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What can US citizens do to fight/prevent their country enabling genocide?

Talk with people! Discuss it with your friends! Be aware that they might have a very different outlook on this, so be patient with people. Here is a list of things to do when discussing this with people supporting Israel:

  • Don't berate them. These are your friends, not murderers. Direct your anger towards the actual murderers.
  • Ask them if they believe Israel is mounting a heavy disinformation/propaganda campaign towards the west. If they do not believe this, it is relatively easy to prove, see example below.
  • Show them the Twitter accs of Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich. These guys are quite outspoken in their intentions.
  • Show them examples of heroic acts of Palestinas, rather than just Palestinians suffering. This will help them respect Arabs, as that seems to be difficult for many Americans due to two and a half decades of Indoctrination that all arabs all terrorists.
  • Also the obvious things (tens of thousands of children killed, not letting food enter, cutting off water, etc)

Example of Israeli disinformation: They created a fake hamas website (hamas dotttt com) whereas the real website was taken down from all of internet (hamas dottt ps). The fake one was heavily promoted by Israel's official twitter acc and several Israeli government officials on twitter and recieved heavy traffic during Oct 2023-end of 2024. Use the wayback machine or similar for this, I believe both sites are down now.

There has also been many, many other lies by the Israeli government. Find proved examples and show.

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Running free instances is a) way easier if you're a government, and b) gives you important moderation control.

Also, a government running an instance that allows and promotes material that is very critical of said government could very well happen. It might sound contradictory, but allows for future control over "problematic" movements, if the need ever occurs.

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I respectfully disagree. Note that we are talking about holocaust denialism, not holocaust support. The first is just very dumb, whereas the latter is morally despicable.

In other words: Supporting a crime against humanity is never an option. Denying a crime against humanity is always an option.

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I am probably just as steadfast as you, but I try to understand the views of the opposite side. You seem to do that too, given that you're discussing with me. That is appreciated.

To answer your question: Yes it is still obviously genocide even if it is in retaliation. There are many legitimate ways of retaliating against a militant group - starving an entire population is not one of them. Israel could be conducting this war in a very different way.

Then why don't they conduct the war in a very different way? Because they want to get rid of Gaza's population, I say. See this, for example (although just reports for now): https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-reportedly-developing-plan-to-resettle-1-million-gazans-in-libya/ which also points towards the US complicity in the genocide. 1 million Gazans aren't Hamas fighters. 1 million Gazans are just arabs/muslims, and that's apparantly enough reason to force them from their homeland?

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Paste of part of my answer from another reply:

Imagine if Alice is a murderer, and she asks Bob if she should kill two people or five people. Bob says “five”. Now, I will of course be angry at Bob for choosing the obviously worse alternative, but I will in no way claim that he is the cause of the problem. I will not go out and rally support for “Only two people”, I will rally support for “Let’s get rid of Alice”.

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In my example I very clearly am rallying against Alice. In every possible way. I would be fuming, throwing stones, screaming to everyone around me. But I would not accept her proposition to Bob. I would not claim that I "have" to play Alice's game, because she's in charge and I have to accept that. I don't have to accept that. At all.

I would do everything I could to stop her, and almost all of my Anger would be towards her, not towards Bob (I obviously would be angry with him too but he's after all not a murderer - Alice is).

Keep in mind that in the example, Bob probably believes for some reason that when Alice says two, she means ten.

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You almost get me!

Vote for whoever you want! What I am saying is that your anger towards your peers who happened to indulge in different propaganda and voted for something different is misdirected.

The voters are not the problem.