Use swastikas to mean peace and good luck, use the color red to mean communism, wealth, that you like the color red, whatever you like. Don't refuse to use a symbol because others have used it for bad. Co opt it back.
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Tell me about it… I got banned from asklemmy after leaving a completely innocuous comment, pretty sure because I have 88 in my username. I’ve been using this in various emails/usernames since before I even knew what fascists were.
I'm not saying you should fuck up their ride buuut, I'm not saying you shouldn't either.
Wink.
Maybe they just really like Boogey2988. In which case, yeah, report them.
That's what I thought this was referring to at first. Interesting that Mr. "Centrist" has an 88 in his handle.
I wouldn't read too much into his YouTube handle. He's a chode but I don't think he's a nazi simp. I wouldn't be surprised if it was auto-generated.
Yeah, he made it before that was a popular thing, I think. But still, interesting!
The disambiguation page for Boogaloo is now a bunch of awesome shit like music and dance styles plus an extremist movement...
Fuck you, choose a different name for your whack ass antics.
I refuse to stop adding "2: Electric Boogaloo" to the end of literally any and everything much to the chagrin of those around me.
Jesus Christ, you 2?
Nah I think its Bono, U2.
A classic, but I've had to move on to "___ 2: The Squeaquel"
So I grew up in Canada, on the west coast, basically Vancouver. So I'm well aware of the dog-whistles. I now live in Scotland. There was an event where I work recently, and the event contractors were 88 Events. And immediately I was like: FUCKIN NAZIS!
My wife seems to think that they're too...idk...girly? to be nazis, but where the fuck did 88 come from, they started up in 97, so couldn't be that. I feel like I'm being fuckin paranoid, but the fascy bastards are coming out the woodworks lately...shrugs
Looks like they just had an unfortunate address where they started out:
https://www.88events.com/about-us/88-events-history/
Well shit. I missed the history link in their about us page. Seems like that really is very unfortunate. Maybe I should email them and mention that 88 is a dog-whistle?
I doubt they'd change their name, but I suppose it couldn't hurt to mention it to them..
Well, maybe I'll shoot them over an email.
It couldn't hurt tbh. Maybe provide some sources of other major Hitler 88 sympathizers. Worst case scenario they don't care and best case they change their name, maybe they'll publicly support lgbt with flags or what have you in order to show they're not dog whistling.
The number has been in use in Europe for decades. If they didn't know it then, they sure do by now already.
Fair dues man
There are two people I know who have racist relatives on FB. Their profile names are
MOI NI GARR
'sambo' jones
apparently you can be racist as fuck with your username on that cess pool.
what is it with white supremacists man... brain worms
That's not a bug, it's a feature. Meta knows that things like white nationalism drives engagement, so they don't do anything about it.
Facebook (Fuck them, I'm not calling it Meta, its stupid) does do something, though.
It actively encourages it, because right wing extremists are a big chunk of their revenue. Since right wing extremists are more engaged (obsessed) than anyone else, and click more ads than anyone else.
Right wing extremists are the honey pot.
Which is why regular people can get banned for the most ridiculous of shit, yet right wing racists doesnt get banned even when posting terrorist threats, death threats, or racial slurs.
and honestly, its not just facebook. Its all social media.
I live in Vancouver but didn't grow up here. I know of the 88->HH dog whistle, and um 14 words or something like that but are there any others I ought to keep my kids away from?
The 14 words, usually seen with a swastika and in the form of 14/88.
There's others, but they're usually a co-opt of something common or popular.
A few Behind the Bastards episodes on the neo-nazi perpetuation machine:
Behind the Bastards - How YouTube Became a Perpetual Nazi Machine
And then a multi-part series on the way kids are indoctrinated into these things:
Behind the Bastards - Part One: The Eternal Fascist 🅴
Behind the Bastards Part Two: An American Fascist Faith 🅴
Behind the Bastards - Part Three: The Apostle of Fascism 🅴
Behind the Bastards - Part Four: How To Build An Army 🅴
Behind the Bastards - Part Five: The Hidden Civil War 🅴
Behind the Bastards - Part Six: The Perfect Soldier 🅴
Behind the Bastards - Part Seven: The Digital Reich 🅴
But don't take this as something to freak out about. Keep an open dialogue with your kids, the best way to make sure they don't turn into a racist, fascist or criminal...is to be as big a part of their life as you can without trying to control them. Talk to them about especially the history of racism in Canada, the concerted effort to wipe out First Nations identity and people, and bring them to as many different cultural events as you can. These movements thrive on the Us and Them mentality, if you can teach them that we're all just people, that our similarities outweigh our differences, and that we're culturally healthier with many different people... Well, that'll go a long way.
Edit: formatting is hard early in the morning....
I don't know if it's used in your Region but in Germany 444 is used by neonazis to represent "Deutschland den Deutschen" -> "Germany to the Germans". Maybe there are alliterations like that in your region?
Also, there are certain clothing labels popular in these circles. Lonsdale for example can be worn to only show the "nsda" part as a reference to the NSDAP. There are other examples too.
88 stands for HH, which means Heil Hitler.
H is the 8th letter of the alphabet.
88 = HH HH = Heil Hitler
Uhhh, yeah, I did (in the first few sentences of my comment) mention that I'm well aware of the dog-whistles.
The best part is it also advertises how many of his own boogers he eats per week.
Think of the life where you have 88 boogers a day... The torture.
I find it somewhat odd that there wouldn’t be at least one “infowarrior rides” bumper sticker. Guess they just wanna be a lowkey shithead with the vanity plate.
yep, they call it "being crypto" or "hiding their power level"
Im trying, but i didnt take any saws with me :(
The more attention you give these idiots, the more they thrive.. I mean hell..he's driving a Kia , what else do you need to know..
That, for an American Nazi, they clearly understand that American cars kinda suck. /s?
I'm not sure if you are asking me if I'm being sarcastic or if you're confused if you want to be sarcastic? Are you implying sarcastically that Kia's are better than American brands like Ford/Chevrolet/GM?
Eh, I'm not a big fan of American cars, that said I really should have slapped a /s on the back there.
I gotcha I just don't like Hyundai and Kia but the majority of other foreign brands usually are pretty well built
Keep er under warranty and soon as it's out, trade it in for another under warranty. Obviously that's just my take on them though...at the end of the day, a car is better than no car and I can get jiggy with that friend!
I wonder how that nazi will drive his car when all four tires don't have air in them?
One can put a lentil under the valve cap. The tire will deflate itself.
vegan af
Always slash one less tire than the vehicle has so it can't be claimed as vandalism through insurance.
Knowledge is power!
No way, really?
Hold on, Doc, are you telling me these are not about flux capacitors? This is HHeavy!
Back in the reddit days I was pretty active on the Back to the Future subreddits, and one day an excited young man posted his new BTTF tattoo; a big colorful depiction of the 88 from the time machine's famous digital speedometer, glowing orange numbers on a black background, in a very visible spot on his arm.
I sent him a DM to the effect of "I get what you're doing as a BTTF fan, but you should be aware that if you're not a white supremacist there's a good chance that tattoo can be gravely misinterpreted by people who see it out in the world" and linked this page on the number's use as a hate symbol. He replied with an "OMG, I had no idea! Thanks for telling me!" message, deleted the tattoo post, and soon afterward deleted his whole reddit presence. I sometimes still wonder about that guy and how he's managed.
Oof size: Great Scott.
If the error was a randomly issued plate, the state should automatically reissue. I mean, no one is getting FCKPLC randomly. Either way, this plate and ref must be blacklisted.
To be fair, usually they have a schema of, say, LNL-NLN or LLLLNN or something similar where Ls are letters and Ns are numbers. Every non-vanity (or special, like gov't, dealer, temp...) plate will follow the schema, so I doubt there's a chance FCKPLC could show up.
The other unfortunate thing with dog whistles is, they're designed to be easily looked over, subtle enough to be plausible. Without other evidence this guy is a Nazi, the only right thing to do is to let them be. The consequences of taking action against an innocent person far outweigh the benefits of acting against a single Nazi.
The presence of a dog whistle itself can't be a reason to attack someone (metaphorically, hopefully. Don't do random acts of violence against individuals period. There are better ways to get results.) but it is definitely enough to make one cautious and observant.
Good ol’ Indiana
Is that a custom plate or did somebody get really unlucky with the plate they were given my the OMV/DMV?
Apparently it is not the standard design for an Indiana plate, so it must be a custom. Plus, the chances of randomly getting BOOG88 have got to be pretty small.
But not impossible.
I'm just imagining the guy that randomly got that license plate with no idea of any possible meaning.
He just can't understand why his car is always the victim of such vandalism. Every time he gets it fixed, he finds it keyed again, or the tires flat, lights smashed...
Sure, I'm not saying this is smoking gun proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, but at the same time, it would be one hell of a coincidence.
Yeah, I'm not saying it was random chance either. I'm just amused by imagining the possibility of some poor sad sack who got it and can't figure out why everyone hates him.
No, actually impossible.
The "randomly assigned" plates aren't random, they're sequential. They have a pattern, like letter-number-letter-letter-letter-number-number, and they stamp plate after plate to ship out to DMVs to have ready. Every state has a pattern, they look random by design - they only pick certain letters and cycle through the numbers before picking the next run, you won't get something like this on a "random" plate
Party pooper.
The change for an individual of getting it randomly may be pretty small, but also doesn't matter. The change the OMV/DMV gives out this plate is all that matters.
This. It doesn't matter that this specific guy got it. It matters whether or not it CAN exist. If it CAN exist, then eventually someone will get it.
The chances are exactly the same as getting any other random number (assuming the '4 letters, two numbers' pattern is allowed in the random pool at all).
The probability of getting BOOG88 is the same as any other random series, but the chances of getting a random series that also has two extremist dogwhistles is very small
Which are also pretty small.
It's one of the standard plates. You can choose this plate instead of the one you posted without any additional fee. You have the option to pay $45 to personalize it but you don't have to.
https://www.in.gov/bmv/registration-plates/license-plates-overview/indianas-standard-license-plates/
The link you posted shows the example plate with AAA999. Usually all of the plates of a specific design have a specific schema of letters/numbers. Not sure if this is the case with that particular plate, or if that's just a random example they went with.
Either way, we can't determine a person's affiliation from just that license plate, just use it as a signal to possibly be wary around them.
Run him off the road 🤭
Neo nazis = cringe
Ah, yes... the perfect example of "Everything I don't like is Hitler" and "If you type 666 you'll become Satan!".
Unless there are other things on the car that can support this, we can't simply draw any conclusion. 88 also means good fortune in Chinese culture. By OP's premise, there are lots of Nazis in my country.
Her linked to the partyy explaining the "BOOG" portion as well.
I missed that,.my bad.
Your back must hurt from moving all those goalposts.
That's... not what moving the goalposts means.
The goalposts to being a nazi got moved farther back because "we can't know their intent from just this license plate" and then 2 seconds later, the goalposts for being a nazi was moved way forward because "everyone who says good luck in Chinese is a Nazi."
Yes, that's literally moving the goalposts on what defines a Nazi.
Moving the goalposts means changing the rules of a debate while having it. They said they'd agree with them being a Nazi if there was evidence beyond the number 88 being on the license plate, someone else pointed out what the "BOOG" meant, they accepted that the person who owns the car is a Nazi. No goalposts moved.
I think you should be cautious of just how much faith you're putting into this person.
They didn't. They only gave reasons to not agree. They implied that they would agree if that condition was met, but that's not what they said.
Again, they didn't. They said, "I missed that,.my bad." They didn't change anything about their argument from this information (that was always available to them), just acknowledged that they didn't use it.
Maybe I should've called their argument a strawman argument instead, but the discrepancy between what they say OP can call a Nazi and what they can call a Nazi feels wide enough to change the rules of the debate for each side.
Yes, I simplified for the sake of brevity. But you're reading a lot into their comments that just isn't there. Yes they were running interference for a nazi (and not making a particularly compelling case) but there's nothing to indicate it was intentional. (It's not a strawman argument either btw, unless you're claiming they intentionally ignored the boogaloo reference rather than just not knowing about them.)
Edit: Also I don't think not making assumptions about someone's motivations is the same thing as 'putting faith' in them.
You admit that they were running interference for a nazi, but also want to give them the benefit of the doubt? Historians have a word for people who didn't agree fully with, but still defended nazis. Want to know what they were called?
Nazis.
If you're aligning yourself with them, running interference for them, I'm going to treat you as if it is intentional because the effect is the exact same. If it was an accident, there were plenty of opportunities to change opinions and apologize. That hasn't happened, so all evidence we have points to the person defending Nazis being disingenuous here.
You have to make assumptions on people's motivations either way. I'm just more willing to base my assumptions on how genuine someone is being whether or not they are running interference for Nazis.
sorry - your comment is not helping me to engage further. at least put some content in it.
Why? You ignore content anyway.
This car has Indiana plates. Last time I checked… Indiana is not in China.
you don't have to check, I presume you you have some
fromform of primary education.anyway, Chinese=/= China.
You’re right it doesn’t.
But asian descent is roughly 3% of people in Indiana. People of mixed descent are 2.4%.
I assume with that attitude of yours, You can read my source and also recognize it’s remarkably unlikely that an Asian person would be driving a car with those plates; particularly since the first part is also part of the reference.
The point being, context matters. There are far, far more white nationalists in Indiana than there are Chinese-Americans.