Fuck, not being able to trust your doctor because some bootlicker in a suit has passed (or is trying to) a law defining your body's natural processes as a potential murder case?
If these fuckers get their way, I will, at some point, start seeing murder cases where the perpetrator is a woman and default to thinking that the charges are bullshit because of this.
Yup, and once they fully ban abortion, birth control is next, followed by taking away womens right to choose if they have kids or not. Meaning all girls will have a set amount of time to have their required number of children, following their first period.
To be fair, you could have the best doctor in the world. The second they enter those dates into the database with the rest of your notes it is out of their hands. The IT department will be responsible for handing over the data.
The IT department would never be responsible for handing over said data. Backing it up, making sure it was recoverable, sure. But IT would have no actions with such.
I assume it would be the HR department or the administrators
And they will not. You no nothing about IT do you? All obligations and no pay grade. Never does IT go outside their poor ass pay. HR (Legal) as you say, will have to transfer it. Not in our pay grade
I'm not convinced you do, if you genuinely can't imagine a scenario where someone with just enough permissions could be convinced to do this, legally or otherwise.
I have a (well managed) chronic illness. I have to go to lots of doctors at different clinics. All of them are in the habit of just collecting all the information.
For example, as a patient, there's no benefit to me whatsoever of the doctor being aware of the day and month of my birth. That's just the start though, they have my medical concession id number, addresses, et cetera.
If you express any reluctance at all, you're made to feel like a pariah. Like a COVID denier or something. For example, there was one clinic I want sure I would continue with, so when I was asked to fill out my details I asked whether it was really necessary given that I might not come on board as a patient, the receptionist and doctor just couldn't understand why I might be reluctant.
Last time I saw my GP he asked whether he could record our conversation... "it's some AI thing we're trialling". OMFG. Why on earth would I want that? Why would anyone want that? I want my GP who is an actual person to listen to my circumstances and determine the best course of action.
Day and Month of Birth is a basic check to see if you are who you say you are, if you are refusing to give even basic details like that I can see why the medical staff who deal with you would give you confused/annoyed expressions
Same with social security numbers. I’ve lost count of all the sites I’ve had to enter it in over the years, at this point I just assume all of my info is available to a motivated search
To be clear, I don't refuse to provide my Day and Month of Birth, simply because I don't want to be some kind of privacy pariah.
That said, while it may have been a reasonable point of ID in the 90s, I don't believe that remains the case in 2024.
The basic concept of Australian Privacy Legislation is that organisations ought to collect only that information which they require, and they should disclose the reason why they are collecting that data.
If the only reason to collect ones Day and Month of birth is so I can repeat it back and confirm it later then that seems very pointless to me. There are other details which they do require which can be used to confirm my identity.
That said, while it may have been a reasonable point of ID in the 90s, I don’t believe that remains the case in 2024.
It's useful for quickly disambiguating between multiple people with the same name though - the odds that two people with the same name and date of birth are using the same provider on the same day are low enough to consider it useful.
I'm certain that fewer than 0.1% of patients at a small medical clinic would share the same first and last names. In those cases, you could differentiate by address and age if necessary.
This falls into a "if it aint broke, dont fix it" kind of thing. Month and Year Birthdate are fairly low privacy info that everyone remembers and are used to giving out" it gets used for so many different checks because we all have the understanding that we give this info out to businesses that need them, switching to other things that in a vacuum would be a better fit in that one specific category in only a tiny amount just isnt worth the confusion and pushback that changing it would cause.
You only feel like DoB is low level personal information because you tell it to everyone. According to Australian Provacy Principles it's "sensitive" which means it should only be collected when required.
At my podiatrists office it's simply not required.
I think you underestimate how common the most common first and last names are. In an even small city you are likely to see repeats of the most common names.
Interesting. Asking because I work in a hospital (in America tho) and making our patients more comfortable is better for everyone. We do serve a lot of homeless people tho, so for that we would probably still need to ask DoB since we need to verify two identifiers.
Firstly, I'm a weirdo and my preferences aren't indicative of "what makes people comfortable" generally.
Secondly, in some cases DoB is really just a code number. Over the last year I've started providing an incorrect DoB at new clinics I attend. It's never caused any problems. As long as I can provide the right code number when asked it has served its purpose.
When I donate blood, they ask me for that info like 3 or 4 times throughout the process. While it probably doesn't apply to a regular doctors visit, I think it's also used to gauge if you are alert and your memory is good.
That's nice and all, but in the meantime, 96 of the hospital's "valued partners" are listening in to figure out the best thing to advertise to you next.
I'm always in a "Grab any data that might be useful" mood at the doctor's office. I've had teams of trainees brought into my room to show off any medical problems I have. I love supporting the medical field however I can. My mom was in a relatively famous medical video ages ago and such.
But if a doctor asked me to train his AI I'd tell him to fuck right off. No way, no how.
Sorry, maybe I should clarify that to "informed consent" - if someone shoves an eighty page ToS in front of you to use the services of their private hospital you may be giving consent technically but it's not informed consent.
Are you just randomly reading comments and replying? This literal thread is about a doctor who asked a patient for consent to record their session so they could use it to train an AI.
A potential fantastic use of AI is to scan a person's medical records against the vast medical knowledge humans have gathered over the past century or so to help doctors identify problems quicker and with more accuracy.
While the general purpose AI's we use today can't be trusted to diagnose anything (but I'd argue they can assist a competent doctor) a future specific purpose AI that's tailored to that task could revolutionize diagnosis. And with the rate AI is going (even if people like Sam Altman are stretching truths) it's not a too distant future.
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The Democrats have had decades to ensure abortion access would be guaranteed, but they decided not to and allowed it to be overturned. Both parties were absolutely happy to do nothing and just raise funds over abortion, but the Republicans had to actually try to force a change.
If there is a pile of brushwood and gasoline containers next to my house, and my husband wants to light it on fire while my mother wants to keep it there, neither of those people is actually trying to make the situation better.
You should probably ask yourself why you don't have the option to actually reduce harm. Republicans jave no problem getting their representatives to do what they want. So why do Democrats struggle so much?
Because the Democrats are the big tent party. Republicans are backed by a bunch of idiots, WASPS, and single issue voters. The Democrats have entire core elements that vary by state and region, from urban progressive whites to rural socially conservative minorities sith both groups only agreeing on economics for example.
The fact is up until recently the Democrats have had to juggle even more groups that have fallen off, for example in my area there is an Iranian minority that used to back the Democrats but have turned to the Republicans because of LGBTQ issues, because they are a bigoted bunch of weaklings.
The point is that the Dems have been fighting themselves as much as the Republicans, which has hindered them quite a lot. The reason for the increased effectiveness in recent times is due to some demographics shrinking, disappearing, or otherwise realigning with more of the national average. Also the Republicans got a helluva lot worse.
All the average person can do is tell their representatives at the local and federal level what they expect in exchange for their vote. "Vote Blue no matter who" doesntlead to amy actual change unless you leverage your vote for actual policy changes. MAGA is the open admission of what the GOP has been pushing the last few decades actually realized. Republicans who didn't offer what the base wanted were replaced by people willing to push for that reprehensible agenda. Pressure you representatives to actually protect human rights and replace them if theu won't do it. The people have actual power, progressives have jist been conditioned to not wield ot since that threatens the power structure in Washington.
I'm very curious about what the democrats were supposed to do to guarantee abortion access, perhaps you can clarify this for me. Were they supposed to pass a law that somehow would be immune to repeal from the next republican congress? Executive order? Amend the constitution? Some other form of legislative or executive magic I'm unfamiliar with?
And your analogy of a literal arsonist being the same as another person just keeping some resources handy is actually very interesting - because by extension, you think that democrats should anticipate and prevent all possible fire-starting the republicans might do, and when they don't, they're just as bad?
They have been passing laws and changing constitutions at the state level for the past 18 months. Clearly there was political will for that, but they chose to sit on their thumbs and do nothing.
Something bad isn't made better just because you compare it to something worse.
I did though. Republicans spent the past 40 years saying they want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and the Democrats did nothing to make that more difficult. Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt. States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn't. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.
Having the political will to do something now has zero to do with having the political will ten or fifteen years ago when it literally wasn't a problem. Further, this idea that the democrats should just spend all their time and political energy finding ways to prevent all future possibilities of republicans doing bad stuff is stupid on its face, as it's a flatly impossible task (both in scope and actual ability) and takes away from time spent solving other problems.
Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt.
I specifically asked in my prior comment what would stop republicans from repealing such a law when they had control, such as in 2017.
States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.
Man, the same thing over and over. Political will rarely exists to fix problems that might happen, it exists to fix problems that are material.
You know, climate change is important to me, so I think democrats should be expending all their efforts to make the EPA more durable so the next republican congress/administration doesn't ruin it. Oh wait, anything they pass into law can be repealed by the next congress? Executive orders can be revoked? People can be appointed to run government organizations that only have an interest in destroying that organization? Things can be undone?!
Man, maybe prior administrations should have done some sort of magic with the Iran deal/Paris Accords/[any issue the Trump admin undid] so it couldn't have been undone. I don't know what that magic is, and its probably anti-democratic, but you seem convinced it exists.
I'm sure you get it, but this is kinda for whoever is out of the loop on this.
Yeah, right now the meta for pro-choice women is to delete and remove all period tracking apps under the assumption the apps will snitch directly to the government on you, so that, say, Texas lawmakers will know if your period is overdue, and thus you are expected to be possibly pregnant. Then, if that data leads them to certain conclusions, they assume an abortion has happened, and they want that fully criminalized.
It is not unlikely to expect an incarceration in order to "protect the life of the baby", even if you have made no move toward abortion, but once the tracker app and its data tell the patriarchy that you might be pregnant, all bets are off.
Even worse is that sometimes a woman's period is just irregular, or even disappears for a time, especially if she's on some serious athletics and a tight diet, so there's a lot of room for false positive "pregnant" results with possible felony charges on the line, over the fucking tracker app on your phone.
The same situation drives the daughter's actions, doctors will often snitch, and the problem of anti-choice doctors getting you incarcerated because they think you might be pregnant is well known.
Basically this information is now expected to be used to monitor for pregnancy, possibly by law enforcement directly, and it becomes very compromising, especially for a teen girl who already lacks the rights she needs to take herself away from unwanted situations and states. She also likely wants to normalize this behavior for herself, so that others wanting to hide pregnancy do not set off "red flags" when they try to maintain privacy.
Dude. How many links do you want to current horror-level news stories involving anti-abortion laws? And I mean the stuff that's covered by ten of the biggest outlets across the country, minimum.
I tell every doctor "a few weeks ago" and then when they suggest a date I say yes. So every doctor has a different day lol. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite me
Hey if you're on hormonal birth control I think you can just tell them you use the method that gets rid of periods (not taking the placebo week and just continuing with the hormone pills, this is safe if you also just don't want to have periods link)
I have an iud and besides a short time after having one removed to get pregnant with my daughter haven't had my period in uh, 9 years? I just tell them I don't have a period and haven't in years and they accept that readily
If you live in a deep red state even that info will be used against you. The GOP wants to make women brood sows and any type of birth control is considered murder/going against God's plan.
Any woman who votes for the right at this point is voting for the handmaid’s tale. Ending no fault divorce, ending a woman’s right to choose, tracking women's periods, and the list goes on. The right is trying to roll back women’s rights little by little.
Red states are obsessed with knowing who is potentially pregnant and increasingly making legislation to punish people who appear pregnant and suddenly aren't (ie, no periods, then abortion, then having a period). Some of that includes reporting that information, apps for tracking have already been caught sharing that info.
Meme - In popular language, a meme may refer to an Internet meme, typically an image, that is remixed, copied, and circulated in a shared cultural experience online.
This post is a meme. It is an image that is circulated in a shared cultural experience (this post and it's many reposts)
Maybe - but "memes" like this don't have the remix portion. It doesn't even really have the copy portion, because this is more like a repost - the OP didn't copy this tweet to make a similar but different point, they're just sharing a tweet on this Lemmy community. So by this definition, it's not really a meme.
If this were a meme, I'd be able to take it, change some key words while maintaining the general cadence, and a similar outcome with an alternate context. You can't really do that with this screenshot of a tweet.
The image isn't the meme here. What is memetic is the idea of withholding previously innocuous-seeming information from healthcare professionals in the interest of self-preservation.
And if you ask what's memetic about that, I will in turn ask you what coordinated and intentional effort exists to push this concept of information withholding for safety onto American women? And when you then come back after having not found any coordinated and intentional effort, I will simply ask you then how you think this idea has spread to the point of being so easily recognizable and identifiable? Memetic discourse.
I mean, you could interpret remix in a few ways. Editing this specific image? Perhaps it hasn't been done but that doesn't mean it can't be. If we're considering the core message of the post to be the meme, then I would say it has been remixed. This isn't the first post I've seen conveying this sentiment in similar (but distinct) wording. Theres a reasonable basis for this interpretation in my opinion.
Just because you and I lack the imagination and possess enough empathy to not edit this meme doesn't mean there aren't other people out there who can/have
The image in the OP, nor the text within it, will be passed from person to person nor will it become the basis for parody. There has to be some criteria for a meme community to follow and any original piece of text will qualify unless there's some amount of circulation associated with it. Otherwise what separates this community from lemmy.world/c/politics ?
You are describing image macros, which are only one single type of meme, not the only thing that can be memetic. Even philosophical concepts can be spread memetically.
I'm sorry, you simply have a misconception about what the definition of a meme is.
No it doesn't. This is a problem with our laws, and it's not true across the us, only in some of the less intelligent of our states.
The reason people think our health care sucks is because it's for profit which inevitably leads to crappy/no care for the poor. And for that reason it does suck.
But of course, mindless bashing on the US? Upvotes, no matter how little it makes sense.
The reason people think our health care sucks is because it's for profit which inevitably leads to crappy/no care for the poor. And for that reason it does suck.
When people compare healthcare between countries, people compare healthcare by those countries. Not by corporations in those countries. This is why I say my shithole has worst dental care on the planet. And have bad avaliability, brcause regions are still part of country. Although the worst is better than none, I guess. Terrible both by European standards and by standards of 20 years ago. Again, USSA managed to be even worse than this.
It's secondary to point that one states problems be applied to the whole country, although thats probably closer to using the worst of any country in the EU to paint the whole EU.
The point is that this is relatively new, and this is not why people generally think the health care is bad in the us. We actually have great healthcare if you have money. not so much if you don't. This is the general reason why us healthcare is looked down upon.
It's secondary to point that one states problems be applied to the whole country, although thats probably closer to using the worst of any country in the EU to paint the whole EU.
Even then EU healthcare probably better than of my country.
not so much if you don't.
When people compare healthcare between countries, people compare healthcare by those countries. Not by corporations in those countries.
Really. If you have money, there is no difference between countries.
I am Canadian and offered on my Facebook page to mail abortion pills to Americans, got IMMEDIATELY banned for 30 days, and was interviewed by Vice about that. Facebook is complicit.
I’m not one to defend Facebook, the execs can burn in hell for all I care, but they do have to comply with the laws of countries or else face being sued by some litigious Americans.
Let me ask you this. Are you still on Facebook?
Me myself was not happy with the influx of misinformation on there 10 years ago and I’ve not used the site since, or Instagram or WhatsApp.
I really appreciate your dedication but most of us are just trying to get by. I mean the fact that we're engaging with you on this platform instead of others is worth something.
Personally I am old enough that I have never had social media. ICQ then AIM were the way people connected when I was young. Many of the people my age have Facebook accounts, but it's not like they're on there obsessing daily.
My wife deleted her Facebook a couple years ago and I was so proud of her.
Please be careful. Your heart is in the right place but if you keep cutting people out over a shitty choice of platform you might end up out of friends.
Thank you for your kind words, and I didn’t mean to come across as combative or anything, I was just voicing my thoughts.
As for losing friends, if my friends don’t believe in the same things as me then I really should find friends I have more in common with.
Full disclosure I’ve done some fucked up things in my life and my way of making amends is speaking of for the people less fortunate than I am and taking a stand for the things I believe, whether it makes a difference or not.
Exactly, and it’s not just about abortion. Well it is, but abortion isn’t the only cause. Miscarriages are common, and unfortunately these days miscarriages of fetuses and of justice go hand in hand.
Thanks for adding that. I was aware of those cases (also: the pill can make you stop having periods at all), hence why I wrote "suggested".
However, law enforcement can't be trusted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Especially, if it's illegal and persecution is especially politically motivated.
I can only imagine what someone like my ex would have to worry about in those places. The idea that something- for her- is totally normal would see her facing charges for things that never happened anyhow. It's patent stupidity.
This kid is smart, and whoever coached her... good job.
Use AI to identify republicans based on their data, institute shadow bans and silent monetary fines wherever they go outside of their fascist states, and use the fines to finance reproductive health options for the women in their states. Watch the depends diapers fly.
The idea of the Network State is one in which The Grays - a cabal of tech industry insiders - wage war against The Blues - California liberal democrats - by freezing them out of domestic infrastructure.
The macro task is to take back the city. The micro task, or the meso-task, is to take back individual streets and buildings and clearly mark them as under Gray control ... For example, if you had Gray owners of every single building in San Francisco or even every single building on a block, you could set it up such that the Gray login will get you into the building. I mean, this already kind of happens. You have to swipe your key card to come in because the streets are so dangerous. Like near Twitter HQ, for example, that you'd like or run inside and you swipe your key card and you go up the elevator or whatever. Sometimes I've seen people do that. So that's already something that exists but the difference is you'd network it between buildings. And you have something of a Gray tribe membership gets you into the buildings, gets you into certain floors. That is already legal and already practical, under current law. Okay, so that's good, where you have a foothold of private property. And you have a group membership of Gray tribe membership and private property. You also issue T-shirts, and T-shirts are, let's say, the similar Gray color and it's just got different logos and patches on it.
Take total control of your neighborhood. Push out all Blues. Tell them they're as unwelcome as ... just as Blues ethnically cleanse me out of San Francisco, push out all blues. And then you'll easily win.
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Reds should be welcomed there and people should wear their tribal colors. No Blues should be welcomed there. And in addition to celebrating celebrating Gray and celebrating Red, you should have movies shown about Blue abuses. For example, there's this guy who's addicted to drugs, who was addicted to drugs he posts on Twitter about how the Blue government helped him get addicted to drugs. You should have an interview with him. There should be lots of stories about what Blues are doing that is bad.
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Elon, in sort of classic Gray fashion ... captures Twitter and then, at one stroke, wipes out millions of Blues' status by wiping out the Blue Checks and, another stroke, you know, where it does cause some damage, renames Twitter as X, showing that he has true control, and it's his vehicle, and that the old regime isn't going to be restored.
🤷🏻♀️ If your opinion is that I should be forced to medically support a nonsentient bundle of cells against my will and most likely at the expense of my physical and mental health, you don't really deserve freedom of opinion ngl
Maybe that makes me a "wrong think must be punished" authoritarian but honestly idc, let's outlaw being a shit human
If your opinion of pregnancy is that it is a rightful punishment for humans doing sex you should never be allowed within a mile of a child, let alone to be a parent of one.
Children are not a consequence. Sex is not a sin. Purity culture is a blight upon the land that inevitably leads to forced child marriages and child beauty pageants.
You're probably one of those monsters who thinks that all the violence Sex Workers face is fair game because "dAe SeX bAd‽"
Like we get it bro, you think the female orgasm is made up.
"Women should be stockaded as brood mares" is not an opinion it is a fascist maxim that civilized society would rightly deem worthy of an involuntary psych hold.
Not 100% effective even when used properly and the correct size is used.
N'or is any BC method short of inserting a valve in every man's testicles that are only opened to allow sperm to happen when they earn their reproducing privileges by showing sufficient "not a blithering moron"-ness
If you think an unresponsive cluster of cells is a "body" then I'll await you turning yourself in at the hague for crimes against humanity if you've ever jizzed even once in your life for the millions of people you have killed in cold blood.
And, the doctor may not have a choice. Even if they're asking for purely medical-history reasons, they may have to put the information into a system (according to their employer or insurance company or for their own records), and that system may be subject to information gathering from hostile parties.
That entirely depends on where you are going, what insurance networks they deal with, and what the appointment was scheduled for.
Going in for a sinus infection, yeah that's probably not going to be necessary. Going in for a women's wellness check up? They are probably going to have to input something depending on the forms the institution uses for electronic medical records.
Certain insurances will utilize specific metrics to determine reimbursement. If you don't document certain information they may use it as an excuse not to reimburse the provider.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion. A prosecutor can potentially use the timing of that previous period to suggest fetal age at the time of a future abortion may be greater than the law allows.
Doctors don't need that information. Insurance companies surely don't need that information.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion.
Yes, I understand that. I practice pediatric medicine in the most conservative state in the nation.
Doctors don't need that information.
Again, this is circumstantial. Menstruation cycles are still very important to certain types of medical care. It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
Most of the reasons why physicians ask these questions is purely out of concern for your health and for liability purposes. Certain medications can be dangerous to prescribe to a person who is unknowingly pregnant.
Insurance companies surely don't need that information.
I wasn't validating the insurance companies reasoning, just informing why physicians and other medical providers may ask these questions.
Doctor patient confidentiality is not absolute, and even if it were, the associated records are not. They are subject to subpoena in certain circumstances.
It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
It is unsafe to suggest that they can. Safety isn't on the menu here. You can only get it with a referendum. Or a guillotine.
It is unsafe to suggest that they can. Safety isn't on the menu here. You can only get it with a referendum. Or a guillotine.
You are misconstruing health and legal safety. There is already an alarming lack of women's reproductive care, and America already has the highest maternal mortality rate of any wealthy nation.
Your suggestion that you should fear talking about a provider out of concern for the slim possibility that you will be prosecuted for having an abortion is outright dangerous.
How many people have been jailed so far for this information? Now weigh that against the amount of just black women who die every year for lack of prenatal care. What you are spreading is not only dangerous, but reeks of privilege.
There is already an alarming lack of women's reproductive care,
How's the health care in prison?
Your suggestion that you should fear talking about a provider out of concern for the slim possibility that you will be prosecuted for having an abortion is outright dangerous.
Indeed, it is. As is your suggestion that the possibility of prosecution is "slim". We have highly motivated people seriously promoting pregnancy registries. They believe such registries are necessary to prevent murder.
Now weigh that against the amount of just black women who die every year for lack of prenatal care. What you are spreading is not only dangerous, but reeks of privilege.
You're hand waving away even the possibility of civil or criminal penalties for seeking healthcare, and I'm the one who sounds privileged?
Every time I’ve gone to the doctor in the US since several years before I actually had my first period (I was a late bloomer), I’ve been asked about the date of my last period. Since I moved to Germany (a country with a longer life expectancy than the US), I’ve only been asked if I could be pregnant before X-rays and prescriptions or when it’s been relevant to my visit (abdominal cramps, unexplained vomiting, etc.). I understand if you didn’t realize that it’s asked for absolutely everything or if you thought it was actually necessary, but it’s both constant and unnecessary.
It's like trying to buy alcohol from a legal market - the seller will absolutely rat you out to the cops to protect themselves and their business. Same thing, you can't trust them if you're potentially breaking the law. Sadly, this is going on for women simply being suspected of getting pregnant so the government can keep tabs on them. It's gross
Some doctors have provided sensitive information to authorities, and also there are politicians pushing for legislation that would make protected medical info accessible to LEO and other such parties.
Why? While the post could maybe be read as a condemnation of the daughter, it could equally be read as condemning medical professionals and/or politicians legislating women's bodies.
And to me it's even simpler than that. It's a parent noticing the state of the country means kids aren't sharing what used to be standard answers to biological questions because there's no faith that the system won't stay out of their business.
Russia... Not the best time to visit, but hopefully Bunker Rat will be sent to Hauge by the time you will need it.
Here's government's decree(as in by executive branch) about what happens if foreigners that don't have any insurance for example breaks bone. Here's translarion of paragraph 5:
5. Emergency, including emergency specialized, medical care is provided to foreign citizens in case of sickness, accident, trauma, poisining and other cases requireing emergency treatment. Such medical treatment provided by state and municipal healthcare organizations is free of charge.
Not all poisonings occur because of assassination attempts. (in fact I imagine it to be a very tiny minority of poisoning cases) Someone can be poisoned by picking the wrong mushroom, thinking it to be a different edible one, or by eating the delicious looking tide pods or by drinking a cup of the methanol-rich alcoholic beverage your friend made (or by drinking too much alcohol in general).
I suppose that means doctors in some states are now allowed or even required to report pregnancies that don't end in child birth? (honest question, I'm not from the US)
Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma and South Carolina lead the nation in arresting and criminally punishing women for allegedly posing a danger to their fetuses, according to a report released by advocacy group Pregnancy Justice.
Nationwide, nearly 1,400 people were arrested or subject to disparate bail, sentencing and probation for conduct related to their pregnancies between 2005 and the Supreme Court decision in June 2022 dismantling abortion rights, the report found. The vast majority were poor, white women, although poor Black women were disproportionately represented.
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Advocates pointed to two key drivers in criminalizing pregnancy: the expansion of so-called fetal rights or “personhood” laws and a more punitive approach to substance use among pregnant women — even as many states move to decriminalize drug abuse in line with evolving approaches to addiction. The majority of criminal cases documented by Pregnancy Justice related to substance use, including marijuana, cocaine or methamphetamines. In about one-quarter of these cases, the substance was legal: such as nicotine, alcohol or prescription opiates.
Not sure if it is in effect but there's at least a dozen state legislators who are making pushes for it by now without a doubt.
Especially in the wake of referendums spinning against republicans on this issue, conservatives have a nasty little habit of psychotically doubling down when they realize popular opinion is against them.
I don't think any of the laws have officially passed yet but yes it's widely expected to happen soon. This is specifically in reference to laws being considered that would track menstrual cycles to spot possible abortions.
If the state decides to punish people for having allergies and to violate medical confidentiality to force doctors to report these people - you wouldn't want to tell your doctor about your allergies either.
not really. typically birth control is prescribed with instructions on when to start in relation to your period. they don't need to know the exact date.
well, you don't have to answer the doctor, and he/she doesn't have to prescribe or help you. bye, don't come back. you don't get to ask for help then stonewall, just don't come.
Have you considered that it may be entirely irrelevant to why they need help?
Her denying that info makes it easier for women who are trying to avoid being persecuted for getting an abortion to do the same, keeping them safer. If your primary care physician asks as course of habit but your period was regular, its not important for them to have the specific date.
You're being down voted because you've made yourself seem both ignorant and callus.
so find another doctor. if i don't like what my doctor is telling me, i find another. you can downvote me all you want, but neither of us know every detail of what the actual issue is, we're basically working from a meme.
do you continue to do business with racist management/owners/employees?
do you continue to go to places that have treated you like shit?
i mean, she can deny answering the questions, and the doctor can deny her service. i don't see the issue here, both are private parties and well within their rights to do so.
They ask you about periods at every single visit for any reason. Have migraines? When was your last period?Twisted your ankle? When was your last period? Think there is a bug in your ear? When was your last period?
There is no avoiding this question as a period aged woman.
Fuck, not being able to trust your doctor because some bootlicker in a suit has passed (or is trying to) a law defining your body's natural processes as a potential murder case?
Fuck these fascist Republican scumbags.
If these fuckers get their way, I will, at some point, start seeing murder cases where the perpetrator is a woman and default to thinking that the charges are bullshit because of this.
Yup, and once they fully ban abortion, birth control is next, followed by taking away womens right to choose if they have kids or not. Meaning all girls will have a set amount of time to have their required number of children, following their first period.
My country has free healthcare. Doctors do not get any info unless you give them, because you keep the files.
What do you think happens with universal systems?
Any doctor office I walk into, gets my entire history based on my PHIN.... which is required for me to provide in order to get service.
whoosh
To be fair, you could have the best doctor in the world. The second they enter those dates into the database with the rest of your notes it is out of their hands. The IT department will be responsible for handing over the data.
The IT department would never be responsible for handing over said data. Backing it up, making sure it was recoverable, sure. But IT would have no actions with such.
I assume it would be the HR department or the administrators
Legal will tell the IT department to preserve it and hand it over.
And they will not. You no nothing about IT do you? All obligations and no pay grade. Never does IT go outside their poor ass pay. HR (Legal) as you say, will have to transfer it. Not in our pay grade
You're talking as if there are no MAGA assholes and corporate cocksuckers that work in IT. I hate to break it to you...
Leaking information and providing information to a warranted search I would consider vastly different.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.
I'm not convinced you do, if you genuinely can't imagine a scenario where someone with just enough permissions could be convinced to do this, legally or otherwise.
Same difference. It's out of the doctor's hands.
This.
I have a (well managed) chronic illness. I have to go to lots of doctors at different clinics. All of them are in the habit of just collecting all the information.
For example, as a patient, there's no benefit to me whatsoever of the doctor being aware of the day and month of my birth. That's just the start though, they have my medical concession id number, addresses, et cetera.
If you express any reluctance at all, you're made to feel like a pariah. Like a COVID denier or something. For example, there was one clinic I want sure I would continue with, so when I was asked to fill out my details I asked whether it was really necessary given that I might not come on board as a patient, the receptionist and doctor just couldn't understand why I might be reluctant.
Last time I saw my GP he asked whether he could record our conversation... "it's some AI thing we're trialling". OMFG. Why on earth would I want that? Why would anyone want that? I want my GP who is an actual person to listen to my circumstances and determine the best course of action.
Day and Month of Birth is a basic check to see if you are who you say you are, if you are refusing to give even basic details like that I can see why the medical staff who deal with you would give you confused/annoyed expressions
Well, yea, but we shouldn't use it for that either.
Google found my day and month of birth in about 3 seconds, and it's entirely because of this "collect everything" behavior.
Same with social security numbers. I’ve lost count of all the sites I’ve had to enter it in over the years, at this point I just assume all of my info is available to a motivated search
To be clear, I don't refuse to provide my Day and Month of Birth, simply because I don't want to be some kind of privacy pariah.
That said, while it may have been a reasonable point of ID in the 90s, I don't believe that remains the case in 2024.
The basic concept of Australian Privacy Legislation is that organisations ought to collect only that information which they require, and they should disclose the reason why they are collecting that data.
If the only reason to collect ones Day and Month of birth is so I can repeat it back and confirm it later then that seems very pointless to me. There are other details which they do require which can be used to confirm my identity.
It's useful for quickly disambiguating between multiple people with the same name though - the odds that two people with the same name and date of birth are using the same provider on the same day are low enough to consider it useful.
I'm certain that fewer than 0.1% of patients at a small medical clinic would share the same first and last names. In those cases, you could differentiate by address and age if necessary.
This falls into a "if it aint broke, dont fix it" kind of thing. Month and Year Birthdate are fairly low privacy info that everyone remembers and are used to giving out" it gets used for so many different checks because we all have the understanding that we give this info out to businesses that need them, switching to other things that in a vacuum would be a better fit in that one specific category in only a tiny amount just isnt worth the confusion and pushback that changing it would cause.
It is broken though.
You only feel like DoB is low level personal information because you tell it to everyone. According to Australian Provacy Principles it's "sensitive" which means it should only be collected when required.
At my podiatrists office it's simply not required.
I think you underestimate how common the most common first and last names are. In an even small city you are likely to see repeats of the most common names.
Does that really matter?
Differentiate some other way.
Which other identifiers would you feel comfortable confirming? Is there a reason you think DoB is dangerous to share?
DoB is considered sensitive personal information in the Australian Privacy Act.
Other identifiers might be street number or last three digits of phone number.
Interesting. Asking because I work in a hospital (in America tho) and making our patients more comfortable is better for everyone. We do serve a lot of homeless people tho, so for that we would probably still need to ask DoB since we need to verify two identifiers.
Firstly, I'm a weirdo and my preferences aren't indicative of "what makes people comfortable" generally.
Secondly, in some cases DoB is really just a code number. Over the last year I've started providing an incorrect DoB at new clinics I attend. It's never caused any problems. As long as I can provide the right code number when asked it has served its purpose.
When I donate blood, they ask me for that info like 3 or 4 times throughout the process. While it probably doesn't apply to a regular doctors visit, I think it's also used to gauge if you are alert and your memory is good.
The AI thing is probably for the doctor to have a summary at the end, notes without needing to type them.
That's nice and all, but in the meantime, 96 of the hospital's "valued partners" are listening in to figure out the best thing to advertise to you next.
Why such a low number?
They bought the competition and shut them down already.
That AI thing stole my job
Sincerely,
A pissed off ex-medical stenographer
I would never have sold your info :(
I'm always in a "Grab any data that might be useful" mood at the doctor's office. I've had teams of trainees brought into my room to show off any medical problems I have. I love supporting the medical field however I can. My mom was in a relatively famous medical video ages ago and such.
But if a doctor asked me to train his AI I'd tell him to fuck right off. No way, no how.
Worth mentioning but health screening is a great use of AI.
The one I tried told me it was lupus
Must have been built in House
Also worth mentioning.
Ask for fucking consent.
AI model training is off the fucking rails right now and we really need laws and lawsuits to punish assholes.
they did, they literally asked them to fill out forms.
Sorry, maybe I should clarify that to "informed consent" - if someone shoves an eighty page ToS in front of you to use the services of their private hospital you may be giving consent technically but it's not informed consent.
If "them" means me... no my GP didn't ask me to fill out a form authorising the recording.
It seemed obvious to me that GP didn't really know much about it, like how data stored, how data used, et cetera.
Are you just randomly reading comments and replying? This literal thread is about a doctor who asked a patient for consent to record their session so they could use it to train an AI.
I think this statement is far too broad.
It might be good to have AI review some imaging someone has had done to examine some particular ailment.
It's definitely not good to have a LLM review conversations with my GP and send me targeted marketing for "potential" ailments.
It is, it was a bit terse, you're right.
A potential fantastic use of AI is to scan a person's medical records against the vast medical knowledge humans have gathered over the past century or so to help doctors identify problems quicker and with more accuracy.
While the general purpose AI's we use today can't be trusted to diagnose anything (but I'd argue they can assist a competent doctor) a future specific purpose AI that's tailored to that task could revolutionize diagnosis. And with the rate AI is going (even if people like Sam Altman are stretching truths) it's not a too distant future.
man, id hate to have you as a client. I'm all for privacy and not wasting time, but you're just unbearable in this regard.
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The Democrats have had decades to ensure abortion access would be guaranteed, but they decided not to and allowed it to be overturned. Both parties were absolutely happy to do nothing and just raise funds over abortion, but the Republicans had to actually try to force a change.
If there is a pile of brushwood and gasoline containers next to my house, and my husband wants to light it on fire while my mother wants to keep it there, neither of those people is actually trying to make the situation better.
Interesting, the one who doesn't want to burn your house down is equal to the person who does want to burn your house down in your mind?
Neither one wants to do what you want so both are equally bad to you, what a shit take.
The solution is to remove the danger, or else your house willburn down sooner or later.
That's not an option you have right now.
The choice is between burning it down NOW or not.
their answer to raging forest fires destroying 1000s of homes each year:
You should probably ask yourself why you don't have the option to actually reduce harm. Republicans jave no problem getting their representatives to do what they want. So why do Democrats struggle so much?
Because the Democrats are the big tent party. Republicans are backed by a bunch of idiots, WASPS, and single issue voters. The Democrats have entire core elements that vary by state and region, from urban progressive whites to rural socially conservative minorities sith both groups only agreeing on economics for example.
The fact is up until recently the Democrats have had to juggle even more groups that have fallen off, for example in my area there is an Iranian minority that used to back the Democrats but have turned to the Republicans because of LGBTQ issues, because they are a bigoted bunch of weaklings.
The point is that the Dems have been fighting themselves as much as the Republicans, which has hindered them quite a lot. The reason for the increased effectiveness in recent times is due to some demographics shrinking, disappearing, or otherwise realigning with more of the national average. Also the Republicans got a helluva lot worse.
How do we remove the danger? Specifically? Things the average person can do that will actually help.
All the average person can do is tell their representatives at the local and federal level what they expect in exchange for their vote. "Vote Blue no matter who" doesntlead to amy actual change unless you leverage your vote for actual policy changes. MAGA is the open admission of what the GOP has been pushing the last few decades actually realized. Republicans who didn't offer what the base wanted were replaced by people willing to push for that reprehensible agenda. Pressure you representatives to actually protect human rights and replace them if theu won't do it. The people have actual power, progressives have jist been conditioned to not wield ot since that threatens the power structure in Washington.
I'm very curious about what the democrats were supposed to do to guarantee abortion access, perhaps you can clarify this for me. Were they supposed to pass a law that somehow would be immune to repeal from the next republican congress? Executive order? Amend the constitution? Some other form of legislative or executive magic I'm unfamiliar with?
And your analogy of a literal arsonist being the same as another person just keeping some resources handy is actually very interesting - because by extension, you think that democrats should anticipate and prevent all possible fire-starting the republicans might do, and when they don't, they're just as bad?
They have been passing laws and changing constitutions at the state level for the past 18 months. Clearly there was political will for that, but they chose to sit on their thumbs and do nothing.
Something bad isn't made better just because you compare it to something worse.
You didn't answer the question.
I did though. Republicans spent the past 40 years saying they want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and the Democrats did nothing to make that more difficult. Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt. States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn't. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.
Having the political will to do something now has zero to do with having the political will ten or fifteen years ago when it literally wasn't a problem. Further, this idea that the democrats should just spend all their time and political energy finding ways to prevent all future possibilities of republicans doing bad stuff is stupid on its face, as it's a flatly impossible task (both in scope and actual ability) and takes away from time spent solving other problems.
I specifically asked in my prior comment what would stop republicans from repealing such a law when they had control, such as in 2017.
Man, the same thing over and over. Political will rarely exists to fix problems that might happen, it exists to fix problems that are material.
You know, climate change is important to me, so I think democrats should be expending all their efforts to make the EPA more durable so the next republican congress/administration doesn't ruin it. Oh wait, anything they pass into law can be repealed by the next congress? Executive orders can be revoked? People can be appointed to run government organizations that only have an interest in destroying that organization? Things can be undone?!
Man, maybe prior administrations should have done some sort of magic with the Iran deal/Paris Accords/[any issue the Trump admin undid] so it couldn't have been undone. I don't know what that magic is, and its probably anti-democratic, but you seem convinced it exists.
Land of the thief, home of the slave.
https://youtu.be/OO18F4aKGzQ
You da real mvp.
Oh I get it, it's in response to pregnancy tracking bills in the making. I just thought she was anti-medicine in general, at first.
I'm sure you get it, but this is kinda for whoever is out of the loop on this.
Yeah, right now the meta for pro-choice women is to delete and remove all period tracking apps under the assumption the apps will snitch directly to the government on you, so that, say, Texas lawmakers will know if your period is overdue, and thus you are expected to be possibly pregnant. Then, if that data leads them to certain conclusions, they assume an abortion has happened, and they want that fully criminalized.
It is not unlikely to expect an incarceration in order to "protect the life of the baby", even if you have made no move toward abortion, but once the tracker app and its data tell the patriarchy that you might be pregnant, all bets are off.
Even worse is that sometimes a woman's period is just irregular, or even disappears for a time, especially if she's on some serious athletics and a tight diet, so there's a lot of room for false positive "pregnant" results with possible felony charges on the line, over the fucking tracker app on your phone.
The same situation drives the daughter's actions, doctors will often snitch, and the problem of anti-choice doctors getting you incarcerated because they think you might be pregnant is well known.
Basically this information is now expected to be used to monitor for pregnancy, possibly by law enforcement directly, and it becomes very compromising, especially for a teen girl who already lacks the rights she needs to take herself away from unwanted situations and states. She also likely wants to normalize this behavior for herself, so that others wanting to hide pregnancy do not set off "red flags" when they try to maintain privacy.
Wow. America's a scary place.
It is if you view it through this fucked up lens, sure.
The scare tactic "Fox News" approach alive and well here, I see.
I just mean compared to the country I live in.
Dude. How many links do you want to current horror-level news stories involving anti-abortion laws? And I mean the stuff that's covered by ten of the biggest outlets across the country, minimum.
I tell every doctor "a few weeks ago" and then when they suggest a date I say yes. So every doctor has a different day lol. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite me
I thought you meant:
Doctor: “when was your last period?”
Me: “a few weeks ago.”
Doctor: “date?”
Me: yes
Doctor: great I’ll pick you up at 8
breeding intensifies
Kinda funny how breeding fetishes kinda became more popular around the same time the right to abortion date flared up again after Dobbs
Hmm...you are definitely hanging around a different corner of the internet then I am.
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Your grandmother from Long Island highly approves!
I hope you don't live in an abortion ban state, because that very well could come back to bite you
That makes me soooo fucking angry
I do, so we will see what happens
I'm sure my governor would love to see me in jail anyway
Hey if you're on hormonal birth control I think you can just tell them you use the method that gets rid of periods (not taking the placebo week and just continuing with the hormone pills, this is safe if you also just don't want to have periods link)
I have an iud and besides a short time after having one removed to get pregnant with my daughter haven't had my period in uh, 9 years? I just tell them I don't have a period and haven't in years and they accept that readily
If you live in a deep red state even that info will be used against you. The GOP wants to make women brood sows and any type of birth control is considered murder/going against God's plan.
Good point, I appreciate it!
Bald eagle freedom screech intensifies.
Fun fact: the famous bald eagle freedom screech as we know it from the movies is not from an eagle, it's the scream of a red-tailed hawk.
These days it's actually the screech of the yellow bellied, tail tucked misogynist.
In reality eagles just sound like large seagulls.
Quite disappointing actually.
Edit: Now that I see them juxtaposed I wonder if the names of the two birds are related due to the similarity in sound.
Seagull... E-gull....
Hmmm...
I was meaning the sound the birds make 😅
They actually sound like deranged seagulls. I think that sound is probably more on the nose for what is going on in the US.
Holy shit, that hits home. Smart daughter.
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Any woman who votes for the right at this point is voting for the handmaid’s tale. Ending no fault divorce, ending a woman’s right to choose, tracking women's periods, and the list goes on. The right is trying to roll back women’s rights little by little.
I remember when the right said things would never get as bad as the handmaid's tale. It's not a coincidence they stopped saying that.
What’s The meme here?
Red states are obsessed with knowing who is potentially pregnant and increasingly making legislation to punish people who appear pregnant and suddenly aren't (ie, no periods, then abortion, then having a period). Some of that includes reporting that information, apps for tracking have already been caught sharing that info.
Thanks
I can read.
You did not answer the question.
What’s the meme here?
Congrats, you've become the meme here
At least now there is one. Happy to help.
Missed opportunity to use the “Look at me, I’m the meme now” meme as your response to becoming the meme.
Either you die a memer or live long enough to become the meme.
Memes are a form of cultural expression, spread from one person to another. This post is a meme. It's not humorous but it is a meme
No, memes follow or aim to create a template / macro. This is just a snapshot of a Twitter post.
Meme - In popular language, a meme may refer to an Internet meme, typically an image, that is remixed, copied, and circulated in a shared cultural experience online.
This post is a meme. It is an image that is circulated in a shared cultural experience (this post and it's many reposts)
Maybe - but "memes" like this don't have the remix portion. It doesn't even really have the copy portion, because this is more like a repost - the OP didn't copy this tweet to make a similar but different point, they're just sharing a tweet on this Lemmy community. So by this definition, it's not really a meme.
If this were a meme, I'd be able to take it, change some key words while maintaining the general cadence, and a similar outcome with an alternate context. You can't really do that with this screenshot of a tweet.
The image isn't the meme here. What is memetic is the idea of withholding previously innocuous-seeming information from healthcare professionals in the interest of self-preservation.
And if you ask what's memetic about that, I will in turn ask you what coordinated and intentional effort exists to push this concept of information withholding for safety onto American women? And when you then come back after having not found any coordinated and intentional effort, I will simply ask you then how you think this idea has spread to the point of being so easily recognizable and identifiable? Memetic discourse.
I mean, you could interpret remix in a few ways. Editing this specific image? Perhaps it hasn't been done but that doesn't mean it can't be. If we're considering the core message of the post to be the meme, then I would say it has been remixed. This isn't the first post I've seen conveying this sentiment in similar (but distinct) wording. Theres a reasonable basis for this interpretation in my opinion.
Just because you and I lack the imagination and possess enough empathy to not edit this meme doesn't mean there aren't other people out there who can/have
Nope! A meme is an idea that passes from person to person and evolves as it does. Image macros are simply one form of meme.
The image in the OP, nor the text within it, will be passed from person to person nor will it become the basis for parody. There has to be some criteria for a meme community to follow and any original piece of text will qualify unless there's some amount of circulation associated with it. Otherwise what separates this community from lemmy.world/c/politics ?
Here ya go: https://imgflip.com/i/8qbioo
You say that with such certainty. Can you prognosticate about other things or just the future of memes?
It already has been passed from person to person. We wouldn't be talking about it if it hadn't.
You are describing image macros, which are only one single type of meme, not the only thing that can be memetic. Even philosophical concepts can be spread memetically.
I'm sorry, you simply have a misconception about what the definition of a meme is.
I would classify this as a combo INFOSEC and "OK boomer" meme, ie, "Lol, you trust _____ with that info? OK boomer"
15 years or so ago I would've classified it as a conspiracy nutjob meme, but that's the state of politics.
abortion ban
Didnt you know? Screenshots of text are they new memes
Mods should remove posts which don't stay on topic
They should, but this is a political topic meme.
But it's not
Yes it is.
Good one. As far as I can tell there are no moderators.
This explains why people say healthcare in US is terrible
Calling it healthcare is starting to seem like more and more of a stretch every day
Following the naming conventions of 1984.
Hah!
It’s a reason, not the reason
I heard even citizens have to pay for it even when you break bone.
Yup. And if you get sick. And if you need emergency treatment.
If you can't pay then they'll "stabilize" you and kick you out.
Having broken bone IS needing emergency treatment.
It's an emergency, but is it a 3 months worth of rent emergency.
"New joint I guess"
Oh you clearly didn't grow up on the wrong side of America. We first ask, but how broken is it really?
Enough to be seen on x-ray.
Sorry, what x-ray? Oh, that'll be $200 please. The USA is dystopia
No it doesn't. This is a problem with our laws, and it's not true across the us, only in some of the less intelligent of our states.
The reason people think our health care sucks is because it's for profit which inevitably leads to crappy/no care for the poor. And for that reason it does suck.
But of course, mindless bashing on the US? Upvotes, no matter how little it makes sense.
When people compare healthcare between countries, people compare healthcare by those countries. Not by corporations in those countries. This is why I say my shithole has worst dental care on the planet. And have bad avaliability, brcause regions are still part of country. Although the worst is better than none, I guess. Terrible both by European standards and by standards of 20 years ago. Again, USSA managed to be even worse than this.
It's secondary to point that one states problems be applied to the whole country, although thats probably closer to using the worst of any country in the EU to paint the whole EU.
The point is that this is relatively new, and this is not why people generally think the health care is bad in the us. We actually have great healthcare if you have money. not so much if you don't. This is the general reason why us healthcare is looked down upon.
Even then EU healthcare probably better than of my country.
Really. If you have money, there is no difference between countries.
I like this N.J. way to talk to doctors: “don’t worry about it”, “it is what it is”, “who’s asking?”
Reminds me of Johnny Tightlips:
Fat Tony: Johnny, how's your mother?
JT: Who says I have a mother?
Johnny Tightlips, where'd they hit ya? JT: I ain't saying nothin' But, what do I tell the doctor? JT: Tell him to suck a lemon.
What's it to ya?!
"What are you, a cop?"
“What consistency is your stool lately?”
OWWWW!!
I'm going to guess this person lives in one of those shithole theocracies.
Yeah, the post said it right at the end. America.
I'm so glad I got sterilized once the RvW info got leaked. I wish I could thank whomever leaked it. In my eyes, they're a hero.
I am Canadian and offered on my Facebook page to mail abortion pills to Americans, got IMMEDIATELY banned for 30 days, and was interviewed by Vice about that. Facebook is complicit.
I’m not one to defend Facebook, the execs can burn in hell for all I care, but they do have to comply with the laws of countries or else face being sued by some litigious Americans.
Let me ask you this. Are you still on Facebook?
Me myself was not happy with the influx of misinformation on there 10 years ago and I’ve not used the site since, or Instagram or WhatsApp.
Full disclosure: we use ReactJS at work.
Yes because I have a lot of friends from a previous social media platform and that's the only way we can stay connected.
Hey, each to their own, but I’m prepared to make sacrifices for the things I believe.
I don’t shop on Amazon, and some things I just can’t find elsewhere so I just don’t buy them.
As mentioned I don’t use WhatsApp so I miss out on group chats as my friends won’t use signal.
The list is quite long at this point.
I just find it odd that you’ll call out Facebook for being complicit but do nothing about it.
I really appreciate your dedication but most of us are just trying to get by. I mean the fact that we're engaging with you on this platform instead of others is worth something.
Personally I am old enough that I have never had social media. ICQ then AIM were the way people connected when I was young. Many of the people my age have Facebook accounts, but it's not like they're on there obsessing daily.
My wife deleted her Facebook a couple years ago and I was so proud of her.
Please be careful. Your heart is in the right place but if you keep cutting people out over a shitty choice of platform you might end up out of friends.
Thank you for your kind words, and I didn’t mean to come across as combative or anything, I was just voicing my thoughts.
As for losing friends, if my friends don’t believe in the same things as me then I really should find friends I have more in common with.
Full disclosure I’ve done some fucked up things in my life and my way of making amends is speaking of for the people less fortunate than I am and taking a stand for the things I believe, whether it makes a difference or not.
If I had a better way to universally keep in touch I would.
Okay, not entirely educated on female menstruation person here.
Does the period cycle change or is it consistent over time? Like is it about tracking a woman’s pattern and if there’s a change… that’s the flag?
It's about the cycle stopping and then starting again, suggesting that the person was pregnant until she wasn't again.
Exactly, and it’s not just about abortion. Well it is, but abortion isn’t the only cause. Miscarriages are common, and unfortunately these days miscarriages of fetuses and of justice go hand in hand.
Upvoted for semantics
Thank you, I’m proud of my turn of phrase and disappointed and enraged at my country
Here in Los Angeles there's been extra visitors from other states. Probably the y just want to go surfing, or visit Disneyland, I'm sure that's it.
To add what prune said, it can be some what inconsistent. Women aren’t robots.
My ex had periods that were frequently +- a week or so, and my current GF is regular enough to freak out over a couple days.
There’s also things that can cause skipped periods that have nothing to do with pregnancy- intensive physical training or stress.
Thanks for adding that. I was aware of those cases (also: the pill can make you stop having periods at all), hence why I wrote "suggested".
However, law enforcement can't be trusted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Especially, if it's illegal and persecution is especially politically motivated.
yup.
I can only imagine what someone like my ex would have to worry about in those places. The idea that something- for her- is totally normal would see her facing charges for things that never happened anyhow. It's patent stupidity.
This kid is smart, and whoever coached her... good job.
Surely, surely law enforcement can't investigate you for missing a period?
It's not uncommon to choose to skip periods to keep iron levels up, et cetera.
In the states where an abortion is illegal with jail time as a repercussuon?
I'd never want to risk it.
Reminder to use Drip to track menstruation as every other comparable app I have found features telemetry and shouldn't be trusted.
I'm so glad I'm old and dried up.
Hey it’s the sovcit whisperer!
Haha hello. I do exist all over Lemmy.
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Could have come up with a better name. This one is almost horror like.
Use AI to identify republicans based on their data, institute shadow bans and silent monetary fines wherever they go outside of their fascist states, and use the fines to finance reproductive health options for the women in their states. Watch the depends diapers fly.
Its funny, because you basically described the Silicon Valley plan to do fascism in San Fransisco
The idea of the Network State is one in which The Grays - a cabal of tech industry insiders - wage war against The Blues - California liberal democrats - by freezing them out of domestic infrastructure.
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Push out all the blues, reds should be welcomed. Gray sounds very enlightened centrist.
Biggest freedom of opinion supporter on Lemmy
🤷🏻♀️ If your opinion is that I should be forced to medically support a nonsentient bundle of cells against my will and most likely at the expense of my physical and mental health, you don't really deserve freedom of opinion ngl
Maybe that makes me a "wrong think must be punished" authoritarian but honestly idc, let's outlaw being a shit human
We can start by punishing those who want to murder their own unborn children because they want to be as horny as rabbits without accountability
Oh, your opinion is even more shit than I initially thought. You can fuck right off.
If your opinion of pregnancy is that it is a rightful punishment for humans doing sex you should never be allowed within a mile of a child, let alone to be a parent of one.
Children are not a consequence. Sex is not a sin. Purity culture is a blight upon the land that inevitably leads to forced child marriages and child beauty pageants.
You're probably one of those monsters who thinks that all the violence Sex Workers face is fair game because "dAe SeX bAd‽"
Like we get it bro, you think the female orgasm is made up.
Pregnancy is not a punishment. It's the consequence. Same as how blowing up is the consequence to lighting up a fag when hooked up to an oxygen tank
Comparing children to firey explosive death is not the compelling argument for your moral worth that you think it is.
So children should be ripped apart with a vacuum cleaner?
Eat shit and die 💜
"Women should be stockaded as brood mares" is not an opinion it is a fascist maxim that civilized society would rightly deem worthy of an involuntary psych hold.
Use a condom bloody hell
Not 100% effective even when used properly and the correct size is used.
N'or is any BC method short of inserting a valve in every man's testicles that are only opened to allow sperm to happen when they earn their reproducing privileges by showing sufficient "not a blithering moron"-ness
The opinion that women do not have authority over their own bodies should not be supported. Fascism is not freedom.
I agree! Women also shouldn't have authority over other people's bodies!
If you think an unresponsive cluster of cells is a "body" then I'll await you turning yourself in at the hague for crimes against humanity if you've ever jizzed even once in your life for the millions of people you have killed in cold blood.
Get rid of doctors?
Period tracking. It's not safe in the US anymore.
Oooooooh this went from weird conspiracy to actual legitimate concern quite quickly.
It is without question no joke.
This is horrific but being discussed in such a light manner.
out of the loop, why get rid of doctor's? whadda hell happened?
It's regarding the overturned Roe vs Wade supreme Court decision.
damn, I'm so sorry.
Good for that kid!
https://youtu.be/x2qRDMHbXaM#t=24s
Then why goto the doctor for a checkup?
This is likely in the context of abortion bans in some US states. Presumably they still trust the doctor to do a regular checkup for everything else.
And, the doctor may not have a choice. Even if they're asking for purely medical-history reasons, they may have to put the information into a system (according to their employer or insurance company or for their own records), and that system may be subject to information gathering from hostile parties.
She's not wrong, a doctor doesn't need specifics for a checkup.
That entirely depends on where you are going, what insurance networks they deal with, and what the appointment was scheduled for.
Going in for a sinus infection, yeah that's probably not going to be necessary. Going in for a women's wellness check up? They are probably going to have to input something depending on the forms the institution uses for electronic medical records.
Certain insurances will utilize specific metrics to determine reimbursement. If you don't document certain information they may use it as an excuse not to reimburse the provider.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion. A prosecutor can potentially use the timing of that previous period to suggest fetal age at the time of a future abortion may be greater than the law allows.
Doctors don't need that information. Insurance companies surely don't need that information.
Yes, I understand that. I practice pediatric medicine in the most conservative state in the nation.
Again, this is circumstantial. Menstruation cycles are still very important to certain types of medical care. It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
Most of the reasons why physicians ask these questions is purely out of concern for your health and for liability purposes. Certain medications can be dangerous to prescribe to a person who is unknowingly pregnant.
I wasn't validating the insurance companies reasoning, just informing why physicians and other medical providers may ask these questions.
Doctor patient confidentiality is not absolute, and even if it were, the associated records are not. They are subject to subpoena in certain circumstances.
It is unsafe to suggest that they can. Safety isn't on the menu here. You can only get it with a referendum. Or a guillotine.
You are misconstruing health and legal safety. There is already an alarming lack of women's reproductive care, and America already has the highest maternal mortality rate of any wealthy nation.
Your suggestion that you should fear talking about a provider out of concern for the slim possibility that you will be prosecuted for having an abortion is outright dangerous.
How many people have been jailed so far for this information? Now weigh that against the amount of just black women who die every year for lack of prenatal care. What you are spreading is not only dangerous, but reeks of privilege.
How's the health care in prison?
Indeed, it is. As is your suggestion that the possibility of prosecution is "slim". We have highly motivated people seriously promoting pregnancy registries. They believe such registries are necessary to prevent murder.
You're hand waving away even the possibility of civil or criminal penalties for seeking healthcare, and I'm the one who sounds privileged?
You'll have to start buying tampons in bulk, lest retail starts telling on you
Every time I’ve gone to the doctor in the US since several years before I actually had my first period (I was a late bloomer), I’ve been asked about the date of my last period. Since I moved to Germany (a country with a longer life expectancy than the US), I’ve only been asked if I could be pregnant before X-rays and prescriptions or when it’s been relevant to my visit (abdominal cramps, unexplained vomiting, etc.). I understand if you didn’t realize that it’s asked for absolutely everything or if you thought it was actually necessary, but it’s both constant and unnecessary.
Yeah it's like asking about your last bowel movement. Potentially important to your health, but probably not pertinent
It's like trying to buy alcohol from a legal market - the seller will absolutely rat you out to the cops to protect themselves and their business. Same thing, you can't trust them if you're potentially breaking the law. Sadly, this is going on for women simply being suspected of getting pregnant so the government can keep tabs on them. It's gross
Yeah, women should just avoid doctors and routine checkups altogether/S
What's the context for this? Did a doctor rat someone out or something?
Some doctors have provided sensitive information to authorities, and also there are politicians pushing for legislation that would make protected medical info accessible to LEO and other such parties.
Yuck.
Strong agree
Super fucked up
Don't American doctors have to report pregnancies now that abortion is illegal?
Not in every state, just majority Republican like Texas, but there are people pushing for it federally.
Off the top of my head, I remember an article from Reddit on privacy a bit ago where a nurse told authorities that a lady didn't want a pregnancy.
https://decreechronicles.com/
You know that “mom” voted for Trump in 2016
Why? While the post could maybe be read as a condemnation of the daughter, it could equally be read as condemning medical professionals and/or politicians legislating women's bodies.
I read it as a mom supporting her daughter and being exasperated with the system. I didn't even realize it could be read the other way.
It can be read either way, but I checked her post history and she's no Trump supporter.
And to me it's even simpler than that. It's a parent noticing the state of the country means kids aren't sharing what used to be standard answers to biological questions because there's no faith that the system won't stay out of their business.
Scary AF imho.
We live in a time that every human being should be practicing infosec and opsec, and that's just fucking depressing.
We don't know that at all.
I rather assumed that mom was the one who told her to keep her mouth shut,
Huh?
No period dates now, means no abortion/pregnancy tracking later
Oh. Oooooh. Why the fuck you have worse healthcare than my shithole? Why the fuck your healthcare is worse for own citizens, than mine for foreigners?
Where you from? Might need some healthcare later.
Russia... Not the best time to visit, but hopefully Bunker Rat will be sent to Hauge by the time you will need it.
Here's government's decree(as in by executive branch) about what happens if foreigners that don't have any insurance for example breaks bone. Here's translarion of paragraph 5:
You know it's Russia when a specific legal clause is inserted in the medical care laws defining being poisoned as a common form of injury.
"Look we have to do something with all this novochok we have left over from soviet days!"
But since Botulism is also form of poisoning, it is not something too uncommon. And if not treated, it will 60% likely to kill.
And you can get it by eating old canned food.
Not all poisonings occur because of assassination attempts. (in fact I imagine it to be a very tiny minority of poisoning cases) Someone can be poisoned by picking the wrong mushroom, thinking it to be a different edible one, or by eating the delicious looking tide pods or by drinking a cup of the methanol-rich alcoholic beverage your friend made (or by drinking too much alcohol in general).
Ahahahaha. Nice one.
It is list of injuries requiring emergency treatment, not common injuries.
Because it’s the only way ‘Murica can be exceptional.
(Exceptionally awful, if it wasn’t clear.)
Oh, I see the competition. Don't worry, another 20 years of Putin, and my shithole will be the most awfulest of all shithoels.
Really, there are so many similaritues Putin's propaganda like "exceptional path" and "spiritual staples", that it is scary.
I suppose that means doctors in some states are now allowed or even required to report pregnancies that don't end in child birth? (honest question, I'm not from the US)
Here are the states that arrest and punish the most pregnant women
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Not sure if it is in effect but there's at least a dozen state legislators who are making pushes for it by now without a doubt.
Especially in the wake of referendums spinning against republicans on this issue, conservatives have a nasty little habit of psychotically doubling down when they realize popular opinion is against them.
I don't think any of the laws have officially passed yet but yes it's widely expected to happen soon. This is specifically in reference to laws being considered that would track menstrual cycles to spot possible abortions.
I distrust doctors, but mostly because at least 70% of them are just prescription ChatGPT's
So I'm assuming you go to Bing for medical advice?
Epic
That's how you fucking die because the doctor didn't know enough of your medical history.
Doctor: "Are you allergic to anything?"
Person: "I have a few allergies but nothing you should worry about, please fill my prescriptions now".
Also I'm pretty sure a doctor knowing when you go on your period can be important when prescribing birth control.
If the state decides to punish people for having allergies and to violate medical confidentiality to force doctors to report these people - you wouldn't want to tell your doctor about your allergies either.
WOOOSH
not really. typically birth control is prescribed with instructions on when to start in relation to your period. they don't need to know the exact date.
well, you don't have to answer the doctor, and he/she doesn't have to prescribe or help you. bye, don't come back. you don't get to ask for help then stonewall, just don't come.
If you are capable of refusing service you have no right to ever call yourself a healthcare professional
I'm not a healthcare provider. but if you can't answer simple questions, maybe don't go see one?
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What the fuck is wrong with your head.
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let's go somewhere where I need help, but refuse to answer basic questions. that sounds logical. how much help do you expect to receive? 😂🤣🤣
Have you considered that it may be entirely irrelevant to why they need help?
Her denying that info makes it easier for women who are trying to avoid being persecuted for getting an abortion to do the same, keeping them safer. If your primary care physician asks as course of habit but your period was regular, its not important for them to have the specific date.
You're being down voted because you've made yourself seem both ignorant and callus.
so find another doctor. if i don't like what my doctor is telling me, i find another. you can downvote me all you want, but neither of us know every detail of what the actual issue is, we're basically working from a meme.
do you continue to do business with racist management/owners/employees?
do you continue to go to places that have treated you like shit?
i mean, she can deny answering the questions, and the doctor can deny her service. i don't see the issue here, both are private parties and well within their rights to do so.
They ask you about periods at every single visit for any reason. Have migraines? When was your last period?Twisted your ankle? When was your last period? Think there is a bug in your ear? When was your last period?
There is no avoiding this question as a period aged woman.
again, find another doctor or start responding harsher. that isn't the only doctor in town.