If you have to write a long ass post telling users that they're using your software wrong, then you wrote bad software.

Don't want people to think it's supposed to be Twitter? Don't model the entire UX after Twitter.

But I don't need it to be defederated, I'm happier if I have the tools to deal with this (and other similar stuff).

I'm sorry but this is asinine. We're not talking about blocking too many posts about Taylor Swift, we're talking about new users of kbin getting fed illegal child porn in their feed.

Kbin should defederate immediately.

As for the confusion / chaos around multiple/redundant/competing communities and so on...that will get better over time as people figure things out. Honestly it's not that different than reddit with all of its splinter subs like "true-" whatever.

That's true for just the duplication problem, but the defederation / shadow banning issue is not one that reddit has and is pretty confusing and poor user experience for new users coming in.

Yup. People gonna have to move.

Remember when people said that climate change would cost us trillions of dollars? This is why.

So in your mind the only valid reason to not serve child porn to your users is if you happen to be subject to the laws of Poland at the time?

Comments like this alone make me want to leave kbin.

In this case the American and Canadian coast guard spent resources trying to save people after they got into danger, and it sounds like the Greek coast guard might have spent resources keeping desperate people in danger until hundreds drowned.

The tragedy in Greece is an endictment of the Greek coast guard and western countries attitudes towards the developing world and refugees in general, but just because more people's houses are on fire elsewhere doesn't mean you shouldn't put out your own.

No, this feels like a massive corporation with massive marketing and market research departments succinctly breaking down a concept that most on the fediverse nerd out too much to do.

I could be wrong but I think the first click works, there's just no loading indicator, so then you click a second time because it's unclear if anything is happening, and then shortly afterwards the successful response from the first click comes back and it just looks like the second click did something.

The only thing naiive is the people in here thinking that defederating from Meta accomplishes anything whatsoever.

Oh boo hoo, meta's instance is shinier than ours, doesn't that mean users will leave? Yeah, look around, they already will and are leaving for Meta's platforms, they have more users on Threads in 24hrs than the Fediverse has had in it's entire life.

Nothing about defederating changes that.

We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.

As long as servers cost money to run, corporations will need to be involved.

At a fundamental level, it's either

a) run by donations as a non profit, but as we've seen from wikipedia it will be a constant struggle to have enough money to last indefinitely (especially since Reddit / kbin / lemmy cost a lot more to run than Wikipedia)

b) run by subscriptions, which will greatly limit growth, reach, search engine optimization, etc.

c) run by advertising in which case corporate ad networks (like the kind that Meta runs) will need to be involved or

d) have instances that are government run / paid for, but it would be difficult to accomplish on a global scale and may come with restrictions that not everyone is happy with

It sucks but those are pretty much the only four options for running a digital community that requires paid servers and hosting space. Either corporations or some large government organization are going to have to be involved.

The crappy scripts that I wrote while teaching myself to code at an electrical engineering / architecture firm are used more often than the professional software I've built for FAANG and Fortune 500 companies since.

We're not talking about pornography laws that were enacted with no basis in harm reduction, we're talking about child porn laws that were enacted to not encourage and normalize pedophiles and pedophilia.

Some laws are justifiable, some are arguable, and some are completely unjustifiable, throwing out an unjustifiable one in contrast to a firmly justifiable one is not debating, it's childish nonsense.

I'm pretty sure it's just to cut costs / complexity / part counts in lower end phones, and higher end phones will use an always on display.

Though worth noting that the Nothing Phone 1 & 2 include pretty snazzy LEDs on the back that are used for notifications amongst other things.

We're talking about illegal child porn here. Kbin should defederate immediately.

I'm already starting to get pretty tired of people in the fediverse saying shit like this:

What this means to you is when a user within one instance (e.g. Beehaw) that’s chosen to defederate with another (e.g. lemmy.world), they can no longer interact with content on another instance, and vice versa. Other instances can still see the content of both servers as though nothing has happened.

A user is not limited to how many instances they can join (technically at least - some instance have more stringent requirements for joining than others do)

A user can interact with Lemmy content without being a user of any Lemmy instance - e.g. Mastodon (UI for doing so is limited, but it is still possible.)

Considering the above, it is important to understand just how much autonomy we, as users have. For example, as the larger instances are flooded with users and their respective admins and mods try to keep up, many, smaller instances not only thrive, but emerge, regularly (and even single user instances - I have one for just myself!) The act of defederation does not serve to lock individual users out of anything as there are multiple avenues to constantly maintain access to, if you want it, the entirety of the unfiltered fediverse.

Having "multiple avenues to maintain access to the unfiltered fediverse, if you want it" is the most nightmare user experience sentence I can possibly imagine.

A user does not want multiple avenues to maintain access to the unfiltered fediverse with it being unclear when their comments will be shadow banned and not. They want to be able to see a post and go in and comment on it.

Federation is not a feature, it's an implementation detail.

Go find your shitty twisted instance and sit there with the rest of the 4chan incels if you want, but you don't need that instance federated with anyone else.

Kbin, ~57,000 users in a few months
Threads, ~10,000,000 users in a day

I don't think you understand the scale of the dynamics at play. Quantity != quality, but even if Kbin were to take all of Reddit's market share, there would still be orders of magnitude less content than Meta/Twitter.

I shouldn't have doubted Apple's campaign for minimalism > functionality

Everyone keeps talking in analogies like "playing their game" because if you said "we gain nothing by getting a ton of free content from Threads users" it would sound ridiculous.

The fediverse not dying has yet to be proven.

Everyone on here keeps acting like they're in a position of power and the fediverse is destined for success, but here's the thing, it still sucks compared to the content that's on Reddit and FB/IG, because there's still a tiny fraction the number of users. The fediverse is only going to be the great place to have a conversation about stuff if people use it, and everyone rushing to cut off a massive source of funding / users / content while the fediverse is still trying to compete against Reddit et al seems like a huge mistake.