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The response of a fool when he has no answer to give, I'll take my victory lap. .

A coup is a coup is a coup is a coup.

Only true when one doesn't understand what a coup actually is.

The West necessitate a strongman leader, elected or not

This is the scary story your strongman leader tells you, only strong daddy Putin can protect you from the evil west. He makes you fear the western boogy man who wants to steal your resources, but don't be afraid because daddy Putin is strong. While you cucks are cowering at the thought of your precious resources being taken by the west, Putin and his mafia are robbing Russia's resource wealth blind buying super yachts and London mansions. Everything is the fault of the west, don't look at your kleptocratic leader too closely.

The Russian deal offered to Yanukovic was not objectively better than what the EU was offering, some short term benefits were not better for Ukraine than the EU deal in the long term. The Ukrainian people wanted out of the Russian sphere and the dead end lack of development that offered. Ukraine looked at the success of Poland in the EU and decided that is the future they wanted. They wanted that future so badly they are willing to fight and die to earn their divorce from Russia and Russia can't handle this further loss of standing.

And if a broken campaign promise makes justification for the overthrow of an elected leader, then every elected leader in America should be run out of

You use America and it's simulation of democracy as your example because you know that governments collapse and get thrown out all of the time in Europe then the ruling parties break election promises and lose their mandate. We don't get to the point of popular uprisings because when governments realise they have lost the support of the people they stand down and call early elections for the peaceful transfer of power. Yanukovic, under his puppet masters instructions, tried to cling to power despite losing the support of the people and the popular uprising followed.

You and I have had discussions before regarding the differences between a popular uprising and a coup. Despite being corrected and educated on the difference, you carry on calling it a coup. You must not be allowed to deviate from your script.

Get out of here talking about democracy bootlicker. Russia has had the same dictator in power for 26 years now and arrests citizens that hold up blank sheets of paper. Your warped Russian "democracy" is not the same as ours. If we don't like our leaders we will protest and have new elections, the Russian puppet Yanukovic was forced out when he betrayed his own election promises to the people, funny how that only bothers you when it's Zelensky. You meek Russian cucks wouldn't understand this, you just prefer to bend over and take it from a bald stump of a man.

Russia doesn't need anyone's help to make people anti-russia. The thieving warmongering orcs are doing a good enough job all by themselves.

I never claimed to be an authority on Marxism, although I am flattered you think I am one. Marxism is an outdated economic philosophy that sounds lovely but has more plot holes than a Fast and Furious movie. I know enough about it to be sure that it would not work due to its ridiculous assumptions about society and human nature. Then there is you who holds Marxism up as a universal truth right up there with the Laws of Thermodynamics or the Theory of Relativity.

I was never a "coloniser" of Hong Kong, just an immigrant living in what was a fantastic international city with my wife whose parents are from there, along with her family that still live there. What an idiotic attempt to disparage me and then try and use that to disparage my own views on socialism as an Irish person.

The critical importance of them being the same class is that they both share a collective interest as a class, that interest being collectivization of production and distribution

This is another one of your fallacies, this is where theory and reality clash and you can't handle it. The doctor on $150,000+ is not nearly as incentivised as the farmer/worker on $5000. The doctor is at the top end of society and would like to stay that way. If communism was fully implemented tomorrow the next day you will quickly find all the doctors have emigrated unless you build a wall to keep them in. We all know the Chinese government is not above targeting the families of dissident emigrants, what a great system of government, imagine how much worse this will have to get?

This does not mean variance within a class is sufficient to be a class of themselves.

In your flawed opinion....

The types of workers that most occupy the CPC do tend to be more educated, and therefore make more money, it's true, but this is not a bad thing

You sound an awful lot like a capitalist here!

The working poor are not "fed some bullshit

Yes they are, as the factory owners steal their surplus labor.

Who cares if some few capitalists get wealthier if the whole of society prospers?

Again, spoken like a true capitalist!

Your arguments about "human nature" are, frankly, childish and absurd. Again, you make a mockery of yourself, thinking Marx never accounted for incentives.

If my arguments are childish and absurd they should be easy to argue against. You don't even try, resorting to ad hominem attacks, that's low buddy. Marx did account for incentives, badly, especially in light of everything we have learned in the last 150 years regarding human psychology.

You discredit the "comical idea of equal pay" instead of realising that this is a simplified explanation of the end stage of communism. Once the productive forces are so advanced that pay is no longer required we are at a situation where regardless of your job you get the same as everyone else. As someone who worked hard to get a well paid job, I would be out of my country if they tried pull that bullshit on me. This is the competitive nature of humans, why does some lazy asshole deserve the same as me when I work my hole off?

is a hypothesis of an era where production and distribution is so advanced that anyone, regardless of background, is sufficiently trained to perform any act of labor in society and thus all labor be interchangeable.

So when all the brain surgeons leave, Larry the farmer out in the field can interchangeably perform the brain surgery. Do you even read what you are writing? The plot holes are everywhere. Modern society is so much more specialised now than in the days of Marx.

You then continue to embarrass yourself by claiming China has been an imperial power for its entire history, ignoring the century of humiliation when it was a colony

Again your lack of historical knowledge is showing, China was never fully colonised by the Europeans during the century of humiliation. The Japanese did colonise parts of China for a few years last century. This also does not invalidate the fact that China was an imperial power. Losing a war does not erase the past or future, China has been blobbing out across the map since it began in the heartland. Xinjiang and Tibet are two of China's more recent colonial expansions where they are actively committing cultural genocide and locking up the local Uyghur population in "re-education" centres. As you point fingers at western colonialism, pay attention to the 3 fingers pointing back at yourself you hypocrite. "Annexing territory is not imperialism" sure buddy, the Chinese people just needed lebensraum right?

You occupy a stance that despices Marxism and Marxists

I do not despise Marxism, as I said before it is a noble idea and a good starting point, but absolutely unworkable in real life. I do despise fanatical modern Marxists in a similar way to religious fanatics because it takes over their whole world view and ego. When the plot holes are pointed out they tend to defend the indefensible because their whole world will crash down if they can no longer be a Marxist.

Regarding trade unions, the All China Federation of Trade Unions is extremely effective at supporting worker rights

Which is why Chinese workers work in such shitty conditions with long hours and no work life balance? It is because the ruling party can accept no challenge to their absolute authoritarian control.

Discussion of June 4th is not censored,

the ones that are persecuted are the ones that uplift the color revolution as a good thing

You have just contradicted yourself. Ceremonies rembering those that died in the heavy handed crackdown are a threat to the government.

It isn't a lengthy period of sacrifice for an eventual 180 pivot to communism, it's a gradual process of constant improvement that results in higher degrees of socialization:

This is the lie that is sold to placate the poor working class. Your great grandchildrens lives will be better if you just sacrifice for the good of the country. Wealth inequality in China has only been increasing rapidly in the last 30 years, this doesn't sound like constant improvement to me? You say "workers wages have skyrocketed" this is true with the caveat that when you start from such a low starting point the initial gains are easy and look impressive in percentage terms, let's see what happens now that the Chinese economy is slowing down and aging rapidly with increased global protectionism. My bet is the current trend in China of the wealthy getting wealthier will continue. I am not going to read your religious pamphlet and do not expect to convince you either because you have drank the kool aid of fundamentalism.

You make it sound like more political parties would be a bad thing. It's crazy to me that in a country of 350 million people you can either be one thing or the other and that somehow neatly represents the two differing views you are allowed to have on society.

Ukraine has as of today struck Russian oil refineries and major fuel facilities 158 times since the start of the full scale invasion. The strikes have targeted 24 of Russia's 33 major oil refining facilities. Ukraine has hit the Ryazan and Saratov facilities at least 15 times each.

Lil bro has been schooling big bro in the war since the greedy orcs stupidly crossed the border 5 years ago. Every time Ukraine strikes an important Russian military target, Russia responds with limp dick civilian attacks, a childish tantrum that does not affect Ukraine's ability to wage war. Zelensky is in the driver's seat, Putin's reaction is pathetic.

You guys always find it hard to resist throwing stones from your glass house. Stiff upper lip, keep calm and carry on old chap. I suppose in the long term we will know if it was worth cutting yourself off from the worlds biggest free trade zone right on your doorstep for blue passports. Time will tell....

The most infuriating part about talking to people like yourself is the cherry picking of points that you feel able to respond to and the proud finish like you have proven something. Your responses are surface level and don't stand any degree of scrutiny.

You say that professionals are still workers, while technically true, a doctor in Beijing making $150,000 and a factory worker or farmer making 7,500 a year are not a homogeneous group and certainly have different motivations and views on how society should be made up. Those on the top in any system will always resist change. As I mentioned in my previous comment, the CPC is dominated by the more highly paid professional workers.

So while you guys claim China is a beacon of communism you fail to disclose how early China is in the "transition" to true communism. You fail to mention there are different classes based on wealth, with the Hukou system being one of the factors along with the wage setting that bakes that into the system. The wealthy in China live very well on their high wages while the majority do not. These wealthy elites as I mentioned make up 2/3 of the CPC membership and use their power to enshrine their position in society. All the while the poor working majority are fed some bullshit about the wonderful path to communism they are on with the promised land just around the corner just out of reach. It's just as much bullshit as the American dream. The wealthy will end up in control of China just as they have done in America because it is human nature.

You claim I am basing this claim on vibes but my claim has evidence, unlike the transition to communism. My claim is based on what has happened in every civilization we know of since history began. Society will always stratify, there will always be those that seek power and wealth. Society organises this way right down to the small scale. When Marx was coming up with his ideas there was no such thing as modern psychology. The promised land of full communism will never work because if you have no financial incentive to work cleaning toilets no one would do it. Similarly why would a doctor brilliant enough to hit the top of his field stay in a country that gives him the same pay as the toilet cleaner when his talents would give him a much better life anywhere else in the world?

European, developed imperialist countries enjoy better safety nets because they are higher developed countries and pilfer the global south of their surplus value.

My own country of Ireland was not an imperialist country and did not pilfer any countries of their surplus value. We enjoy some of the strongest social safety nets in the world and have much lower inequality that China, Ireland's gini coefficient is .27, China's is somewhere between .36 to .47. You lads are always unaware or try to hide the obvious fact that China has also been an imperial power for its entire history, their most recent acquisitions of Tibet in 1951 and Xinjiang (literally translates to "new region/territory) in 1949.

This rejection of economics as a science on your part causes you to make all sorts of ridiculous comparisons, and really calls into question your supposed scientific background.

I did not reject economics as a science, I correctly stated that economics is a social or "soft science" like sociology, in contrast to the "hard sciences" of physics, chemistry or biology. Economics does use some scientific methods like statistical data, models and observation but does not have repeatable experiments or universal laws. My degree is in the hard sciences, but I do respect economics as a discipline when they are not trying to mascerade as a hard science.

The All-China Federation of Trade Unions is the largest federation of trade unions in the world

So? Doesn't make it a good or real trade union

The reason they do not allow independence from this is because they do not want to give capitalists levers to manipulate against the socialist system and promote disunity

You do not seem to understand what trade unions do, trade unions advocate for workers rights and provide a way for workers to collectively bargain with their employer. I don't know how you think this lever can be used by capitalists to upset socialism. If anything the current system suits the current Chinese capitalist class. We all know that trade unions are an alternative power base for socialism that the ruling class won't stand for. There you go again manipulating reality to suit your opinion.

Wages for workers have been going up in China, this looks impressive but when you take into account the extremely low starting point it is easy to "skyrocket" and they have not kept pace with GDP growth. The wage increase has also been more pronounced for the capitalists and the elites in China. China's domestic consumption is also pitifully low and has remained low for years, despite what the government claims.

Tian'anmen Square is a famous site and isn't censored,

Interesting choice of language there refering to the site. Discussion of Tianemen Square or June 4th is heavily censored on China's heavily censored version of the internet. Public or private memorial services for the victims are illegal on the mainland. Relatives of those killed are banned from visiting cemeteries around the 4th June. Activists, artists or citizens who attempt to bring up the crackdown are frequently arrested and charged with subversion and the annual candlelight vigyl At Victoria park in Hong Kong has now been outlawed with local activists being prosecuted. What are you lying for?

There are better places than a Lemmy comment to learn how economics has advanced in the last 150 years and one comment is not enough to explain to you all of the changes in that time. Those "new classes" I have brought up have very different motivations to the common worker and sit above them in the stratified system in operation currently in China. These people also hold 2/3 of the CCP membership and unless you are stupid and blind you should see how they benefit from the status quo. The promise of "real communism.....someday..." Is the new opiate of the masses in modern China. It allows the oligarch class to keeps workers working long hours in awful conditions. You defend "communist China" while wealth inequality and structural wage-wealth gaps have continued to rise sharply in recent years. The recent slow economy and depressed property market has only exacerbated this. The Gini wealth coefficient has "skyrocketed", to borrow your phrase, from .45 in 1995 to .70 in 2023. The top 10% in China capture 41% of income and hold 67% of the wealth. The bottom 50% get about 15% of the income. Marx would not approve. Your own personal bias and myopia has made you delusional.

A coward would say nothing, Zelensky is calling out the shitty tactics trump and the Americans are using to try and force him to the table and accept the shitty terms they are offering to end the war. This is what a real leader does, I would have thought the Russians would have figured out by now that Ukrainians don't go down without a fight. Trump and Putin are two men who have never been in a real fight in their lives.

Compare this with Vladimir Putin, cosplaying in his military outfit from his bunker reviewing the maps of fake victories of his Russian soldiers. Even the Russian military mappers are starting to call out this delusional BS.

Only one team came to the final to play football, Spain had 20 shots 12 on target, Argentina had 2 shots with none on target in 120 mins of football. Argentina came to spoil the game and hoped to steal it on penalties. If I was an Argentina fan I would be embarrassed by the team and even more so by their petelent display at the end physically assaulting the Spanish players. The Argentinians had no right to be that upset, they were never in the game.

Football was the real winner.

Israelis have been actively slaughtering innocent women and children in Palestine for years now with the public cheering on, they have started an unprovoked war with Iran by bombing a school killing 150 little girls. This is just a tiny sample of Israel's recent crimes. Is it any wonder the world has little sympathy for them? About the same amount that we had for the Nazis after all of their war crimes. Get fucked Israel, go eat several bags of dicks.

I'm no fan of Zionists but what you are doing is attacking and attempting to discredit the source to distract from the message that they are trying to push.

The story here is the attempted cultural genocide of the Tibetan people by the Chinese government. I come from a nation that has almost lost its language as a result of similar colonial cultural genocide. This issue may not be real or important to you but it is an attempt to destroy a nation's cohesion and identity.

The real question for me is why are you trying to discredit an article on this, what is your agenda here Riverside?

The war criminals will keep committing war crimes as long as they are allowed to without punishment. Russia was kicked out of international sporting events and the Eurovision for less crimes against humanity than Russia.

Russia are obviously also scumbags but we should at least be evenhanded in our condemnation of Israel lest we look like the hypocrites our governments clearly are.

Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses

Still no meaningful sanctions on Israel. The blood of this genocide is as much on the hands as those who could have done something to stop it but chose not to. Every single leader in the EU and USA will be remembered by history for this.

What would the USA be in this scenario. Never forget the USS Liberty and remember that is was Israeli secret services that presented the "evidence of WMDs" to the GW Bush administration that got the USA embroiled in the Iraq war.

It's almost like that was the whole point of the operation. To quote the first British governor of Jerusalem, Sir Ronald Storrs, the plan was to create "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism".

It was always colonialism.

You can see how hard the Russian marketing guys are working trying to spin Putin's historic miscalculation into something resembling victory. Pathetic.

Since you are the one so abhorred by the deaths of children and the deaths of 36 on October 7th can you use the same logic to demonise Israel. Israel has murdered at the lowest estimate 20,000 and the upper end 50,000 Palestinian children. This means Israel has murdered 555-1389 times the amount of children that Hamas has.

When you are slaughtering children at hundreds to thousands of times the rate of a terrorist organisation like Hamas to the tune of 10s of thousands of children how do you and the "moral" IDF not stop and ask yourselves, "are we the baddies?"

You absolutely are.