TikTok resurfaces video of Trump saying US shouldn't have a president with felony conviction
Trump in 2016:
She shouldn't be allowed to run.
If she were to win this election, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis.
In that situation we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial.
It would grind the government to a halt.
Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/donald-trump-trial-guilty-hillary-clinton-b2556563.html
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Trump criticizes Trump yet again.
Republicans always criticize themselves heavily. Just don’t do anything about it though.
Republicans mostly do the criticizing through projection.
lol
Part of being a republican is being a hypocrite.
That brings back memories! Looks like that sub shut down in Nov. 2022.
Guess the novelty kinda wore off after the hundred-millionth time.
This won't do anything. His base doesn't care. They treat this like a sports team. He's still "their" guy. The Cleveland Browns have a rapist as their quarterback. Despite everyone in Cleveland not being a fan of his extraciricular activities, I have seen no boycotts. I've seen no reduction in Browns gear here in Cleveland. I've seen no reason to believe that we've shown our front office that we won't stand for a rapist on the team.
It's the same with trump/republicans. They've had several, countless even, oppertunities to exit the highway down the road that is trump. The fact that he emerged in 2016 as the republican nominee at all still feels like it was decided by a round of plinko.
They should have looked at him from before 2016 and said no. They could have exited anytime between 2017-2021. They could have exited over J6. They could have exited in the aftermath of J6.
They stayed on the highway that whole time. They aren't getting off. They're going to ride that highway until they drive off a cliff at the end.
And in that sense, this article/post/video is nothing but a feel good moment for everyone else that ultimately doesn't do, or change ANYTHING. Remember, he JUST claimed he never said "lock her up". His base is unphased.
I have no credibility or relevant qualifications. I'm just some random moron on the internet, but here's my opinion:
His base has been manipulated. They have a sunken cost. Each time something new and horrible comes out about Donald Trump, they have to either be OK with it or come to terms with the idea that they may have been wrong about him this whole time. They'll react emotionally to this dilemma as if being wrong in this case would constitute a personal attack on their character.
With every new lie he tells or every new horrible thing he does, his supporters are forced to embrace it. And it just compounds. If they question him now, that would mean they'd have to question the hundreds of other things about him they've accepted.
So if he says "the sky is green" then they have to accept it as fact. Because if they question it, then they have to question if he told the truth about getting a fair trial, and then they have to question if he actually tried to cover up sleeping with a porn star, then they have to question if he slept with a porn star, etc etc all the way back for at least a decade. It's much easier just to accept the latest small lie than question everything you've believed for so long.
No, if he says "The sky is green," they don't believe him. They turn to watch your face as you meltdown over it. Nobody cares if he slept with a porn star and fudged some paperwork, they just care that it makes you spin out into this kind of nonsense.
I think that might be true for a portion of his supporters, but there are definitely a religious group of them that take his word 100%.
There are mean trolls who want to win the libs for sure, but there are also some really stupid motherfuckers out there.
God damn. I HOPE you're wrong. As that would imply that roughly 48% of america is voting because of this refusal to admit to themselves that they were wrong.
Hell, I KNOW I'm wrong a lot. There's no reason to say "oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that." And then fix your mistakes. There's even times I'm right 100% through an event, and then contexts change, and you have to admit the way you did it was actually wrong for reasons that hadn't happened yet in that moment.
We used to LOVE trump in 2004. Long before he was a politician. We loved him because he was easy to laugh at, and immitate in a mocking manner. But, now I know that watching clips of him on tv, only gave him ratings, kept him with a weekly paycheck for doing nothing. I now know if he went bankrupt in the 2000s, he wouldn't have had the standing or money to run a campaign in 2016.
So, oops. I was wrong for that. Difference is, we loved him like a clown. These people today love him like a savior. Which I do not understand.
It's very simple. For the last 30 years, liberals have become more and more self-righteous, arrogant, and idiotic in the policies they pursue. You've all lost any ability to argue and defend your positions, relying on cheap tactics like name-calling to mock, deride and dismiss the right without actually defending your increasingly insane positions. You're all so far up your asses, so bigoted and condescending, that it has become impossible to have any sort of political dialogue.
They hate you, they can't reason with you, they can't even get you talk to them without calling them fascists and bigots, all while you ignore the harm your own policies are causing. Donald Trump is your punishment. The people don't love him a savior, they love him because he's a giant middle finger in your face, and it makes you throw a temper tantrum.
I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, or just really fucking oblivious.
And which policies might those be? The policies that stop ICE from seperating families at the border? Trying to end the acts of throwing them in large metal boxes with no water, some dying, in 110 degree heat?
Or are you thinking of other policies?
Are those Democrat policies? Is that what you mean to suggest?
Yes, I was thinking about Democrat policies. And while it's true that separating families at the border is a policy that began under Obama, I think it's largely thought of as a Trump policy.
I meant policies like using mass immigration as a stop-gap measure to deal with the negative population growth caused by liberal anti-family values and embracing globalism to the detriment of American workers (which the right is also guilty of, but Trump is as much a thumb in the eye of the Republican establishment as he is the Democratic establishment).
No, his base hasn't been manipulated. They like Trump for one reason and one reason only: He makes you gnash your teeth. Trump is their revenge on you for being such self-righteous arrogant dicks and cheating in the political process. The only way Trump could lose luster in their eyes is if you guys all stopped freaking out about Trump, which won't happen.
Do you care to elaborate on how Trump is revenge? I am honestly interested in your opinion.
I think these "self-righteous arrogant dick" people are a very small minority of Democrat voters, just as any unflattering stereotype of Republican voters is only an accurate representation of the most unpleasant members of that group.
I think part of the appeal of Donald Trump seems to have something to do with the fact that he is (or at least has been, or projects the appearance of being) rich and powerful, and then is just blatantly honest about the level of corruption and hypocrisy that the rich and powerful get away with. I think people like that honesty. Nobody wants to live in a rigged system.
However, (and I think this is the part where you'll get frustrated with me) he seems to be highly and openly corrupt. I think he wants to make corruption and abuse of power seem normal so that when he does it, he can act like it isn't a big deal.
It's a big deal.
Starting in the 1960s, this country entered into a "culture war" that is, in many ways, similar to the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. On one side, you have the postmodern liberal/left, which is motivated primarily by critical theory originating in post-Marxist philosophical movements. On the other side, you have modernist and traditonalist right (i.e. libertarians/neocons and the Christian right (I would be part the later group)). The right has been losing the culture war badly since the 1980s and the left has near total cultural dominance now, and has begun the process of destroying the modernist/traditionalist right through the school systems and its control of media. This has made the right feel utterly powerless and humiliated by the left, and has left them questioning whether the Republicans were ever actually representing them or were just stooges for the postmodern left the whole time.
Donald Trump is the epitome of everything the postmodern left hates. He's crude, belligerent, brashly honest about things you're not supposed to be honest about, but essentially a congenital liar in all other regards. He's sexist, he's borderline racist, he's anti-intellectual, and he's a rich, powerful straight white man who makes absolutely no apologies for it and is absolutely swimming in unearned privilege.
That's why the right supports him. The right isn't even allowed to question the left's agenda, it's dogma. They're not allowed to participate in politics and culture anymore, they're only recognized as the "bad guys," the "enemy." They feel like the only thing they can do is put a thumb in the left's eye and make them hurt. So that's why they are in love with Trump, and not a more sensible candidate like DeSantis. Because Donald Trump's mere existence makes the left gnash their teeth.
That's certainly part of it. They do think everyone is as corrupt as Trump, but only Trump is willing to admit it.
I totally agree. The man is beyond corrupt. I genuinely believe your average family dog has a better understanding of morality than Donald Trump, who may possibly be the most venal, corrupt person to ever hold the office of President. It's either him or Jackson. As I believe I said earlier, I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm a socially conservative Catholic who is moderate to liberal on economic issues, so naturally I'm very much opposed to the Democrats, but Trump doesn't really hold any appeal to me (except insomuch as his election might bring Project 2025 to fruition). I'm also Gen X, so I've known who Trump was for 30+ years and absolutely cannot take him seriously. But I totally get why the conservative base -- which is mostly made up of unideological reactionaries -- has embraced him.
Thank you for this great response. I'm genuinely interested in your perspective.
When you say that the right is losing the culture war, are you referring to things like the rights of women, minority groups, gay/whatever people, separation of church and state, and environmental protectionism, or am I misunderstanding?
Why does the right feel powerless and humiliated?
You can say what you want about Trump. But how dare you bring plinko into this.
You mean to tell me people with dog shit moral compasses and who are obsessed with regression/stale movement for all but the elite are hipocrits??
Crazy.
We've always been at war with Eureast AsiaTrump never said that."see she actually did it tho! Me I'm not actually guilty the jury was rigged against me!"
I did everything right and they indicted me. :(
... Not sure that last part is a historical reference or specifically a Crusader Kings reference.
Or Labyrinth reference
It's a Magic the Gathering reference, obviously. [[Oubliette]]
Card fetcher please?
In fairness to the Moon Landing Deniers, The Shinning is even more fun to watch when you're convinced its a secret Stanley Kubrick confession.
"gotta write a bad ending... Bad ending hmmm. FROZE TO DEATH ok this is gold"
It's iconic for a reason
As if the shit he said about anyone else wasn't politically motivated.
At this point I'm pretty sure his fan base just has their dicks hard for old orange man because of appearance.
When I see comments talking about how pointless it is to continue pointing out his hypocritical actions I immediately write that person off as a bot.
If you're struggling to figure out why it's important to show this to his stupid constituents then I don't understand why you're even commenting. Sit back and let the people interested in effecting change spread this information and shut the fuck up.
I think it should definitely be pointed out, constantly, how much of a hypocrite and liar Trump is, just to get it (and keep it) on the record. Ignoring it would only normalize it more. And maybe some fence sitters didn't know about it and now they do. Which is a good thing.
At the same time, however, I also believe it's absolutely pointless, if your goal is to convince any of his followers. They already know all of this and they don't care. They don't love him despite the lies and hypocrisy. They love him because of it. And even if they don't like it per se, they still won't turn against him, because they're accepting way worse and nothing has been a deal breaker so far.
Edit: I have often wondered what Trump would have to do for his followers to abandon him. Is there anything they wouldn't accept?
Find them and ask them.
Discussing on forums like these is all find and good, but in the end it's lots of Preaching To The Choir. What people need to do is find a Red Hatter and ask them what it would take to choose their country over their party.
Outreach will win the day.
You have apparently had much more productive conversations with trumpers than I ever have.
And, it's not hard to predict their answers.
That's pretty close to the list for anyone who is flying a Trump flag. And if it's not on their list, it's still not a dealkiller.
You'd need to put me in kevlar and pay me a lot to go knocking on maga doors all day.
Edit: (I promise I know who Rosa Parks and Harriet Tubman were, I just flipped the name by accident in my haste!) https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/
I love "Harriet Tubman on a bus," that's exactly what they would teach in a DeSantized history class.
LOL while you are correct, I'm ashamed to say that was a mistake on my part, I just typed the wrong name.
I was referring to their attempt to whitewash what happened with Rosa Parks.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/22/us/florida-textbook-race-rosa-parks-reaj/index.html
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rosa-parks-race-removed-florida-textbook/
Also, just for completeness, this was a specific reference too: 🙂
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-florida-standards-teach-black-people-benefited-slavery-taught-usef-rcna95418
Well, I get what you're saying, but I'm European and while there are plenty of right-wingers here, I haven't met any actual obvious Trumpers so far, though I'm sure plenty of them do like Trump.
Was just kinda wondering 'out loud' if there is an actual line somewhere and what it would be. It seems to me it's much easier for democrats to turn against their politicians than it is for republicans.
I'm Canadian, but I can still tell you why Democrats are more likely to turn against their own politicians.
People who vote Democrat tend to be more educated, and academics tend to lean left. The left-leaning academics are far more left leaning than the Democratic party and are aware that, while the Democrats are the lesser of two evils, they still stand to uphold the status quo for the ruling class, whereas the Republicans have devolved into explicit fascism.
Because the Republicans have fallen into fascism, the people who vote Republican are either undereducated and fall for the propaganda or they're part of the ruling class and want more money.
I hadn't really thought about the link to education much. I kind of figured that democrats just have more.. deal breakers than republicans, mostly due to empathy (which.. I don't think it's linked to education?). If you don't like hurting people, if you care about other people (and not just the ones you know), then there will obviously be a lot of things you won't accept.
But caring about the truth and reality and science is important, so I guess you do have a point.
Regarding your edit (i. e., what would it take for Trump followers to change their mind), go hit YouTube with a search for "Jordan Klepper fingers the pulse" and watch some of those. A more recent one, in which he speaks to Niki Haley supporters, demonstrates what are likely "more reasonable" Republicans regarding Trump, and probably best answers your question. Most feature him speaking to Trump supporters at Trump rallies. One features him talking to supporters during (yes, you read that correctly) the January 6 insurrection. Watching these will help understand the entrenched mindset. Hilarious and horrifying.
The mental exercise is... what would Biden have to do to get you to vote for the Republican Party? Or even to get you to just not vote at all? I know it's a false equivalency, but it gives you some sense of the lines we all draw in the sand, and the "activation energy" that it takes to change our minds.
He could be as overtly criminal as Donald, taking money from Russia and the Saudis in exchange for top secret documents and lists of CIA agents, and I'd still be voting as long as he doesn't also do an insurrection. FPTP and having all Repubs back a criminal as their preferred leader has really backed me into a corner.
IDK that the mental exercise is helpful in 2024. If the point is to say that they feel the same about Biden, that's because they have been brainwashed by far-right propaganda. The activation energy it takes to sway them is cult deprogramming.
Overtly criminal or overtly fascist?
I could back a criminal if I found the reason to be morally sound. Let's not forget that some crimes, morally speaking, were the right thing to do (think hiding jews during the holocaust as an extreme example, and maybe possession of certain drugs as an example of something morally ambiguous that wouldn't keep me from voting for a good candidate)
Using campaign money to pay hush money? That's just in line with the shit Donny already does; it's dishonest as all hell and definitely not morally sound. He's also clearly a fascist.
Actively supporting a genocide with billions of USD in goods seems like a great reason to not vote for Biden anymore
okay, that's the first half... so since you're going to not vote because of gaza, it stands to reason that it's possible that someone would choose not to vote for Trump if he said he wasn't going to let Israel ethnically-cleanse gaza. It's all about putting yourself in someone else's shoes. Thanks for participating!
I'm not even a US citizen but ok
ah. So the true answer to what would it take for me to not vote for Biden was "nothing." I guess the question for you is, what would it take to get you to cast a valid vote for a US democrat president and why aren't you doing it?
For me yeah. I'm just saying I sympathise with all those who think Biden crossed their "activation energy" line by supporting Israel's genocide for this long.
A good track record. I'd want to vote for Bernie if I could, after hearing the fire in his voice and knowing he means it.
I would say strategic voting for biden at this point to prevent Donny from winning is a fine reason to vote Biden right now.
Let's not forget that their system is broken and unless you vote one of those two parties, your vote doesn't matter, and Donny wants your vote to matter even less. Even just to attempt to uphold political democracy it's worth voting Biden, but that's what he's riding on and that's a fucking shame.
By all means, if the alternative wasn't thrusting the US into fascism, I would absolutely say don't vote for the person supporting genocide, alas that is not the case.
What I'm struggling with is to find evidence from past events which would lead you to believe his voters are going to be changed by showing them any of this. You've got the folks who do not care because they are Trump cultists, then you have the folks who would vote for Satan himself if he had R next to his name.
Everyone else is already not going to vote for him.
So what change do we think showing this to his supporters is going to effect?
I think notorious waffler Lindsey Graham has proved conclusively that showing them their own hypocrisy is absolutely and completely pointless. They don't care. They want theirs in power and they don't give a shit how they get them there or what they've done before they got there. That's why they can scream about non-existent child molesters and pedophiles on the left while voting for right wingers who've been actually found to be such.
-Lindsay "nothing I say matters" Graham
He just left off the end bit which is something like "but being right doesn't matter to my constituents who just vote R and hope the 1950s come back"
"F-F-FAKE NeWs"
-- MAGA
My take-away, here, is that 8 years ago he could actually form a sentence.
YouTube popped up a suggestion for a video of Obama being asked about cynicism and my god... I forgot what it was like to have a president who actually had a grasp of the English language and enough functioning neurons to actually speak...
Now we have Donnie Depends and Onion on his belt Biden...
It would be nice if we could have a president that doesn't have first hand memories of the war of 1812...
Here's hoping he gets a sentence on 7/11.
On occasion
Trump has the power of making people drop any form of morals or values, even after called out by his own words. True cult leader stuff.
If trump gets them to drop their morals, then they never really any in the first place.
There’s absolutely nothing he can say to convince MAGA fucks that he’s not leadership material.
They're not interested in what kind of material he's made of. He's their team, and they're his supporters. It's what you get for turning your elections into a sports match.
You’re right, it’s my fault. 🙄
That's the royal 'you' in action.
Omg who cares. He lies and says literally opposite things from previous things every single day. It makes no difference. He's a shit human and no one is going to see this one example and think. "hmm maybe has had him pegged wrong.." just vote in nov please.
I can understand the fatigue, but the alternative is silence and resignation. Someone has to be the sane voice that points out these things. Someone has to display consistent morals, or else society rots completely. You might not see a result immediately, but it's not in vain.
Nah, I'm voting next week to ensure the Dutch left keeps a voice in the EU parliament.
Now now. He said the felony indictment would create a constitutional crisis. The trial would grind government to a halt. His trial's over, he's already been convicted. Completely different situation.
Sarcasm aside, I don't expect this to matter much. Pointing out the hypocrisy never seems to do anything. Maybe hopefully it'll peel off some hesitant voters on the margins, but will it cause the party to change course in any substantial way? I doubt it.
What about the other 51 open indictments?
Exactly. I was going to reply to the original commenter saying, like, you know he's still got 3 other trials actively in progress right? (Well, 1 of those is indefinitely halted, but still).
Ah crap, you're right. I've been so focused on the one case that reached a conclusion that I tend to forget all the other cases still pending.
His good buddy, Viktor Orbán, said that "any prime minister, who makes the Euro go over HUF300 should resign" not only made the Euro go over 300 in the first few months, but nowadays we often hit the 400 mark, basically nullifying most of the wage increase we got, many of which was in the form of "presence bonuses", meaning you get an extra paycheck if you don't go to day offs unless the factory is shut down, and don't use any sick leaves or go to the doctor - imagine what it did during the pandemic.
Add his opinion on media monopoly to the mix back when he was in opposition, sprinkle it with some claims of dancing to the Russians' tune, and decorate it with a pinch of concerns about how a government increasing divide and tensions can only expect to be washed away by the same radicalised masses.
Suddenly the supporters become politically sensitive and open to nuances and grab every opportunity to highlight the difference in cultural and political context (of him back then and now). Bring up literally anything else and the only thing they can regurgitate is the exact words of their dumbed down propaganda.
"Nononono, not like that" - republiKKKlowns
Hopefully his clips saying this end up in some anti maga video ads.
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Landscape video in a portrait video in a landscape video... I'm watching that on a portrait oriented screen. Am I the only one who finds that ridiculous?
Also this post should've just been a link to the video. I don't know how some journalists are employed when they can barely write a paragraph that somehow manages to tell you less than the title.
Imagine thinking this is even an issue. Get help
I think this a good sanity check for us all to remember the kind of person Trump is and what's at stake. But we can't stop with clever gotchas, we need to defeat the fascist ideas that the MAGA movement runs on. Trump will be gone one day, but fascist movements will persist until we defeat their ideas. Fascism is a self-destructive ideology that in the long term benefits no one. Everyone needs to know that.
I don’t disagree but the perceived strong man leader is one of the most important pillars of a fascist movement, who the followers love not for his position but mainly for his cunning ability to charm them. There’s no other person but Trump in sight who would take over his place in the movements’ hearts. Only Elon Musk maybe but he can’t be president. So getting at Trump is absolutely the priority, buying us time until Joe Rogan develops political ambitions.
While there is probably some benefit, that can be measured in votes, in going after Trump, it shouldn't be the priority. The priority has to be showing people that society can be improved without needing to ostracize groups of people. People need to learn the flaws with fascism and neo-liberalism. But they also need to learn that systemic change and wealth redistribution are the answers to their political and economic problems. The fewer people who believe they can fix their problems by punishing minorities, the fewer people Trump and demagogues like him will be able to reach.
The problem with fashist self-destruction is that they usually take the country over and then with them on their way to destruction.
The US can learn from German history or find out themselves how a Nazi government turns out.
Someone should grab him by his felonies.
Jesus fuck, stop playing this "gotcha!" game. This is dumb. He doesn't give a shit about consistency. He'll straight up lie about something he said yesterday. Who are you convincing with this?
First of all, there are people who think it is funny, like me.
Additionally, sometimes people just aren't aware of stuff and people draw different lines. Apparently trump support has decreased since the verdict of his 34 felonies. That wasn't my line for sure; the racism and history of racism was; but apparently some people didn't care about the racism, transphobia, sexism, the sexualizing of his daughter, the cheating on his wife, the lies, ... But about the felonies. So instead of telling people to not speak out about it, don't engage.
me. i'm convinced. i was gonna vote for trump first, but this has persuaded me to vote for biden
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The Right Wingers play "Gotcha!", playing it right back does nothing.
Different question. How is it that in the USA it is legal to run for president when you are a convicted felon? I mean you obviously do not qualify for the job.
Same reason felons can vote; if being a criminal removes your ability to participate in the political process then the government suddenly has a very strong incentive to criminalize their political opponents.
Felons mostly can't vote, though.
Sorry, I always forget how things work down in Freedom Land.
TBF, if trump gets elected again, then the SC is going to legitimize political assassination, so being able to run from prison becomes a moot point.
Afaik the idea is that you want to avoid someone to be able to convict their opponents. So make it impossible to take them out using the legal system. Makes total sense to me.
I think the reasoning is that otherwise opponents can block political candidates by using the justice system. The opposite of what's happening now.
The founding fathers haven't theorized that this particular situation could happen.
Which you can't even blame them for, honestly. Who in the 18th century would have thought a huge chunk of the country would want a known despot?
Well there is the French 16 th century thinker Etienne de la Boétie who wrote a discourse on voluntary servitude in which he argued that men do tend to simp for tyrants over being free a lot of the time:
Spinoza asked "why do people fight for their servitude as if it were their salvation?"
Fear, and superstition; ideology. Under certain circumstances, the masses want fascism.
When the left buys in to the game of fear, hatred, passivity, and superstition - a game turbocharged by social media - we become complicit.
"Instead of politics, we engage in chatter. And it is a sad chatter, whose prevailing form is denunciation. The practice of denunciation debases the multitude. In the place of action, it accepts hatred, which merely externalizes the sadness of passivity; in the place of agency, it accepts fear, and pleads for security; in place of the collective democratic subject, it accepts the superstitious mob.
Superstitious mobs can only serve tyrants, as Spinoza knew well. We now face a new theocracy of our own making, one which through the chatter of social media decomposes our powers and makes politics impossible."
https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/3844-why-do-people-fight-for-their-servitude-as-if-it-were-their-salvation
Thanks. I love me some Spinoza. I just wished they put a citation as to where to find this quote.
The Spinoza quote? As far as I understand it, it could actually be Deleuze paraphrasing Spinoza, perhaps Tractatus Theologico-Politicus, or maybe better said as "Deleuze' translation of Spinoza."
I see, thanks!
Very interesting thank you!
That's silly, if you're powerful enough to do that, you can just imprison them. No one probably thought about this, that's all
It's not that silly if law enforcement officials and judges are elected, like how they are in the American system. Ideally the court/justice system is entirely loose from politics.
Also don't forget that the founding fathers did all partake in sedition, many of them not really having a clear slate whatsoever.
But yeah this particular instance hasn't crossed their minds at all.
My argument being if you can convict a person through the judges you influenced, you can sentence them to imprisonment similarly as well. So it's a moot point.
We have less qualifications to run for president than we do for working at McDonald's. Per the constitution you need to be born in the USA, be 35 by the day you are sworn in, and have lived in the USA for the last 14 years.
But as others have said, the felony thing prevents weaponizing the justice system against political opponents.
Campaign donators need some sign that you will bend to their demands, and so having a decent felony record is a good indication that you will play ball.
Hey everyone, we've finally done it, we've found the one quote that will make trumpets see reason!
As a right-winger who doesn't support Trump, nothing liberals can do will make the Trumpets see "reason." They aren't voting for Trump because of "reasons." They're voting for him because he causes liberals to have a meltdown and drives y'all crazy, and they absolutely fucking hate you and want to watch you stress out and get aggravated. The only way the lib left could make the reactionary right reject Trump is by reacting to him like sane people, which y'all are incapable of.
So what's the sane way to react to him directly contradicting himself and lying about things we have video evidence of?
Clearly, it's too call everyone who is voting for him a fascist, declare that democracy has fallen, and throw a temper tantrum in the middle of the street. Honestly, there's probably nothing that can be done at this point. After 8 years of histrionics over Trump -- four of which he wasn't even in office -- it would be almost impossible to change the right's perception of the left as arrogant, elitist, hypocritical crybullies.
"Laws matter and words mean things"
"Oh here we go again with the arrogant elitist hypocrites!"
Shut the fuck up
What a powerful argument. Not at all the reaction of an arrogant, elitist, hypocritical crybully.
So to be clear: You come here telling the "lib left" they need to behave more rationally, and when asked what that would look like you respond with sarcasm, insults, and don't actually answer the question.
I don't think you're exactly role modeling "reacting like a sane person" here.
The question was glib nonsense. It's not about how one reacts to any individual thing Trump does, especially not when that thing is itself a reaction to the larger context of the liberal/left reaction to Trump's mere existence.
So your original statement was glib nonsense then?
I took your original post at face value, asked an honest follow up of "what would that look like?" And you got offended by that.
You just came here to be a reactionary.
So the things MAGA have been doing for the past 8 years?
Do you really think that's a fair assessment of what "MAGA" have been doing for the past 8 years? Maybe the last 4 years, but they were hardly saying such things when their boy was in office.
Actually, I don't care. What I really want to know is what your point is? "They do it, so it's okay if we do it?" They are, for the most part, a bunch of reactionaries. Trump's base is largely uneducated, lower-middle-class white Christians who don't understand why liberals are radically deconstructing Western civilization around their ears and are terrified of the Brave New World liberals are ushering in. They are reacting out of fear, panic, and resentment towards a cultural elite that considers them ignorant rabble that needs to be told to shut the fuck up, rather than educated -- and often it appears that the cultural elite doesn't want to explain itself because whenever it tries, it's so obviously intellectually bankrupt that even the uneducated rabble can see right through it.
Shouldn't you be better than that? Isn't that your whole premise? That you're smarter than them?
That it's always projection. "Accuse the Lib left of doing the things we are doing! Then we don't have to defend ourselves!"
As opposed to you who considers the "Lib left" ignorant rabble that needs to be told to shut the fuck up, and don't bother to explain yourself because you're so obviously intellectually bankrupt that even the uneducated rabble can see right through it.
Shouldn't you be better than that? Isn't that your whole premise?
That's some a-grade bullshit. Expecting an obvious criminal to face some justice and maybe not be put in charge again... that's reactionary?
"hurr durr I don't support trump but he didn't do nothing wrong!"
Get bent you goon.
Of course, repubs are only fascists to own the libs! It makes so much sense!
Yes, basically. If you insist on calling every right-wing reaction "fascism," then yes, people broadly support "fascism" because they hate liberal progressives. Every single country where fascism has ever arisen, it did so in response to leftist agitation.
Whatever you need to keep justifying your shitty beliefs there bud
"I don't support Trump now enjoy as I spend multiple hours of my day explaining how he's the GOAT"
"I'm so stupid I think I can win an argument by making up quotes. I literally have no idea what a strawman argument is." - Facebones
My beliefs are entirely irrelevant.
What is relevant is that those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
trumpisn is fascism you dimwit
"Trumpism" isn't even a thing. You give Donald Trump far too much intellectual credit.
Please learn to read before insulting people. I said the "only way the lib left could make the reactionary right reject Trump..." Obviously, I was calling right-wingers who support Trump reactionary. You call me a goon, but you're illiterate. So really, maybe you shouldn't be insulting people.
Dude, you came barrelling into this comment section already angry and ready for a fight.
What's your point? That I came here willing to argue with you caused lingh0e to fail a basic reading comprehension check?
You people engage in insults and tone-policing because you're mindless NPCs whose politics is based entirely on group identification and you're not actually capable of making real arguments. None of you can actually dig down into your belief system and justify it from first principles, nor do any of you have any real grasp of the intellectual underpinnings of your beliefs, nor are you cognizant of the history that has brought us to this point. You're just screeching monkeys, flinging shit at things because you're emotionally agitated. None of you actually thinks. That's why lingh0e reacted with rage to a comment they didn't even parse correctly, and it's why you think I came here "angry" (you're projecting your own emotions onto me).
It's always projection.
Thank you for proving my point.
Dude, come on. You were criticizing the -- in your mind monolithic -- left of getting angry too easily when you waltzed in here already pissed, hoping to make some "libtards" angry and prove your point. But you were the one that came in here pissed. You really owned the libs with that one bud.
There is no reason to have a real discussion with you because you never came in here for a discussion. That was never your intention and that is very clear.
Tiktok did that? I wish somebody had called YouTube to film it live.
The hacker 4chan might have been able to assist as well.
Watching the video clip I caught myself pining for the days when Trump rants were at least coherent enough to resemble human speech.
Like, of course everything he said is an easily disproven lie -- some things never change -- but at least the words came together to form sentences. I'm extra not looking forward to the daily news cycle in the coming months.
Just drive people to the polls. Help as much that you can to get the republicans out of office. It doesn’t have to be calling and bothering people, can be a lot of little things.
But his trial was political /s
There I nothing he does that he hasn't contradicted himself on or won't in the future. Literally nothing. When you constantly cancel yourself out we have a name for that - zero.
This is not a gotcha to his diehards. Trumps trial was a sham, that's all they need to think about.
Oh how the turn tables.
I wonder if he’ll still run
The only way he's not running is if the RNC rejects him. And that isn't looking likely. No way he will concede on his own
Maybe a video of the quotes in context without the rando's commentary would be swell too.
I swear he just loves to hear himself speak. Definite that he doesnt care what it is as long as its his own voice
I believe it was reported during the trial that most of the time he was barely paying attention, except for when they played recordings of Trump in court. Then he was fully engaged.
Wouldnt doubt it. Guy probably drinks his own orange juice too
"Oh, the irony! It's like a plot twist straight out of a reality TV show. Back in 2016, I was all about keeping the government running smoothly, and now? Well, let's just say I've developed a taste for plot twists. You know, like when you find out the villain is actually the hero in disguise. Except in this case, the hero has a few court dates lined up. But hey, what's a little legal drama between friends?
In fact, having a sitting president under felony indictment is the new norm! Think of it as a bold new way to keep things interesting in Washington. No more boring government shutdowns – just high-stakes courtroom drama that keeps everyone on the edge of their seats. It's the ultimate season finale every day!
Plus, let’s be honest, who doesn’t love a good comeback story? So sit back, grab some popcorn, and enjoy the show. After all, what’s a little criminal trial compared to a good old-fashioned constitutional crisis? Let’s make America entertained again!"
TikTok Communist Propaganda! Shut'em down! Shut'em all down, folks. Big Ghina isn't going to be fooling those kids anymore, oh no. Looks like the Patriots will be back in control by November.
It will all be overturned. I understand it is not the popular opinion. HAHA Trumps a felon and so on, but no way do we want a justice system to be what we are seeing right now. Alvin Bragg ran and was elected on a platform of going after Trump, and he did it. Doesn't matter whether you're a Democrat or republican, this won't stand long.
But Bragg wasn't 12 jurors at the trial. Prosecutors are also not the judge. An appeals court might overturn it but it has nothing to do with whether the DA ran on a platform to hold someone accountable to the justice system or not.
Have we forgotten the "Lock her up" chants?
What is there to appeal on? He can't appeal the guilty conviction. He can only appeal if the trial was not following procedure, which the judge made absolutely certain that he had nothing to appeal.
And the jury made sure they fully understood the instructions by having them repeated.
Good luck on your appeal 🤣
Wow, someone ran on a platform of prosecuting a criminal for their crimes? Holy shit. What has America become.
12 jurors impartially reviewed the evidence, trump's lawyers were allowed to DISPUTE that evidence, and in the end, those 12 jurors talked about it then came back and said with one voice, GUILTY AF.
But thanks for playing.
You forgot the /s sarcasm tag my friend. That’s why you’re getting the downvotes.
Looking at his comment history, he's either a troll or a fool, he supposedly supports Alberta moving away from the "climate hoax"
Yeah, he's a run-of-the-mill conservative. He's one of the few who comment so much with such awful opinions that I've memorized his name.
Oh, it's you. Opinion disregarded.
There's a lot of biblical-themed Trump pictures in your post history. Didn't that dude cheat on his third wife with a porn star? What would Jesus say about that?
The last few years have really reinforced my feeling that a lot of so-called Christians don't actually read the Bible, but just assume it backs up all of their other backwards beliefs.
You have that feeling because you haven't actually read the Bible. The historical books of the Old Testament, Joshua through Nehemiah, are full of stories of God using wicked and evil men to accomplish good things. For example, King Jehu, who reigned in the 9th century BCE, is an example of God using a wicked man for a good end. Anointed by a prophet sent by Elisha, Jehu was tasked with eradicating the idolatrous house of Ahab. He killed King Joram, Queen Jezebel, and all of Ahab's descendants, fulfilling Elijah's prophecy and eliminating Baal worship in Israel by deceiving and slaughtering Baal's prophets. Despite his zeal, Jehu continued in idolatry by maintaining the worship of golden calves, illustrating how God used his ruthless actions to achieve reform despite Jehu's own moral failings.
Genocide is a good deed now? How curious.
How... how is he not? Did he not use campaign money to pay hush money to a porn star? Is that not fraud? Who is Rachel Maddow? Do you understand basic fact-checking skills?
The original comment was most likely in bad faith.
Most probably, huh. Shame people feel the need to behave this way.
I think some people just like to flirt with how far they can push it without having their comments removed. They see it as a game with entertainment value.
Major respect to our moderators nevertheless.
Oh god you're in my province
Somehow being a Canadian Idiot is worse than being an American Idiot. You expect that kind of thing from Americans.
Lmao
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The only virtue your false savior upholds is white supremacy.
To follow him is to abandon your faith for weak, petulant, anemic hatred.
You are burning the very essence of your soul away and you won't realize it until your last days left alone in a careless old folks home because you yourself instilled your children with the value to let a "burden" like you rot.
This is ironic considering how many liberals will spend their last days left alone in a state-run nursing home because they didn't have children. Assuming the government hasn't fully embraced euthanizing senior citizens by then.
Wow so just coming right out and admitting you see hypothetical kids as nothing but free elder care services, once again, you'll be in a home and you'll deserve it.
Let me get this straight. When you suggest that conservatives will be abandoned by their families into nursing homes, you are not admitting you see hypothetical kids as nothing but free elder care services, but when I point out liberals will end up in the exact same position because they failed to have children, I am somehow admitting I see hypothetical kids as nothing but free elder care services? That's some impressive mental gymnastics you've done there.
All I am saying is that while conservatives might be abandoned by the family they have (though this is mostly just leftist cope), liberals will definitely not be cared for by family they don't have.
You don’t actually believe this nonsense- do you?
Taking the troll account out for a spin today are we?
Proof?