I don't miss Reddit. I checked some comment sections and holy hell is it toxic compared to here. I think part of that is because of what you've mentioned in your comment.
I used to work for this major company, biggest in my country by far.
Whether it was going well or poorly, they tended to offer severance packages to "cut back" on their staff, to appease the grotesquely overpaid consultants that analysed their finances.
What tended to happen, was that the most qualified people, who had no issues finding another job (often better paying), took those packages (I took home a one year salary after having worked there almost three, then had two months vacation and started a better paying job), which left those who didn't really have other options, those who did the bare minimum and had a lot of useless meetings.
I guess that's what reddit is heading for. They are alienating those who contribute the most, the content creators, the mods and the ones who like to engage others. They will be left with their bots, lurkers, racists, reposters and porn-spammers.
It's really nice to have this "filter" of a complexity because many people who do that low effort stuff don't want to put effort in even trying to learn a new system (geschweige denn) one of the complexity of the fediverse. If you are ready to go through the process of undertsanding the system you are most likely a valuable part of the community
This comment made me feel better about joining even though I’m slightly confused by it. Knowing that there is a barrier for everyone and that my willingness to learn is a sign of my value being here makes me feel more confident
Good for you! I recently changed jobs to a more stable position after asking for years to be put on full time staff at my old one. Once they filled a position with an outside hire instead of bringing me on full time, I knew it was the end of the road. Now I get paid almost twice as much plus amazing benefits to do about half the work.
I also think the Advertising subs don't care much. You know the ones that are content rich from the posters but actually modded by the organisation the sub is for.
For example /r/razer mods being linked to taking bribes and specific subs dedicated to a brand.
I think you are seeing some withdrawal symptoms honestly. People are addicted to scrolling for their next dopamine hit. When that's taken away they get cranky. Add the anonymous nature of being online and things get toxic real fast.
I was IP banned from Reddit so I only got to use it without an account for the last few months. It's very toxic. The front page (not logged in) is so fucked.
Oddly enough, the same thing happened to my partner. She logged out one day, and then she suddenly could never log in ageing on that acct. Then, she could not log in to a new acct more than twice before it got removed. She tried 4 it 5. Her only comment was saying that she loved the colour of something.
I was banned from /r/Android because I prefer a Google Pixel over a Samsung device (yay, corrupt mods!)
I forgot, and I commented using one of my many alts. I was temporarily suspended from Reddit as a whole for “ban evasion”.
My friends visited, who have Reddit accounts, and when they connected to my WiFi Reddit immediately perma-banned ALL of us, including all of my brand accounts for my company for "continuous ban evasion", despite me not posting anything from any of my accounts.
Ever tried having a discussion in any of the default subs? If your opinion differentiates from the hivemind you will be downvoted as spam, without any responses. It completely defeats the purpose of a "discussion"
Yeah that is true, but it wasn't as bad on reddit back in the day (as far as I remember), it seems to have happened after reddit went super-mainstream a few years ago. So I am hoping lemmy will be like that until it "potentially" becomes super popular lol
Lmfao, imagine some corpo trying to buy up all the instances one by one while the users all migrate out of the instance immediately when that happens. That would be hilarious.
The federated decentralized nature of Lemmy and it being open-source means that when this happens the users laugh at whoever paid for an instance and celebrate whoever got the bag and all migrate to a new instance.
See AdBlock -> AdBlock + -> Ublock -> Unlock Origin for a story of idiot capitalists donating massive sums of money only to buy a product that is quite literally drop-in replaceable by design... and Lemmy makes this process even easier than that.
Ouh nice, I'm definitely gonna check that out. Right now I've replaced my reddit phone time with hackernews (and the HACK app), but long term I'd love to switch to lemmy instead.
It’s getting really bad. I’m noticing there being a lot of comments in subs where there barely were any and any mention of the blackout and what might happen after the 30th is met by tons of downvotes and removal. Tinfoil hat but it feels like there are bots making these bad faith comments.
I think this might actually be the case. Let's see how things work out. Lemmy surprised me as a proper alternative it's just not as content rich as reddit at the moment. Something about chickens and eggs.
Let's just expand and improve it further than the original lemmies did. Don't be afraid to post content, heck scrape content and make this the better option. People will follow content.
I’d like to add that there’s already been a significant increase in the amount of content and comments in just the last few days. I joined a whole 5 days ago (so many ages ago, I know) and back then it was somewhere between 1 and 2k users on this instance. It was way emptier - you could read all of the posts in most of the “big” communities in an hour or so. And the new feed was pretty stale.
Lemmy’s not the firehose of content that is Reddit yet, but it’s making real progress.
I just switched over to lemmy from reddit, and it is much nicer here isn't riddled with ads and toxicity. I just hope that more users do join over here, since there were a few subreddits/people I followed and would still like to see there updates/posts
There's something to that. Hearing stories of subreddits reopen and ask the userbase what they want to do, well, who exactly are they asking? I'm not there, and I've seen plenty of posts from others who are also not there. Are they taking silence as votes against? I doubt it.
As hopeful as that take may sound, it is just not something that I can observe as true.
This post is evaluating the next steps for the protest and currently sits at 800 comments. Of those, the majority, be it a vocal minority or not, is heavily against the continuation of the protest. They are vocally stating their mind that the protest harms the community, is an abuse of power, and more than simply not wanting it to continue, they want others to know that it shouldn't have started at all. I find it disheartening to read, but honestly, it's a gaming community, I kind of see it as expected, awful and immature people is the norm.
But, let's assume that the people who do agree just left, then, right? The loudest are are always the angry people, and the content ones stay quiet. I can make that assumption and look around for them then.
Except, the local alternative here is completely deserted.Putting aside unverfiable places like Twitch, I go and prod other established websites. Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Discord, Steam, even /vg/... Everywhere dedicated to the game that I check, there's no noticeable uptick of people. I can't find people looking to actively talk the game except on other communities within reddit. /r/LearnDota2 and /r/TrueDota2 got more threads than usual. Those people making the comments are frustrated, but the ones that supposedly aren't and are willing to browse around are just... Either still on Reddit, or completely Missing. They didn't go to an alternative community and aren't participating and building a new space. They're just sitting and waiting for their existing space back.
I guess I'll have to wait 2 days to find out if they actually just went out and touched some grass, or if the majority is spiteful of this move and everyone sees reddit as their one and only solution.
I honestly, genuinely think that a "No Moderation" protest would go down better than a "Blackout" one. Some people have no idea the impact the loss of the API will have on their lives and even actively suck reddit's corporate dick defending them, saying it only costs 24 cents to have moderation bots working (ignoring the setup for those moderation apps, while in the same breath saying reddit costs money to run). They need to see what value they're losing.
Except, the local alternative here is completely deserted.
The local community is deserted because it's deserted. Which sounds like a dumb thing to say, but the community on reddit survives because the users and content are already there. They have no reason to come here if there's no content for them to interact with. But we all know that a minority of users post a majority of content, and nobody wants to post content where there's nobody to interact with it. The ones that post content have to be the first to leave, and then the rest might follow.
No moderation would get them immediately banned and replaced. It's not a sustainable form of protest. It may lead to lower moderation levels in the short and medium term. But in the long term it means the permanent replacement and takeover of subreddits by admins and their puppets.
I seriously doubt reddit has that level of manpower or cronies to spare. The site is seriously not sustainable if they have to do the paid labor it would require to do all of this themselves.
Doubly so on weekends. Which would, conveniently, be when such a protest could start. The 1st of July is a Saturday. Imagine you being the guy being told "We need you to stay in the office on Saturday playing frontpage whack a mole against our entire userbase. There WILL be porn in there. So much porn."
I seriously doubt reddit has that level of manpower or cronies to spare. The site is seriously not sustainable if they have to do the paid labor it would require to do all of this themselves.
My idea is they have lower quality alternatives for free as well, which are the bootlickers. I'm sure there are many bootlickers ready to take on free labor (and half-ass it due to being inexperienced and/or stupid) who would readily replace existing moderators if Reddit admins allowed that.
It would obviously fuck the quality but yeah.
Doubly so on weekends. Which would, conveniently, be when such a protest could start. The 1st of July is a Saturday. Imagine you being the guy being told “We need you to stay in the office on Saturday playing frontpage whack a mole against our entire userbase. There WILL be porn in there. So much porn.”
Lmao. Yeah they'd have to get many many bootlickers for this hahahah. I know they'll struggle, but I think they'll manage, they'll just have to spend an ungodly amount of effort and probably a bit of those sweet profits on this.
I think this is mostly what's goin on. Also I'd be pretty surprised if reddit didn't have it's own astroturfing force that accounted for a chunk of this backlash.
It certainly has a big astroturfing force. That's the whole subreddit drama with the few centralized mods owning the majority of subreddits. They're basically puppets and megaphones to amplify corporate Reddit's voice.
I believe this was reddit's intention at least in part. People who care were also those constantly exposing their anti-consumer practices and greedy policies. I'm inclined to believe the administration will be pretty glad, at least for a while, that those who get what's happening are gone.
Some subreddits I follow did a poll on whether they should open or not at the end of the 48 hours but the only people that voted were the people that came back to Reddit, obviously the people who actually stayed away for the 48 hours couldn't vote
The fediverse is the way. I’m not smart enough to say if it’s the best option, but it’s a hell of a lot better than a profit driven monolith run by out of touch investors. Reddit won’t implode but it won’t be the same as it was even a week ago. This decentralized structure is what the internet wants to be.
The fediverse has one thing going for it that any other alternative lacks: a credible approach to dealing with the network effect. In isolation, it is very difficult to start an independent social media website. This becomes much, much easier when you have neighboring sites that you can interact with. Federation serves as a catalyst. I've been longing for the proliferation of open source social media for over 15 years. Nothing has changed the state of affairs more thoroughly than the introduction of federation.
the depression I have felt watching the internet devolve into a swamp of corporate silos and ads has been physically tangible. a mass exodus to federated social is the revolution I hoped would happen 10 years ago.
its late, but the wound has been opened on the giant and its bleeding.
One way I'm looking at this opportunity is like email, anyone can set up an email server thanks to how it got established. So if this pans out and eventually we get funded hosts in the vein of Gmail and Hotmail, who spend money writing fancy UIs and on marketing, we still have a fundamental base where we can shuffle away from the big players and go set up our own servers.
I do hope to see some funded options come into this space, they can control/own their interface into the data, but they can't control/own the data.
Server costs, lawyers, management will add up eventually. Ads or other financial incentives will take part in this at some point. The biggest instance, which will have the most funding, could monopolize by defederating others. Though with future account portability it could be made impossible. As in if reddit was the instance, most communities and users would seamlessly move over to others. But right now the risk is real.
Beehaw just defederated lemmy.world and users have to either move with the bigger fediverse of lemmy.world or stay confined to their isolated instance.
New to the fediverse, I notice I can still access my beehaw.org subs. Does defederating mean that users on that instance can't see out? Or does it just delist everything, but you can access other communities if you know the address?
I’m brand new to the fediverse concept so funded hosting hadn’t occurred to me. Yeah, let the big boys throw some money at it and we reap the benefits!
There's also a non-zero chance this is astroturfing by Reddit itself as part of Damage Control SOP.
(For that matter, this instance would seem more along the lines of a weaponized "backdraft", IMHO. A rather simple way to turn the subs against their mods to crank up the heat, eh?)
we have had the first wave - and its gone well. second wave is incomming on or about the 30th - probably smaller, but no less committed (long term). after that its a war of attrition.
unrelated to your comment (sorta), but I just saw your comment update in real time after you edited it. I just thought that's a really cool feature and wanted to point it out :)
While it is neat I don't see it offering a good user experience.
The reason this shouldn't be in here, in a forum platform, is that if you go to the front page and try to read new it keeps bouncing up and down because it's constantly updating.
Yup, it will be interesting to see what happens when the moderation really starts to suffer and subs are more and more full of ads, spam, trolls, and other kinds of problems.
You know I see that a lot of people love old reddit. I was a fan of it 10 years ago. When it switched to the modern layout, I think I was kind indifferent at first. But trying to go back to it after all these years, it seems like a downgrade in many ways. I guess I'm not seeing what they're seeing lol.
Yeah I think they're underestimating how many people just won't use the official app. The people who use Apollo, RiF, Relay, etc. are pretty attached.
I know for me reddit is just the app on my phone that I press when I'm bored now. I figured when the app doesn't work anymore I'll just find entertainment elsewhere, which is how I found the fediverse. Now that I'm here the whole concept of decentralized interconnected communities has totally sold me on the project.
The problem with reddit, Twitter, twitch, etc. as I see it is that they're all just trying to profit off their users somehow. That's not conducive to fostering healthy communities of people. I think this whole thing is the future of social networking, take the big corps out of the equation.
like, if this can exist without corp control, wouldnt we want to try? why is it like pulling teeth with some people to see the benes of more social spaces on the internet
we see what they do with things like twitter, facebook, reddit, digg, and so many more
why do these tech assholes have any credibility anymore. i mean i know why, but its still surprising to see the malding
micro, small, large... whatever size the next wave is, lemmy has passed its first real test. I have a feeling we are going to be pretty well prepared for whatever comes next.
I think the 30th will be smaller, but the ones who do participate will be more likely to go indefinite as users who just can't stand the official app are forced to quit.
Yeah, I’m sure it’ll die down more once the third party apps shut down. I wonder how many people are in it for the social aspect of Reddit anymore anyway, or if it isn’t just a constant scroll and upvote thing.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting about survivorship bias as well. If all the people who supported the blackout left Reddit, then the only people left would be the ones who aren't in favour :)
This is a very good perspective. I haven't been on Reddit since the blackout started. Probably would have gone back as well but the AMA comments were the final straw for me.
Honestly Spez's attitude in general towards the entire community is what drove me away. I don't really care that much about the 3rd party apps personally. I do use one occasionally, but I primarily use the website. However, I don't think the users, mods and developers are being unreasonable here in what they're asking for and he basically just spat in their faces, lied to and about them, and then pretended he was willing to discuss and work with them while his actions pretty clearly showed that he actually had no intention whatsoever of actually doing anything of the sort.
If you're not willing to budge, just say that. Don't lie to my face while very clearly doing the exact opposite of what you're saying. If you don't want 3rd party apps anymore, just say that instead of promising to work with developers and then basically giving them the middle finger when they try to communicate with you about it. That sort of thing shows exactly what he thinks of the community that has built his company for him and that's the reason he can shove what's left of reddit right up his ass as far as I'm concerned.
Reading your comment triggered me a bit about spez and I almost downvoted you on impulse lmao. Interesting thought, makes me remember ancient kings killing random messengers because they didn't like the message they carried.
I checked it this morning, it just doesn't have the same appeal anymore. Being pushed to investigate other avenues does carry the risk to make you realize there are other avenues :).
Personally I ran the Power Delete Suite (https://codepen.io/j0be/full/WMBWOW/ ) and removed my account. I can't vote anymore.
I've installed a Firefox Plugin that redirects reddit links to the cached archive.org version (https://lemmy.world/post/146892 ) so that I won't accidently visit reddit.com
Humans just keep forgetting that in all areas of life. Yeah champ, this 70 year old made it from rags to riches, but there is a good chunk not making it to half of that for many reasons.
I think people are seeing Reddit as their only solution right now due to the lack of awareness of this place. It's been a bit sad to see all the news articles written about the event but very few plugs for alternate options to visit.
Lazy people fearing change is more like it. I’m waiting to see if capitulation occurs. If things don’t get fixed by month end I’ll zero my main account and walk away.
Funny you mention that, I found out about Lemmy specifically from a dude who was being downvoted to hell for even mentioning it as an alternative. So glad I decided to look into it I love this place and the whole idea of the fediverse in general.
I understand that the fediverse isn't the most intuitive thing to understand, and that many people won't immediately understand it, but I've seen so many comments saying that it's too confusing (even in response to direct links to instances with the simplest explanations). There has to be an astroturfing campaign of some kind going on
there has been quite a bit of this - in many venues. I have been involved in so many firefights involving bullshit "what-a-bout"-isms and strawman ideological stupidity that I have wondered how much astroturfing and sock-puppetry was going on. now I suspect there was quite a bit.
I've been telling people, the only way this works is if communities migrate somewhere else. Every single blacked out subreddit needs to post their new location on a site other than Reddit. Otherwise people will just stay on Reddit and wait or visit/make new subreddits.
It's nice how many threads I actually open to read the comments on here, on Reddit I regularly scrolled past 20 or more posts before finding something interesting again, on lemmy it's every 2nd thread or more
This has been my experience as well. I would venture into Reddit comment sections sparingly. It's not like you find a lot of quality discussion in there anyway. Just rehashed jokes, puns, and comments aimed at appealing to the audience to earn more points. I spend way more time in the comments here. I'm just trying to shake the lurker mentality and get back into contributing.
I used Reddit because I was bored and watching tv. I barely interacted. I am interacting on Lemmy. There was a lot of angry, toxic people on Reddit. So I am glad they are staying there
Man, this is true. So far my experience has been less stressful and more wholesome on the fediverse. It feels more like Reddit from 8 years ago than modern, angry Reddit.
ya i just hope we all can keep the energy. just like anything social media is a habit so if a majority of us refugees can just make this shit the new habit, soon this place will feel very similar
i dont need 1000s of reposts. i need some good quality shit and good comments and ill stick around i think
i still have RiF on my phone. but when thats dead, ill only go to reddit for its legacy shit. the help comments and shit. i wish someone could scrape all the info off reddit and put it somewhere else. i can barely tie my shoes so i dont understand how that would work but i just dont wanna loose old reddit shit
You just made me realize I've been sitting here for two hours in a now-dark room and I haven't turned the TV on yet. Fediverse truly is like the old reddit.
I've gotten death threats, Reddit cares message, and all kinds of hate mail for saying my sub should stay restricted. And I only have 167k people subbed. It's intense
I mean it could be either but I'm thinking it's more vocal users. I did check a few of the messages out and the extra mean ones appear to just be trolls in general judging by the comments.
This person can suck it. I was a big time Reddit fan (mostly a lurker) but I decided to continue my boycott of Reddit as long as u/spez is in play and even when he leaves they would need to do a lot to get me to go back. The Fediverse still has some work to do with QoL features but overall it is a less toxic world than Reddit and refreshing to take part in. When mlem and other phone apps really get going I think it will really attract a lot more users as a lot of folks are phone only users and we'll see the Fediverse really take hold.
I don’t understand. Maybe it’s my adhd and lack of object permanence, but I have been so unbothered by the lack of Reddit.
I bought a plant today. I’ve never bought a plant. I bought cats before buying a houseplant. I’m pretty stoked—and it’s mostly because I was scrolling through Reddit that I got up to do it.
I've also found that, for the most part, the type of people that left Reddit have been a lot more pleasant to interact with. I don't hate it at all. There're still a few subs I really miss, but so far Lemmy has been doing a pretty good job of filling the role of time sink.
Honestly reddit quality has degraded greatly in the last few years. I blame it on commercial propaganda (half of the posts are shilling something or karma farming) and original content being punished by auto moderator.
I have noticed this so much today. I pretty much lived in r/hockey for the past 5 years. They had a vote and decided to black out for the 48 hour protest. Once it was clear that the vote was in favor of blacking out (and that the championship deciding game could be played during the blackout), people started pleading to move the blackout to after the championship was decided, which completely defeats the purpose of the protest.
Well, during the blackout, the championship was decided. Now that it's open again, everyone is again flipping out about how pointless the protests were, and how we ruined their experience of watching the championship game.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I generally watch hockey because I like watching hockey. I feel like you might have a social media addiction if not being able to browse reddit ruins the experience. Crazy stuff.
Yeah, I don't mind checking into match threads now and then, but I don't get the people that constantly monitor them, especially in the larger threads where you can barely discuss anything.
It reminds me of people that sit on their phones while watching a TV show/movie. Just defeats the point.
The fact that not everyone is like you doesn't mean they're addicted to something. I don't watch sports, but I play videogames, and I don't like playing solo games because without the social aspect, it's not as enjoyable. Some people don't like eating pizza with pineapple, some people don't like coffee without sugar. None of these facts imply an addiction to sugar or pineapple or anything else. It could simply be that there are people who don't enjoy the hockey alone but for the social perspective. Maybe they don't even enjoy hockey at all by itself, but "commented hockey".
Personally, I like the Lemmy community better. It's definitely possible to find great stuff on reddit (and in particular for news, I think reddit is superior to what I've been finding on Lemmy), but the overall ratio of content : crap is much, much higher here.
Now that I've broken the seal, I honestly am not sure what people are going back to so eagerly on reddit. Maybe just the dopamine of lots and lots of stories and comments to interact with, or maybe they're part of something I don't interact with there.
There are a lot of subreddits for specific tv shows or games. Ngl that's the biggest temptation for me. There are shows that I'm obsessed with that no one else in my life has the same love for, and Reddit is the only place I can talk to anyone about them. Sad to let that go.
Yah, I get that. You could start a community here and wait for it to form up and interact, and do reddit in the meantime (or forever if the community stays on reddit forever)... I actually don't agree that "we" have to "win" by "punishing" reddit for their bad behavior towards the mods and app developers. It just comes down to what platform you want to be on to interact I think.
Hobbies too, especially more obscure ones. I’m really missing the journal/planner subs.
I knew I’d be tempted to go back, though, so I deleted my 13year old account. No regrets and I’m not signing up again. I just hope that my little communities find their way into the fediverse soon.
It's going to take a longer time to fill up the less tech-inclined subs. /c/Self-hosted is growing quickly but I'm probably not going to see that with /c/crochet for a bit. If your journaling sub is unrestricted on Reddit maybe you could make a post advertising the Lemmy community.
It's a matter of number of users. The big subs on reddit just have too many people that it just becomes toxic and a circlejerk. The biggest communities here are very nice.
The niche hobby/gaming/tv subs on reddit on the other hand have enough people to have interesting discussion on the topic. There's not enough people on Lemmy to find enough like minded people on niche interests.
Assuming that this is an inevitable trade-off, I wouldn't mind if Lemmy never attracts the number of users like reddit does.
I knew a lot of people would follow spez and toe the company line, just like they did with Twitter. I don‘t mind, I‘d rather hang out here without all them anyway.
It's crazy, I never noticed before. I wanted to search something about a game yesterday and the first five hits were Reddit threads, the others were clickbait. And I didn't even append "reddit" as a search term. It was a simple search.
no, i know that, what i meant was, specifically, to search for organic content, which is the value of Reddit, that it is content made by users for users, not by SEO clickbait corporations filling the internet with mediocre content. My idea is that there should be other keywords that are not site:reddit.com that also provide a certain increase in quality results for your questions.
I wonder if that is a Google thing (or if you use another provider) I use duck duck go (been doing it for many many years now) and almost never see any reddit threads if I don't search for them. For example if I search for something specific for a game do I get a lot of the games wiki pages and articals from ign or some private persons blog or even videos on youtube. Just for fun did I now search for "reddit api change" there is only one link to reddit and it is almost at the end of the first page with only two other links bellow it 😂
months back, I was trying to do something on a Switch, and could not figure it out. the official Nintendo resources were useless, so of course I found a post on reddit. sure enough, a few comments down was the hyper-specific answer I was looking for.
All of these subs should have been linking to a comparable Lemmy community instead of just saying they were protesting. The simple fact of the matter is that the lemmyverse is not mature enough of a platform to actually be a reddit replacement. It needs to get a lot of the kinks worked out and it needs a much better onboarding. Hopefully it can take these new users and steadily grow and while they grow they can fix these issues.
Yeah, but early adopters will weather the storm. Remember how shitty the Reddit servers used to be? Lemmy will continue to improve and more and more users will find a home here.
Under lots of the "we're back, let's talk what's next" announcements, comments pop up that say basically - "ah well, guess that's it, just use the app, it's great" and they get positive rating, where a week ago they'd be downvoted to oblivion.
I guess everyone for whom this was actually important, has already found an alternative and at most is waiting for their 3rd party app to break.
As another person already stated somewhere in this thread: Many people probably don't realise how bad getting rid of third party apps really is. Yeah it makes all the things like apollo go away, but it also removes many helpful moderation tools and bots made for fun to like the alphabetical order bot. They just can't grasp how bad that really is
Reddit got filled with loads of casual users following the redesign. If you look at most people's profiles they have only had their account for a few years. I remember on Old Reddit, it felt like most people had had their accounts since almost the beginning. And also, EVERYONE knew what RES and third-party apps were and they were all using it.
I just think the userbase is completely different to what it once was.
Reposting something I wrote in another community I hang out in, but it feels appropriate to the topic:
I won't pretend "Reddit is dying" or anything of the sort, but I have noticed something interesting (that is maybe something I should've noticed long, long ago), and that is that subreddits have an insane concentration of whiny entitled lurkers that seem to want content catered and spoonfed to them.
During this whole debacle, I've seen creators and enthusiasts that drive the traffic be perfectly content creating elsewhere because it was more about expressing their passion of a topic than cultivating some kind of audience. No matter the alternative they chose, they have plenty of outlets for their creation. But everyone else hates this. All of the bitching about blackouts that I've seen haven't been "man I wanted to post cool shit" but more "where am I supposed to get cool stuff from?".
In general, what I've seen is a slight decline in activity, but a sharp decline in quality. Comparatively, my experience in Lemmy thus far has been that people creating were fine moving elsewhere to do their thing, and while communities are still small, I've seen a lot more long-form, thoughtful and respectful discussion because everyone there was a creator and enthusiast about that topic. Looking at the profiles of people commenting, they've typically posted at least once in that community already.
Meanwhile on Reddit, since the blackout wore off on certain subs, I've seen a lot of this:
[In the original, here would be an image of a typical current comment thread in a blackout-related post, but the context of it is explained below anyway]
Where people who bitch about the blackout because "but I wanted to discuss x!!" are then invited to discuss exactly that, and the conversation goes something along the lines of
"I wanted to discuss x!"
"Oh cool, me too. I like x y z about it, though I preferred if x was like this instead, and maybe z could be polished a little more"
"Well, idk I like it"
"ok 👍"
or just
"i like this"
"i like this too 👍"
because they don't actually have any proper formulated thoughts or opinions on the subject beyond surface-level observations, brand identity or attachment, or if they do have them, they don't have the drive to create or lead conversations about it and just lurk waiting for said content and thoughts to be delivered for them.
Which makes the already bad state of egregious repost bots rising to the top because people keep upvoting the same topics over and over even worse.
In a way, I guess it's kinda similar to what happened with 9gag when that hit critical mass.
To expand on this, I also find it interesting and perplexing just how far that entitlement goes. Moderators are on the verge of losing critical tools, and they're essential in maintaining the quality of the discussions held. Creators create the topics of discussion, and are the main driving force in setting the baseline quality of said discussions, and as power users are more likely to be the ones to depend on third party apps to create the content people browse.
Both seem fine with the situation, and/or migration, and very understandably go "Hey we feel disrespected on this platform and are moving to x where we feel we can thrive better without external influences deriding our community" and lurkers, who contribute nothing and have the least barrier of entry because they essentially just need to change the url they search the same terms in, stomp their feet and cry "but I want you to discuss things for my entertainment HERE!!!" like two year olds.
Edited to add, here on Lemmy:
I'm hopeful that this situation will show moderators they can curate a dedicated community anywhere with similar (actually relevant) post flow and quality, but without enduring the abuse of the platform they host it in and a bunch of on-lookers. I really hope they don't buckle in the name of "but we're already established / have so many people / are such a good resource" because all these things can be true elsewhere without receiving death threats or mod mail spam for doing the right thing.
im no big brain and i figured out enough to be here. its just laziness. the internet has become a place of big buttons and pictures. that spoonfeed me mentality has permeated everything
All of the bitching about blackouts that I've seen haven't been "man I wanted to post cool shit" but more "where am I supposed to get cool stuff from?".
For some reason, this concept didn't hit me until my late 20s and hearing Lindybeige, of all people, say "80% of people are sheep." And, fuck, I mean it's harsh, but yeah, 80% of everybody seems to be twiddling their thumbs until the grave and just want to fit in and be distracted in the mean time.
I still remember making a post about rules analysis for a particular sport and all the comments I got were total shit. Nobody was there for actual engagement, they were there to be entertained.
Not all lurkers are like that(not really disagreeing with you though) I would consider myself to be a lurker because i only occasionally comment and even more rarely.post. I rarely comment because i know my wording can be a bit weird so most people don't get it at the first read and somtimes I'm not up for a discussion. I also rarely post because i don't know if that specific thing is worth posting or i just don't know how i think about the topic or something weird
For sure. I'm enjoying it, but reddit's downfall really depends on how many divest from it and can join us here. I think it'll be fine because people are coming and there will be guides to help folks navigate, but only time will tell
there will be no "downfall" and i think that attitude will make things harder for a place like this to thrive
it needs to be kinda its own thing. we need more than one place for this type of shit. Reddit is fine honestly. they are a business (maybe a shitty one) but thats the game
it just sucks that there isint another option, so when people started jumping ship i joined em.
i just dont want one mega corp to own the data on the internet as much as i can help it (which admittedly is not much) so this seemed like a real easy way to try
Downfall was definitely the wrong word to use. I want this to be impactful and make Reddit change course, but that can only happen if enough people leave.
ya i get it but i still think the better way to think about all this is that Reddit will probably not change anything, they probs wont loose that many users over this specific thing
but if the people that are here now, just stay here and contribute, that can only be a good thing
we need more spaces on the net. diversity and all that shit. its not good for the internet i want to exist to have only one front page. we need more
I think the best case scenario for a place like this one here is of people stop thinking about Reddit at all.
It's kind of breaking up after a long relationship: as long as you're still thinking about what your ex is doing right now, you're not over the relationship.
I think this place will find its groove once people will have stopped comparing features, communities, apps, etc. to how things worked or looked like on Reddit, and once people will have completely stopped caring about whatever may or may not be going on over at Reddit.
For sure, but I am cynical about people's convictions when it comes to their sources of leisure and free time. I see it in all places. Folks are gonna watch the new flash even though doing so will help Miller's career. Activision/Blizzard has proven to be horrendous and for those that don't care about that, they also underdelivered on overwatch 2. Diablo 4, however, is the best selling game in the series. Even back in the day folks had wanted to boycott left 4 dead 2 only for them to end up buying it anyways.
Things like that make me hopeful, but my optimism is tempered.
I'm waiting for reddit to send me my personal data, so I can make my comments unuseable for anything, I guess they either are wise of it or there are a lot more requests than usual, but I'm done with reddit. And there is more and more big name sites i'm just... not wanting to interact with anymore.
That and I want to completely destroy my history so it hurts anyone using reddit for AI Training, just replace all my comments with markov chain nonsense
I noticed that. I have been really had made a comment saying something along the lines of me disagreeing with mods going public after only 2 days and got downvoted like crazy but not three days ago it would of been the other way. Just honestly done with that site anyway so going to download wikis from the subs that come back and be done with it.
I guess it might be because those of us who actually do support the blackout tries to keep staying away until things changes, while a lot of the people on Reddit right now have been content starved for a few days and just waited for the subs to open again (and thus does not want to see them shut down again).
Personally I quite like it here on the fediverse and am not in any way in a hurry to go back to Reddit any time soon.
The same thing happened to me. Even got called "fucking stupid." That was my impetus for nuking my account once and for all. All that's left on the site are the normies who don't care about what's going on. I miss reddit from 2010. Lemmy is like what Reddit used to be and I'm loving it. I just hope the same thing doesn't happen here.
i mean it probs will right? human condition and all that
but if the fed shit works and the community that makes these places worth visiting can stay somewhat cohesive, we can all just move around. i think the tools for the smarts to figure all this shit out seems more conducive to community first, which i think is unique on today's net
My favorite part of Lemmy is the decided lack of spam and bots so far.
I was one of those guys that browsed r/all on the regular. Just so, so sick of the constantly reposted content and the same same jokes on every thread.
It's not all bad of course, and there are still great discussions. But harder and harder to find.
I've been on reddit almost not at all starting this week. Glad I'm scrolling less out of boredom
I'm getting downvoted in the /r/gis sub for agreeing with the mods that there should be an indefinite shutdown. It seems all that are left on the site are people simping for /u/spez. Some person even called me a "fucking idiot." Glad to be off that toxic dumpster fire of a website.
That's fair. I just think the whole "fediverse thing" will keep the toxic normies away while the OG redditors from the olden days will be more likely to migrate. Old redditors seemed to be more technical minded, so I figure it'll be self-filtering.
I agree though, I don't want that toxicity here. I've already experienced one such encounter on lemmy and was surprised.
Edit: Should have read the context first. I thought you were responding to my editing all old reddit comments to point users to lemmy, lol. My point still stands regarding that.
This change may also be explained because many protestors are still gone. I have barely touched Reddit after the blackout, and the only time I did was to support some of these votes. But inevitably I must've missed some. It's probably a bit of survivorship bias. Though it's probably also partially that people did indeed realize that they can't miss the thing they're addicted to for more than 2 days.
I think there is a strong difference between people who were on reddit before and after 2016. People who joined after were already used to the official app and new website design, they don't know anything else, so they tend not to care.
There are also a lot of lurkers and casual browsers, they also tend not to care.
The ones who do care a are very loud about it is mainly the old school hardcore members who did not have an official reddit app and who never got used to the new design
Yep, a majority of the users never saw old.reddit and are used to social media being a single post taking up a whole screen where just tap and move on. A super majority weren't there for the digg exodus where many of the same issues that are happening now came to a head. Its a totally different group of people on reddit
Leading up to the blackout I had seen some alternatives suggested, joined Lemmy on Monday and have been very happy with the feel of this place
LMAO, what? Protests ain't fun at all and aren't meant to be. Here in my country, it's pretty common to see public school teachers doing protests and strikes demanding better salaries, then get shot by cops using rubber bullets or get some pepper spray in the face. I don't think they protest because getting shot is "funny", they do because they want a real change for everyone.
Also, the protesters ARE (or at the very least should be) aware of the risks and downsides. If the people you work with decided to make a strike because of something they don't like or agree with in your workplace, they are at least aware they may be replaced by scabs or get fired. Likewise, the mods and users who embraced the protest were aware the community content would be inaccessible and they'd have to find other things to do aside doomscrolling all day.
So no excuses here, people got into this because they really want some changes, and those who didn't either: are Reddit bootlickers; aren't aware of the real impact the API changes are going to make or; aren't able to reach much people without staying on Reddit (here I talk specifically about FMHY and Piracy communities)
For better or for worse, spez was correct in claiming that this will just blow over.
People in general are shit at boycotts, redditors doubly so - there's barely any group cohesion or leadership there.
The people who see an issue with reddit's current behavior have left, the others will just keep going on a much shittier platform. As it has ever been.
Yeah reddit likes to talk a big game but generally speaking they're not very good at sticking to anything. You see it a lot in the various gaming subreddits too, whenever a company releases a broken/underwhelming game. They'll spend about a month saying "this is the worst thing to ever happen, this is the end of the company, I'll never buy another thing from them as long as I live" and then a month later it's all just memes of people playing that game and a year or two later it's full of hype for the next one.
I just hate the stock Reddit app so much. Maybe in the future I’ll use it on desktop. Third party apps are really the only reason I was on Reddit so much lol
A mix of the ones who actually care not being active on Reddit, along with astroturfing from Reddit itself. Plus, there's always the counter-protest types that whine and scream about everything.
People are so weak when it comes to shit like this. Nobody cares about their obligations anymore and it weakens the fight for thoes that care. Not just talking about the reddit blackout. Feels like this is the case with many things in life…
Yeah people in general are really bad at standing up for themselves to improve things. Like, a general strike for about a month would probably solve so many problems for workers, but there's basically a 0% chance of it ever happening, despite the fact that all people have to do is nothing for a short while.
I have a feeling many of those critical to the protest don't yet fully grasp what a Reddit without 3rd party apps will look like.
They'll soon find out how shit the base experience is without those apps. And we all know old.reddit won't stay around for long either
It's my understanding that the latest numbers just before the API nonsense put the old and unofficial users only at around 5% of the total userbase. While I suspect that they had disproportionate engagement and moderator numbers, I think most of the people who don't care really are in the vast majority who aren't immediately affected by the change.
Just as with any diversity issue (in this case, a diversity of personality types) the majority is going to find the quality of Reddit content will start to slip as the minority leaves. Failing to stand up for the people who are loudly proclaiming they've got a problem is going to affect everyone, even though it's not immediately obvious.
Also, most of the people who really care have already left.
Too bad, cause this is WAY better than reddit for my use case. I am interacting the exact same way, only more of what I like. I don't really wanna interact with a reddit hive mind one liner pun. I want to interact with human beings.
This place is pushing the envelope. That's a good place to be imo.
I would go proselytize to draw people in, but I literally made zero human connection there, so all I could do is dump random comments. Nah. Let it happen if it's gonna happen.
I guess that people who are participating in the protest are simply not on Reddit right now. So it makes sense that the only ones still there are the ones who don't want to protest and have the opportunity to whine.
I am not a mod, mearly a user of Reddit. I completely support the blackout and continuation after the internal memo leak of Spez. I uninstalled all Reddit apps and have not logged into my account since. Now I am finding new communities being built here.
I have no intention of unsubscribing from Reddit. The recent move that company has taken has made me hostile to them as a platform. I am far more probable to engage over here and just lurk over there when I need to find the answer to something. To the extent that I can I want to help the Fediverse takeoff and replace Reddit and twitter.
Maybe all of those in favor of the protests kept their word and only those who are against it remain?
I don't miss Reddit. I checked some comment sections and holy hell is it toxic compared to here. I think part of that is because of what you've mentioned in your comment.
I used to work for this major company, biggest in my country by far.
Whether it was going well or poorly, they tended to offer severance packages to "cut back" on their staff, to appease the grotesquely overpaid consultants that analysed their finances.
What tended to happen, was that the most qualified people, who had no issues finding another job (often better paying), took those packages (I took home a one year salary after having worked there almost three, then had two months vacation and started a better paying job), which left those who didn't really have other options, those who did the bare minimum and had a lot of useless meetings.
I guess that's what reddit is heading for. They are alienating those who contribute the most, the content creators, the mods and the ones who like to engage others. They will be left with their bots, lurkers, racists, reposters and porn-spammers.
Good riddance.
Completely agree. I'm kinda hoping the substance of reddit just moves to lemmy and none of us will have to deal with so many tools and trolls.
The trash will still escape Reddit. As evidenced by my being here :)
Aww, but you're a loveable trash, just like us. 🥰
Trash gang unite!
The very minor and surmountable technical barrier of joining the fediverse will do wonders to screen out users capable only of the lowest effort.
It's really nice to have this "filter" of a complexity because many people who do that low effort stuff don't want to put effort in even trying to learn a new system (geschweige denn) one of the complexity of the fediverse. If you are ready to go through the process of undertsanding the system you are most likely a valuable part of the community
This comment made me feel better about joining even though I’m slightly confused by it. Knowing that there is a barrier for everyone and that my willingness to learn is a sign of my value being here makes me feel more confident
We're all in this together :)
Good for you! I recently changed jobs to a more stable position after asking for years to be put on full time staff at my old one. Once they filled a position with an outside hire instead of bringing me on full time, I knew it was the end of the road. Now I get paid almost twice as much plus amazing benefits to do about half the work.
I also think the Advertising subs don't care much. You know the ones that are content rich from the posters but actually modded by the organisation the sub is for.
For example /r/razer mods being linked to taking bribes and specific subs dedicated to a brand.
They have nice communities but they'll stay.
I think you are seeing some withdrawal symptoms honestly. People are addicted to scrolling for their next dopamine hit. When that's taken away they get cranky. Add the anonymous nature of being online and things get toxic real fast.
I was IP banned from Reddit so I only got to use it without an account for the last few months. It's very toxic. The front page (not logged in) is so fucked.
I don't miss Reddit.
How'd you manage to get IP banned??
Oddly enough, the same thing happened to my partner. She logged out one day, and then she suddenly could never log in ageing on that acct. Then, she could not log in to a new acct more than twice before it got removed. She tried 4 it 5. Her only comment was saying that she loved the colour of something.
We are stayng away from reddit now lol
I was banned from /r/Android because I prefer a Google Pixel over a Samsung device (yay, corrupt mods!)
I forgot, and I commented using one of my many alts. I was temporarily suspended from Reddit as a whole for “ban evasion”.
My friends visited, who have Reddit accounts, and when they connected to my WiFi Reddit immediately perma-banned ALL of us, including all of my brand accounts for my company for "continuous ban evasion", despite me not posting anything from any of my accounts.
Damn, i want that too
I’ll be real. I miss it for very specific subs. It’s definitely more toxic but small game subs and stuff like that I miss
Poke back and encourage mod teams to move here.
That’s not a bad idea
I miss my smaller and niche subs. I don’t think I’ve waded into the default subs in a very long time.
Oh well, to everything there is a season, right?
Ever tried having a discussion in any of the default subs? If your opinion differentiates from the hivemind you will be downvoted as spam, without any responses. It completely defeats the purpose of a "discussion"
I don't see his it won't happen here. The vote structure is very similar.
Yeah that is true, but it wasn't as bad on reddit back in the day (as far as I remember), it seems to have happened after reddit went super-mainstream a few years ago. So I am hoping lemmy will be like that until it "potentially" becomes super popular lol
What if Lemmy becomes so successful and then it gets acquired by Reddit? Lol.
Think of the big corps like Google, Facebook, etc. buying the competitors for their products.
Then you can move to another instance or host your own. They can't buy them all up.
Lmfao, imagine some corpo trying to buy up all the instances one by one while the users all migrate out of the instance immediately when that happens. That would be hilarious.
The federated decentralized nature of Lemmy and it being open-source means that when this happens the users laugh at whoever paid for an instance and celebrate whoever got the bag and all migrate to a new instance.
See AdBlock -> AdBlock + -> Ublock -> Unlock Origin for a story of idiot capitalists donating massive sums of money only to buy a product that is quite literally drop-in replaceable by design... and Lemmy makes this process even easier than that.
Not getting negative Karma helps I think.
karma gamification is pure, unadulterated evil.
What do you mean specifically by “differ” however?
I miss Apollo. Turns out Reddit itself was highly replaceable.
Memmy is pretty close, and directly inspired by Apollo.
It’s still very very early but there’s a lot of the same gesture features that Apollo had.
Oh I've not heard of it, but that sounds fantastic! I'm in the Testflight for Mlem though.
Ouh nice, I'm definitely gonna check that out. Right now I've replaced my reddit phone time with hackernews (and the HACK app), but long term I'd love to switch to lemmy instead.
It’s getting really bad. I’m noticing there being a lot of comments in subs where there barely were any and any mention of the blackout and what might happen after the 30th is met by tons of downvotes and removal. Tinfoil hat but it feels like there are bots making these bad faith comments.
Considering Spez once edited another user's comments, I would not put that tinfoil hat theory past him.
Could not agree more with you. This has been a very positive experience and has really add transitioning away from Reddit a smooth experience
I think this might actually be the case. Let's see how things work out. Lemmy surprised me as a proper alternative it's just not as content rich as reddit at the moment. Something about chickens and eggs.
Let's just expand and improve it further than the original lemmies did. Don't be afraid to post content, heck scrape content and make this the better option. People will follow content.
I’d like to add that there’s already been a significant increase in the amount of content and comments in just the last few days. I joined a whole 5 days ago (so many ages ago, I know) and back then it was somewhere between 1 and 2k users on this instance. It was way emptier - you could read all of the posts in most of the “big” communities in an hour or so. And the new feed was pretty stale.
Lemmy’s not the firehose of content that is Reddit yet, but it’s making real progress.
Like I normally don't post, but I've started even making root posts in different groups.
This can change fast.
You should've seen it two weeks ago.
It looks like it already is!!
I just switched over to lemmy from reddit, and it is much nicer here isn't riddled with ads and toxicity. I just hope that more users do join over here, since there were a few subreddits/people I followed and would still like to see there updates/posts
Might have to create some of those subs yourself. But yeah, getting the userbase up might be a struggle for a bit.
There's something to that. Hearing stories of subreddits reopen and ask the userbase what they want to do, well, who exactly are they asking? I'm not there, and I've seen plenty of posts from others who are also not there. Are they taking silence as votes against? I doubt it.
I'm going to go back to reddit for a bit, but only to encourage mod teams to setup shop here.
and you know what? I am happier to be around people that keep their word.
Literally. The people in favor of the protests are.... Protesting! Everybody else doesn't care.
tbats one of the reasons we are all (still) here. these are the people we want to be with.
Hopefully the content submitters and mods also already migrate.
That will hurt reddit more than just the lurkers, I think.
As hopeful as that take may sound, it is just not something that I can observe as true.
This post is evaluating the next steps for the protest and currently sits at 800 comments. Of those, the majority, be it a vocal minority or not, is heavily against the continuation of the protest. They are vocally stating their mind that the protest harms the community, is an abuse of power, and more than simply not wanting it to continue, they want others to know that it shouldn't have started at all. I find it disheartening to read, but honestly, it's a gaming community, I kind of see it as expected, awful and immature people is the norm.
But, let's assume that the people who do agree just left, then, right? The loudest are are always the angry people, and the content ones stay quiet. I can make that assumption and look around for them then.
Except, the local alternative here is completely deserted.Putting aside unverfiable places like Twitch, I go and prod other established websites. Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Discord, Steam, even /vg/... Everywhere dedicated to the game that I check, there's no noticeable uptick of people. I can't find people looking to actively talk the game except on other communities within reddit. /r/LearnDota2 and /r/TrueDota2 got more threads than usual. Those people making the comments are frustrated, but the ones that supposedly aren't and are willing to browse around are just... Either still on Reddit, or completely Missing. They didn't go to an alternative community and aren't participating and building a new space. They're just sitting and waiting for their existing space back.
I guess I'll have to wait 2 days to find out if they actually just went out and touched some grass, or if the majority is spiteful of this move and everyone sees reddit as their one and only solution.
I honestly, genuinely think that a "No Moderation" protest would go down better than a "Blackout" one. Some people have no idea the impact the loss of the API will have on their lives and even actively suck reddit's corporate dick defending them, saying it only costs 24 cents to have moderation bots working (ignoring the setup for those moderation apps, while in the same breath saying reddit costs money to run). They need to see what value they're losing.
The local community is deserted because it's deserted. Which sounds like a dumb thing to say, but the community on reddit survives because the users and content are already there. They have no reason to come here if there's no content for them to interact with. But we all know that a minority of users post a majority of content, and nobody wants to post content where there's nobody to interact with it. The ones that post content have to be the first to leave, and then the rest might follow.
No moderation would get them immediately banned and replaced. It's not a sustainable form of protest. It may lead to lower moderation levels in the short and medium term. But in the long term it means the permanent replacement and takeover of subreddits by admins and their puppets.
I seriously doubt reddit has that level of manpower or cronies to spare. The site is seriously not sustainable if they have to do the paid labor it would require to do all of this themselves.
Doubly so on weekends. Which would, conveniently, be when such a protest could start. The 1st of July is a Saturday. Imagine you being the guy being told "We need you to stay in the office on Saturday playing frontpage whack a mole against our entire userbase. There WILL be porn in there. So much porn."
My idea is they have lower quality alternatives for free as well, which are the bootlickers. I'm sure there are many bootlickers ready to take on free labor (and half-ass it due to being inexperienced and/or stupid) who would readily replace existing moderators if Reddit admins allowed that.
It would obviously fuck the quality but yeah.
Lmao. Yeah they'd have to get many many bootlickers for this hahahah. I know they'll struggle, but I think they'll manage, they'll just have to spend an ungodly amount of effort and probably a bit of those sweet profits on this.
I think this is mostly what's goin on. Also I'd be pretty surprised if reddit didn't have it's own astroturfing force that accounted for a chunk of this backlash.
It certainly has a big astroturfing force. That's the whole subreddit drama with the few centralized mods owning the majority of subreddits. They're basically puppets and megaphones to amplify corporate Reddit's voice.
I just promised that I won't use reddit on my phone after the 30.6.2023
This comment is incorrect as well.
The people that cared left and what's left behind is people that wouldn't leave anyway and the strike only bothers them.
This person is living in a bubble and can't see further than their nose.
Survivorship bias!
Absolutely agree.
I believe this was reddit's intention at least in part. People who care were also those constantly exposing their anti-consumer practices and greedy policies. I'm inclined to believe the administration will be pretty glad, at least for a while, that those who get what's happening are gone.
Or even written explicitly to make the point about protests with only patsing intersection to the events on reddit.
Some subreddits I follow did a poll on whether they should open or not at the end of the 48 hours but the only people that voted were the people that came back to Reddit, obviously the people who actually stayed away for the 48 hours couldn't vote
The fediverse is the way. I’m not smart enough to say if it’s the best option, but it’s a hell of a lot better than a profit driven monolith run by out of touch investors. Reddit won’t implode but it won’t be the same as it was even a week ago. This decentralized structure is what the internet wants to be.
The fediverse has one thing going for it that any other alternative lacks: a credible approach to dealing with the network effect. In isolation, it is very difficult to start an independent social media website. This becomes much, much easier when you have neighboring sites that you can interact with. Federation serves as a catalyst. I've been longing for the proliferation of open source social media for over 15 years. Nothing has changed the state of affairs more thoroughly than the introduction of federation.
this comment strikes home so much.
the depression I have felt watching the internet devolve into a swamp of corporate silos and ads has been physically tangible. a mass exodus to federated social is the revolution I hoped would happen 10 years ago.
its late, but the wound has been opened on the giant and its bleeding.
One way I'm looking at this opportunity is like email, anyone can set up an email server thanks to how it got established. So if this pans out and eventually we get funded hosts in the vein of Gmail and Hotmail, who spend money writing fancy UIs and on marketing, we still have a fundamental base where we can shuffle away from the big players and go set up our own servers.
I do hope to see some funded options come into this space, they can control/own their interface into the data, but they can't control/own the data.
as long as we are vigilant for the microsoft method of embrace, extend, extingush/enshittify we will be good.
I look forward to the day of Lemmy IE6 with custom activex features.
This comment triggered war flashbacks in me
How would that realistically happen on Lemmy?
Server costs, lawyers, management will add up eventually. Ads or other financial incentives will take part in this at some point. The biggest instance, which will have the most funding, could monopolize by defederating others. Though with future account portability it could be made impossible. As in if reddit was the instance, most communities and users would seamlessly move over to others. But right now the risk is real.
Beehaw just defederated lemmy.world and users have to either move with the bigger fediverse of lemmy.world or stay confined to their isolated instance.
Why did beehaw defederate?
Too few moderators, poor modding tools, no backchannel to original instance, overwhelming amount of users from big instance.
New to the fediverse, I notice I can still access my beehaw.org subs. Does defederating mean that users on that instance can't see out? Or does it just delist everything, but you can access other communities if you know the address?
I’m brand new to the fediverse concept so funded hosting hadn’t occurred to me. Yeah, let the big boys throw some money at it and we reap the benefits!
It's certainly the best option that currently exists at least.
It's either fediverse or nostr. But nostr is more twitter-like than reddit-like and is filled with cryptobros so no thanks no
Ah, so it’s terrible.
??? It's just a euphemism
It's a fairly common name, like mailman. No need to pull out the sexism card
What?
There's also a non-zero chance this is astroturfing by Reddit itself as part of Damage Control SOP.
(For that matter, this instance would seem more along the lines of a weaponized "backdraft", IMHO. A rather simple way to turn the subs against their mods to crank up the heat, eh?)
we have had the first wave - and its gone well. second wave is incomming on or about the 30th - probably smaller, but no less committed (long term). after that its a war of attrition.
unrelated to your comment (sorta), but I just saw your comment update in real time after you edited it. I just thought that's a really cool feature and wanted to point it out :)
realtime comment subscriptions are pretty damn slick.
I believe this will be gone very soon though once they remove websockets
AFAIK this is true. But expect the site stability to be improved as a result.
Ok that's pretty neat.
While it is neat I don't see it offering a good user experience.
The reason this shouldn't be in here, in a forum platform, is that if you go to the front page and try to read
newit keeps bouncing up and down because it's constantly updating.Ohh wow. Just logged into the desktop site. Even browsing Hot it bounces around. That's not good. I've been using Jerboa app and it's been fine.
Theres already a github issue about this. Think the lemmy devs are on top of fixing it soon.
Yup, it will be interesting to see what happens when the moderation really starts to suffer and subs are more and more full of ads, spam, trolls, and other kinds of problems.
Then the third wave when they finally kill off old.reddit.com
You know I see that a lot of people love old reddit. I was a fan of it 10 years ago. When it switched to the modern layout, I think I was kind indifferent at first. But trying to go back to it after all these years, it seems like a downgrade in many ways. I guess I'm not seeing what they're seeing lol.
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You say smaller, but I'm thinking a lot of people will realise that their clients actually don't work anymore on that date 😂
Yeah I think they're underestimating how many people just won't use the official app. The people who use Apollo, RiF, Relay, etc. are pretty attached.
I know for me reddit is just the app on my phone that I press when I'm bored now. I figured when the app doesn't work anymore I'll just find entertainment elsewhere, which is how I found the fediverse. Now that I'm here the whole concept of decentralized interconnected communities has totally sold me on the project.
The problem with reddit, Twitter, twitch, etc. as I see it is that they're all just trying to profit off their users somehow. That's not conducive to fostering healthy communities of people. I think this whole thing is the future of social networking, take the big corps out of the equation.
ya man thats why im here too
like, if this can exist without corp control, wouldnt we want to try? why is it like pulling teeth with some people to see the benes of more social spaces on the internet
we see what they do with things like twitter, facebook, reddit, digg, and so many more
why do these tech assholes have any credibility anymore. i mean i know why, but its still surprising to see the malding
micro, small, large... whatever size the next wave is, lemmy has passed its first real test. I have a feeling we are going to be pretty well prepared for whatever comes next.
I think the 30th will be smaller, but the ones who do participate will be more likely to go indefinite as users who just can't stand the official app are forced to quit.
Yep, I feel like a lot of people are forgetting about the wave coming at the end of the month. We’ll see plenty more people then.
Yeah, I’m sure it’ll die down more once the third party apps shut down. I wonder how many people are in it for the social aspect of Reddit anymore anyway, or if it isn’t just a constant scroll and upvote thing.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting about survivorship bias as well. If all the people who supported the blackout left Reddit, then the only people left would be the ones who aren't in favour :)
This is a very good perspective. I haven't been on Reddit since the blackout started. Probably would have gone back as well but the AMA comments were the final straw for me.
Honestly Spez's attitude in general towards the entire community is what drove me away. I don't really care that much about the 3rd party apps personally. I do use one occasionally, but I primarily use the website. However, I don't think the users, mods and developers are being unreasonable here in what they're asking for and he basically just spat in their faces, lied to and about them, and then pretended he was willing to discuss and work with them while his actions pretty clearly showed that he actually had no intention whatsoever of actually doing anything of the sort.
If you're not willing to budge, just say that. Don't lie to my face while very clearly doing the exact opposite of what you're saying. If you don't want 3rd party apps anymore, just say that instead of promising to work with developers and then basically giving them the middle finger when they try to communicate with you about it. That sort of thing shows exactly what he thinks of the community that has built his company for him and that's the reason he can shove what's left of reddit right up his ass as far as I'm concerned.
Reading your comment triggered me a bit about spez and I almost downvoted you on impulse lmao. Interesting thought, makes me remember ancient kings killing random messengers because they didn't like the message they carried.
I checked it this morning, it just doesn't have the same appeal anymore. Being pushed to investigate other avenues does carry the risk to make you realize there are other avenues :).
Personally I ran the Power Delete Suite (https://codepen.io/j0be/full/WMBWOW/ ) and removed my account. I can't vote anymore.
I've installed a Firefox Plugin that redirects reddit links to the cached archive.org version (https://lemmy.world/post/146892 ) so that I won't accidently visit reddit.com
Humans just keep forgetting that in all areas of life. Yeah champ, this 70 year old made it from rags to riches, but there is a good chunk not making it to half of that for many reasons.
I think people are seeing Reddit as their only solution right now due to the lack of awareness of this place. It's been a bit sad to see all the news articles written about the event but very few plugs for alternate options to visit.
investor class protectng its latest cash-cow.
Lazy people fearing change is more like it. I’m waiting to see if capitulation occurs. If things don’t get fixed by month end I’ll zero my main account and walk away.
I just wonder if all the anti Lemmy posts I've seen have been Reddit employees
Funny you mention that, I found out about Lemmy specifically from a dude who was being downvoted to hell for even mentioning it as an alternative. So glad I decided to look into it I love this place and the whole idea of the fediverse in general.
I understand that the fediverse isn't the most intuitive thing to understand, and that many people won't immediately understand it, but I've seen so many comments saying that it's too confusing (even in response to direct links to instances with the simplest explanations). There has to be an astroturfing campaign of some kind going on
Probably written by AI even. Trolls can do that now.
there has been quite a bit of this - in many venues. I have been involved in so many firefights involving bullshit "what-a-bout"-isms and strawman ideological stupidity that I have wondered how much astroturfing and sock-puppetry was going on. now I suspect there was quite a bit.
I've been telling people, the only way this works is if communities migrate somewhere else. Every single blacked out subreddit needs to post their new location on a site other than Reddit. Otherwise people will just stay on Reddit and wait or visit/make new subreddits.
It's nice how many threads I actually open to read the comments on here, on Reddit I regularly scrolled past 20 or more posts before finding something interesting again, on lemmy it's every 2nd thread or more
This has been my experience as well. I would venture into Reddit comment sections sparingly. It's not like you find a lot of quality discussion in there anyway. Just rehashed jokes, puns, and comments aimed at appealing to the audience to earn more points. I spend way more time in the comments here. I'm just trying to shake the lurker mentality and get back into contributing.
I used Reddit because I was bored and watching tv. I barely interacted. I am interacting on Lemmy. There was a lot of angry, toxic people on Reddit. So I am glad they are staying there
Man, this is true. So far my experience has been less stressful and more wholesome on the fediverse. It feels more like Reddit from 8 years ago than modern, angry Reddit.
Honeymoon period
and you can potentially replicate that honeymoon period on a wide variety of instances and local communities, each with their own vibe.
And here your one voice can have an impact on a mag or community. Your contributions can grow a community, and change how it feels.
On Reddit, even a small community is 10,000+ members, your voice is drowned out by thousands of others, your contribution is barely registered.
Part of it is the smaller base, but hopefully with more folks coming in, the different instances can help maintain that vibe
ya i just hope we all can keep the energy. just like anything social media is a habit so if a majority of us refugees can just make this shit the new habit, soon this place will feel very similar
i dont need 1000s of reposts. i need some good quality shit and good comments and ill stick around i think
i still have RiF on my phone. but when thats dead, ill only go to reddit for its legacy shit. the help comments and shit. i wish someone could scrape all the info off reddit and put it somewhere else. i can barely tie my shoes so i dont understand how that would work but i just dont wanna loose old reddit shit
You just made me realize I've been sitting here for two hours in a now-dark room and I haven't turned the TV on yet. Fediverse truly is like the old reddit.
My fediverse experience got much calmer after joining an instance that blocks some problematic instances as well. I recommend beehaw.org to everyone.
Everyone on DIY loves my kind of basic project that I posted. It's a pleasant feeling
I've gotten death threats, Reddit cares message, and all kinds of hate mail for saying my sub should stay restricted. And I only have 167k people subbed. It's intense
Do you think its brigading or do you think its a bunch of the vocal users from your reddit
I mean it could be either but I'm thinking it's more vocal users. I did check a few of the messages out and the extra mean ones appear to just be trolls in general judging by the comments.
You can report the malicious reddit cares message and get the reporting user banned.
I did report it. I'm not sure sure if I'll hear back or not
This person can suck it. I was a big time Reddit fan (mostly a lurker) but I decided to continue my boycott of Reddit as long as u/spez is in play and even when he leaves they would need to do a lot to get me to go back. The Fediverse still has some work to do with QoL features but overall it is a less toxic world than Reddit and refreshing to take part in. When mlem and other phone apps really get going I think it will really attract a lot more users as a lot of folks are phone only users and we'll see the Fediverse really take hold.
I don’t understand. Maybe it’s my adhd and lack of object permanence, but I have been so unbothered by the lack of Reddit.
I bought a plant today. I’ve never bought a plant. I bought cats before buying a houseplant. I’m pretty stoked—and it’s mostly because I was scrolling through Reddit that I got up to do it.
I signed up to Lemmy like 4 months ago and dropped off due to a lack of users. I'm enjoying it a lot more now with all the reddugees around.
I like "Reddugees". Rexit is real.
I've also found that, for the most part, the type of people that left Reddit have been a lot more pleasant to interact with. I don't hate it at all. There're still a few subs I really miss, but so far Lemmy has been doing a pretty good job of filling the role of time sink.
Just in case it comes up, bitter apple spray works great if said cats decide to chew on your new plant.
I'm about a half inch from dropping Lemmy here too.
Pick up aviation in the time I'd save.
But. I feel like I'll just pick Reddit up again to fill voids
Hell yes. Keep up that momentum!
Honestly reddit quality has degraded greatly in the last few years. I blame it on commercial propaganda (half of the posts are shilling something or karma farming) and original content being punished by auto moderator.
I have noticed this so much today. I pretty much lived in r/hockey for the past 5 years. They had a vote and decided to black out for the 48 hour protest. Once it was clear that the vote was in favor of blacking out (and that the championship deciding game could be played during the blackout), people started pleading to move the blackout to after the championship was decided, which completely defeats the purpose of the protest.
Well, during the blackout, the championship was decided. Now that it's open again, everyone is again flipping out about how pointless the protests were, and how we ruined their experience of watching the championship game.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I generally watch hockey because I like watching hockey. I feel like you might have a social media addiction if not being able to browse reddit ruins the experience. Crazy stuff.
Yeah, I don't mind checking into match threads now and then, but I don't get the people that constantly monitor them, especially in the larger threads where you can barely discuss anything.
It reminds me of people that sit on their phones while watching a TV show/movie. Just defeats the point.
The fact that not everyone is like you doesn't mean they're addicted to something. I don't watch sports, but I play videogames, and I don't like playing solo games because without the social aspect, it's not as enjoyable. Some people don't like eating pizza with pineapple, some people don't like coffee without sugar. None of these facts imply an addiction to sugar or pineapple or anything else. It could simply be that there are people who don't enjoy the hockey alone but for the social perspective. Maybe they don't even enjoy hockey at all by itself, but "commented hockey".
And that was a crazy game, too!
Personally, I like the Lemmy community better. It's definitely possible to find great stuff on reddit (and in particular for news, I think reddit is superior to what I've been finding on Lemmy), but the overall ratio of content : crap is much, much higher here.
Now that I've broken the seal, I honestly am not sure what people are going back to so eagerly on reddit. Maybe just the dopamine of lots and lots of stories and comments to interact with, or maybe they're part of something I don't interact with there.
There are a lot of subreddits for specific tv shows or games. Ngl that's the biggest temptation for me. There are shows that I'm obsessed with that no one else in my life has the same love for, and Reddit is the only place I can talk to anyone about them. Sad to let that go.
Yah, I get that. You could start a community here and wait for it to form up and interact, and do reddit in the meantime (or forever if the community stays on reddit forever)... I actually don't agree that "we" have to "win" by "punishing" reddit for their bad behavior towards the mods and app developers. It just comes down to what platform you want to be on to interact I think.
Hobbies too, especially more obscure ones. I’m really missing the journal/planner subs.
I knew I’d be tempted to go back, though, so I deleted my 13year old account. No regrets and I’m not signing up again. I just hope that my little communities find their way into the fediverse soon.
It's going to take a longer time to fill up the less tech-inclined subs. /c/Self-hosted is growing quickly but I'm probably not going to see that with /c/crochet for a bit. If your journaling sub is unrestricted on Reddit maybe you could make a post advertising the Lemmy community.
I would, but I deleted my account a couple of days ago. Oops lol
It's a matter of number of users. The big subs on reddit just have too many people that it just becomes toxic and a circlejerk. The biggest communities here are very nice.
The niche hobby/gaming/tv subs on reddit on the other hand have enough people to have interesting discussion on the topic. There's not enough people on Lemmy to find enough like minded people on niche interests.
Assuming that this is an inevitable trade-off, I wouldn't mind if Lemmy never attracts the number of users like reddit does.
I knew a lot of people would follow spez and toe the company line, just like they did with Twitter. I don‘t mind, I‘d rather hang out here without all them anyway.
Exactly. I feel like a smaller community full of more passionate people is better too
The hardest part for me was realizing how shit Google search is without appending reddit.
Someone made a firefox plugin that redirects to archive.org Wayback Machine cache version of reddit:
https://lemmy.world/post/146892
It's crazy, I never noticed before. I wanted to search something about a game yesterday and the first five hits were Reddit threads, the others were clickbait. And I didn't even append "reddit" as a search term. It was a simple search.
There must be other terms. I don't know them but there should be other ways of searching organic content outside of reddit.
You can append -reddit to your search and it hides all non reddit resultsy idk if that was what you meant
no, i know that, what i meant was, specifically, to search for organic content, which is the value of Reddit, that it is content made by users for users, not by SEO clickbait corporations filling the internet with mediocre content. My idea is that there should be other keywords that are not
site:reddit.comthat also provide a certain increase in quality results for your questions.Yeah I kind of overread/forgot about the word organic in your comment but i agree, thanks for clearing that up
I wonder if that is a Google thing (or if you use another provider) I use duck duck go (been doing it for many many years now) and almost never see any reddit threads if I don't search for them. For example if I search for something specific for a game do I get a lot of the games wiki pages and articals from ign or some private persons blog or even videos on youtube. Just for fun did I now search for "reddit api change" there is only one link to reddit and it is almost at the end of the first page with only two other links bellow it 😂
months back, I was trying to do something on a Switch, and could not figure it out. the official Nintendo resources were useless, so of course I found a post on reddit. sure enough, a few comments down was the hyper-specific answer I was looking for.
Completely agree. We need to start building that stuff and contributing more in the fediverse so that can't be a thing in the future
All of these subs should have been linking to a comparable Lemmy community instead of just saying they were protesting. The simple fact of the matter is that the lemmyverse is not mature enough of a platform to actually be a reddit replacement. It needs to get a lot of the kinks worked out and it needs a much better onboarding. Hopefully it can take these new users and steadily grow and while they grow they can fix these issues.
Yeah, but early adopters will weather the storm. Remember how shitty the Reddit servers used to be? Lemmy will continue to improve and more and more users will find a home here.
“I’ll stand by you no matter what”
“Wait, I didn’t realize that I’d be sacrificing as well”
Standard motto today with people.
Under lots of the "we're back, let's talk what's next" announcements, comments pop up that say basically - "ah well, guess that's it, just use the app, it's great" and they get positive rating, where a week ago they'd be downvoted to oblivion.
I guess everyone for whom this was actually important, has already found an alternative and at most is waiting for their 3rd party app to break.
As another person already stated somewhere in this thread: Many people probably don't realise how bad getting rid of third party apps really is. Yeah it makes all the things like apollo go away, but it also removes many helpful moderation tools and bots made for fun to like the alphabetical order bot. They just can't grasp how bad that really is
Reddit got filled with loads of casual users following the redesign. If you look at most people's profiles they have only had their account for a few years. I remember on Old Reddit, it felt like most people had had their accounts since almost the beginning. And also, EVERYONE knew what RES and third-party apps were and they were all using it.
I just think the userbase is completely different to what it once was.
Reposting something I wrote in another community I hang out in, but it feels appropriate to the topic:
I won't pretend "Reddit is dying" or anything of the sort, but I have noticed something interesting (that is maybe something I should've noticed long, long ago), and that is that subreddits have an insane concentration of whiny entitled lurkers that seem to want content catered and spoonfed to them.
During this whole debacle, I've seen creators and enthusiasts that drive the traffic be perfectly content creating elsewhere because it was more about expressing their passion of a topic than cultivating some kind of audience. No matter the alternative they chose, they have plenty of outlets for their creation. But everyone else hates this. All of the bitching about blackouts that I've seen haven't been "man I wanted to post cool shit" but more "where am I supposed to get cool stuff from?".
In general, what I've seen is a slight decline in activity, but a sharp decline in quality. Comparatively, my experience in Lemmy thus far has been that people creating were fine moving elsewhere to do their thing, and while communities are still small, I've seen a lot more long-form, thoughtful and respectful discussion because everyone there was a creator and enthusiast about that topic. Looking at the profiles of people commenting, they've typically posted at least once in that community already.
Meanwhile on Reddit, since the blackout wore off on certain subs, I've seen a lot of this:
[In the original, here would be an image of a typical current comment thread in a blackout-related post, but the context of it is explained below anyway]
Where people who bitch about the blackout because "but I wanted to discuss x!!" are then invited to discuss exactly that, and the conversation goes something along the lines of
"I wanted to discuss x!"
"Oh cool, me too. I like x y z about it, though I preferred if x was like this instead, and maybe z could be polished a little more"
"Well, idk I like it"
"ok 👍"
or just
"i like this"
"i like this too 👍"
because they don't actually have any proper formulated thoughts or opinions on the subject beyond surface-level observations, brand identity or attachment, or if they do have them, they don't have the drive to create or lead conversations about it and just lurk waiting for said content and thoughts to be delivered for them.
Which makes the already bad state of egregious repost bots rising to the top because people keep upvoting the same topics over and over even worse.
In a way, I guess it's kinda similar to what happened with 9gag when that hit critical mass.
To expand on this, I also find it interesting and perplexing just how far that entitlement goes. Moderators are on the verge of losing critical tools, and they're essential in maintaining the quality of the discussions held. Creators create the topics of discussion, and are the main driving force in setting the baseline quality of said discussions, and as power users are more likely to be the ones to depend on third party apps to create the content people browse.
Both seem fine with the situation, and/or migration, and very understandably go "Hey we feel disrespected on this platform and are moving to x where we feel we can thrive better without external influences deriding our community" and lurkers, who contribute nothing and have the least barrier of entry because they essentially just need to change the url they search the same terms in, stomp their feet and cry "but I want you to discuss things for my entertainment HERE!!!" like two year olds.
Edited to add, here on Lemmy:
I'm hopeful that this situation will show moderators they can curate a dedicated community anywhere with similar (actually relevant) post flow and quality, but without enduring the abuse of the platform they host it in and a bunch of on-lookers. I really hope they don't buckle in the name of "but we're already established / have so many people / are such a good resource" because all these things can be true elsewhere without receiving death threats or mod mail spam for doing the right thing.
For the most part, the people still commenting on big subs or r/all during the protests are people who are:
These aren't the brightest minds on the internet. Like you said - the decline in quantity has been minor, but quality has gone off a cliff.
i think #3 is lazy
im no big brain and i figured out enough to be here. its just laziness. the internet has become a place of big buttons and pictures. that spoonfeed me mentality has permeated everything
convivence is KING bby
For some reason, this concept didn't hit me until my late 20s and hearing Lindybeige, of all people, say "80% of people are sheep." And, fuck, I mean it's harsh, but yeah, 80% of everybody seems to be twiddling their thumbs until the grave and just want to fit in and be distracted in the mean time.
I still remember making a post about rules analysis for a particular sport and all the comments I got were total shit. Nobody was there for actual engagement, they were there to be entertained.
Not all lurkers are like that(not really disagreeing with you though) I would consider myself to be a lurker because i only occasionally comment and even more rarely.post. I rarely comment because i know my wording can be a bit weird so most people don't get it at the first read and somtimes I'm not up for a discussion. I also rarely post because i don't know if that specific thing is worth posting or i just don't know how i think about the topic or something weird
I'm doing my part. I hope others do an exodus and not a hiatus.
There's enough content here on lemmy to scratch my itch to scroll
For sure. I'm enjoying it, but reddit's downfall really depends on how many divest from it and can join us here. I think it'll be fine because people are coming and there will be guides to help folks navigate, but only time will tell
there will be no "downfall" and i think that attitude will make things harder for a place like this to thrive
it needs to be kinda its own thing. we need more than one place for this type of shit. Reddit is fine honestly. they are a business (maybe a shitty one) but thats the game
it just sucks that there isint another option, so when people started jumping ship i joined em.
i just dont want one mega corp to own the data on the internet as much as i can help it (which admittedly is not much) so this seemed like a real easy way to try
Downfall was definitely the wrong word to use. I want this to be impactful and make Reddit change course, but that can only happen if enough people leave.
ya i get it but i still think the better way to think about all this is that Reddit will probably not change anything, they probs wont loose that many users over this specific thing
but if the people that are here now, just stay here and contribute, that can only be a good thing
we need more spaces on the net. diversity and all that shit. its not good for the internet i want to exist to have only one front page. we need more
Build lemmy up in spite of what happens. I can dig that
ya exactly. maybe im pie eyed but i think there's enough people for both to be worthwhile experiences
i have just really liked the newness if literally nothing else
I think the best case scenario for a place like this one here is of people stop thinking about Reddit at all.
It's kind of breaking up after a long relationship: as long as you're still thinking about what your ex is doing right now, you're not over the relationship.
I think this place will find its groove once people will have stopped comparing features, communities, apps, etc. to how things worked or looked like on Reddit, and once people will have completely stopped caring about whatever may or may not be going on over at Reddit.
I think there’s a lot of us who are fed up. Reddit was an important part of my life but I haven’t been back since the AMA and I don’t intend to.
For sure, but I am cynical about people's convictions when it comes to their sources of leisure and free time. I see it in all places. Folks are gonna watch the new flash even though doing so will help Miller's career. Activision/Blizzard has proven to be horrendous and for those that don't care about that, they also underdelivered on overwatch 2. Diablo 4, however, is the best selling game in the series. Even back in the day folks had wanted to boycott left 4 dead 2 only for them to end up buying it anyways.
Things like that make me hopeful, but my optimism is tempered.
I'm waiting for reddit to send me my personal data, so I can make my comments unuseable for anything, I guess they either are wise of it or there are a lot more requests than usual, but I'm done with reddit. And there is more and more big name sites i'm just... not wanting to interact with anymore.
Yeah same i just want to backup my stuff before getting rid of it all
That and I want to completely destroy my history so it hurts anyone using reddit for AI Training, just replace all my comments with markov chain nonsense
Yeah me too
I noticed that. I have been really had made a comment saying something along the lines of me disagreeing with mods going public after only 2 days and got downvoted like crazy but not three days ago it would of been the other way. Just honestly done with that site anyway so going to download wikis from the subs that come back and be done with it.
I guess it might be because those of us who actually do support the blackout tries to keep staying away until things changes, while a lot of the people on Reddit right now have been content starved for a few days and just waited for the subs to open again (and thus does not want to see them shut down again).
Personally I quite like it here on the fediverse and am not in any way in a hurry to go back to Reddit any time soon.
The same thing happened to me. Even got called "fucking stupid." That was my impetus for nuking my account once and for all. All that's left on the site are the normies who don't care about what's going on. I miss reddit from 2010. Lemmy is like what Reddit used to be and I'm loving it. I just hope the same thing doesn't happen here.
i mean it probs will right? human condition and all that
but if the fed shit works and the community that makes these places worth visiting can stay somewhat cohesive, we can all just move around. i think the tools for the smarts to figure all this shit out seems more conducive to community first, which i think is unique on today's net
My favorite part of Lemmy is the decided lack of spam and bots so far.
I was one of those guys that browsed r/all on the regular. Just so, so sick of the constantly reposted content and the same same jokes on every thread.
It's not all bad of course, and there are still great discussions. But harder and harder to find.
I've been on reddit almost not at all starting this week. Glad I'm scrolling less out of boredom
Not going back to Reddit ever, too much bs.
I'm getting downvoted in the /r/gis sub for agreeing with the mods that there should be an indefinite shutdown. It seems all that are left on the site are people simping for /u/spez. Some person even called me a "fucking idiot." Glad to be off that toxic dumpster fire of a website.
See, I really don't need all those people to leave Reddit and appear over here.
I'm fine if Reddit keeps being what Reddit has become over the years, and all the angry, toxic, trolling, shit posting people stay over there as well.
I'm fine with a much smaller, much friendlier community.
That's fair. I just think the whole "fediverse thing" will keep the toxic normies away while the OG redditors from the olden days will be more likely to migrate. Old redditors seemed to be more technical minded, so I figure it'll be self-filtering.
I agree though, I don't want that toxicity here. I've already experienced one such encounter on lemmy and was surprised.
Edit: Should have read the context first. I thought you were responding to my editing all old reddit comments to point users to lemmy, lol. My point still stands regarding that.
This change may also be explained because many protestors are still gone. I have barely touched Reddit after the blackout, and the only time I did was to support some of these votes. But inevitably I must've missed some. It's probably a bit of survivorship bias. Though it's probably also partially that people did indeed realize that they can't miss the thing they're addicted to for more than 2 days.
Or maybe /u/spez is manually changing vote counts, as he did before when modifying user comments without saying so.
Spez can count?
I think there is a strong difference between people who were on reddit before and after 2016. People who joined after were already used to the official app and new website design, they don't know anything else, so they tend not to care.
There are also a lot of lurkers and casual browsers, they also tend not to care.
The ones who do care a are very loud about it is mainly the old school hardcore members who did not have an official reddit app and who never got used to the new design
Yep, a majority of the users never saw old.reddit and are used to social media being a single post taking up a whole screen where just tap and move on. A super majority weren't there for the digg exodus where many of the same issues that are happening now came to a head. Its a totally different group of people on reddit
Leading up to the blackout I had seen some alternatives suggested, joined Lemmy on Monday and have been very happy with the feel of this place
God I cannot imagine wanting such a mindless existence. "God" blessed us with brains and most people try to turn them off.
LMAO, what? Protests ain't fun at all and aren't meant to be. Here in my country, it's pretty common to see public school teachers doing protests and strikes demanding better salaries, then get shot by cops using rubber bullets or get some pepper spray in the face. I don't think they protest because getting shot is "funny", they do because they want a real change for everyone.
Also, the protesters ARE (or at the very least should be) aware of the risks and downsides. If the people you work with decided to make a strike because of something they don't like or agree with in your workplace, they are at least aware they may be replaced by scabs or get fired. Likewise, the mods and users who embraced the protest were aware the community content would be inaccessible and they'd have to find other things to do aside doomscrolling all day.
So no excuses here, people got into this because they really want some changes, and those who didn't either: are Reddit bootlickers; aren't aware of the real impact the API changes are going to make or; aren't able to reach much people without staying on Reddit (here I talk specifically about FMHY and Piracy communities)
Thankfully Lemmy has c/piracy
I’m guessing it’s cuz people who actually cared aren’t on Reddit rn tho
For better or for worse, spez was correct in claiming that this will just blow over. People in general are shit at boycotts, redditors doubly so - there's barely any group cohesion or leadership there.
The people who see an issue with reddit's current behavior have left, the others will just keep going on a much shittier platform. As it has ever been.
Same as it ever was
Yeah reddit likes to talk a big game but generally speaking they're not very good at sticking to anything. You see it a lot in the various gaming subreddits too, whenever a company releases a broken/underwhelming game. They'll spend about a month saying "this is the worst thing to ever happen, this is the end of the company, I'll never buy another thing from them as long as I live" and then a month later it's all just memes of people playing that game and a year or two later it's full of hype for the next one.
I just hate the stock Reddit app so much. Maybe in the future I’ll use it on desktop. Third party apps are really the only reason I was on Reddit so much lol
If you do, download the Reddit Enhancement Suit extension.
Or not
A mix of the ones who actually care not being active on Reddit, along with astroturfing from Reddit itself. Plus, there's always the counter-protest types that whine and scream about everything.
People are so weak when it comes to shit like this. Nobody cares about their obligations anymore and it weakens the fight for thoes that care. Not just talking about the reddit blackout. Feels like this is the case with many things in life…
Yeah people in general are really bad at standing up for themselves to improve things. Like, a general strike for about a month would probably solve so many problems for workers, but there's basically a 0% chance of it ever happening, despite the fact that all people have to do is nothing for a short while.
I have a feeling many of those critical to the protest don't yet fully grasp what a Reddit without 3rd party apps will look like. They'll soon find out how shit the base experience is without those apps. And we all know old.reddit won't stay around for long either
It's my understanding that the latest numbers just before the API nonsense put the old and unofficial users only at around 5% of the total userbase. While I suspect that they had disproportionate engagement and moderator numbers, I think most of the people who don't care really are in the vast majority who aren't immediately affected by the change.
Just as with any diversity issue (in this case, a diversity of personality types) the majority is going to find the quality of Reddit content will start to slip as the minority leaves. Failing to stand up for the people who are loudly proclaiming they've got a problem is going to affect everyone, even though it's not immediately obvious.
Also, most of the people who really care have already left.
Eh, I used Reddit daily for 14 years, and quit cold turkey. The first few days were rough, but between the feddiverse and inoreader, I'm doing fine.
Sure the communities I left behind were much larger, but honestly the responses I get here are of much higher quality.
And the communities are growing noticeably too. It's not that rough of a move it thought it would be.
Reddit was my primary social media page for over 2 years now.
Now that it's practically gone, finding good alternatives is hard.
This is why I left, Redditors are just something else.
I’m honestly so disappointed. People arguing that this is all a “powertripping mods” thing. They can fuck off, and scared mods can too.
Too bad, cause this is WAY better than reddit for my use case. I am interacting the exact same way, only more of what I like. I don't really wanna interact with a reddit hive mind one liner pun. I want to interact with human beings.
This place is pushing the envelope. That's a good place to be imo.
I would go proselytize to draw people in, but I literally made zero human connection there, so all I could do is dump random comments. Nah. Let it happen if it's gonna happen.
This is one of many sad reality in life. :(
I guess that people who are participating in the protest are simply not on Reddit right now. So it makes sense that the only ones still there are the ones who don't want to protest and have the opportunity to whine.
I don't care. I'm a lemming now.
I am not a mod, mearly a user of Reddit. I completely support the blackout and continuation after the internal memo leak of Spez. I uninstalled all Reddit apps and have not logged into my account since. Now I am finding new communities being built here.
leopards ate my face?
I have no intention of unsubscribing from Reddit. The recent move that company has taken has made me hostile to them as a platform. I am far more probable to engage over here and just lurk over there when I need to find the answer to something. To the extent that I can I want to help the Fediverse takeoff and replace Reddit and twitter.
Love me, I'm a Liberal.