Hillary Clinton tells voters to 'get over yourself' when it comes to Biden-Trump rematch
With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.
Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is represented by their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.
Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?
Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.
We can do it right now. We don't have to get over a damn thing. If anyone needs to get over themselves, it would be the democrats who assume they are the only way forward.
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
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Please go away, get out of public life and stop "helping."
Being a dick to people is not going to get them to vote your way. Same with the 'deplorables' comment. I agreed with her on it, but it was a stupid thing to say in an election.
I think the deplorables comment would have been fine if they did try to cowardly walk it back immediately after in the typical miquetoast, 'cater to everyone' Democratic fashion.
"Cater to everyone but the left"
It wouldn't have. That's when I knew we were screwed.
Maybe they wouldn't have thought they had to if they could have counted on the left for any of the energy coming up with reasons why them not voting is everyone else's fault.
The white left being shocked and outraged that they in fact do not get to call themselves the base when they have to be dragged kicking and screaming by their hair just to get into a poll booth, never mind to not be a fucking moron and vote green or some shit, never ceases to amaze me.
The Tea Party are the Republican base because they don't have to be convinced to show up for the general you entitled fucking morons.
Oh right, when you're running in a popularity contest and lose, it's the fault of the people voting not your own. The fact that she couldn't even be more appealing than a known conman, failed businessman, and reality TV host with zero political experience really says a lot.
Rather than calling us names how about making material compromises with us?
Explain something to me. How can you simultaneously believe we don't vote but care that we don't vote? Biden won the 2020 general election so if we didn't vote for him then who cares if we won't vote for him in 2024?
So which is it?
Yes, it’s like she took notes from her husband, but isn’t Smooth Willy enough to pull it off. I think it’s because deep down, she is just a bitch.
South Park said it best: "my wife is a crazy bitch."
I’m still convinced that only person insufferable enough to lose to Donald fucking Trump in 2016 was Hillary Clinton.
You can hate it all you want but in some level it’s a popularity contest and she is utterly utterly unlikeable.
Her smarmy q&a with those millennials was a fucking PR nightmare.
Lewis Black said her problem was that she never went away. I’d say that’s pretty spot on. Shitheads wants attention, wants to be important. Maybe if she’d given the public a break and then came back for a second act it would have been different for her. But we’re still in act one and it never ends.
Hilary propped up Trump. Never forget that. The political turmoil we are currently in is directly because or her. Fuck her and the DNC
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
I remember something like this happening in Germany...some people like Von schleicher and Von Papen thinking if they propped up Hitler it would help the conservative old Gaurd consolidate power...not exactly the same but it looks the same and smells like shit to me
I remember something similar, the far left in Germany stabbing the Social Democrats in the back thinking Hitler coming to power would teach those establishment politicians a lesson and surely they'd get to bulldoze their way to lead next time!
"First Hitler, then Our Turn."
She got her second choice in 2016, like all centrists did.
Since when was she a centrist? Her congressional voting and action history put her way left of the party, way farther than Obama, and second only to Bernie Sanders.
Lie to someone else. Obama won the 2008 primaries because his healthcare plan was to the left of Clinton's.
Centrists in congress made sure to limit Obama's plan to what Clinton ran on.
She's nothing but a centrist.
Wait, wait, wait, are we talking about the healthcare plan that was fundamentally based on the individual mandate from the Heritage Foundation?
Also, are you referring to this plan from Hillary?
Yes and yes. Obama ran on a public option and no individual mandate. Clinton ran on no public option and an individual mandate. The Heritage Foundation plan was still to the left of what Clinton ran on.
We got what Clinton wanted, but the voters wanted what Obama was selling. Even though it turned out to be a bill of goods.
I remember the 08 campaign. Her cronies also made a huge stink about flag pins, started the "Obama isn't a citizen" rumors that Trump would run with later, and once she had lost the nomination because the party didn't successfully quash her opposition for her, her supporters started a PAC to get McCain/Palin elected because Clinton's cult would rather have Palin as VP than have a black man be president.
Clinton's VP pick of Tim Kaine in 2016 was an additional "fuck you" to everyone to her left. I get that you're trying to pretend that Clinton is someone that the left should be happy with, but Clinton is centrist at best. She's a corporate owned neoliberal from the "triangulate between the meekest Democrat and the vilest republican" Third Way James Carville wing of the party.
Yes, she is absolutely a centrist.
Hillary Clinton is an avid follower of the Iron Law of Institutions
Blink 2 times if you are being held against your will
Apologies for actually knowing the history of the subject. I've had these debates with misinformed people on subject regarding Clinton, Biden, and so many others going back years. For some reason, far left people actively fall for made up right wing BS claims about Democrats.
Liberals translate 'misinformed' to mean anything I don't like
She openly opposed gay marriage as a NYS senator. Her career has been over long before 2016.
Oh, fun, we're going back to the usual BS that tried to be thrown at her, despite her having the longest history of supporting the LGBT community out of anyone involved. I also remember leftists getting super pissed off when so many of the LGBT community supported her (though not the young ones who didn't live through the period) because of her long history of supporting the community and being there, both personally and with her political position.
With her being likely the first Congressperson to force equal federal compensation and benefits for same sex couples that worked in her office or, later as SoS, who were in her department. Even if those couples weren't married in the time period before that became legal.
Basic human rights are not subject to pragmatism. She wound up where she needed to be.
I don't think it's fair to put Trump all on her. If we were to ask anyone 10 years ago if someone like Trump could win the presidency we all would have laughed. No surprise they tried to prop up an opposing candidate they thought was bad.
Why not? Her supporters blame Trump on anyone who ever thought about voting for Sanders in the primaries, regardless of who they voted for in the general, and have for nearly 8 years now.
Sanders campaigned for her in states she ignored because they were full of worthless flyover hayseeds who were beneath her. Her campaign didn't seem to understand how the electoral college functions.
Her campaign WANTED to go up against Trump because they were unforgivably stupid enough to think that Republicans would be less energized by a charismatic con man than by Jeb Bush, Republicans' presumptive frontrunner that no one wanted.
Clinton earned her loss multiple times over.
The Simpsons warned her, and she did it anyways.
Yeah, that was exactly the feeling at the time. No one saw Trump coming.
I can only assume people making claims otherwise now are kids who have no understanding of the history involved.
I saw Trump coming. He did something no one else was doing at the time: acknowledge just how miserable life was for many Americans at the time. Other politicians have been content to pretend everything is great save for their pet policy projects, Trump said it's all bad. In a post-COVID world this would be more effective save for his own history of failure and inaction, but people often have short memories and they will forget quickly if they get angry about something else.
Last thing anyone needs is the narcissist Hillary Clinton inserting herself where she doesn't belong. I imagine voting enthusiasm will already be low because the choice between a failed conman and Weekend at Biden's isn't particularly enticing, so maybe Hillary can just fuck off for a bit and not make it worse.
Not just kids, white kids, nobody else needs to have it explained to them why throwing the election to punish the establishment does nothing to help anyone and in fact makes you not just a collaborator, but the most insidious and/or idiotic sort of one imaginable.
Their thinking is either, "I know how to defeat the fascists! Let the fascists win!" or much more likely underneath, "I know exactly where I stand on the hit list, I can wait it out for enough bodies to pile up so I can file my demands with the bodies as set dressing!"
The white left would see us all be made corpses before they ever tolerated the possibility that we might not choose to follow them without being convinced and compromised with.
Literally everyone I know is either a leftist or comfortable in leftist spaces, and literally everyone I know thinks that the white "left" fuckasses who threw 2016 because counting votes instead of individual donors didn't let them feel pandered to enough aren't worth the air they breathe to spew their bullshit about what we made them do to us.
Dobbs is the white "left's" child, they had the chance to abort, but they actively chose not to, and now they don't get to abandon that child just because the fact that it wanders the neighborhood skinning small animals reflects bad on them.
Any real leftist with functioning brain cells either voted for Hillary or has owned up to the severe mistake that not doing that was, anyone else is just red-washing them being a fascist collaborator, and would live to see trial among the rest of the lot if the revolution they claim they want instead of voting ever actually came.
They don't get to call themselves socialists while selling out the common laborer to republican governance, they don't get to call themselves an ally while standing by as women are hung by the umbilical chord because republicans would rather let them die than allow the possibility that a woman can "pull a fast one on them," they don't get to call themselves anti-imperialists while making space for the president who handed Israel Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights getting back into office if it means they get to feel valid about using my people's corpses as set dressing for the whole sickening display they want to paint for themselves as the saviors of us lowly ungratefuls who shall descend upon us with their divinely inspired marching orders that will surely brint about world peace and global communist revolution and surely won't just get us all killed while they sigh and gaslight the survivors about how we just didn't revolution hard enough for their brilliant plans to work.
Two things can be true at the same time.
She is a target of mysgonstic flavored consisparcy theories.
She truly is unlikeable with half measure policies while being woefully out of touch with the average person.
She is / was 100x more qualified than Trump.
American voters are idiots.
It's easy to be more qualified than totally unqualified. She was the obvious choice, but her total lack of charisma to voters destroyed that.
The worst part is that more people voted for her, just not where it counts because she couldn't be bothered to campaign there
Yeah, cause she's an elitist piece of shit, which makes her unqualified to anyone with a fuckin brain.
Still more qualified than the woefully unqualified, elitist trash that is Trump. Lol
Sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that Dem shills are dumb as fuck too, just not blatantly malicious like Republicans
Ok, but she got more votes across the nation in a nationwide election for a Federal job, so...?
As shitty as this sounds, does it matter whether or not she won the popular vote if that was not the metric for winning?
She, a career politician, should know that and her strategy was lacking.
Oh, for sure, she should have had a better strategy. I don't disagree that she ran a terrible campaign. But OP said "more people voted for her" despite her bad strategy, which is true and frankly should have been a national point of months of protests. But instead, the person I responded to implied it doesn't matter because she's [insert stereotypical Clinton hate vomit].
It does matter. She did get more votes. That is in fact a fairer and more just way of representing a national vote for a national/Federal position. We all know there's an electoral college. But there absolutely shouldn't be because it inherently counts some votes as more valuable than others, which is frankly incompatible with democracy. So yes, that definitely matters.
Cause people are idiots...?
And she stole the election from Bernie..?
And yet, unelectable!
She's from the Chicago suburbs, fuck that entitled bitch.
We literally had Trump instead of Bernie because she couldn't get over herself.
Neolibs would rather see a descent into fascism than a true progressive agenda because billionaires will still thrive under the former. Sure, there's the whole die roll about who gets caught up in the purges, but a real progressive administration could lead to less free money for them. The DNC would rather hand the reigns to the GOP while it sorts out the problem of people wanting a candidate like Bernie.
She really just needs to get over herself and shut the fuck up. She lost to Trump. Why the fuck would anyone listen to her on how to beat him?
She needs to learn to shut the fuck up, because she doesn't help.
This is like telling your SO to 'just calm down' when they're really angry about something.
Hillary Clinton is irrelevant, and should get over herself.
She should go hang out with her buddy Henry Kissinger, whatever he's up to these days.
Rich old bat, nobody cares; she might not be first for the guillotine but she's definitely in the queue.
What political side even are you? I assume some far left tankie idiocy.
Taking sides in politics is just about the most pointless thing you can possibly do with your existence on this earth. They don't know you. No one cares. It's not a team sport.
So caring about things and the world is pointless?
They don't like to hear it, because the guillotine jokes are comforting to them, but calling for the mass execution of undesirables (no matter the flavor) is the most authoritarian loving thing there is. 100% tankie shit.
There are massive changes that need to happen in the west, but revolt and execution are not it.
They are just hoping they'll be in the "in" crowd when the violence starts, not realizing that by a small whim of chance, they could actually be the ones being hunted. Wouldn't be a comforting joke then.
Robespierre definitely found that one out.
I just hope they never try making those jokes in Germany, I don't think their Bougyevik hearts could handle the irony of being prosecuted for accidentally stanning the most popular method of execution outside the camps during the Nazi reign of terror.
And always makes things worse. Just shut up already.
OK Boomer.
I'm voting for Biden but I'm not obligated to be excited or happy about it or to not critique it for the DNC. It's a choice between a lawful neutral (at best) milquetoast waffling imperial fuckhead and an outright chaotic evil dictatorial megalomaniac imperial fuckhead. One choice is clearly superior but that's the choice that's also dangling the more dangerous choice over me like a threat as the only reason to vote for them. That's pretty fucking abusive, if you ask me.
Talking down to voters with stuff like "Why don't you go run for something, then?" worked out so well for her before, right?
Given that one of them will be president after the election, it should be obvious that preventing the much worse option is in everyone's best interest.
It's like the fucking Trolley problem, but blaming the entire setup on the person next to the switch.
Who put that person there? Why are we shifting the blame on them? Stop the trolley, don't act all smug pointing fingers screaming "noone normal would let the trolley go straight".
South Park called it long ago and it still fits. It fits with Hillary and Trump back in 2016 and today. It's a choice between a shit sandwich and a douche bag. They just missed the part where one is hell bent on destroying our democracy and then added a season with Mr Garrison as president.
Now we are repeating history and might put "Garrison" in charge again. I never liked history but I didn't think we were this dumb it hasn't even been a decade but that's more to do with brain washing
shut the fuck up forever hillary
Ah, yes, entitlement, that’ll resonate with disaffected voters.
She's saying what every lemmy Centrist has been saying, only with less condescension and she managed to say it without calling anyone a Russian.
I'm surprised she's getting so much hate. Maybe she's not being entitled enough and centrists perceive her as being to their left.
It's not what she's saying here that's the problem, it's that she fucked up her own campaign so badly by keeping her smug entitled head so firmly up her ass that we got Trump. Personally, I don't want see her in the public eye or hear her opinions ever again, even the ones I agree with.
Her messaging here is consistent with her messaging during her failed campaign, and consistent with the party's messaging since around 2015 or so.
Yes, I agree.
It seems that for some of these haters, all she has to do to get hate is to exist.
Like "basket of deplorables," she's not wrong. She just shouldn't be saying it because it can only really hurt things
Nah, she's wrong. The only way to "get over ourselves" in this situation is to stop caring about the present and future of our country and world.
Right message, very much the wrong messenger. Like it or not, Hillary, a significant number of people in this country despise you. I don't think that's at all fair, but them's the breaks. You're not helping.
"Shut up, you're voting for who we want you to vote for because we say so" is never the right message. Centrists will never think of another one.
How apropos... Confidently telling everyone why Hilary is wrong while clearly not even reading the article. Classic.
That wasn't really the message. The message is more: "Please stop with the hyperbole. You know that Donald Trump is the worst possible candidate imaginable." Which is absolutely true.
Ok? Then Biden should be begging for votes, doing anything within his power to get progressive and leftist votes and telling moderates and liberals to get over themselves.
No? Oh so just more of the same finger wagging from the usual suspects convinced that one more lecture should do the trick.
I mean, I agree it would be great if Biden was a better candidate. I'd be a whole lot less worried about a second Trump presidency if that were the case. But he's not a better candidate. He is who he is. And though he hasn't earned your vote, you should give it to him anyway because it's in your best interest to do so.
No.
Focus your lectures on moderates and liberals for once in your goddamn life. I'm done being held to a different standard.
Ok, so what's your solution, then? Actually - first, let's make sure we're on the same page about the basics: do you agree that Donald Trump would be fundamentally worse for America than Joe Biden? Second, do you agree that any candidate other than the winners of the Democratic and Republican primaries basically stands no chance of becoming president?
Again, ask moderates and liberals that question. And then ask them if Trump is such a danger why didn't they fume at Biden for blocking the rail strike? Or raising the defense budget? Or forcing federal workers back to the office? Or going around Congress to ship weapons to Gaza? Why didn't they do anything in support of progressives and leftists for the past three years?
Why is it the people who have gotten fucked over by Biden are being told to vote for him rather than telling Biden, moderate voters and liberal voters they cannot win elections on their own and thus they must make material compromises with the people they're depending on?
You're trying to squeeze blood from a stone here. I'm telling you I'm done propping up procorporate trash candidates for moderate and liberal voters. If they would rather lose to MAGA than make material compromises with leftists and progressives that's on them.
If Biden really believes Trump is such a a danger then he should be on his knees begging for votes. Or is his ego worth more than democracy?
Yes, I know that. That's why I changed my voter registration to Republican and voted for Nikki Haley in the primaries. I don't particularly like her, but she's better than the worst possible candidate imaginable. Trump could have been kicked to the curb but I guess the uncommitted protest vote against Biden was more important.
"No, what he really means is..." - the trumpists you sound like.
You ok, bud?
Horrendous, insulting, out of touch phrasing from her as usual too. The democrats spending years propping her up and then stacking the deck in her favor in the primary are why we had Trump as president. She was the only person predicted to lose to him.
Obama could get away with telling potential voters to get over themselves. Clinton has none of the cachet that Obama or even Biden to a less extent has. She should be embarrassed to show her face in public at this point.
Hillary was the only candidate unlikeable enough to lose to Trump. She should stick that in her pipe and smoke it.
Alternative headline: Hillary Clinton hasn't learned her lesson that she is tone deaf and should stay the fuck out of politics.
That’s A real hoot coming from the woman who gave us president Donald Trump.
Nah if not for Hillary, Bernie would have easily beat trump
The electoral college gave us trump. Clinton won the popular vote.
Real stupid take from the lemmy user. Trump lost the popular vote.
Real stupid vote from the Trump user. Lemmy lost the popular take.
Jesus read a fuckin room, woman.
She's not even in the room.
Somehow I don’t think insulting people is going to get them to want to participate in your shit show
If she’s jaded about the whole thing, can’t say I blame her. If the dems had pushed to get rid of the stupid electoral college after Gore’s “loss” she might have been president.
To be fair, I don't think she would have made a good president even if the electoral college didn't exist. She would have been better than Trump but that's not saying much, because a shit sandwich is better than Trump.
Why wouldn't she have been good? She was one of the few people in Congress that actually cared about understanding and enacting policy (ie actually getting stuff done). Her platform was the only one with actual details on how to accomplish the stated goals on a legal level.
Not that any of that matters now, since her comment here is pretty shit.
But I don't like the re-writing of history on how she was a million times better candidate than Trump and had a ton of made up conspiracy nonsense being claimed about her at the time.
The thing with Hillary Clinton is that, even conspiracy theories aside (because I'm not a conspiracy theorist), her morals are ambiguous. She is not "clean", with some questionable things she's done over the years, including some potential corruption.
Now, I'm not saying she's the most corrupt in the bunch, but she's not the saint that sometimes the Democrats make her out to be. I'm also not holding her to a higher standard, because that's bullshit, but what I'm saying is if we are taking the moral high ground here, we should pick a better mascot.
Ultimately it comes down to whether would she have been a better president than Trump? Without a doubt. But would she have been a good president? I'm not convinced.
Feel free to point out what corruption and morals you're referring to that aren't based on conspiracy theories or made up right wing mud-slinging then.
I remember a lot of the usual made up claims about her being anti-LGBT despite her long history of actually supporting the LGBT community (and voting or not voting for gay marriage in NYS is not a gotcha about her history or her reasons then).
It reminds me a lot of the made up nonsense about Biden's history with the African American community that right wingers and leftists were trying to mudsling over, yet said groups still being perplexed why he continued to have such massive support in said community. Because despite twisting of statements from decades ago, it was his actions that mattered. And that there's context to those actions (such as how the black community itself was the primary pushing force behind the 1994 crime bill).
Really? You're bringing up that long since debunked canard? I can only assume you don't know anything about the context because you were a child when said vote happened.
Hint: That vote in question wasn't actually about allowing a war. And it didn't help that Bush actively lied about what intel we had from Iraq and Afghanistan. He really should have faced charges for that alongside Cheney.
That would have taken a Constitutional amendment and I don't think that would have been possible any time within the last 24 years.
The Democrats never had anywhere near the majority needed and I doubt enough states would be willing to ratify it if they did.
I think the electoral college is stupid and archaic, but I also think we're stuck with it for the foreseeable future.
There's a workaround that several states have signed on for. Your state allocates all of the electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote. But they only do it once enough states sign on to make a majority.
It sounds great, but I would be very surprised if any red states went along with it.
I think best case is that you get enough purple states to sign on. But either way, it's a lot more feasible than an amendment.
You ever know until you try. They couldn’t even be bothered to get behind the idea. It’s bitten them in the ass repeatedly.
I think they did know, which is why they didn't try. You need 2/3 of both houses of congress and a ratification by 3/4 of the states. There has been no time between 2000 and 2024 when that would have had the remotest chance of happening. All they would have done would be to waste taxpayer dollars on something performative.
Like I said, I don't like the electoral college and I wish we didn't have it, but we're stuck with it.
You don't actually need Congress at all. You need 2/3rds of the states to initiate the process via the convention route, and 3/4 to ratify (so functionally, probably 3/4 of states, assuming that a state willing to ratify is also willing to initiate).
But functionally, there is no way that 3/4 of the states are going to make a change to shift power away from smaller states to larger states, which moving away from the electoral college would do (well, okay, it doesn't have to do that, but if you want it to be moving towards a population-only weighting, which I think is the main reason that a lot of people on the left side of the aisle would like that to change, it does).
Okay, fair enough, but that's not going to happen either.
While you’re content throwing up your hands claiming nothing can be done, republicans already have a plan to change the electoral college to their advantage.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/nebraska-electoral-system
It's been estimated that as little as 2% of the population could kill an amendment if their state legislators voted likewise against it.
We don't need amendments anymore, we need to uproot the whole fucking thing and start fresh, new state borders, new constitution, new rule of law.
They've rigged the game for long enough to justify flipping the table and pulling out the ol' bully pulpit to smack the states into their fucking place.
Eisenhower set the precedent to flip the national guard around at their state governments if they act up, and Reagan set the precedent of cutting them off and letting them starve for funds until they get with the fucking program.
These subhumans want civil war anyways, let's give them the war they'll never forget again, and then let's actually see that damn southern occupation through to the proper finish this fucking time!
As a middle aged millennial (how the hell did that happen?) I am so proud of this comment section.
The two powers with a death grip on our society need to (a) let that shit go and (b) fix our voting system before that society breaks.
Changing our voting system will take longer than we have before society breaks
"Most people feel disenchanted about our political system. I know, I'll insult them into shutting the fuck up"
It’s especially funny, coming from one of the people who have made us disenchanted
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Though I loved Steven A. Smith’s smokey-voiced play-by-play of how Hillary fucked up, - just like CNN would be expected to do - he focus on how this comment hurt her and Joe Biden’s standing because is would “alienate voters” and the margins are thin, but not how wrong and almost grotesque it is for a politician to say, “You have to vote for me, because of how bad the other guy is!”
Like, yeah, you rigged this system and now because of your own decisions, you have made it a tenuous situation. You have two choices - change or let the other guy win. What do you want, democrats? You tell us it’s an emergency! Why don’t you get to it! And we won’t fall for bullshit promises, we want action now - especially on the urgent stuff like Palestine. You gave us the vote, and we’re using it Libs.
Hillary is a downer cuck that needs to stfu and gtfo. Nobody cares what she has to say. She's done enough. Please just fuck off and go make some insider trades or something.
Hilary diplomatic and not being an elitest shitty person again. /s
Stephen A. Smith at least coming back with some sanity.
Well she’s out of touch if she thinks it’s not still bipartisan.
Is she scared there won't be anymore opportunies for $200,000 speeches if Trump gets a second term? What's she worried about?
Conversely, maybe she thinks there will be MORE opportunity for $200k speeches if Trump wins!
She can go get over a fucking cliff. The audacity of this idiot telling people how to vote.
Yall ready for the end of America?
Don’t give me somebody I want to vote for and I’m not voting. Done playing the fear-based voting game.
DNC fucked themselves by throwing Bernie Sanders under the bus. Count individual donators and Bernie wins by a landslide. Biden and Trump just got corrupt corporate sponsorship.
Bernie or Warren, but it seems the US is still not ready for a woman president, unfortunately.
Imagine if all the people who didn't vote, instead wrote in their candidate.
The message sent by not voting is "I'm cool with whomever I get" not "I'm too cool to vote".
There’s no point without alternative voting like RSV. Cool, you wrote a name down. Might as well just yell a candidate’s name into the ether and throw your ballot in the trash.
If there is a huge section of the population that writes in candidates, the person who would have won those votes in a ranked choice situation is motivated to enact rank choice voting.
If you don't vote you don't matter to anyone.
That’s so backwards. Why don’t we actually put RCV on the ballot instead? I’ll sign any petition. I’ll vote in any election where RCV is on the ballot or a candidate is advocating for RCV or some other alternative voting method.
They can make the same assumption about how they lost their votes whether I write a candidate or don’t vote at all. Newsflash, if you vote for anybody besides the major two candidates you don’t matter to anyone.
Getting trump for 4 years is acceptable punishment to the dnc for not providing better candidates?
It’s not intentional punishment. It’s just what happens if they don’t have a candidate I want to vote for. If a restaurant makes food I don’t like I’m not punishing them for not eating there.
I'm guessing your healthcare rights are not at risk of Trump gets into office.
If you’re referring to abortions, every state has the power to make it legal if they so choose. Biden doesn’t have the power to make it federal law and Trump wouldn’t have the power to make it illegal in a state where it’s currently legal.
Trump appointed a large amount of conservative judges and would appoint many more further degrading women's rights for decades.
Biden should have done the same. expand the court. he instead did nothing.
Trump is worse than nothing. He is actively turning back rights by several generations and people are just going to let it happen by throwing a fit.
THAT is a lot worse than Joe Biden.
Then they should make me want to vote for them.
Trump should be enough motivation to vote for whoever is running against him.
Obviously it would be best to have someone you are motivated to vote for, but absent that mythical "perfect world", it's still in your interest to vote against the much worse candidate.
I’m not voting for Trump either. Somebody on the right would feel the same as you do about that not being a vote against Biden.
Not voting is my vote. You can play the game if you want but looks like you might be in Canada.
Given the cult-like loyalty that Trump somehow manages to have, I see abstaining from the vote as not negating their vote for the objectively more insane candidate.
Yes I am, and what you guys do down there has an outsized effect on us (and anyone else who has a diplomatic or trading relationship with the USA).
i'm one person. people are gonna vote if and however they want to vote. if Trump makes people vote, good for them. Biden does not make me want to vote, and using scare tactics to get me to vote proves they're just two sides of the same coin. left and right both have cult-like loyalty and there are insane people on both sides.
Tons of elections have been won or lost by a really small number of votes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results
Not voting means someone else gets to make that choice for you.
"Both sides are the same" is a lazy cop-out.
There are clear differences if you're willing to put In a small amount of effort to try.
you have to earn a vote, it is not something you get by default ... also they are materialy the same, also Biden has failed to make any of his promises to the electorate unless you count the one to the doners where he said nothing would change... so no I will not be voting for biden
Sure thing whitey, you'll still be on the wall next to the Nazis you're collaborating with.
Price of admission to those Instagrammable pride marches is gonna start being your "I Voted" sticker with "allies" like you to count on.
Man I was just waiting to hear what she had to say before making MY decision this November 🙄
Hillary trying hard to hand Trump the win again, this time without even running.
How does one get something like RCV on the ballot? Get a petition signed? How do you make a formal petition?
I don’t know dick about shit but I know for absolutely fucking certain that Hilary rod man Clinton should shut the fuck up
Honestly I hate hearing her voice even more than Trump's, and I used to vote democrat.
She did try to pander to us with this gem of a phrase, "I don't know who created Pokémon Go, but I want to figure out how to get them to have Pokémon Go to the polls"
I agree but the fact that it's her saying it means it will not be helpful.
Shut up, cunt.
I'm sure this time yelling at the voters will work.
I didn't give a shit that Clinton beat Sanders. I am however pissed that she then lost. The person most at fault for a candidate losing is the candidate.
Without breaking a sweat. You greatly underestimate the hatred people have for Hilary “it’s my turn” Clinton.
We'll never know. However, the media establishment absolutely didn't want the two of them on a stage together.
Except 1) votes need to be earned and 2) the DNC argued and won in court that election season that they did not have to provide a fair playing feild in the primary as a private organisation, they could even select their nomonee however they wanted too reguardless.
silencing your opposition is antidemocratic
gore won the vote in 2000. this is misinformation
Absolutely correct.
Hear hear!
Except the system is broken and voting doesn't help. No matter how much you want it to. Your vote is irrelevant to the DNC because they will pick whatever candidate they want anyways. It's on THEM that Trump and Bush won. Not wanting to interact with a system so blatantly corrupt does not make me a bad person, and fuck you for claiming such. Maybe if there were confidence in LITERALLY ANYONE in government, young people would see the point in doing anything. The Dems are only there to lose to the Republicans while raking in donations and saying, 'we just need to try HARDER!'. When they just roll over at the first sign of resistance from the right.
I'm so tired of you idiots claiming that voting is going to stop fascism. Liberals will tolerate fascism. They will bitch and moan and then go to work at the death camp.
Fuck that. I'm gonna kill fascists instead.
This is exactly the way I feel about all these people who choose inaction and agitate for others to abstain. You’re so fucking right and I’m sick of all these comments coddling this cowardly attitude of abstinence from real action. My partner is a political organizer, works in civil rights and climate action. He’s Latino and disabled. We’re both trans and queer. I volunteer and organize. The reality is most people won’t volunteer or donate to make change. The easiest thing most people can do to make real change is to vote.
Claiming voting doesn’t work, and asserting you’d rather not vote than vote for a middle of the road candidate versus the fascist… it’s a privileged take. It’s not allyship. It’s not about helping people or making a difference, it’s moral purity. They’d rather throw away lives than taint their soul with an impure decision. I don’t have the privilege to maintain my purity, and those that do should take a hard look at how they’re using that privilege.
It might make you feel icky icky to vote for the guy you dislike versus the man who wants to exterminate me. Get over it or be honest that you’d rather feel pure than take action.
Privileged lefties’ prioritization of moral purity over real action will be the death of us.
Try not seating a neoliberal as the candidate then, maybe you can get some leftists to go vote. The fact that so many people were assaulting the "Bernie Bros" proved to me that people like you are not leftists, you're just rainbow neolibs.
Except study after study show that the US does not respond to the will of the people, they respond to the will of the copreration, Your vote does not matter because once in office your will does not matter, This has been born out in actual full studies.
Except they have done genuine studies on this, and the will of the american people has no effect on laws passed in the states or the federal government. I wish I was making this up but I am not, I will not go so far as to say a vote means absolutly nothing in total terms, but in figuritive terms it is meaningless, and there are studies to prove this.
Second, You do not know anything about me or what I do or what I hold dear. That being said, I am higly unlikely to be lower or at the very least significatly lower on the kill list than any of them, I also do very much cair about them, I also refuse to give my vote at gun point to someone who has done none of what they promised other than "No change" to doners. A man who happily broke a labor strike, a man who is aiding with no qualms and bending over backwards to protect a genoicede. No they do not get my vote. Especialy when the "threat: on the other side has no material difrence.
I mean, intersting that you assume my dreams are to immulate a fictional charicter, they are not, and I can tell you I am well aware that the revolution 1 is not a "wet dream" that is just... disgusting eww... and 2 is not anywhere close, the amount of class contiousness needed is not anywhere near where it needs to be... there are also people like you who seem to think the idea of a revolution is cilly and psycopathic, and all you have to to is vote... dispite the studies showing that the vote does not matter at the best of times, and this is not that.
If you want to know who my Hero I would want to Imulate is that would be John Brown leading a Ritchous Revolution, or Castro, or Mao, or Lennin. but no I would not think about playing out some fictional charicter
She's a rotten c you next Tuesday!
Fuck off Hillary!
She's not wrong.
Not acknowledging the underlying problem is definitely wrong.
Ah yes the fear tactic. Grow some brains and give the people with critical thinking a real reason to vote for someone, not because they have no choice