We can only get to 99.999998% or so (I might be off by a decimal) so I think it would just result in light bruising (though probably at the atomic level which tends to sting a bit more).
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
His foreign relations record includes a hell of a lot of ratfucking the third world, including being so paranoid about communism he ended up pushing quite a few nations into the Soviet sphere when the coups didn't work (Cuba, cough cough cough) and directly enabling some of history's greatest monsters when they did, but he is an American president so grade that on a curve I guess
Exactly. I like Ike, in comparison to other U.S. presidents. He had some good ideas, but we have a really shitty track record with the rest of the world, and he's no exception to that.
Yeah, if history has taught as nothing else, it's that the guy with the biggest stick usually wins. There are many criticisms of the U.S. military, but no one could accuse it of being weak. That kind of deterrence is invaluable.
The purpose of military is always dual: to deflect other country's military and to "protect national interests" (read: attack another country that now has to have military too, and may consider using it for an attack).
Wildly assuming you are American, you should have no issue understanding that defensive forces are not really always defensive.
I am from Europe, from country invaded by nazi Germany so I know well what means an oppressive use of army. But could you give an alternative to the army?
We have to push politicians to drive UN-scale policies on demilitarization - not this playful "lemme dismantle 10 rockets and call it a day" demilitarization, but a real effort - and expanding mutual defence-type alliance (could be NATO expansion if they're gonna get their shit together, or a new bigger alliance) to as many countries as humanly possible in order to reduce their need to rely on their own armies and drastically reduce armed manpower globally.
Switzerland-like militias can help in the transitional period.
Which is why I suggested transition into a worldwide military alliance first. One that would cover Ukraine, and even Russia at the end of the conflict if it would like to join.
Any sort of aggression, from members or non-members, should be met with united forces. With such circumstances, you really won't need that much, even if your plan is to keep forces like US or China at bay, not to mention Russia.
Militias should be there not as a force that can solely defeat an army, but as a stopping force for the initiation of the conflict, while logistics is busy moving troops. And yes - Switzerland is actually equipped to deal with Russian tanks (see demolition of roadways) and rockets (see a vast network of bunkers).
Idk, I'm not sure I could get much use out of a particular accelerator even if I got it running. An aircraft carrier though might be joyride-able, and that I can understand. Might still be moot since both need a team, but if I get to have either one I'd have to at least think on it.
for context 22 billion is a few billions less than what elon musk overpaid for twitter. i don't think a bigger collider will do anything but I'd like for humanity to have this rather than whatever the fuck the rich are doing now.
if i remember correctly twitter was evaluated as 20 billion before musk bought it, so he overpaid by 24 billion dollars which is a couple billion dollars more than the price tag quoted here.
For your money you can have "A social media platform that's on fire or the secrets of the universe and money for another project. What do you choose?"
"The dumpster fire social media platform"
Cern has produced quite some interesting systems for software and data management. I am sure the added value of the work is beyond just understanding particles.
This would have created a strong science hub and community in Texas, a real reason for the state to be proud of itself, looking towards the future like it did in the 1960s, and that was due to the Democrats with LBJ.
Now instead, they got assault rifle-totin', shit-kicking knuckle-draggers for life, as the whole place builds up inertia sinking into a festering swamp of its' own ignorance.
There would have been t-shirts
EVERYTHING'S BIGGER IN TEXAS
INCLUDING SUPERCOLLIDERS
Would we have never heard the end of republicans bitching and whining about the cost and "our taxpayer dollars" and all that idiocy?
Who knows, considering Texan lawmakers carry an outsized weight in the republican party, and this project meant thousands upon thousands of skilled, high-paying jobs, including creating large new communities populated by scientists from all over the world.
Then after beating CERN to the punch to first detect the Higgs Boson, they would have draped themselves in the flag while chanting USA, USA, USA...
But ignorance and myopia are the horses pulling the republican cart.
well i mean to be fair, it was also on a really big boon of massive military spending, and the debt was a significant problem, plus this was like a fucking massive collider for the time, and probably even now.
The sheer cost alone of it i think was like 20 billion dollars near the tail end of development, not to mention they had basically redesigned the entire fucking thing by that point since they had dropped an entire team. It was a fucking mess.
yeah unfortunately the public and government just weren't very perceptive to a massive scientific project which would almost certainly many times overrun the budget outlined for it. Socioeconomics are hard...
If scientists had their way they'd have built the big one first. Or at least something reasonably larger than what they have.. it's politics that is capitalism and war that is the addiction preventing us from having nice things
I think the experience of building the previous smaller ones helped though. I think if you just go for the large one, it will probably fail or overrun the budget and we'll have nothing to show for the money spent.
Is not only about physics research. The complexity of those projects fund hundreds of sectors and push forward new technologies who will have many commercial use.
...Also they've confirmed the existence of this little thing called Higgs Boson which field define pretty much reality, soo... not exactly wasted time.
Blame your govern, not the science. Science give you medicine, electricity, internet, and all the device you use daily. Your govern put unfair taxes on everything and allow the corporation to exploit your work.
For example, did you know that the super-small processor that allow us to have a smartphone so small to be pocket-size is only possible thanks to knowledge we have of quantum physic?
Don't worry! Though black holes may sound scary, microscopic black holes, the type that could hypothetically be produced by high-energy particle collisions such as this, would pretty much instantaneously (in approximately 10-27 seconds) evaporate due to the emission of Hawking radiation, before they could "suck up" anything. Cosmic rays of far higher intensities than what we could produce routinely collide with atoms in Earth's atmosphere, so microscopic black holes could be happening daily in our atmosphere, we just never see them because they're far too small and evaporate instantly.
Hey you seem pretty knowledgeable so I'm gonna just ask - if these types of events happen regularly in earth's atmosphere, why build particle colliders at all? Is it just to have control over when they're triggered and to be able to observe the results? If so, wouldn't it help to just launch more satellites that can observe when these things happen in the atmosphere? Sorry for the dumb questions, I'm very much a layman.
Yup! It's so they can view what happens when these particles collide as the collisions happen, using specialized detectors. The ATLAS detector at CERN weighs 7,000 tons and is huge.
These reactions in the atmosphere happen very fast and are a bit chaotic. When a primary cosmic ray hits an atom in our atmosphere, it then sets off a chain reaction similar to billiard balls, resulting in "air showers", which are cascades of subatomic particles, such as hadrons, photons, muons, electrons, as well as ionized nuclei. The colliders allow physicists to view these kinds of reactions under controlled conditions right as the reactions happen, and can adjust things such as the energies. There's an array of detectors in Argentina which can detect the particles released by an air shower
Well no danger of that. We certainly cannot do it on terrestrial scales. No way, no how. Not even with fusion and a collider ring wrapped around the equator. It still requires vastly higher energies.
Even if we could make a kugelblitz black hole right here, it would instantly fall out of reach through the Earth while barely interacting at all with any other particles. On the Planck scale, particles are mostly empty space. We wouldn't even get to study it.
The best way to build one is to surround a star with millions of orbital mirrors, then focus all the light onto a single point in space, with an accuracy of nanometers, if not picometers. Focusing enough energy on a single point will cause a tiny black hole to form. It's probably impossible to do by accident.
There are plenty of natural particles colliders, such as black holes or very dense stars, that are way more powerful than our engineered particle colliders, which (observationally) don't create black holes around them
Similar reactions produced by particle accelerators are constantly happening all around us, and isn't just limited to extreme conditions like around black holes. This is just the same thing but at a much smaller and more controlled scale, and last I checked the sun hasn't produced any world ending black holes despite the far more extreme reactions constantly happening within it. A man even survived a high energy proton beam from one of those accelerators passing through his brain and was able to continue his career in quantum physics, so at that point I doubt they're capable of anything world ending.
There's 1 in a trillion trillion chance! So we should be glad we're not all beautiful beach body people married to the most wonderful and irresistibly sexy megalonymphomaniac people that just want to hump us every single second of the rest of our lives in all possible ways, all of us 8 billion people together. Because if that ever happened, it could only mean one thing, the end of the world as we know it would be coming in the form of a tiny black hole.
That's only in the movies. In reality they just completely evaporate. Usually they just evaporate. They take up a lot of volume but aren't terribly filling.
I feel like this should be required watching for anyone who wants to better understand colliders and the politics around them. BobbyBroccoli made this series on the development of some of them.
Also that West Wing episode where a physicist is trying to get funding for our Collider and the staffer is like "what does it do? What practical applications does it have?" and the physicist says none. It's practical application is discovery. That we discovered penicillin on accident not when we were researching practical applications of injections.
There's this (true) anecdote that precision measurements at CERN/LHC need to take into account the schedule of high-speed trains in the area because they cause tiny, yet measurable disturbances in the power grid.
You are asking something different, but I think it's interesting to mention that the particles that go into the LHC don't start there. The LHC gets them from the SPS, which gets them from the PS and this keeps going for a few more steps.
I mean like he's climaxing extremely hard in the top picture. Where's the professionalism? I understand he occupies a rather senior role in the organisation, why is he ejaculating in his underwear with rage?
Colliders work best at specific speeds, like gears on a car. The big collider is fed by a smaller one. That one is likely fed by an even smaller one. Eventually, you get small enough that a simple linear accelerator can get the gas up to speed.
Oh, and likely a scientist/engineer grinning manically as they "push the trigger" on the largest rail gun in existence.
First, you try to defend your country. Then, you want to have some advantage for a safety margin. Then, bigger advantage "just in case". This military play is what is really addictive.
Daily reminder that the World Wide Web was invented at CERN, so somewhere around the LHC highlighted in the picture. Who knows what the next big random innovation will be.
Not sure if this is just playing with the fact that a photon could be considered its own antiparticle in quantum field theory or if I missed the joke. Please, enlighten me.
Maybe we could convince the military that they are rail guns. Yeah, it's rail gun research, and it will finally result in the defeat of those...other guys.
Of course, it will never work because they only trust a few companies like Lockheed to do their dirty stuff.
I dont remember ever reading they were trying to find dark matter with particle colliders. Read New Scientist for years too. They have deep mountain detectors for dark matter that are nothing like particle accelerators. Memes are great and funny and all, but not always based upon reality. And why shouldnt science be used to figure out how things are constructed, even the fundamentals of the universe..?
The thing is that the general public never sees the line between toy lab experiment to factory production line. To be fair that path is nebulous and doesn't follow a schedule, so it is hard to sell. On the topic of selling this is often funded by the government too, so people want to jump in and say "free market.... " when corporations don't show up until the last mile.
Put that 20 billions first into fusion research. Like yesterday. How on earth would we power and cool that 100 km of superconductors otherwise? Unless the 100 km FCC is required by the fusion research, then we have a pickle.
Absolutely horrendous. I stopped watching her after that. I don't care if it was good intentioned or not, she obviously should have expanded her understanding of the topic before presenting herself as an expert on it, and that makes me wonder how many other topics she covers in this way.
I didn't see that one on her view of trans people, but her recent one on nuclear power was nearly biased and selective enough to be called "disinformation".
Honestly the intro of it was enough for me to click out of it initially. She says
On the one side you have people claiming that it's a socially contagious fad among the brainwashed woke who want to mutilate your innocent children. On the other side there are those saying that it's saving the lives of minorities who've been forced to stay in the closet for too long. And then there are normal people, like you and I, who think both sides are crazy and could someone please summarise the facts in simple words, which is what I'm here for.
As a cis-man, I detest the notion that wanting trans people to have access to healthcare and equal human rights to the rest of us is in any way "crazy."
She further goes on to cite a disputed article in an open-access journal regarding rapid-onset gender dysphoria from a known biased source as though it carries actual weight.
The article in question basically claims that rapid-onset gender dysphoria is an actual phenomenon because the author polled parents of children on a transphobic forum, about whether or not the child "becoming trans" was a sudden event. There are multiple problems with this
The parents are the source of supposed truth
The parents likely have an inherent bias (being that they are on a transphobic forum)
It is possible - and in my opinion - plausible that the parents experience it as having a "rapid onset" because the children spent a lot of time hiding this aspect of themselves from the parents because the parents express LGBT+ phobic views. I concealed many parts of my personality from my abusive mother, and I know several trans people who didn't come out to their parents until such a time they felt it safe to do so.
From the parents perspective their kid moved out (e.g. to uni) and spontaneously changed gender from one day to the next, but at that stage their friends had been referring to them by their chosen names and pronouns for years.
This is what I took away from it as well. The fact that she so readily quoted really biased and disputed articles and presented them as though they carried as much weight as the actual science sat really wrong with me. She clearly didn't spend very long looking into the articles she presented.
It makes me think of LLMs, really. She talks with authority about a lot of subjects, but ultimately she's a physicist. Sure, she's scientifically literate and that can be used to make sense of articles and studies in other disciplines, at least to an extent. However, it doesn't make her an authority in any of those disciplines. Then there's the time constraint to keep in mind as well; she might be able to analyse the literature and give a sensible take on the matter, but not when her schedule involves making one ~5 minute video on any given topic per day.
The titles on some of her videos manage to be too fishy for my taste, they appear a lot on my feed due to watching a lot of videos from channels like PBS Spacetime and The History Of The Universe, stuff like that.
You can tell that she knows her stuff, but clickbait titles somewhat like, I paraphrase here: "A year ago I lost my faith in science, here's why", raise my suspicions and I move on without clicking. Right on the blurry edge between science and something else beyond that line, something that's not quite legit and not good for you.
Same for me. I had watched one video of hers because I watch those same channels and afterwards i looked her up and saw the controversial shit. The clickbait doesn’t help her image either. Hard pass for me.
This is the conversation I needed to finally block (or "not recommend", or whatever YouTube calls it) her videos on my feed.
Astrum also sometimes gives me an uneasy feeling, but so far the content appears to be solid, although I don't watch all his videos.
Hey, let me recommend one of the best channels out there in the vast sea of science/history YouTube content, the name is ParallaxNick.
He's been doing incredibly well-research videos on the history of astronomy, recently he's been doing a series that went into detail on Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler and Galileo, I suspect (fingers crossed tight) he's gonna follow with Newton, then Huygens, Halley and the Herschels.
Ok, that I didn't know. Off to find some references.
(I have fairly strong opinions about people like that. Hell, I refuse to watch any Tom Cruise movies because of his association with scientology, just as an example.)
Other than the fact that it/some of it was probably detected in 2023 and all the models do mostly work. Plus the LHC proved the existence of the Higgs Boson.
Neutrinos are an unknown science that we still know so very little about. There are hypotheses that say neutrinos could be the missing dark matter, but they are fringe. Once we have a reliable way of detecting them it would unlock all sorts of secrets of the very early universe - think microwave background radiation except with neutrinos.
It's not my job to educate you on what could be a brief Google search. Stop being such a cynic. The gravitational lens distortion of distant galaxies is basically impossible without dark matter. Not to parrot the mantra of conspiracy theorists and cultists, but do your own research.
As much as I love science, and I’d much rather see billions spent on a collider than war, I gotta admit this is funny as hell.
We have a perfectly good collider at home.
Collider at home
Should have had. That was sad when we gave that up in favor of military spending
However, it also wouldn’t have been as big
I think it was more due to the ISS, Reagan only wanted one international science project
Meanwhile, Star Wars.
Our collider is now two baseball pitchers aimed at each other.
LMAO
As a former Texan, yes that's a city name. And you'll probably pronounce it correctly.
Wax-a-hatch-y?
Wax a haji
I'd rather have a 100km particle collider than an aircraft carrier.
What if we build it on a 100km aircraft carrier? Think of the possibilities! heh
What if we put an aircraft carrier into a particular accelerator and spin it up to the speed of light?
The sailors would probably get dizzy.
We can only get to 99.999998% or so (I might be off by a decimal) so I think it would just result in light bruising (though probably at the atomic level which tends to sting a bit more).
https://youtu.be/atG3H3rTTsI
Always a relevant Onion
It better have a particle collider on it
that would just be the Halo from Halo
That'd be kinda cool. Ace Combat ass aircraft carrier
Throw in Jurassic Park and some jet engines and we've got Ark
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
Last good Republican change my mind
His foreign relations record includes a hell of a lot of ratfucking the third world, including being so paranoid about communism he ended up pushing quite a few nations into the Soviet sphere when the coups didn't work (Cuba, cough cough cough) and directly enabling some of history's greatest monsters when they did, but he is an American president so grade that on a curve I guess
Yep, it went downhill from there, just so ya know
Exactly. I like Ike, in comparison to other U.S. presidents. He had some good ideas, but we have a really shitty track record with the rest of the world, and he's no exception to that.
In a ideal word, sure, I'd too. But we live among fucking beasts.
Yeah, if history has taught as nothing else, it's that the guy with the biggest stick usually wins. There are many criticisms of the U.S. military, but no one could accuse it of being weak. That kind of deterrence is invaluable.
If only they wouldn't use that force to invade half the planet...
The peace of Americans is paid for by the terror of dozens of nations. It ain't cool.
I can't say I disagree. There is much to criticise.
My fear is, this approach is unsustainable in general, and cannot be effectively applied for global security.
It's not just US military being poorly led.
You are fucking beasts
The purpose of military is always dual: to deflect other country's military and to "protect national interests" (read: attack another country that now has to have military too, and may consider using it for an attack).
Wildly assuming you are American, you should have no issue understanding that defensive forces are not really always defensive.
I am from Europe, from country invaded by nazi Germany so I know well what means an oppressive use of army. But could you give an alternative to the army?
Uhm...no army?
We have to push politicians to drive UN-scale policies on demilitarization - not this playful "lemme dismantle 10 rockets and call it a day" demilitarization, but a real effort - and expanding mutual defence-type alliance (could be NATO expansion if they're gonna get their shit together, or a new bigger alliance) to as many countries as humanly possible in order to reduce their need to rely on their own armies and drastically reduce armed manpower globally.
Switzerland-like militias can help in the transitional period.
I wonder how Switzerland militia would deal with Russian tanks and rockets.
After the Russian invasion do you really believe than all countries in the world will become peaceful and any of them will ever try to invade another?
Which is why I suggested transition into a worldwide military alliance first. One that would cover Ukraine, and even Russia at the end of the conflict if it would like to join.
Any sort of aggression, from members or non-members, should be met with united forces. With such circumstances, you really won't need that much, even if your plan is to keep forces like US or China at bay, not to mention Russia.
Militias should be there not as a force that can solely defeat an army, but as a stopping force for the initiation of the conflict, while logistics is busy moving troops. And yes - Switzerland is actually equipped to deal with Russian tanks (see demolition of roadways) and rockets (see a vast network of bunkers).
Idk, I'm not sure I could get much use out of a particular accelerator even if I got it running. An aircraft carrier though might be joyride-able, and that I can understand. Might still be moot since both need a team, but if I get to have either one I'd have to at least think on it.
for context 22 billion is a few billions less than what elon musk overpaid for twitter. i don't think a bigger collider will do anything but I'd like for humanity to have this rather than whatever the fuck the rich are doing now.
22 billion is half of what Elon paid for Twitter. He paid 44 billion.
So this seems like a pretty good bargain for unlocking the secrets of the universe.
if i remember correctly twitter was evaluated as 20 billion before musk bought it, so he overpaid by 24 billion dollars which is a couple billion dollars more than the price tag quoted here.
To be fair I think he only paid $14 billion. The rest came from other investors like Saudia Arabia
For your money you can have "A social media platform that's on fire or the secrets of the universe and money for another project. What do you choose?" "The dumpster fire social media platform"
Yeah.... And at least this will generate jobs... And not reduce them like it did on Xitter.
Cern has produced quite some interesting systems for software and data management. I am sure the added value of the work is beyond just understanding particles.
LHC and previous colliders did a lot of science. You don't need to think, there are facts.
You should think again about what they actually can do.
https://cerncourier.com/a/lhc-upgrade-brings-benefits-beyond-physics/
we almost built a really fucking big collider in the US somewhere in the middle of fuck off land texas.
It died.
Yep, that was when the US jumped the shark. It was the exact moment, Oct 20, 1993, we went "fuck science, we're only doing short term profits now."
This would have created a strong science hub and community in Texas, a real reason for the state to be proud of itself, looking towards the future like it did in the 1960s, and that was due to the Democrats with LBJ.
Now instead, they got assault rifle-totin', shit-kicking knuckle-draggers for life, as the whole place builds up inertia sinking into a festering swamp of its' own ignorance.
yeah, would be interesting to see the alternate universe where it was finished and built..
There would have been t-shirts
EVERYTHING'S BIGGER IN TEXAS
INCLUDING SUPERCOLLIDERS
Would we have never heard the end of republicans bitching and whining about the cost and "our taxpayer dollars" and all that idiocy?
Who knows, considering Texan lawmakers carry an outsized weight in the republican party, and this project meant thousands upon thousands of skilled, high-paying jobs, including creating large new communities populated by scientists from all over the world.
Then after beating CERN to the punch to first detect the Higgs Boson, they would have draped themselves in the flag while chanting USA, USA, USA...
But ignorance and myopia are the horses pulling the republican cart.
gotta love politics, only the most interesting of all the boring fields put together!
We fucked, we need 60s back (with all the mindset).
As one might guess, the republicans canceled it
By accident, which is just straight-up embarrassing. They voted the wrong way by accident and then never fixed it.
Really?!
https://youtu.be/40YIIaF1qiw
Sometime after the 30 minute mark NDT bitches about it.
Haven’t heard of that but i definitely saw debate with R congressman saying basically “why should US pay for it let’s let Europe pay for it”
Na. It was a joint effort on both sides of the issue.
"An unusual coalition, cutting across party and ideological lines, joined the revolt. A total of 166 Democrats, 115 Republicans and one independent voted to stop work on the collider, while 98 Democrats and 61 Republicans voted for the project."
well i mean to be fair, it was also on a really big boon of massive military spending, and the debt was a significant problem, plus this was like a fucking massive collider for the time, and probably even now.
The sheer cost alone of it i think was like 20 billion dollars near the tail end of development, not to mention they had basically redesigned the entire fucking thing by that point since they had dropped an entire team. It was a fucking mess.
Right! Think of those quarters' balance sheets!
Scientific progress? Peoples bonuses were on the line
Edit: it's good that our government protected America and left innovation to Europe
yeah unfortunately the public and government just weren't very perceptive to a massive scientific project which would almost certainly many times overrun the budget outlined for it. Socioeconomics are hard...
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
It only took a couple decades for that whole greedy evil movement to dictate such big decisions.
The Apollo 14 moon landing?
Stairway to Heaven?
There was an auto-body shop in that town all ready to go...Super Collider Collison Repair
Rip small aoto-body business sign.
I bet the US public would vote to fund it if we actually called it Fucking Big Collider and it was the largest in the world.
oh for sure.
That'd be the easiest vote of my life tbh
you're telling me i can shitpost with 20 billion dollars? Don't mind if i yes!
Yes absolutely.
If scientists had their way they'd have built the big one first. Or at least something reasonably larger than what they have.. it's politics that is capitalism and war that is the addiction preventing us from having nice things
I think the experience of building the previous smaller ones helped though. I think if you just go for the large one, it will probably fail or overrun the budget and we'll have nothing to show for the money spent.
Ah you mean unlike the many other wisely spent tax money and private investments which turned out to be something to show for? /s
Is not only about physics research. The complexity of those projects fund hundreds of sectors and push forward new technologies who will have many commercial use.
...Also they've confirmed the existence of this little thing called Higgs Boson which field define pretty much reality, soo... not exactly wasted time.
Awesome. And with reality defined my daily existance and cost of living is. ... Exactly the same and killing me. 🙃
Blame your govern, not the science. Science give you medicine, electricity, internet, and all the device you use daily. Your govern put unfair taxes on everything and allow the corporation to exploit your work.
And bigger understanding the gifts, or gravitons helps me how?
Tbh I think its cool as fuck. But playing the role of my socialist SO. Who will have this response when I show her this meme.
Experiment > Understand > Practical use
For example, did you know that the super-small processor that allow us to have a smartphone so small to be pocket-size is only possible thanks to knowledge we have of quantum physic?
https://culturico.com/2020/11/26/your-smartphone-knows-physics-the-science-inside-mobile-devices/
Or how physics discoveries can be fundamental for medicine?
https://www.news-medical.net/health/The-Role-of-Physics-in-Medicine.aspx
Physic is the "Manual of Construction" of this Universe, more pages we find, more the things we can do.
Hopefully they can finally manufacture black holes. Because that would be totally safe for everyone 😉.
Don't worry! Though black holes may sound scary, microscopic black holes, the type that could hypothetically be produced by high-energy particle collisions such as this, would pretty much instantaneously (in approximately 10-27 seconds) evaporate due to the emission of Hawking radiation, before they could "suck up" anything. Cosmic rays of far higher intensities than what we could produce routinely collide with atoms in Earth's atmosphere, so microscopic black holes could be happening daily in our atmosphere, we just never see them because they're far too small and evaporate instantly.
Hey you seem pretty knowledgeable so I'm gonna just ask - if these types of events happen regularly in earth's atmosphere, why build particle colliders at all? Is it just to have control over when they're triggered and to be able to observe the results? If so, wouldn't it help to just launch more satellites that can observe when these things happen in the atmosphere? Sorry for the dumb questions, I'm very much a layman.
Yup! It's so they can view what happens when these particles collide as the collisions happen, using specialized detectors. The ATLAS detector at CERN weighs 7,000 tons and is huge.
These reactions in the atmosphere happen very fast and are a bit chaotic. When a primary cosmic ray hits an atom in our atmosphere, it then sets off a chain reaction similar to billiard balls, resulting in "air showers", which are cascades of subatomic particles, such as hadrons, photons, muons, electrons, as well as ionized nuclei. The colliders allow physicists to view these kinds of reactions under controlled conditions right as the reactions happen, and can adjust things such as the energies. There's an array of detectors in Argentina which can detect the particles released by an air shower
Maybe that's what is happening to the ozone layer.
Well no danger of that. We certainly cannot do it on terrestrial scales. No way, no how. Not even with fusion and a collider ring wrapped around the equator. It still requires vastly higher energies.
Even if we could make a kugelblitz black hole right here, it would instantly fall out of reach through the Earth while barely interacting at all with any other particles. On the Planck scale, particles are mostly empty space. We wouldn't even get to study it.
The best way to build one is to surround a star with millions of orbital mirrors, then focus all the light onto a single point in space, with an accuracy of nanometers, if not picometers. Focusing enough energy on a single point will cause a tiny black hole to form. It's probably impossible to do by accident.
I'll show you my kugelblitz black hole.
There are plenty of natural particles colliders, such as black holes or very dense stars, that are way more powerful than our engineered particle colliders, which (observationally) don't create black holes around them
Similar reactions produced by particle accelerators are constantly happening all around us, and isn't just limited to extreme conditions like around black holes. This is just the same thing but at a much smaller and more controlled scale, and last I checked the sun hasn't produced any world ending black holes despite the far more extreme reactions constantly happening within it. A man even survived a high energy proton beam from one of those accelerators passing through his brain and was able to continue his career in quantum physics, so at that point I doubt they're capable of anything world ending.
They posit that yes, black holes could be formed, but they’re so small they evaporate pretty much instantly. They don’t have the mass to survive.
There's 1 in a trillion trillion chance! So we should be glad we're not all beautiful beach body people married to the most wonderful and irresistibly sexy megalonymphomaniac people that just want to hump us every single second of the rest of our lives in all possible ways, all of us 8 billion people together. Because if that ever happened, it could only mean one thing, the end of the world as we know it would be coming in the form of a tiny black hole.
I'm waiting on the equatorial supercollider myself. 40,075km let's go!
Too small, we need to go bigger.
First the equator, then orbital, then solar, then system, then GALAXY CLASS BITCHES
Ringworld collider, you say?
Why bother digging. We just need a loop of magnetic lenses in deep space.
Just after the transcontinental maglev train
Just make one big enough that you can use billionaires instead of atomic particles
Do billionaires split apart into multiple millionaires, and anti-tax neutrinos?
There's only one way to find out.
That's only in the movies. In reality they just completely evaporate. Usually they just evaporate. They take up a lot of volume but aren't terribly filling.
/s
You just aren't cooking yours right
No its like when sonic dies and all his rings spilled out
I may be an anti billionaire
Were you created when a billionaire formed in a high energy event?
I really like where this is going, keep talking
or invent a board with a nail in it for that iono
I feel like this should be required watching for anyone who wants to better understand colliders and the politics around them. BobbyBroccoli made this series on the development of some of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVzGpznw1U
I don't want to learn science from someone named BobbyBroccoli.
How about Robby Ravioli instead?
Bill Nye is literally just called the science guy and we got invaluable information from him.
Well maybe I'll call up Broccoli Man if I need info on Broccoli
Bold claim from a monkey puppet, jk. I’ve watched his channel it’s really good. I found the videos on the collider to be really interesting.
How convenient; you won't be learning science! You'll be learning history!
Yay!
Of course it was fucking Reagan.
Also that West Wing episode where a physicist is trying to get funding for our Collider and the staffer is like "what does it do? What practical applications does it have?" and the physicist says none. It's practical application is discovery. That we discovered penicillin on accident not when we were researching practical applications of injections.
You know what WOULD solve physics?
TRAINS
Yes, trains!
Maybe in a very, very large circular track. A huge circle.
And fast. Super fast. Make them faster by making them lighter. Smaller. Super tiny. So light and fast.
A teeny, tiny, light train going super duper fast in a very large circle.
Sure hope it doesn't smack into anything while going top speed. Or maybe it does, so long as we measure it.
Yessss run the trains through the collider
Who is brave enough to ride the LCC centrifuge?! It’s EXTREEEEEEEeeeeee______ 💥
I like trains.
There's this (true) anecdote that precision measurements at CERN/LHC need to take into account the schedule of high-speed trains in the area because they cause tiny, yet measurable disturbances in the power grid.
We already have plenty of trains in Switzerland, they're just expensive to ride
And I think it's beautiful.
I just think it's neat
420km collider, when?
2069
4096?
2^12?
What would happen if we put a small collider inside of a bigger collider and spun it around while it spun around?
"Yo dawg, I heard you like colliders, so we built a collider into your collider so it can collide while it collides...."
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD QUESTION 22 BILLION DOLLARS WOULD ANSWER.
You are asking something different, but I think it's interesting to mention that the particles that go into the LHC don't start there. The LHC gets them from the SPS, which gets them from the PS and this keeps going for a few more steps.
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We recreate an atom?
You just know the letters of the FCC originally stood for Fucking Collosal Collider.
And from there, we're one step closer to BFG
No, it was the Large Hardon Collider, and this is the Fat Cock Collider.
Contractor, scratching head:
Hey boss, are you sure they got the dimensions right in this drawing of their new proton smasher?
Next to the scale it just says "GIRTHY".
Why does he look like that.
genetics
I mean like he's climaxing extremely hard in the top picture. Where's the professionalism? I understand he occupies a rather senior role in the organisation, why is he ejaculating in his underwear with rage?
Although he is an odd looking chap, I agree.
This is starting to turn into some Full Metal Alchemist shit. If you know, you know.
They say Sloth has already started on the largest tunnel in secret.
.....what a drag....
I'll be concerned when it's the same size as the eclipse's shadow
NGL though, how great would it be if we could get a neutrino detector big enough to image the moon with the sun as a neutrino source?
Well it was about that time i realized this user was a homunculus in a flask. Get of here homunculus, you ain't taking my soul.
Naa, more like steins gate.
How else will we transmogrify enough souls to create a philosopher stone --- I mean do science stuff?
What if they added smaller loops along the main loop, like a roller coaster with loopdy-loops? 🤔
There will be.
Colliders work best at specific speeds, like gears on a car. The big collider is fed by a smaller one. That one is likely fed by an even smaller one. Eventually, you get small enough that a simple linear accelerator can get the gas up to speed.
Oh, and likely a scientist/engineer grinning manically as they "push the trigger" on the largest rail gun in existence.
Even the ones not pushing the trigger on the biggest rail gun in existence do this.
The doctors do too. It's... Concerning if you don't know why they get so excited.
The difference between science, and blowing shit up, is in the recording.
You find a whee! little boson.
Ahh yes, the infamous Dadjoke particle
Now that you've said this I want to know if other shapes without corners are possible
But also why do they need a bigger collider
The squircle :)
22 billion is just a drop in the bucket to the Committee of 300 on their path to world domination.
First, you try to defend your country. Then, you want to have some advantage for a safety margin. Then, bigger advantage "just in case". This military play is what is really addictive.
Just wait, if civilization and/or human life still exists in a thousand years or so, they'll build one into an orbital ring.
Eh who am I kidding, well be lucky to survive the 21st century.
Dual purpose Dyson Ring?
Unless asteroid ... we will survive, how is another matter.
Starting to be suspicious like an alchemy circle around multiple cities...
Just waiting for the right solar eclipse.
Nah, it's just the sloppy creation of The One Ring, without elven craftmanship to keep things down to wearable size.
That, or they're building a stone giant's cock ring.
Daily reminder that the World Wide Web was invented at CERN, so somewhere around the LHC highlighted in the picture. Who knows what the next big random innovation will be.
Come on anti-photons!
Not sure if this is just playing with the fact that a photon could be considered its own antiparticle in quantum field theory or if I missed the joke. Please, enlighten me.
Maybe we could convince the military that they are rail guns. Yeah, it's rail gun research, and it will finally result in the defeat of those...other guys.
Of course, it will never work because they only trust a few companies like Lockheed to do their dirty stuff.
I mean, if you're making a railgun, maybe superconducting magnets would be useful tech to have 🤔
I dont remember ever reading they were trying to find dark matter with particle colliders. Read New Scientist for years too. They have deep mountain detectors for dark matter that are nothing like particle accelerators. Memes are great and funny and all, but not always based upon reality. And why shouldnt science be used to figure out how things are constructed, even the fundamentals of the universe..?
The thing is that the general public never sees the line between toy lab experiment to factory production line. To be fair that path is nebulous and doesn't follow a schedule, so it is hard to sell. On the topic of selling this is often funded by the government too, so people want to jump in and say "free market.... " when corporations don't show up until the last mile.
Yes I've pointed this out about the internet for years.
Probably have a ton of tunnel builders unemployed over there
Not for long!
Interferometers are moving to space launches, maybe colliders need to do the same if they keep growing bigger
Would be a fucking nightmare to keep that in any kind of stable orbit.
Just build it as a big ring all the way around the earth
Let's show Saturn who can do rings better
Just tie some string to it...
They should make it square because squares are cool
One square to rule them all, one square to find them,
one square had roast beef, and one square stayed at home.
Imagine the g-forces that kind of turn would create.....
Lol two 90s and they'll turn everything right around
The microwave at the Future Gadgets Lab is about to experience one hell of an upgrade.
Gotta do it before trisolarians come for us.
Those goddam sophons keeps jacking up our shit
The way it's typed out makes it sound like a Vince Russo quote lol
Put that 20 billions first into fusion research. Like yesterday. How on earth would we power and cool that 100 km of superconductors otherwise? Unless the 100 km FCC is required by the fusion research, then we have a pickle.
The Wheel of Osheim stops for no one
Third and fourth-gen nuclear would be helpful.
It's true tho. We need them bigger bois!
Perhaps with a big collider we'll finally be able to get confirmation on the cause of sinking soufflés - the bigon!
We'll make sophons one of these days.
I'd settle for the astroid belt circumference collider from the second or third book
If we get space elevators then that may be cheaper.
Shit Sabine Hossenfelder would say. (She funny tho..)
Edit: I had no idea about her questionable actions so that is news to me.
She also did an interview with a holocaust denier so…
Oh ew, really? I'm not overly surprised to be honest, her video on trans people was awful.
Absolutely horrendous. I stopped watching her after that. I don't care if it was good intentioned or not, she obviously should have expanded her understanding of the topic before presenting herself as an expert on it, and that makes me wonder how many other topics she covers in this way.
I didn't see that one on her view of trans people, but her recent one on nuclear power was nearly biased and selective enough to be called "disinformation".
Honestly the intro of it was enough for me to click out of it initially. She says
As a cis-man, I detest the notion that wanting trans people to have access to healthcare and equal human rights to the rest of us is in any way "crazy."
She further goes on to cite a disputed article in an open-access journal regarding rapid-onset gender dysphoria from a known biased source as though it carries actual weight.
The article in question basically claims that rapid-onset gender dysphoria is an actual phenomenon because the author polled parents of children on a transphobic forum, about whether or not the child "becoming trans" was a sudden event. There are multiple problems with this
It is possible - and in my opinion - plausible that the parents experience it as having a "rapid onset" because the children spent a lot of time hiding this aspect of themselves from the parents because the parents express LGBT+ phobic views. I concealed many parts of my personality from my abusive mother, and I know several trans people who didn't come out to their parents until such a time they felt it safe to do so.
From the parents perspective their kid moved out (e.g. to uni) and spontaneously changed gender from one day to the next, but at that stage their friends had been referring to them by their chosen names and pronouns for years.
This is what I took away from it as well. The fact that she so readily quoted really biased and disputed articles and presented them as though they carried as much weight as the actual science sat really wrong with me. She clearly didn't spend very long looking into the articles she presented.
It makes me think of LLMs, really. She talks with authority about a lot of subjects, but ultimately she's a physicist. Sure, she's scientifically literate and that can be used to make sense of articles and studies in other disciplines, at least to an extent. However, it doesn't make her an authority in any of those disciplines. Then there's the time constraint to keep in mind as well; she might be able to analyse the literature and give a sensible take on the matter, but not when her schedule involves making one ~5 minute video on any given topic per day.
That means you missed her video on how capitalism is good actually. It's about as horrid as you'd expect.
Is she the reincarnation of Ayn Rand?
Not that bad. She's still dapable of logical conclusions. Just ignorant, really...
Oh is this the one where she claims that without capitalism there'd be no innovation?
Yeah, and she doesn't properly explain what it is, reproduces the barter myth, etc.
But I feel after that, she has mostly stuck to physics stuff right?
The titles on some of her videos manage to be too fishy for my taste, they appear a lot on my feed due to watching a lot of videos from channels like PBS Spacetime and The History Of The Universe, stuff like that.
You can tell that she knows her stuff, but clickbait titles somewhat like, I paraphrase here: "A year ago I lost my faith in science, here's why", raise my suspicions and I move on without clicking. Right on the blurry edge between science and something else beyond that line, something that's not quite legit and not good for you.
Same for me. I had watched one video of hers because I watch those same channels and afterwards i looked her up and saw the controversial shit. The clickbait doesn’t help her image either. Hard pass for me.
This is the conversation I needed to finally block (or "not recommend", or whatever YouTube calls it) her videos on my feed.
Astrum also sometimes gives me an uneasy feeling, but so far the content appears to be solid, although I don't watch all his videos.
Hey, let me recommend one of the best channels out there in the vast sea of science/history YouTube content, the name is ParallaxNick.
He's been doing incredibly well-research videos on the history of astronomy, recently he's been doing a series that went into detail on Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler and Galileo, I suspect (fingers crossed tight) he's gonna follow with Newton, then Huygens, Halley and the Herschels.
Ok, that I didn't know. Off to find some references.
(I have fairly strong opinions about people like that. Hell, I refuse to watch any Tom Cruise movies because of his association with scientology, just as an example.)
I feel like their marketing needs a rewrite, everyone vaguely knew the LHC was to identify the Higgs Boson, what's this one for, gravitons?
Maybe it's time to admit that maybe Dark Matter doesn't exist, and we need a different hypothesis to explain the universe?
Other than the fact that it/some of it was probably detected in 2023 and all the models do mostly work. Plus the LHC proved the existence of the Higgs Boson.
This? https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a46807202/dark-matter-cosmic-web/
Is this really dark matter, or just more evidence of where the current physics modelling is incorrect?
Either way, the solution is more science.
Yes. Of course.
I was just taking issue with the phrase "probably detected" and would instead say "effects were better observed".
"Probably" don't cut it chief
Neutrinos are an unknown science that we still know so very little about. There are hypotheses that say neutrinos could be the missing dark matter, but they are fringe. Once we have a reliable way of detecting them it would unlock all sorts of secrets of the very early universe - think microwave background radiation except with neutrinos.
Dark matter must travel slowly compared to light. Neutrinos are fast.
But could neutrinos be dark energy?
That seems a bit silly considering how much evidence we have for it. That's an awful lot of work to throw away for no great reason.
Evidence such as?
It's not my job to educate you on what could be a brief Google search. Stop being such a cynic. The gravitational lens distortion of distant galaxies is basically impossible without dark matter. Not to parrot the mantra of conspiracy theorists and cultists, but do your own research.
... using our current model of the Universe.
Dark matter, and dark energy in particular, were introduced to make existing models fit the data.
And we will keep using it until we have a better model
Which we don't, for that matter
You're speaking as if scientists aren't constantly trying to create new, better models that fit the data better.
I have no problem with the scientists searching for better models.
It's the scientists talking about dark matter like it's as established as an electron whereas dark matter and energy is more like aether.
The entire evidence for dark matter (and dark energy) has been generated by matching data to models we are sure are incorrect (quantum gravity).
Seriously though.
I'm no great physicist, but dark matter and dark energy sound like the ether of our times.
Hypothetical constructs to pluck the holes of misunderstanding the Universe.
Honestly same
Israel better start to follow the Geneva convention and start building particle accelerators under their cities.
mindbroken
The really wanna blow up the earth huh