Interesting. I didn't know the words origins. I've always considered it alongside the classic English tradition of referring to women as various animals.
This isnt a uniquely female experience. Men commonly refer to their friends as "dog". Also, in the gay community, men's body types are equated to animals such as "bear," "otter," and "cub".
As someone not too familiar with American cultures, I'd probably make an assumption and go for the (to me) more masculine bird over the docile and flower loving bee, since bees have stingers that they normally would never use and birds have beaks/peckers.
Hmm, well, I have heard women being compared to singing birds (or more degrading as vultures or pen of hens if in group), but I've more often heard women being romantically compared to bees or flowers. Though, I don't think I've ever heard men being compared to bees, but often to birds (eagles, vultures, seagulls, etc.).
Might also be local culture, as I usually think of harmony, nature, and perhaps matriarchy when pondering bees, while birds seem much more gender neutral, like, standoff-ish, elegant, brutal, impulsive, egoistic, even presented as predatory and evil in children movies and some media.
So, using common stereotyping, you can see where I'm coming from.
I've heard dame used more often than bird myself. Honestly, not sure I've actually heard bird used... it's like a vague sense of "I think I knew that.... right?" and my brain shrugs back.
It's slang you'd hear 50 years ago in the east end and Essex. You'll only really hear it used by gangsters in movies these days or someone putting on the accent for laughs, possibly from an old geezer, you certainly won't hear it used by respectable establishments or family friendly media. It's not generally considered offensive but is considered uncouth.
Find a member of staff and ask where the "human bathrooms" are. Don't let them leave until they explain. Bonus points if you piss your pants while they are trying to explain.
"Excuse me sir/madam, I am looking for the human bathroom as I need to pour out some liquid from inside of my body through my urethra, something we humans normally do."
Kinda. But it gets fucking crazy. Mr Garrison gets surgery to be trans fem. Kyle gets taller, black skin, and Mr Garrison's testicles as his new knees. Gerald becomes a dolphin. It's all over the place.
Matt and Trey use the writing technique of "but, therefore" which leads to very insane story threads (with their ribald thinking)
Southpark makes fun of literally every and anything, so yeah it could be considered transphobic lol. Just keep in mind the intention is to be gross, over the top, nonsensical, etc...
Eh, life is short, might as well find humor in things, if we tip toed around everything anyone could possibly get offended for, the world would be a pretty bleak place.
South Park is always "edgy" in the safest way. Climate change was widely ridiculed when they made manbearpig, and the undertones of this one were definitely pretty bad. I give them a pass on mr/Mrs garrison because he's always been a piece of shit much like cartman, but the message with Gerald and Kyle is "surgery doesn't change who you really are." It dropped in 2005 so... Product of the time I guess?
To be honest, the gender binary makes even less sense for bees (as well as wasps, ants, hornets, termites, and other hive insects) than it does for humans.
Hive insects have three sexes: queens (analogous to females), drones (analogous to males), and workers (which could be analogous to intersex people, but it doesn't really translate into human biology).
According to tradition, "the birds and the bees" is a metaphorical story sometimes told to children in an attempt to explain the mechanics and results of sexual intercourse through reference to easily observed natural events. For instance, bees carry and deposit pollen into flowers, a visible and easy-to-explain parallel to fertilization. Female birds laying eggs is a similarly visible and easy-to-explain parallel to ovulation. Another interpretation of the bird laying the egg is childbirth, although that is not as common.
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I once was in the restroom when my (then) boss (plus later doctor father) came to the toilet and farted as loudly as humanly possible. It was very satisfying. Happy that guy is not my boss anymore, he thought his scientific staff are his personal slaves.
Ditto for me on both counts. I was trying to figure out if he was your wifes dad who is also your MD or what. So doctor father is more like drag mother.
That would be nice, for small venues that only have a few stalls. However that would take a ton of rooms and money for high traffic areas like stadiums, airports, and so on.
Tell that to the women I work with that had us roll back the 12x gender neutral toilet stalls into 5x men + 5x female + 2x genger neutral. Top complaint was "using a stall after a man has used it is disgusting". The second highest complaint was that it smells like someone poo'd in the toilet... which is a strange complaint for a toilet.
Would they rather the poop be out of the toilet? I am so confused lol
Although I do agree. Using a stall after a man has used it is disgusting. Also, using a stall after anyone who is not a man has used it is disgusting. (But only if they don't keep it clean)
There's a reason the seats are liftable. It's to lift before you piss and if you pissed on the rim, then just use the nearby faucet to wash it down, then drop the seat back down when leaving.
The problem is not men, but people who don't think of the next person using the thingy.
I was in a hostel for multiple years and I used to was the toilet before and after the deed.
I went to a restaurant this week where the washroom was just one big room with full door stalls and a full door room the size of two stalls with a few urinals in it. No fear of pissing on the seat of you use a urinal. Also, just lift the seat?
Birds also poop out the seeds they eat that helps spread them, while bees rub themselves all over the flower, covering themselves with pollen before moving on to the next flower.
OP' was actually meant to take a left, but instead got lost in the back corridors of the local zoo. Regardless of the which door they chose, it ended with a senior first aid officer and a school group being traumatised.
Of the 60,000 bees in a hive, almost 99% of them are female! Female honey bees, or worker bees, make all of the decisions in the hive and do all of the work. There are a couple hundred male bees in a hive, but they don't do much but sit around and eat food.
Well, there is the fact that "bird" is itself slang for both penis and woman, though of course in the case of the latter it is antiquated enough to be considered offensive (of course, since as I'm informed the only inoffensive ways to refer to those who identify as belonging to the gender traditionally known as the "not male" gender are "girls" for those under 18 and "women" for those above, the offensiveness of this term is perhaps expected.)
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Drones also maintain the temperature of the nest/hive.
Additionally, carpenter bee drones defend the hive (although they don't actually have any defences, and therefore do this by repeatedly bumping into the adversary); and Asian honey bee drones help to kill murder hornets, by enveloping them (alongside other bees) and essentially cooking them to death.
No they're not, that wouldn't even make sense. If all individuals of a species are of a single sex, there wouldn't be male and female, they are hermaphrodites. Bees reproduce sexually.
Anarchist answer: They're both unisex - bees for pees, birds for turds.
Hmm... You might be onto something here
Yes, this establishment's blacklist.
At least they're not charging people to use these bathrooms. Then you'd be kicked out of a fine establishment.
Do I have to hold my pee while I'm pooping until I can get to the other bathroom?
You don't already?!??
ngl I'd shit in the bees stall bc the other one probably nasty af
I would say they're unisex and just pick one.
Bees have a stinger, and "bird" has been a slang term for a woman (like, what, 1920-1950s?).
Regards, I agree that's needlessly vague, and just about to the point of useless.
The only bees with stingers are the female ones, though.
Fine, Bs represent bra size so that's the women's room, and a cock is a bird, so that's the men's room.
Any way you slice it, these signs don't help.
A tit is a bird though
I give up I'm going to go piss in the kitchen
Dishes done.
So is a Booby
As is a cock.
Gotta have both.
Birds have peckers
Wow, how did I miss that??
Wtf
Alternate comment: I love how you need to internalize 100 years of sexism before you can relieve yourself
Harmless old slang terms are now sexist. Got it.
Nope
I'm pretty sure it was sexist back then too. It's just that nobody cared.
Googled it real quick and it's from the French Burd, meaning noblewoman
So.... No?
Interesting. I didn't know the words origins. I've always considered it alongside the classic English tradition of referring to women as various animals.
This isnt a uniquely female experience. Men commonly refer to their friends as "dog". Also, in the gay community, men's body types are equated to animals such as "bear," "otter," and "cub".
And not men?
You're using logic in a situation where someone has to pee badly.
Thank you for the explanation.
As someone not too familiar with American cultures, I'd probably make an assumption and go for the (to me) more masculine bird over the docile and flower loving bee, since bees have stingers that they normally would never use and birds have beaks/peckers.
I've only ever heard bird used as working class slang for a woman in Britain.
Hmm, well, I have heard women being compared to singing birds (or more degrading as vultures or pen of hens if in group), but I've more often heard women being romantically compared to bees or flowers. Though, I don't think I've ever heard men being compared to bees, but often to birds (eagles, vultures, seagulls, etc.).
Might also be local culture, as I usually think of harmony, nature, and perhaps matriarchy when pondering bees, while birds seem much more gender neutral, like, standoff-ish, elegant, brutal, impulsive, egoistic, even presented as predatory and evil in children movies and some media.
So, using common stereotyping, you can see where I'm coming from.
Maybe that's where I heard it? Dunno, it's certainly not current by any stretch.
Odd that so many people are coming out the woodwork to say they didn't know Britons fairly often call women birds.
I've heard dame used more often than bird myself. Honestly, not sure I've actually heard bird used... it's like a vague sense of "I think I knew that.... right?" and my brain shrugs back.
It's slang you'd hear 50 years ago in the east end and Essex. You'll only really hear it used by gangsters in movies these days or someone putting on the accent for laughs, possibly from an old geezer, you certainly won't hear it used by respectable establishments or family friendly media. It's not generally considered offensive but is considered uncouth.
Find a member of staff and ask where the "human bathrooms" are. Don't let them leave until they explain. Bonus points if you piss your pants while they are trying to explain.
Look them intensely in the eye as piss streams down your leg to establish dominance.
Better piss on their leg to mark your territory
"Excuse me sir/madam, I am looking for the human bathroom as I need to pour out some liquid from inside of my body through my urethra, something we humans normally do."
One of the most uncomfortable episodes.
I had to look it up. Am I correct in thinking this was a transphobic episode?
Kinda. But it gets fucking crazy. Mr Garrison gets surgery to be trans fem. Kyle gets taller, black skin, and Mr Garrison's testicles as his new knees. Gerald becomes a dolphin. It's all over the place.
Matt and Trey use the writing technique of "but, therefore" which leads to very insane story threads (with their ribald thinking)
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Southpark makes fun of literally every and anything, so yeah it could be considered transphobic lol. Just keep in mind the intention is to be gross, over the top, nonsensical, etc...
I hate the excuse of "making fun of everything"
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Eh, life is short, might as well find humor in things, if we tip toed around everything anyone could possibly get offended for, the world would be a pretty bleak place.
That's how you get idiots on Twitter getting offended at everything.
Humor isn't harmless, you are affecting the quality of life of minorities if you punch down on them for no reason.
This one might have been, but a few seasons later you have “The Cissy”, probably the most trans-supportive episode they made.
South Park is always "edgy" in the safest way. Climate change was widely ridiculed when they made manbearpig, and the undertones of this one were definitely pretty bad. I give them a pass on mr/Mrs garrison because he's always been a piece of shit much like cartman, but the message with Gerald and Kyle is "surgery doesn't change who you really are." It dropped in 2005 so... Product of the time I guess?
Doesn't matter, just wash you hands when you're done
don't pee on the seat and flush would be my priorities
Slang for women is “chicks” and a bit more archaic, “birds” too.
Bees have a…stinger? Dunno about that one.
Aren't most bees female though?
They are. Hence confusion with the signage.
_prick /prĭk/ noun
... A small, sharp, local pain, such as that made by a needle or bee sting ... A pointed object, such as an ice pick, goad, or thorn. _
Suppose calling men bees is more polite than calling them pricks..
Just look for the one with a line (queue) outside.
Or be fair and pee half in each.
Or be chaotic and scrawl "Mammals" on the wall and pee under that.
If you don't have a cloaca you can't use birds
I know some of these words
A cloaca is kinda like an anus that you also piss and reproduce with.
Terrific username for posting cloaca facts
Efficient
So anybody with a cloaca can just go around and use birds?
It's that what you're saying?
#outrage
Have an open mind. It's 2024 for crying out loud. If they identify as a bird then of course they use birds rooms.
Say have you heard?
I have it on good authority that everybody's heard about the bird.
If you carry and deposit pollen - use the Bees, if you are laying eggs - use the Birds, else use the floor.
Bees - Male, Birds - Female
But bees also lay eggs, and birds also carry and deposit pollen
Also male birds don't lay eggs 🥚🥚
And only the queen bee lays eggs, any bee out and foraging around is a sterile female.
Isn't it mostly just hummingbirds that would get involved with pollen? Or are there others?
It's not exclusively hummingbirds, there are a few others. The wikipedia pages on Ornithophily and Nectarivores have some info about this.
But bees are almost only females
To be honest, the gender binary makes even less sense for bees (as well as wasps, ants, hornets, termites, and other hive insects) than it does for humans.
Hive insects have three sexes: queens (analogous to females), drones (analogous to males), and workers (which could be analogous to intersex people, but it doesn't really translate into human biology).
Well if no queen is there one of the workers will transform into a queen.
Yes
Yeah, males are the drones.
I am shocked how few people know Georgia O'Keeffe's paintings? Bees (females) going flower to flower, pollinating.
I hope those are single user bathrooms. It just simplifies things.
Wow never actually got the meaning:
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Honey this is an Applebee's, shit wherever you want.
Especially in the microwave. Adds flavor.
Why not just make every bathroom a one occupant room? Just because someone has the same genitals as me doesn’t mean I want them to hear me fart.
I once was in the restroom when my (then) boss (plus later doctor father) came to the toilet and farted as loudly as humanly possible. It was very satisfying. Happy that guy is not my boss anymore, he thought his scientific staff are his personal slaves.
What is a doctor father?
The professor you write your PhD thesis at/with/for. Isn't that a common word in English?
I have never written a PhD thesis, so I might not be the best representative, but it's the first time I've heard the phrase.
Ditto for me on both counts. I was trying to figure out if he was your wifes dad who is also your MD or what. So doctor father is more like drag mother.
That would be nice, for small venues that only have a few stalls. However that would take a ton of rooms and money for high traffic areas like stadiums, airports, and so on.
Just make a big trough and make new friends.
Because men piss on the seat, and women get pissy about piss on the seat.
Women also piss on the seat, some squat over the seat to avoid touching it.
It's cute that you think women's bathrooms aren't an absolute train wreck.
Tell that to the women I work with that had us roll back the 12x gender neutral toilet stalls into 5x men + 5x female + 2x genger neutral. Top complaint was "using a stall after a man has used it is disgusting". The second highest complaint was that it smells like someone poo'd in the toilet... which is a strange complaint for a toilet.
Would they rather the poop be out of the toilet? I am so confused lol
Although I do agree. Using a stall after a man has used it is disgusting. Also, using a stall after anyone who is not a man has used it is disgusting. (But only if they don't keep it clean)
There's a reason the seats are liftable. It's to lift before you piss and if you pissed on the rim, then just use the nearby faucet to wash it down, then drop the seat back down when leaving.
The problem is not men, but people who don't think of the next person using the thingy.
I was in a hostel for multiple years and I used to was the toilet before and after the deed.
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You should still have the standing to piss area elsewhere
I went to a restaurant this week where the washroom was just one big room with full door stalls and a full door room the size of two stalls with a few urinals in it. No fear of pissing on the seat of you use a urinal. Also, just lift the seat?
You're preaching to the chior. Try convincing the rest of the men in the world that they also can.
LOL, I worked on a construction site. The men sat for their business or used the funnel on the wall, the women hovered and wet the seat
Bees for pees, birds for tuds.
Can't remember who originally said that but it had me creasing.
That reminds me of stingers for strings and wings for flings.
Used to hear it all the time got me cut up like what.
Birds eat worms, so it's down to sexual preference.
Birds also poop out the seeds they eat that helps spread them, while bees rub themselves all over the flower, covering themselves with pollen before moving on to the next flower.
Not sure that helps answer the question, though.
Oh, so I'm def a bee... I don't know what that means for these signs tho.
I seriously don't know what the hell the "Birds and the bees" even refers to beyond an olde movie cliche.
Bees carry pollen to the flower
Birds devote time to their eggs
Both can be pollinators. Both can tend to their eggs/young. As a non-native speaker, the phrase never made sense to me.
It's an old traditionalist saying to reinforce their norms, based on a limited understanding of both biology and society.
One has a stinger and one incubates eggs I guess?
Bees... Do both?
Sex. It refers to sex.
OP' was actually meant to take a left, but instead got lost in the back corridors of the local zoo. Regardless of the which door they chose, it ended with a senior first aid officer and a school group being traumatised.
Women are Bees. Men are Birds. Arrhenotoky OP.
https://honeystinger.com/blogs/blog/the-anatomy-of-a-hive
Thats a little to common sense for the average American.
I'd wager bees are boys, for bathroom purposes, cause boys have a "stinger"
Maybe this isn't in America.
That said, if it was in the UK, 'birds' would be for women, so the result would be the same.
I think it's a play on words Bees -> Bs, B stands for Boy. Birds -> British slang for women.
Birds -> Bs, B stands for Boy...
I mean that if you say "Bees" out loud it sounds like "B's", as in the boy's room.
I actually got that after I read my own post
But it did remind me of the joke that Quebec labels the cold water with C for cold and hot water with C for chaud
Same thought different reasoning: the expression "a bees dick" exists. There's no equivalent for birds.
A birds pecker?
Huh, not heard that one
Meanwhile I've never heard "a bee's dick" in my life.
My favourite use is to suggest a near miss: the other car missed the cyclist by a bees dick.
Well, there is the fact that "bird" is itself slang for both penis and woman, though of course in the case of the latter it is antiquated enough to be considered offensive (of course, since as I'm informed the only inoffensive ways to refer to those who identify as belonging to the gender traditionally known as the "not male" gender are "girls" for those under 18 and "women" for those above, the offensiveness of this term is perhaps expected.)
Exhibit A!
this is how i feel when a website presents me with a gender prompt with only two options
Or when a webform requires an honorific and none of them is suitable. (I'll usually pick "Honorable")
I love it when serious companies make it a text field, and i get my bills in a letter adressed, in all sincerity, to: Intergalactic Lord Emperor GoosLife
At work we used the department field for outrageous addressees
Hole or pole?
Void or avoid?
This is literally the only reason I'm considering a PhD: I can put "Dr." on official documents and it'll be accepted.
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The British call women "birds" sometimes. Idk.
Well, bees have stingers, which penetrate...
Except male bees have no stingers, and almost all bees are female... So I guess that would leave us fellas as being the birds?
Birds are cool I guess
Women can be quite stingy, so that's women I guess
Ain't that a b(ee)...
I see what you did there 😏
aha because it sounds like "births"
I'm going in and committing to whatever I find inside.
Bees have stingers, birds have peckers..
Bees pollinate, birds lay eggs
Tbf they both lay eggs.
Female bees pollinate, female birds lay eggs. Both are for female?
Neither unless your a bee or a bird.
That's an easy one. Just wait for someone to come out and you'll know the answer.
But what if they didn’t know and just winged it themselves?
Haha, winged, like a bird.
... oh my god
No, winged like bees.
No, wings like "love take me down to the streets"
Androgyny person leaves.
If Spongebob has taught me anything, it's that that won't work.
Even assuming that they themselves knew where to go, that only works if it's a guy
Bees are mostly female and most birds have a pecker, so factual knowledge is the logic I would use to guide my decision.
It's not the right answer, but all the same, my head said:
Queen bees and Dodo birds
... - I think that checks out.
Just select one, if you are wrong, say you are trans.
/s
Answer the question, Claire!
Just pick one and piss. I've pissed in the woman's bathroom before when the guys one was full. It's not a big deal. No one cares.
Now I'm wondering about hummingbirds.
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Bees are all female, so...
No they aren't, the males just live in the hive and their only purpose is to fuck
You're thinking of honey bees. And no, honey bees do not "live in the hive and fuck." They fuck once mid air then die.
Fucking living the dream
This sent me down a rabbit hole. It's estimated that less than one in one thousand actually mate though. So... Maybe.
Death by snu snu.
Drones also maintain the temperature of the nest/hive.
Additionally, carpenter bee drones defend the hive (although they don't actually have any defences, and therefore do this by repeatedly bumping into the adversary); and Asian honey bee drones help to kill murder hornets, by enveloping them (alongside other bees) and essentially cooking them to death.
AFAIK bees are females, the drones are the males.
Lol no they aren't. Honey bees have male drones. Carpenter bees have male bees that guard their nest from other bees.
I got the stinger :p
No they're not, that wouldn't even make sense. If all individuals of a species are of a single sex, there wouldn't be male and female, they are hermaphrodites. Bees reproduce sexually.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_(bee)