…How do these people not realise they’re being scammed? It’s… blatant!
It could only be more obvious if the documents were being held by a Nigerian Prince who wanted to send $1 million along with them! I feel like I could walk up to one of these fools and tell them, “I am actively scamming you, but if you trust me with a few dollars, magical fairies will come and restore you to your prime and grant you and those you love eternal youth, life, and wealth,” and they’d give me everything they could get their hands on!
Could also choose to engage with your community and do charity/volunteer work without supporting organizations like the Catholic church that actively shield pedo priests from prosecution. So many ways to do good without also enabling evil.
It would be fun to come up with a grift like this but use the same twisted legalese to claim what they are paying for is worthless. If you can't beat em, join em.
I would worry someone might try to sue you or prosecute you for making fake documents. I’m wondering if I could do a similar grift for the flat earthers. Seems more tricky to capitalize on that but less likely to land you in legal trouble.
Maybe selling long hidden true maps of the flat earth infused with wisdom of the ancients would do the trick. It must also adhere to other conspiracies though, like a Finland sea in place of Finland
I have been so tempted over the years to set up scams for crazy people. Homeopathy, SovCits, crystal healing, Trump fans. My greed is slightly less powerful than the self-loathing I'd endure having to have more contact and immersion in these worlds - to do a good scam, you have to know the domain, talk the talk, and I just can't.
But I don't hate the people scamming these suckers. It isn't like not scamming them is going to help them be less stupid.
Yesterday or so I suggested starting a new sub if this one got busy, but I said the if because with Lemmy as small as it is, it doesn’t need a niche community for everything yet. Someday if there is more plentiful content it might need its own place, but even Reddit funneled most things into r/reddit.com for years.
You guys should collaborate on a hybrid product. Essential oil infused truck nuts that protect the truck (and its occupants) from covid. You could probably work in something about "shielding the vehicle from covid's demon seed" or something like that.
The following is a list of countries which, on at least one occasion, have recognized the World Passport on a "de facto" basis, by stamping a national visa and/or entry/exit stamp.
I like the fact that they argue their passport isn't fake because some bored / overworked customs guy once stamped it.
Their website has a Legal section as well, but I'm too tired to look through it.
They are for sure including countries that have stamped it "no entry." Technically it has been stamped. I'm pretty sure policy is to stamp a little logo and some check boxes onto whatever document is presented, and if it's not a legit document, it is stamped as such.
"Yeah I'm gonna get me a World Passport and get me out of the weight of all this oppressive government, I might be able to get into... (checks notes) Burkina Faso."
On second thought going to a country which has been hit by proper coups, direct Islamic State interference & has legal slavery may actually be an enlightening experience for the type of people to buy this. Splurge away!
It impresses me with how many stamps of entry they actually collected over time. Even if for some of countries all of the stamp samples are for the same year more than quarter of a century ago
You could have your passport stamped at the tourists' office in Machu Pichu (to show that you have been there). I should have got my world passport stamped! (I took a picture with a Lama instead of doing that queue).
I just got a great business idea. World Citizen Bureau of Investigation, LLC. File a World Citizen complaint against any...world citizen. Filing fee of $395.
I'm less familiar with these sovcits but this post got me thinking, what do y'all think the Venn diagram between this type of person and those who complain about "illegal" immigrants looks like? Are these the same nutjob racists or are they a different kind of nutjob?
When you start digging into who is behind the conspiracy, you tend to hit "the Jews" (or a corresponding dogwhistle) pretty reliably, which leads to concerns less about illegal immigrants, and more about brown people.
I had a friend who went from moon landing conspiracism to flat earth, sovcit, Nazi over the course of a couple of years. I called the coming Nazism well over a year ahead of time, and people thought I was nuts. When most conspiracies blame the Jews, I can't understand why people get surprised by it.
That's a bit of 'surprised Pikachu' energy, like what else would you expect if most conspiracies are "[some group based on an arbitrary trait] is in control and hides it"
The exceptions are probably just trollz that went out of control and found real followers, like flat earth
Most of the Nazis don't know what they believe - you look at /pol as an example - haha funny racist jokes - I'm just saying this to trigger the libs... unless you'd be up for a little genocide - because if you're into that kind of thing, I might be too.
A lot of sovcits are actually black (the Moorish Science Temple has a lot of them for some reason), but they all haaaaaate Jews. Sovereign citizen movement has roots in white supremacy for sure though.
The form may be emailed and then printed. By the magic of sovcittery, it is transmogrified from a form to an application when a personstraw man NATURAL HUMAN BEING fills it out which must be mailed.
Same energy over here in germany. People buy id cards stating they are citizens of the „Deutsches Reich“. Of course there are several groups claiming they are an exile government, succesors, etc. and ripping of delusional people. Frankly, no pity from me.
I feel this about so, so many things. I could probably drop ship so many "let's go Brandon" flags from the cheapest print shop and make a bundle, but then I'd be contributing to that brain-melting stupidity.
You kinda want them to manage to get past the TSA so they can get arrested trying to illegally enter another country and have to decide if getting help from the state department is worth admitting they are a US citizen
I don't know about TSA (I've never not used my passport as ID when traveling internationally).
But the airlines will validate your documents before giving you a boarding pass. You have to either scan it into the app or show it to an agent at check-in.
Some countries, like Australia, require you to show the airline a valid visa before you fly. If you land without one, the airline is responsible for the cost to repatriate you. Obviously to get a visa, you'd need a valid passport.
How illegal would it be if I set up "services" for these idiots and took their money? I could even advertise as non-legal documents and "spread the rumor" that they totally are legal, it just has to say that.
I'm sure lots of them would freely give me their money for a "count of iceland"-or-whatever-title-that-was-like document.
It's possible that it's the perfect crime. Because this is definitely fraud, but as long as it's a sovcit going after you you have a high chance if beating them in a court of law as long as you have lawyer. Because they will be self representing and spouting complete insanity. You do have a pretty high chance of getting shot though, so do all your business online.
I'm seriously thinking on it. Seriously. Surely a first-year law student could form a disclaimer that would pass muster.
"This product/service/whatever is not legal for use by citizens of the United States of America. This product/service/whatever confers no legal, uh, anything, in an American court of law."
"Not legal tender.", sort of thing. My god, you could take these people with monopoly money.
At this point I'm tired of being a decent, moral man. Why should I not grift these idiots? Why should I not print up Trump flags and Jesus flags? I could sleep at night taking these idiot's money.
They also have to find you when you get the IDs made in HongKong, The passports in Malaysia, all shipped to Uzbekistan in packaging that clearly says "movie props" where they are packaged up and shipped to the customers with no return address, the website is hosted in moldovia and you only accept payment in bitcoin.
I'm not a lawyer nor do I know anything about anything.
But this is an excellent opportunity to look into shell companies, and forming a double llc. It allows you to keep your personal information out of the public.
Lawsuits are laughable and can be ignored with a lawyer. Unless you really fuck up because you made your corporate seal look too similar to a actual government one, customers suing you would be dismissed or can be ignore.
He talks about getting DOT exempt tags...probably bought from somewhere. They probably do not have a driver's license or car registration, so this is them trying to be like "I don't need them. See I paid someone to print this fake passport up for me with my name on it."
I wonder if they realized how fucked they would be if they managed to leave the US, refused entry at the next country, then refused entry back to the US.
…How do these people not realise they’re being scammed? It’s… blatant!
It could only be more obvious if the documents were being held by a Nigerian Prince who wanted to send $1 million along with them! I feel like I could walk up to one of these fools and tell them, “I am actively scamming you, but if you trust me with a few dollars, magical fairies will come and restore you to your prime and grant you and those you love eternal youth, life, and wealth,” and they’d give me everything they could get their hands on!
It’s almost hard to not pity them at this point…
The Facebook groups have thousands of people. I think the parallels between these people and Qanon are pretty significant.
The best (worst?) part about this… that address is a church
They are being scammed by a church, but is a time honored tradition
Pretty much every one that goes to Church is being scammed by a church.
Some people like the community aspect of it, and doing charity / volunteer work. But other than that you are mostly right.
Could also choose to engage with your community and do charity/volunteer work without supporting organizations like the Catholic church that actively shield pedo priests from prosecution. So many ways to do good without also enabling evil.
To be fair, it's probably a randomly chosen address that has nothing to do with the church. It's not exactly like they're going to process returns.
Isn't that the address this application is being sent to?
It would be fun to come up with a grift like this but use the same twisted legalese to claim what they are paying for is worthless. If you can't beat em, join em.
I would worry someone might try to sue you or prosecute you for making fake documents. I’m wondering if I could do a similar grift for the flat earthers. Seems more tricky to capitalize on that but less likely to land you in legal trouble.
Maybe selling long hidden true maps of the flat earth infused with wisdom of the ancients would do the trick. It must also adhere to other conspiracies though, like a Finland sea in place of Finland
Wait, Finland isn’t real? I missed that memo. Why would they suspect Finland wasn’t real?
You can easily find it as "Finland conspiracy", here's one of the reads on the topic
I have been so tempted over the years to set up scams for crazy people. Homeopathy, SovCits, crystal healing, Trump fans. My greed is slightly less powerful than the self-loathing I'd endure having to have more contact and immersion in these worlds - to do a good scam, you have to know the domain, talk the talk, and I just can't.
But I don't hate the people scamming these suckers. It isn't like not scamming them is going to help them be less stupid.
Hate and intolerance brought on by brain damage (which in turn was brought on by long-term lead poisoning)?
At this point we should just rename the community to InsaneSovCits. Not that I don't get a chuckle out of the posts
I've pretty much taken it over lol but I've always wanted to share this lunacy so forgive me.
Content is content, keep up the good work!
This has quickly become my favorite topic to browse. Please continue
I've been collecting these for years and my friends are sick of it so you'll definitely be entertained. The depths of their crazy is bottomless.
Please share more!
I’m here to suck off the fire hose of crazy please
😂
Please keep at it. This stuff is gold
Keep it coming! Love me some sovcit goofballs
Yesterday or so I suggested starting a new sub if this one got busy, but I said the if because with Lemmy as small as it is, it doesn’t need a niche community for everything yet. Someday if there is more plentiful content it might need its own place, but even Reddit funneled most things into r/reddit.com for years.
Plus sovcits really are insane. It fits!
Maybe some other kind soul will come along and start posting shit from Mom groups and dependas.
I misread it as "country" and thought "yeah that's fair"
Who wants to open a business with me to fleece sovcits who think this kind of thing is legit?
I mean, it looks like that business is already there selling passports. Maybe we could sell them World Vehicle Registration plates?
They have these "Divine Identity" cards they buy too, I'll post it later.
I'm in
You son of a bitch. I'm in.
Sure. As long as it doesn't conflict with my business ripping off maga nuts by selling trump 2024 merch.
Or my business of selling repackaged scented oils labelled as Covid cures.
Or my business selling truck nuts.
You guys should collaborate on a hybrid product. Essential oil infused truck nuts that protect the truck (and its occupants) from covid. You could probably work in something about "shielding the vehicle from covid's demon seed" or something like that.
Dropshipping MAGA stuff straight from China is TIGHT
Would be nice if the merch could re-brand itself several months after being bought
I like the fact that they argue their passport isn't fake because some bored / overworked customs guy once stamped it.
Their website has a Legal section as well, but I'm too tired to look through it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Passport
Wikipedia's throwing down.
Also I had to find this list:
https://worldservice.org/visas.html
They're claiming 191 out of 192 countries recognise their shitty document.
Yes thats a document. A meaningless one, but it sure is a document.
They are for sure including countries that have stamped it "no entry." Technically it has been stamped. I'm pretty sure policy is to stamp a little logo and some check boxes onto whatever document is presented, and if it's not a legit document, it is stamped as such.
"Yeah I'm gonna get me a World Passport and get me out of the weight of all this oppressive government, I might be able to get into... (checks notes) Burkina Faso."
On second thought going to a country which has been hit by proper coups, direct Islamic State interference & has legal slavery may actually be an enlightening experience for the type of people to buy this. Splurge away!
It impresses me with how many stamps of entry they actually collected over time. Even if for some of countries all of the stamp samples are for the same year more than quarter of a century ago
You could have your passport stamped at the tourists' office in Machu Pichu (to show that you have been there). I should have got my world passport stamped! (I took a picture with a Lama instead of doing that queue).
What sovcits believe in is being as much of a stupid dumbass as possible because being intelligent makes you a sheep.
It should be legal to scam people this dumb
Depending on the wording of the website where he got this...it might be .
I mean… who are they gonna complain to?
I just got a great business idea. World Citizen Bureau of Investigation, LLC. File a World Citizen complaint against any...world citizen. Filing fee of $395.
This is not a bad idea. I’m going to rip it off and start my own World Police and World Fire Department.
Our number is 9-1-2..
I feel like we could really do something with a "World Anti-Globalism Membership Certificate"
I mean..
Is it not?
I'm less familiar with these sovcits but this post got me thinking, what do y'all think the Venn diagram between this type of person and those who complain about "illegal" immigrants looks like? Are these the same nutjob racists or are they a different kind of nutjob?
When you start digging into who is behind the conspiracy, you tend to hit "the Jews" (or a corresponding dogwhistle) pretty reliably, which leads to concerns less about illegal immigrants, and more about brown people.
I had a friend who went from moon landing conspiracism to flat earth, sovcit, Nazi over the course of a couple of years. I called the coming Nazism well over a year ahead of time, and people thought I was nuts. When most conspiracies blame the Jews, I can't understand why people get surprised by it.
That's a bit of 'surprised Pikachu' energy, like what else would you expect if most conspiracies are "[some group based on an arbitrary trait] is in control and hides it"
The exceptions are probably just trollz that went out of control and found real followers, like flat earth
Most of the Nazis don't know what they believe - you look at /pol as an example - haha funny racist jokes - I'm just saying this to trigger the libs... unless you'd be up for a little genocide - because if you're into that kind of thing, I might be too.
Schrodinger's Nazi.
A lot of sovcits are actually black (the Moorish Science Temple has a lot of them for some reason), but they all haaaaaate Jews. Sovereign citizen movement has roots in white supremacy for sure though.
Print, write, scan, then email?
They also list their fax number, so you can additionally send a fax for confirmation that they received the email.
Japan is the one that uses fax machines.
Sie haben sicher mehr Erfahrung damit als ich.
The form may be emailed and then printed. By the magic of sovcittery, it is transmogrified from a form to an application when a
personstraw manNATURAL HUMAN BEING fills it out which must be mailed.Same energy over here in germany. People buy id cards stating they are citizens of the „Deutsches Reich“. Of course there are several groups claiming they are an exile government, succesors, etc. and ripping of delusional people. Frankly, no pity from me.
I wish I didn't have a conscience, so I could fleece those people myself and get rich of their stupidity.
I feel this about so, so many things. I could probably drop ship so many "let's go Brandon" flags from the cheapest print shop and make a bundle, but then I'd be contributing to that brain-melting stupidity.
So find the people that are doing it and just steal from them.
They're a big thing in Australia too!
I'd guess, no matter where you are,
batshit crazy ideassovereign citizens got there firstSomeones gonna get their ass rotorootered by the TSA the second they try to go through customs with this
You kinda want them to manage to get past the TSA so they can get arrested trying to illegally enter another country and have to decide if getting help from the state department is worth admitting they are a US citizen
Yes, lets go with that instead.
I haven't traveled out of the US in quite a while but I don't think you have to show TSA a passport but you do need identification to get through
I don't know about TSA (I've never not used my passport as ID when traveling internationally).
But the airlines will validate your documents before giving you a boarding pass. You have to either scan it into the app or show it to an agent at check-in.
A lot of the time (if not always), they require you to use your passport as your ID for international flights
Some countries, like Australia, require you to show the airline a valid visa before you fly. If you land without one, the airline is responsible for the cost to repatriate you. Obviously to get a visa, you'd need a valid passport.
"But I got a visa! See? It's the $500 visa gift card that I used to buy this passport"
Yes, but heavens forbid getting a bank account.
Now I'm tempted to start an online service to issue visas to all destinations for World Passports owners...
Oh to be a fly on the wall...
Hey so
How illegal would it be if I set up "services" for these idiots and took their money? I could even advertise as non-legal documents and "spread the rumor" that they totally are legal, it just has to say that.
I'm sure lots of them would freely give me their money for a "count of iceland"-or-whatever-title-that-was-like document.
Edit: Oh, guess I'm too late lol
It's possible that it's the perfect crime. Because this is definitely fraud, but as long as it's a sovcit going after you you have a high chance if beating them in a court of law as long as you have lawyer. Because they will be self representing and spouting complete insanity. You do have a pretty high chance of getting shot though, so do all your business online.
I'm seriously thinking on it. Seriously. Surely a first-year law student could form a disclaimer that would pass muster.
"This product/service/whatever is not legal for use by citizens of the United States of America. This product/service/whatever confers no legal, uh, anything, in an American court of law."
"Not legal tender.", sort of thing. My god, you could take these people with monopoly money.
At this point I'm tired of being a decent, moral man. Why should I not grift these idiots? Why should I not print up Trump flags and Jesus flags? I could sleep at night taking these idiot's money.
I think if you specifically say something like "non-legal documents". You might even be able to get in "for novelty purposes" some where in there?
You only need them to buy it once its not like they are going to be repeat customers.
But you want them to post to their Facebook group about it so you get more customers.
Cause they will be in jail when the shit doesn't work or they will have lost custody of their children .
"*This item is for novelty and entertainment only."
Tiny print. Official looking text. Hard to read color.
They also have to find you when you get the IDs made in HongKong, The passports in Malaysia, all shipped to Uzbekistan in packaging that clearly says "movie props" where they are packaged up and shipped to the customers with no return address, the website is hosted in moldovia and you only accept payment in bitcoin.
Truly only a citizen of the world could have done that, product is legit.
I'm not a lawyer nor do I know anything about anything.
But this is an excellent opportunity to look into shell companies, and forming a double llc. It allows you to keep your personal information out of the public.
Lawsuits are laughable and can be ignored with a lawyer. Unless you really fuck up because you made your corporate seal look too similar to a actual government one, customers suing you would be dismissed or can be ignore.
I'd be a sucker to not buy the 10 year passport for $100!!
Omg, what a great scam! I could just sell meaningless documents to stupid fucks and quit my job.
I mean, is selling fake medicine for fake illnesses really a crime?
homeopathy you rang?
Amazing thought experiment.
I love how he thinks he needs it to drive through america.
He talks about getting DOT exempt tags...probably bought from somewhere. They probably do not have a driver's license or car registration, so this is them trying to be like "I don't need them. See I paid someone to print this fake passport up for me with my name on it."
I can hear the curb your enthusiasm theme playing when the guy is told it is not a valid travel document. 🤡
I wonder if they realized how fucked they would be if they managed to leave the US, refused entry at the next country, then refused entry back to the US.
Nah that's what the photo ID is for.
this is what I imagine people like this sound like
(youtube direct)
Lmao did you just record this yourself?
No sorry I wish my voice was this animated, this is just an AI TTS voice I made that I enjoy having read random things
I am seriously wondering why they ordered eleven copies. Why would you even be able to order more than one?
I mean, yes, this is scam, but still…
Where do you see 11 copies?
XI is the Latin Nummer for the Arabic 11
I read that as x1, as in the only wanted one time. They're not the same height, so I don't think it's Roman numerals.