Spyke
lemmy.world

I have no idea what this game is but the person on the left looks like someone who's been in battle and is still in some sort of a battle and the person on the right looks like an influencer cosplaying the person on the left

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JamesTBaggreply
lemmy.world

Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice

She is fighting some battles.

I keep suggesting this game to people. The story is pretty short, mechanics straight forward and game play very linear. But it is a ride. Do not read about it; no reviews, no strategies. Put on some good surround sound headphones, turn out the lights, and let the game carry you away.
One of the few games I've finished then immediately restarted.

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If you have the ability, and aren't prone to motion sickness, try the VR! It's excellently done and the head tracking fits so natively the immersion is disturbing.

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lemmy.world

It's also got a proper VR version. I know I'm speaking to an even smaller audience, but do not pass up the VR version if you are at all interested. The spatial sound in VR is even better. I can't wait for the sequel, I hope they also do a VR version for it, but I'm not waiting, I'll gladly play both if they do.

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Klearreply
sh.itjust.works

Well, now I'm interested.

Edit: No motion controllers support. That's disappointing.

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lemmy.world

I'm not sure what would really come of adding motion controller support to it. The game just wasn't designed with that in mind. I can't even think of what they could do with it, let alone it being worth the time, effort, and money to add.

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Klearreply
sh.itjust.works

Excuses. Quake 3 Arena wasn't designed with VR in mind and it's awesome.

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Quake 3 has an obvious use for motion controls. What would you want to do with motion controls in hellblade? I can't think of anything that would make any sense. If you just want to be able to use touch controls to play it, you can do that. There's just nothing to actually point or swing around or anything, all combat animations are canned and the enemy responses are fixed animation too and reliant on the characters fixed animations to trigger. So they would have to completely recreate combat from the ground up, and the combat isn't even a focus of the game. It's just not in any way a motion controls kind of game.

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Samireply
lemmy.zip

No outright jumpscares but the game is scary/tense during certain sections. One section happens in near complete darkness and playing that with headphones at 3AM is not the best idea.

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Samireply
lemmy.zip

Headphones are actually better for the creepiness-factor/immersion for this game.

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lemmy.world

If I remember right, they took extra special care with the audio for this with regards to spatial audio. Without spoiling much there's a lot of voices and whispers that they wanted to feel were coming from different directions so headphones really change the experience.

For honestly not really loving the gameplay all that much, this game was so awesome and so memorable. I watched all the bts stuff afterwards and can't wait for the next one. Really cool and unique game

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Yeah, the sound was recorded spatially, with one of those surrogate heads with mics all over it. The voice actors moved all around the head when delivering their lines. It's even better with VR spatial audio, I hope the sequel gets VR too.

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Agree, I have a legit Atmos theater setup, and the headphones still are the better option.

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It's incredible. Once you've played the game, you realize just how absurd this tweet is -- and it's very absurd to start with

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Aganimreply
lemmy.world

mechanics straight forward

And yet this was the first game I rage-uninstalled in 20 years or so. I really wanted to like it, but I just couldn't get past the first boss fight, which was Valravn for me. I'm probably missing something, but I absolutely hate its combat system.

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You may still dislike it now, but I'd recommend giving it another chance. I replayed it last year and now it feels like a stripped down version of God Of War 4(and maybe Ragnarok too but I haven't played). Valravn was rough for sure though, cant blame you getting frustrated. I remember stopping there the very first time I played, it took a break of a few months before I came back and finished the whole thing.

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What I think is funny is the character they're referring to isn't unattractive. I'd wager she's significantly more attractive than any of the guys commenting there.

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lemmy.ca

So they took a perfectly fine character model, with a look that fits the tone and setting of the game, with a realistic face.... and somehow thinks it's an improvement to make her look like she sells bathwater to losers to fund her MAC cosmetics addiction.

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Kusimulkkureply
lemm.ee

Hey now, that's a valid way to enjoy games too!

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lemmy.world

There’s nothing wrong with liking erotic content but there is something deeply wrong with forcing all content into what you find attractive.

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kbin.social

with a ton of that crowd, they really have no idea what strength is. but they so badly want to appear strong, as they assume that will make others around them think they actually are strong.

it's a sort of projection. they're weak, so they worry that others will perceive them as weak. it locks them into a constant obsession with appearing strong, so people won't realize how weak they are.

the fallacy in all that is assuming that other people care, most don't, as most are locked into their own various insecurities and are usually worried about how they appear to the world.

real strength, and other qualities, isn't worried about what others think. it's like being cool. you're not cool if you have to go around and tell others how cool you are. if you're cool, others will recognize that pretty quickly. if you're not cool, no amount of faking it will ever make others think you are.

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Not to mention, the left is what strength looks like. It's grimy, raw, and sweaty. There's screaming and pain and struggle.

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lemm.ee

So ... is someone ugly because of some dirt? Do people see only colours & not shapes?

Not to mention they are basically calling Melina Juergens ugly :D

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Nom Nomreply
lemm.ee

If only they'd actually played the game. She's basically going through hell, makeup and hygiene are the least of her worries.

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I was gonna say; isnt it basically a game about shit that should be ugly?

Fuck, let's go find+replace every not-completely-gorgeous dude in film with like four near identical impossibly good looking photo shopped models. Make the dean of A/C repair in 'community' just beautiful and jacked and expressionless because he just shot up ten gallons of botox.

Also, what's a fun ethnicity... The chad meme is a Turkish dude right? Let's just make all guys in film Turkish or, since we need two... Japanese? Brazilian? Doesn't matter, just pick two and no more white dudes. "Including" white people would be woke dei bullshit, let's not compromise our standards just to include people, and why shouldn't kratos be hot?

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iegodreply
lemm.ee

You're in luck! All humans have muscles.

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lemmy.world

As do I. But I’m a woman so I can’t even imagine what loops of logic the type of men like we’re mocking will have to say about why that is

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lemmy.world

Awwww so triggered. Poor wee incel got his comment removed 🥺 literally 1984!

Go back to reddit shitface.

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Squizzyreply
lemmy.world

I can only imagine what this comment was, presumably some incel type shit, its nice to have moderators remove it promptly.

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lemmy.world

...Senua's story is not pretty. Senua's journey through what she perceives as a land of evil, magic and ruin is not pretty. She is not an airbrushed model. She is meant to be a picture of a person. Someone battling what she believes to be true, horrifying monsters while striving in grief to achieve something to ease her pain. Screaming to deities to aid her.

Calling her that is disgusting. Retouching her face to look 'correct' is both missing the point and spitting on art.

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It’s also spitting on women as a whole for being considered a human instead of an object or mere concept that is only supposed to exist for an incel’s peen feels.

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The original looks like it might be from an interesting game. The edit looks like it is from a shit game that is trying to sell a wank to losers.

Another rightist account where you'd have to do proper research to know if it is satire or genuine.

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Senua doesn't look like a model, but she's far from being ugly. I agree with your point

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kbin.social

how to not be ugly:

  1. don't be exhausted

  2. don't have any dirt on you

  3. always have photo studio lighting on you regardless of what environment you're in

  4. look at the narcissistic viewer rather than your objective

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  1. Have "fuck me" face on at all times.

  2. Be naked and dtf or else they'll reee

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how not to be ugly:

  • smile, even when engaging in war, never stop smiling, it makes you look ugly otherwise.
  • take care of your skin, even when your leg is decrepit and necrotic. It makes you look ugly.
  • don't get wet, it makes you look ugly.
  • shower regularly. It makes you look not ugly.
  • take care of your skin, you wouldn't want to look ugly.
  • looking ugly makes you look ugly, just don't look ugly.
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You win the fucking prize, I didn't even think to call out the "fixed" version looking at the camera instead of..... whatever she's supposed to be looking at

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Not familiar with the game in question, but the photo on the left is not ugly. That's angry. Common misconception.

Meanwhile the picture on the right looks like a college student fell onto some war paint and Instagram filters. That's immersion breaking if this is supposed to be a crying/screaming/angry scene by a battle-hardened warrior, IMO.

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ludreply
lemm.ee

I have played the first game and her being angry is not something out of the ordinary.

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lemm.ee

You'd probably be angry too if the only person to ever understand you was horrifically murdered along with everyone you ever knew.

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ludreply
lemm.ee

Yeah, probably. I wouldn't >!go around killing gods but yeah.!<

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lemmy.world

Senua. Of all the video game characters they had to cry about Senua being not sexy enough.

I would think of this as some kind of joke. But sadly I know better. Pathetic.

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Right? The fucking woman has a mental crisis after the love of her live died and they go "but she isn't a well groomed super model"...

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lemm.ee

I wish I were ugly and gay so that I could be woke. Instead I'm just ugly.

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lemmy.sdf.org

Wait, what? The character is actually pretty striking looking, in a good looking (see: attractive) way.

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lemmy.zip

Yeah, and that edit removes all of the feeling she's going through with the psychosis. The actress did such a great job with the first game, that edited face would not have fit what she was going through and did such an excellent job portraying in her acting.

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Billiamreply
lemmy.world

Women experiencing psychosis due to the death of their husbands should smile more.

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feddit.uk

Angry women?

Too political for me.

Anyone else remember them noticing Aloy from Horizon Forbidden West had tiny hairs on her face? Apparently that meant she was trans. Sorry for not waxing in a robot dinosaur apocalypse, lads.

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lemmy.world

Is this the same person who was upset that Aloy has facial hair?

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Smallwaterreply
lemmy.world

The same people who claim Stellar Blade's Eve is peak design because she's "based on an actual model!", also continuously rag on Aloy while forgetting Aloy was also based on an actual model.

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lemmy.world

I'd take a hundred Aloys over Eve. Aloy is more natural to me, I've seen far less women that look like eve than I have women who look like Aloy.

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lemmy.world

I think there's definitely space for both in the industry

absolutely hate the schmucks that want everyone to be a NIKKE: Goddess of Victory character tho

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lemmy.ca

Of course there is space for both. In a total fantasy game, like Nier Automata, or Bayonetta, or Stellar Blade, crafting an impossible beauty can just be part of the tone, or story craft. In Nier, the female androids are beautiful and the male are children because the male dominated society that invented them designed them that way, beautiful women and non threatening men, interesting commentary on today's society for a game set thousands of years from now.

But in a game going for a gritty realism, or a grounded type of experience, like the Last of Us, or Horizon Zero Dawn, realistic looking characters with faces molded by lived experience is what will make the game immersive, and sell the experience to players. Abby looks like a woman driven by revenge, spending her days in the weight room and pounding back ration burritos in preparation.

These folks don't seem to get that, they want every game to star 2B, and they have no idea what 2B's design is saying about humanity. Art is lost to them.

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Exactly! I’ll always come back to the first time I saw this argument with gamers losing their shit over Ellie in borderlands. Like in a game where every character is a cartoonish exaggeration of hillbillies and other rural poor folks they had a problem with a fat horny lady.

These people don’t want art to speak to them, they want it to entertain them and flatter them while lacking any message or themes. And they feel threatened by the reminder that women exist even when we aren’t pretty and available

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lemm.ee

Yeah seriously. Even if your goal is peak beauty,(I'll try anything once) and you think there's only one static eternal standard that matters(insane) part of how you achieve that is contrast with ugliness, both static and dynamic.

I'll say this referencing a German, so these people can understand. To paraphrase hegel: 'everything exists in a context, it cannot exist without context, and if it could, that would basically be god. Which doesn't look like a hot lady, because 'looking' like things is the product of reflected light or touch and this hypothetical thing does not have context'

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lemmy.world

Well yeah it’s how these people wind up with ratcheting expectations. Hot as fuck in rural nowhere is fine in a major city and probably ugly in LA. And if most of the women you see are models who’ve been airbrushed and are in the most male gazey presentations suddenly a gorgeous woman who looks somewhat realistic becomes extremely ugly in your eyes. It’s a critical deficiency of grass touching.

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All true and worth saying, but its also a misunderstanding of how beauty and meaning are constructed.

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lemmy.world

Eve just looks...unnatural. She is, obviously, since she's basically a full-body cyborg, but she really hits the uncanny valley for me.

People just don't look like that. Stellar Blade probably could've benefitted from a more stylized art style, instead of one that can't decide whether or not it wants to be realistic.

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fsxyloreply
sh.itjust.works

She looks like a character from dead or alive beach volleyball, so of course they approve.

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No, those look like an exaggeration of a human and are pleasant to the eye. Especially Kasumi, loooove her.

Eve looks like a haunted mannequin trying and failing to emulate beauty so I'll be less scared of her, and it's backfiring horribly.

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Never heard of Stellar Blade till this post, that's when I looked it up and my gut reaction was basically "No... just... no"

It takes a lot to uncanny valley me....

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Also it would be artistically strange to make Aloy conventionally beautiful in 21st century supermodel standards. The game is heavily about the divine feminine and Aloy is living off the land. She should have a bit of a belly, no cosmetics, functional hairstyling, and muscles.

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bec
lemmy.ml

If only gaming companies listened to the fans and made all the women characters look like Gerardo de Rivera we wouldn't be having this conversation every time a new game is released 😔

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lemmy.world

We would just be having different people who also don't play games complaining that real women don't look like that.

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becreply

Real, but also gamers would be happy

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lemmy.world

Men don't constantly need to be fuckable.

Also, I can't help notice how much Master Chief cribs his style from Samus Aran

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So the studio behind Senua's Sacrifice made a mocap headset that is like the iPhone face ID on steroids. The character on the left is the most realistic copy of the WOMAN who voices Senua in the game.

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sh.itjust.works

Damn right, I agree with them so much, every character is so ugly. Someone needs for run Doom guy through a KPop filter and get some pretty boys back into games, none of these ugly men.

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It took 10 years for Skyrim Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Overhaul (CBBE) to have the male equivalent Highly Improved Male Body Overhaul, or HIMBO for short.

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It's ok, the Devil May Cry and Final Fantasy games have your back if you like your boys pretty

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These guys have clearly never been breathing so hard you breathe through your teeth. High school me in cross-country could feel that picture on the left.

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lemmy.world

Somehow I never heard of this game or the original. Holy fucking shit I need this in my life. this looks amazing.

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kbin.social

The artistry and ambiance are the excellent, and I'm enjoying watching the story unfold. Unfortunately, it's less a "game" than a walking simulator. Combat isn't difficult (and has zero stakes). Puzzles are visually dazzling, but braindead easy to solve. I don't even really feel like I'm exploring, because you're basically on rails.

Excellent experience, interesting view into schizophrenia, absolutely beautiful... just not much in the way of interaction. Honestly, I'd enjoy it more as a movie (or mini-series, since it's longer than a few hours if you let it breathe).

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lemmy.zip

First one was amazing, can't wait for part 2. Wear headphones, the voices in her(your) head really require headphones for the full effect.

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The woman is fine. I think the left one is an actor or based on one. And if the one on the right was real, she'd probably also agree that the others in the image suck.

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Not sure of the game in question, but this completely changes the vibe...

The one on the left is clearly meant to be some kind of angry vicious killer, the one on the right looks like some random goth girl

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Having played Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice, in the beginning I admit I looked at her and didn't see "modern day beauty standard" but then one has to consider that it is a game set during a viking era. Then I realised I need to then consider that I cannot apply "modern standards".

I mean she wasn't ugly in my eyes, just I guess appeared somewhat plain which is not a slight against the actress but more as an aquired appreciation to how they designed her but when you really look at the details it is perfectly acceptable to see what they did get right. It is a person that has gone through a lot and of course she is going to look not "clean" considering what baggage she is carrying and where she is coming from.

It is not some future world were mud and dirt don't magically stick to your skin, it is a realistic portrayal of a person going through a lot of dirty places, being a bad ass and losing her collective mind with a story that explores someone with mental illness in a time when it was considered a "gift" from the gods if you were lucky.

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He didn't have to be retarded, but now he can't be fixed, only replaced with another person

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kbin.social

There are tons of mods like this for Skyrim, etc...and nobody cares because they aren't accompanied by comments you can smell through your screen.

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Mangoreply
lemmy.world

Oh no! Guy on the Internet made a rude comment about an NPC!

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

No, they made a rude comment about a person. It would have been fine if it just not made the comment.

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Mangoreply
lemmy.world

What person? There's no person in the pic.

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

Look I can't help it if you can't be bothered to actually do some thinking for yourself.

Most characters in games now are 3D scans of real people.

Stop being a jackass and stop trying to defend a defenseless position.

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Oh that's a scan? Fair enough, that changes the tone a bit.

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Modding would be fine, they are complaining that games should never be made with real human women characters, only full-makeup fake plastic dolls.

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zazoreply
lemmy.world

Imagine being mad because someone objects to people debasing someone because of how they look.

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Mangoreply
lemmy.world

Who was debased again? Oh right, a goddamn videogame character. Waaahhh!

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You do know that the character is modeled off a 3D scan of the actress, right? And like they've literally taken her emotive mocapped performance and amalgamated it into a soulless "cutesy gf" because the former doesn't make their dick hard. Then again, it's my fault for expecting coomers to comprehend context and nuance..

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