What. I still rember the article about the Monkeys Musk butchered with his Microchips! This was terrifying and disgusting and now he is allowed to do this to humans?! WTF.
Regulatory capture at work. If you're the second-richest man in the world and a darling of the far right to boot, they'll let you do pretty much whatever you want.
The inventor of Sarin Gas. Supported by the Nazi regime and incumbent Government, probably had a few people that didn't think his goals were a good idea.
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You don't have to worry about that, It's an Elon Musk owned product, he already solved that with TwiXer. He just has to make sure that Nazi's can send their propoganda to your brain, and then advertisers will stay very far away from the neuro link.
Neuralink aims to help people with paralysis communicate by allowing them to remotely control devices using brain activity. In the future, Neuralink may help enhance user memory and cognitive abilities, restore a user's motor, sensory and visual functions as well as treat neurological disorders.
It’s for paralyzed people and neuralink isn’t the only company researching the technology. I swear, where the fuck do you people get your information from, and how do you just never bother to google it to see for yourselves?
No, Neuralink is for stupid Elmo fanboys to waste money and health on and allow Elmo to continue executing his fascist anti-human agenda. And yes, other companies actually try to make devices that will help people. It's not about the technology, it's about that motherfucking shit-golem and the way he treats people (hint: like expandable cheap renewable resources).
But if you like that fuck so much, I hope you'll be one of the people leaving Earth and following him to Mars.
I actually can't wait that day to happen. We used to joke how great it would be to put all fascist into a space rocker and launch them into space, and it will soon not only become reality, but the stupid fucks will go willingly. Perfect!
"Your subscription to arm control has expired. Please wiggle your eyebrows in a lewdly suggestive manner to pay subscription fee plus $69 lateness surcharge and a $420 because we can addendum"
Yes, but only the lucky ones win death in a raffle (1 in a 1000). The rest are shipped to mines. And their memories are not wiped clean, because the suffering is the integral part of such economy.
you can sign a contract to allow me to bludgeon you to death, but it's still murder regardless of your consent
I agree this is the current law. But I certainly don't agree with this law. Do you?
I feel people should absolutely be allowed to consent to death, or potential death. And I mean, we already can in various other contexts like skiing in avalanche terrain, ordering too many big macs, or medically assisted suicide to prevent suffering from incurable conditions (at least in a few civilized places).
You're talking to someone whose wife died 4 months ago (at 34 years old), from one of those incurable conditions. I'll let you guess how I feel about allowing people to end their life on their terms.
I'm confident you strongly support allowing it as I have never met someone who witnessed a loved one suffer like that and does not support lessening their suffering.
So since you support allowing people to end their own lives in that context, you understand that people can indeed consent to death. So perhaps consenting to death should be permitted in other contexts too. That's the only point I was making.
The same way we assure people consenting to anything at all are not being forced to. We try our best basically. And sometimes we'll probably get it wrong and need to improve. I'm completely ok with that when the alternative is guaranteed preventable suffering. Just like I'm ok with people using power of attorney to protect the finances of people with dementia, even if sometimes it gets misapplied.
I will one up you. I'd like to see something that shows body temperature, 02 saturation, and heart rate. Needs to be about the size of a grain of race and implanted in us right after birth. DING, your child has a fever. DING, your child is suffocating in their sleep.
I want you to think long and hard between the differences between not getting protection against a deadly, highly transmissible disease and not getting an iPhone implanted in your skull.
I'll give you a hint. Only one of them actually endangers lives.
Do you know that if you decide you're too cool for a jab that has been tested on literal billions of people and proven safe and effective in over 99.9% of cases, and end up getting COVID, not only could you be stuck with "long COVID" complications for life but you could also spread the disease to someone immunocompromised who isn't eligible for the shot and will almost certainly die from it?
I could dig up several reputable sources to corroborate everything I just said, but first I'd like to ask if you have even one that calls it into question.
Give me one reason for not getting the shot besides opposing everything the government does because you want to feel like a special boy.
Ahh, you can trust the guy who single-hand-idly drove twitter into the ground and pushed a shit sheet metal meme car. He doesn’t know anything about anything, but you can trust him with brain surgery.
Really though, anyone that thinks this is a good idea and signs up for testing probably deserves the lobotomy they’re going to end up with.
There is at least one fanboi in this thread that totally deserves it. Getting the implant should be required in order to allowed buy a Cybertruck. Dead drivers of apocalyptical death-cars are way less dangerous than the alive ones.
Man, I don't know what right wingers y'all are talking about.
I come from a super right wing family and all them MFs think this is a bad idea too (though to be fair, they're def on the conspiracy theory "everything is to get a microchip in my blood/brain" side of things).
That and anyone who explains to the left that they too would like a better nominee, but we can figure that out after this crucial election cycle...during every election cycle for their entire life, which are the only times they discuss politics.
Nobody said anything about FAR right. In fact, you're the one who's characterizing people as extremists for disagreeing with you, a typical centrist move.
I suppose my instinctive reaction isn't to assume someone's politics would determine how they react to Musk.
My first real assumption would be that tech/engineering types are the only ones who'd really think about him at all (in both directions). Like, I do have an uncle who occasionally brings him up whenever theirs news on SpaceX's rockets (though usually this gets brought up in the context of "new technology sucks" and "what was wrong with the rockets that carried up Voyager" and such).
So yeah, I really don't think I'd describe anyone as "gargling Elon's cock" except those who still have good will for Tesla.
I come from a super-right wing family too (but from Europe) and they really are in love Elon because it's like "a dog being out of control" in the billionaire group, the one who is brave enough to go against the rules, defying the "cancel culture" and the unidirectional thinking imposed by political correctness.
Yeah, I hate how toxic just politics in general get. Like, it feels like any time anything political gets brought up, everyone leaves their good will and sense of humanity at the door, ya know?
I do enjoy how much tech-focused content is on Lemmy, but it also feels like there's a higher concentration of toxic leftist type posts.
That's definitely a thing I miss about the good ol' reddit days: being able to scroll for days without seeing anything political. Or rather - being able to filter out all the political subs and not feeling like you were missing out on the larger conversation on the platform.
Unfortunately, everything is political, and this has always been true, and will never not be, as long as humans exist. If you were able to ignore politics, it just means you were unaware of them, likely because they weren't hurting you or anyone you cared about. The uptick in "toxic" posts in the last decade is because more people are in danger now, and are highly aware of it, and more people are actively dangerous, and are stirring the pot. It didn't get more political, it got more dangerous.
In general I would argue that he has a good reputation, due to good marketing mostly. A great lot of people see him as some sort of "illuminated visionary" who fosters innovation for the Good™ and will save humanity with SpaceX, Tesla, etc. [I don't agree personally to any of it but that's another story].
Ugh, yeah, I don't hate the guy, but I also think that anyone who still thinks he's a visionary hasn't actually been paying attention to his work/how his companies are going lately.
Honestly I haven't heard any of my right wing coworkers etc... talk about this particular company, but I have heard a lot of elon worship from them. IE I hear a lot of them talk about how he's gone so pro free speach with twitter. (and they tend to ignore me when I point out that he's censoring every bit as much as the old twitter, he's just nicer to the nazis and less nice to the left.
Ugh, yeah, that is a point of frustration I have with the family.
For them, it's not so much "look what Musk is doing" so much as "look at how much better Twitter's gotten", which is particularly ripe cause none of them even use the platform. As I think on it, that probably means the big Fox talking heads are saying things like that.
I never got into Twitter myself (just never really understood / took to the format), which is kind of a shame cause I'd really like to be supporting Mastodon in this years surgance of the Fediverse.
Alongside a medical bill to put the thing in. This isn't charity, it's America. You'll be responsible for paying for the surgery and the rental fee of the courts chip. You don't own that chip we forced you to put in your brain, you're just renting it for the rest of your life.
Anyone seeing this might want to consider combat training and counter custody training while it's easy, just in case this is the future we're headed for. (Also Remember they're not real people, they're bureaucrats they're the same as robots, don't hold back.)
Remember that if you ever somehow become paralyzed. When they tell you they’ve luckily only recently developed a cure, make sure you tell them no thanks when you find out how it was created.
I remember reading an article just a few weeks ago about a company that made a combination prosthetic/implant for blind people to be able to see in the...early 2000s, I think? It was an early technology, low-rez, but somewhat miraculous for some.
And then the company went out of business.
As the implants began to wear out, or the software developed bugs, or the patients' needs changed, things fell apart. They lost their vision and nobody could help them because the hardware and software were proprietary.
Now Elon Musk—with his reputation for quality control and following through with ideas and open source—wants to put things in our brains. Backed by the full faith and credit of Elon Musk.
One day he's going to push down an update that makes everybody with a Neuralink stop and say "hehe butts" in a funny voice, and the tech bros will say "lol great meme Elon" even though a dozen of them got hit by a car because they were forced to stop while they walked across the street, and thirty of them lost their jobs because they said "hehe butts" to their managers, and one of them was a soldier who said "hehe butts" in an active warzone and blew the whole squad's cover.
I can't believe anyone is honestly entertaining this.
That's why you do the FOSS version, it's designed to be easily upgradable and customizable to all your needs, and even on old hardware will still accept updates.
Accessibility is the design of products, devices, services, vehicles, or environments so as to be usable by people with disabilities.
Assistive technology is the creation of a new device that assists a person in completing a task that would otherwise be impossible. Some examples include new computer software programs like screen readers, and inventions such as assistive listening devices, including hearing aids, and traffic lights with a standard color code that enables colorblind individuals to understand the correct signal.
Disabled people are likely to have had their attention piqued by Musk reiterating that, in the first instance, Neuralink would be looking to “solve important brain and spine problems.”
In fact, throughout the presentation, several chronic and life-limiting conditions were cited as being potentially treatable by Neuralink — ranging from blindness, spinal cord injuries, memory loss, brain damage and even depression.
The company’s first round of clinical trials will focus on patients with spinal cord injuries.
…Neuralink said, adding that its initial goal is to enable people to control a computer cursor or keyboard using their thoughts alone.
ETA:
I have no interest in defending the muskrat or his dystopian vision for this technology. I’m just a developer who gives half a shit about making accessible software, so I want people to know what that means.
I hadn’t really formed an opinion on this article specifically, but… If I had spinal damage? I might consider signing up for the monkey-killer chip too. A shot at getting my body back might be too enticing to resist.
Probably because it’s literally being made to help disabled people have more accessibility to the real world and you’re just here pulling shit out of your ass because of your blind emotional reaction to the word “Musk”.
Learning something? The only new information is that you're swallowing the PR pitch hook, line and sinker.
Telling me what a PR pitch from an Elon Musk company says is like reciting the more coherent parts of a Trump rally: you may think that you're teaching me something, but what you're actually doing is repeating their unsubstantiated claims as if they were facts.
Bro, the technology exists and is being tested to help right now, there is no PR pitch here you goofy fucker.
Telling me what a PR pitch from an Elon Musk company says
Where did I do this? lol. Reality isn’t your strong suit is it?
is like reciting the more coherent parts of a Trump rally: you may think that you're teaching me something, but what you're actually doing is repeating their unsubstantiated claims as if they were facts.
I welcome these regressive assholes getting a chip in their brain that has been shown to fry the brains of monkeys if they want it. Maybe we should even be campaigning for it in the South.
I guarantee you that if you ever become a quadriplegic you’d be begging for this technology to help you live again.
All of you people realize this is a medical technology, right? It’s not just to help you post on Twitter faster. This thing helps people communicate and move again.
If it was a dull medical company people wouldn't be itching to downvote you so quickly. Elon is bad for any PR these days. but even without his chip medical science places are doing electrical implants to stimulate "deadzones" in the brain. Seems helpful for certain things like parkinsons and schitzophrenia
I would disagree, I couldn't care less about their work if they didn't make it foss or at the very least source available because as great as it is they'll take it with them when they go bankrupt if they don't share their specs, schematics, and source code, just like the company with those implants for blindness.
Which part of the article claimed it fried a monkey brain? I read the whole thing and got “came loose” and “caused internal bleeding” once, but nothing about it frying a brain.
I wasn't being literal. Isn't it bad enough that it killed them? Do you have to nitpick exactly HOW Musk's crappy chip is going to kill a lot of people?
No your misuse of the phrase does. If a person suffers a physical brain injury, as dramatic for instance as a metal rod getting shot into their brain leaving them disabled, you don't say their brain was fried. It's used primarily to describe chemical issues with the brain, such as a person who used a bit too many drugs and their brain is now impaired because of it. The primates in the article suffered issues caused by the physical installation of the chip, not from the functioning of the chip. Therefore not fried.
The primates in the article suffered issues caused by the physical installation of the chip, not from the functioning of the chip.
And you're calling ME dishonest? 🤦
Another macaque mentioned — known as Animal 15 — “began to press her head against the floor for no apparent reason” days after receiving the implant, and her condition only went downhill from there:
Animal 15 began to lose coordination and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers. Her condition deteriorated for months until the staff finally euthanized her. A necropsy report indicates that she had bleeding in her brain and that the Neuralink implants left parts of her cerebral cortex “focally tattered.”
Does that sound like a fucking installation issue to you?
Also, even if it WAS, they left that bad "installation" for MONTHS and you'd trust those fuckers to put anything in your brain? I guess "death by fanboying too hard" is ONE way to go..
My bad bro, I thought it was literal because the way you said it…and yes it’s terrible that it killed a few monkeys, but that’s literally how most medical and even cosmetic science works, please don’t ever look into it if you’re actually concerned for the animals and not just frothing and seething because your trigger word was used.
It’s being explored by multiple companies because of its amazing medical potential.
Basically, it will help paralyzed people of varying levels of paralysis learn to be mobile and interact with people again, basically giving people who have lost all hope their lives back.
Part of the reason people have criticized Musk's in particular is because of the high rate of fatalities in the trials on monkeys. I've seen scientists commenting that it should've been pulled after the first death, considering how stringent the requirements for animal testing are, but all those issues and requirements have largely been hand-waved away.
Because that’s simply not true, animals die in laboratory environments and experiments all the time, but for some reason only one company takes any public heat.
Okay I did it again just for you and found that I was right in the field I’m knowledgeable in (shocking) and it’s not above the norm.
The total number of animal deaths does not necessarily indicate that Neuralink is violating regulations or standard research practices. Many companies routinely use animals in experiments to advance human health care, and they face financial pressure to quickly bring products to market. The animals are typically killed when experiments are completed, often so they can be examined post-mortem for research purposes.
Also, maybe you’re conflating the total number of animal deaths with just monkeys…they test on a variety of animals, same as any other company.
O man, really, that's the only quote you found? That's a qoute from a Reuters article from December 6, 2022, so just after news about the federal probe broke out and there was no more information about it. You also had to look really hard for it, because it's very far on the results list. So yeah, smooth, really smooth, just like Fox News...
Here is what I found:
Animal 15 began to lose coordination and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers. Her condition deteriorated for months until the staff finally euthanized her. A necropsy report indicates that she had bleeding in her brain and that the Neuralink implants left parts of her cerebral cortex “focally tattered.`”
Overnight, researchers observed the monkey, identified only as “Animal 20” by UC Davis, scratching at the surgical site, which emitted a bloody discharge, and yanking on a connector that eventually dislodged part of the device.A surgery to repair the issue was carried out the following day, yet fungal and bacterial infections took root. Vet records note that neither infection was likely to be cleared, in part because the implant was covering the infected area. The monkey was euthanized on January 6, 2020.
Shown a copy of Musk’s remarks on X about Neuralink’s animal subjects being “close to death already,” a former Neuralink employee alleges to WIRED the claim is “ridiculous” if not a “straight fabrication.” “We had these monkeys for a year or so before any surgery was performed,” they say. The ex-employee, who requested anonymity for fear of retaliation, says up to a year’s worth of behavioral training was necessary for the program, a time frame that would exempt subjects already close to death’s door.
Animal 22, was euthanized in March 2020 after his cranial implant became loose. A necropsy report revealed that two of the screws securing the implant to the skull loosened to the extent that they “could easily be lifted out.” The necropsy for Animal 22 clearly states that “the failure of this implant can be considered purely mechanical and not exacerbated by infection.” If true, this would appear to directly contradict Musk’s statement that no monkeys died as a result of Neuralink’s chips.
Oh, and it may come as a shock to you, but Musk and his henchmen are lying pieces of shit. They lied about the condition of the animals and their deaths (unlike normal research teams), which is another reason why people are mad and this isn't like other research conducted by actual scientists.
Take care and try to avoid getting hit by the Cybertruck, a "car" that isn't road legal in any normal country.
Yes because that quote about it being not out of the normal is the most important part.
And yes they have an interest in lying at any company that controls the research and development, but the federal government investigated them last year and it seems to have found no wrongdoing.
But I guess none of that is enough for you people here just shooting the shit and not being serious because it's a meme community. So carry on with your hot takes and get your rage fill for the day on!
I didn't find any specifics on death rates in my search through the legalese, but I remember reading a comment sometime before Reddit killed third-party apps from somebody who works in a lab with nematodes that animals more complicated than those are regulated strictly enough that even a single death under your watch can be grounds for termination of your license when you get up to monkeys and such.
Neuralink treats animals quite well compared with other research facilities, employees said in interviews, echoing public statements by Musk and other executives. Company leaders have boasted internally of building a “Monkey Disneyland” in the company’s Austin, Texas, facility where lab animals can roam, a former employee said. In the company’s early years, Musk told employees he wanted the monkeys at his San Francisco Bay Area operation to live in a “monkey Taj Mahal”, said a former employee who heard the comment. Another former employee recalled Musk saying he disliked using animals for research but wanted to make sure they were “the happiest animals” while alive.
And people are getting knee-jerk reactive to anything Musk for absolutely no reason, right? He's 100% mentally stable and none of the products his companies are selling are dangerous and morally questionable. Got it! /s
It's not about implants being bad, it's about implants made by a company controlled by a constantly drugged sociopath.
Here is a story a nice story about people getting their eye implants switched off, because the company who made them went out of business:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60416058https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete
I'm sure you are aware that brain implants can't be replaced every year like your iPhone. You can't just keep yanking the electrodes out and put new ones, because it's a friggin' brain surgery...
Settle down with this "we" shit. I couldn't wait for a cybernetic brain link when I was a kid. After seeing how corporations handled the Internet, I will never get one. IDC if I live to be a 1000 years old and every other person on the planet has one. No thank you.
Even after reading Snow Crash, I wanted an RJ-45 port so I could get internet straight to my brain...right up till I had my first IV stuck in me. Realized I didn't like foreign objects in me at all lol
This is some really cool tech and I'm happy the trials are starting. It's a shame having it attached to Elon is ruining the perception of it, I'm hoping other companies get in the game soon.
Your nuts...
Monkeys have gone crazy from it and you want it in your brain? We can't even effectively secure a computer without it getting hacked. And you want the only thing that makes you you hackable ?
To each their own but no way I get something put in my head. Forget hacking what if it malfunctions.. I've seen enough Tesla cars crashing
Don't get me wrong, I'm not volunteering but eventually it will be safe.
Theres definitely barriers to overcome but to go with your analogy, I drive a car everyday on the highway even though a malfunction or even just an other user being stupid can easily lead to my death. That's just to get to work or see friends. I could imagine myself braving worse to get to use full dive vr.
But you couldn't pay me to get into one of those death traps when cars were first invented though. I'm eager but I will definitely wait a while before jumping in.
It can eventually help disabled people move, see, hear and talk.
For everyday people, this will replace phones and computers completely. We will be able to project a private screen on any surface, even mid air. We will be thinking the words instead of saying them during phonecalls.
Movies and games are going to be so immersive it's probably going to cause some serious societal issues. Larping is going to become big I'm guessing.
That's just the surface stuff that's easy to think of. It gets even nuttier if you think about recording and downloading dreams and memories, some of the really sci Fi stuff. The possibilities are literally endless. Obviously though, there's a way to go, it's still in its infancy.
People freak out when I break into their houses, but then I look in their window the next day and they have guests over. I thought they didn't like guests? Fucking hypocrites.
Like I explained to that other person: Nobody is proposing a mandatory chip. It just isn't a thing. So, if you're suspicious when Gates does something, but not when Musk does the same thing...you should ask yourself why.
The labour party is literally further left than the American Left Wing of Congress lol.
That might have been true under Corbyn, but definitely not now that Keir "I desperately want to be Tony Blair" Starmer has taken over and remade the party in his center right to right wing image.
There is not a single far left politician in Congress.
True.
You have vastly overestimated your understanding of American politics.
From which country are you? What far left would there be on the US? The Democrats are ranging from center left to right-wing, from an EU view.
Saying both sides when there is one side prohibiting books about LGBTQ people, wanting to not allow trans people existing and trying to turn over democracy and the other one… wanting health care, is just utter bullshit.
Lmao. 10% are queer, get over it. Scientific evidence shows that gay animals exist in most species; for trans people look at other comments, it's not worth my time typing that again.
The only one making dumb noises here is you (even literally: Just look at your sentences and your aggression, looks like you missed out on evolution).
If you can't make your point without being an ableist ass, maybe don't bother making it at all (in this case, you've not only shown yourself off as an ableist, but as one who has zero understanding of US politics, too, so you've really contributed nothing of any value, and have just made the community more hostile, great job)
Just to be clear, the Far Left and the Far Right wings of parliament in America are equally retarded as one another. Just for different reasons.
Debunked horseshoe theory bullshit. There's no "far left" in the American "parliament" (it's called the Congress. At least try learning the terms before you start spouting your bullshit).
Besides, even if we DID accept your premise of European style Social Democrats being "far left", wanting people to have healthcare and a living wage isn't equivalent to fucking FASCISM in any way.
Also, no ableist slurs, please.
Here, we have labour/liberal but the are only just over the centerline
Keir "I desperately want to be Tony Blair" Starmer's Labour isn't left of center. It's center-right at best.
We the people own the government, not the other way around
Says a guy from the kingdom whose royal family is the number one land owner in the world and has had 3 different Tory PMs since the last election.
Same with [lets be honest, fucking bribes] masked as donations. How you are not in the bottom quarter of the most corrupt countries list has me baffled.
Right on the money (pun intended) with this, though.
You are absolutely correct. And just to prove your point, some American is definitely going to accuse you of being right-wing (since most of lemmy is left) for pointing that out.
There are plenty of good arguments in all the comments reacting to the comment and factually arguing why it's just wrong. And I don't even care about their political orientation (as if their blatant homophobic hadn't given it away), but it doesn't change whether the statement is right or wrong.
My point was just that your comment was essentially a shield against any disagreeing arguments (that you could say "I told you so" and not need to actually engage with the arguments) but didn't even provide any arguments on its own.
The Bill Gates microchip is consensual, too. Nobody is talking about forcing people to get microchips. It’s just that people shit a brick when Gates is involved, but not Musk.
i agree with your point, but its worth considering that it may become mandatory or practically mandatory in the future. not to slipperlyslope here, but think about how hard it is becoming to be a member of society without a mobile phone, credit card, google account, etc. sure its possible, but it creates a massive incentive to just sacrifice your principles for convinience, when everyone else doesnt see the big deal
What the fuck FDA
Haven't they killed an alarming amount if animals trying to get this thing to work?
Yes. Many of the chimps in the animal trials died horribly excruciating deaths, and Neuralink tried to bury the studies.
At least now the test subjects dying will be already braindead Elon supporters, nothing lost.
Yup, they sure have.
Obvious content warning: grisly monkey brain chip death. What a bizarre sentence to actually make sense..
Money makes getting regulatory bodies to approve stuff scarily easy
What. I still rember the article about the Monkeys Musk butchered with his Microchips! This was terrifying and disgusting and now he is allowed to do this to humans?! WTF.
Regulatory capture at work. If you're the second-richest man in the world and a darling of the far right to boot, they'll let you do pretty much whatever you want.
Wow. This fucked³.
Gerhard Schrader had his detractors, too.
What are you talking about? 😅
The inventor of Sarin Gas. Supported by the Nazi regime and incumbent Government, probably had a few people that didn't think his goals were a good idea.
I needed to check twice to which Comment you are replying. Because what you say has nothing at all to do with anything I said.
Is your only connection to this that I'm German?
You're German?what does that have to do with the U S government propping up people willing to test horrific things on people.
Being German I'd think you'd appreciate the noted similarities more than most.
And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.
Grab them by the brain. You can do anything.
Lmao, that one got me.
One word "money"
All I’m seeing is ads streamed directly to the brain with no way but one to stop it, assuming that instinct doesn’t get neurologically suppressed.
Why put an ad while they can directly manipulate your hormones/enzymes?
You’re just gonna give them ideas like that?!
Ah fuck. You didn’t tell them anything they didn’t already consider. Fuck, I’m slow.
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Now they have the neural chemical detectors to make sure you did!
"Neuralink Premium halves the number of ads in your dreams for only $8 a month!"
Dreams? "Unskippable ad in 30 seconds. Recommend you pull over."
Futurama Season 1: Episode 6. Fry gets ads in dreams.
Futurama Splash Screen with: "Any Resemblance to Actual Future is Purely Coincidental" written as gag.
You don't have to worry about that, It's an Elon Musk owned product, he already solved that with TwiXer. He just has to make sure that Nazi's can send their propoganda to your brain, and then advertisers will stay very far away from the neuro link.
That seems like a rosy scenario compared to Meet the Robinsons.
Yea if you don’t subscribe to Neuaralink premium then you have to endure Kanyes voice in your head chanting: “Elon Macht Frei” ten times a day.
Elon considers this to be a benefit of your subscription.
It’s for paralyzed people and neuralink isn’t the only company researching the technology. I swear, where the fuck do you people get your information from, and how do you just never bother to google it to see for yourselves?
No, Neuralink is for stupid Elmo fanboys to waste money and health on and allow Elmo to continue executing his fascist anti-human agenda. And yes, other companies actually try to make devices that will help people. It's not about the technology, it's about that motherfucking shit-golem and the way he treats people (hint: like expandable cheap renewable resources). But if you like that fuck so much, I hope you'll be one of the people leaving Earth and following him to Mars. I actually can't wait that day to happen. We used to joke how great it would be to put all fascist into a space rocker and launch them into space, and it will soon not only become reality, but the stupid fucks will go willingly. Perfect!
I don't really disagree, but are you doing ok?
Me "it's meant to help paralyzed people move and walk and live again, something previously deemed impossible"
You: goes off on some wild Elon musk fueled rage and says nothing about the point of the product
You might need to seek help if you get this worked up over something that heals people...
Get ready for mental health DLC patches or micro transactions.
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Holes in the brain are something intelligent people generally try to avoid.
True, which is one of the many reasons why intelligent people will generally try to avoid having The Monkey Killer installed in their brains.
Nothing a classic COM port & some FOSS self hosted software can't fix.
Yeah, no.. I'm generally in support of making all software FOSS, but I draw the line at making my brain functions open source 😄
On the contrary it being open source is the only way I'd ever put a chip in my brain.
Hell no I don't want proprietary code running with access to my brain that I don't have complete control and knowledge of
Just look at how much sneaky crap is in smartphones already
Hmm, good point..
Yes, but only the lucky ones win death in a raffle (1 in a 1000). The rest are shipped to mines. And their memories are not wiped clean, because the suffering is the integral part of such economy.
It's no longer a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy fact.
conspiracy theories are just real life spoilers
not in all cases
Some, not all
All. Birds aren't real
Interesting, isn't it, that Elon hasn't even suggested he would be getting a Neuralink chip in his brain...
He will probably want to use it, once it was tested on expendable poor people.
He's not going to want to deal with the crap he puts in them. "Just $5 a month to maintain control of your motor functions!"
I am guessing he is aiming for uploading his consciousness to a computer to achieve immortality
Maybe he'll send one to Mars
He literally has.
The difference is that it's consensual, you libtard.
Now try not to think about those monkeys we're testing the product on and whether it was consensual for them.
^/s^ ^if^ ^it^ ^wasn't^ ^obvious^
Just because you have someone's consent, doesn't make whatever you do to them legal.
For example, you can sign a contract to allow me to bludgeon you to death, but it's still murder regardless of your consent.
Frankly, Elon has killed enough animals in this endeavor that it's unconscionable to allow him to test it on people. It's only going to end poorly.
I agree this is the current law. But I certainly don't agree with this law. Do you?
I feel people should absolutely be allowed to consent to death, or potential death. And I mean, we already can in various other contexts like skiing in avalanche terrain, ordering too many big macs, or medically assisted suicide to prevent suffering from incurable conditions (at least in a few civilized places).
Yeah we have that in Canada, you can choose to end it with doctor help via the MAID program. Lets people die with dignity.
You're talking to someone whose wife died 4 months ago (at 34 years old), from one of those incurable conditions. I'll let you guess how I feel about allowing people to end their life on their terms.
I'm confident you strongly support allowing it as I have never met someone who witnessed a loved one suffer like that and does not support lessening their suffering.
So since you support allowing people to end their own lives in that context, you understand that people can indeed consent to death. So perhaps consenting to death should be permitted in other contexts too. That's the only point I was making.
I understand your point. I think people should be able to consent to that, but how do you assure they don't do this because they get forced to agree?
The same way we assure people consenting to anything at all are not being forced to. We try our best basically. And sometimes we'll probably get it wrong and need to improve. I'm completely ok with that when the alternative is guaranteed preventable suffering. Just like I'm ok with people using power of attorney to protect the finances of people with dementia, even if sometimes it gets misapplied.
The first one might suck but can be solved by either working under the table or with underhanded tactics, not super easy but doable.
For the second one, it's much easier, ![email protected] can help you.
That’s just how science works.
The good far outweighs the evil.
K
When the conspiracy theory said Gates was doing it, it was the end of days.
Now that musk is doing it, it'll be sliced bread 2.0.
Nah. These people balk at me wanting an rfid emu chip in my hand.
I will one up you. I'd like to see something that shows body temperature, 02 saturation, and heart rate. Needs to be about the size of a grain of race and implanted in us right after birth. DING, your child has a fever. DING, your child is suffocating in their sleep.
I mean, yeah. My rid/nfc emu chips are passive, tho.
I want you to think long and hard between the differences between not getting protection against a deadly, highly transmissible disease and not getting an iPhone implanted in your skull.
I'll give you a hint. Only one of them actually endangers lives.
Do you understand how disease spreads?
Do you know that if you decide you're too cool for a jab that has been tested on literal billions of people and proven safe and effective in over 99.9% of cases, and end up getting COVID, not only could you be stuck with "long COVID" complications for life but you could also spread the disease to someone immunocompromised who isn't eligible for the shot and will almost certainly die from it?
I could dig up several reputable sources to corroborate everything I just said, but first I'd like to ask if you have even one that calls it into question.
Give me one reason for not getting the shot besides opposing everything the government does because you want to feel like a special boy.
Ahh, you can trust the guy who single-hand-idly drove twitter into the ground and pushed a shit sheet metal meme car. He doesn’t know anything about anything, but you can trust him with brain surgery.
Really though, anyone that thinks this is a good idea and signs up for testing probably deserves the lobotomy they’re going to end up with.
I mean, he knows loads about manipulating people and being rich. Does he bring value to society?
No.
Nobody deserves this, not even Musk fan boys.
There is at least one fanboi in this thread that totally deserves it. Getting the implant should be required in order to allowed buy a Cybertruck. Dead drivers of apocalyptical death-cars are way less dangerous than the alive ones.
Man, I don't know what right wingers y'all are talking about.
I come from a super right wing family and all them MFs think this is a bad idea too (though to be fair, they're def on the conspiracy theory "everything is to get a microchip in my blood/brain" side of things).
Well someone is gargling elons cock, and it's not lefties. So you figure out the math and that's who they're talking about.
"centrists"
Is a centrist anyone who says "I'm not into politics but (right wing propaganda)" because that's unironically been my experience so far.
Yup
I'm not into politics, but I think everyone should deserve human rights regardless of race, gender or sexuality.
And I'm a centrist. Fuck you guys who only pick and choose specific examples to paint us as right wingers.
If that's the only issue you vote on, then you've never voted for a republican, but I don't think that's the case.
And I've never voted Republican lmao.
Depends. I'm centrist but a bit left-leaning and I fucking hate Musk.
O am not personally affiliated with any party but will be voting Democrat, as it seems, for the rest of my time here.
That and anyone who explains to the left that they too would like a better nominee, but we can figure that out after this crucial election cycle...during every election cycle for their entire life, which are the only times they discuss politics.
When half the population wants to eat shit instead of chocolate just because it looks kina like shit, what do you expect?
Half of the people did not vote for Trump. Not even close.
Non voters vote for 'I'll have what she's having', so yeah, they did.
I'm pretty sure that whomever you're getting your culinary statistics from is ripping you off..
Keep sucking trumps colon, I'm sure the chocolate is just round the intestinal bend.
Oh look, wildly left wing people deriding centrists as far right. Weird.
Nobody said anything about FAR right. In fact, you're the one who's characterizing people as extremists for disagreeing with you, a typical centrist move.
Nice try. Go be facetious somewhere else.
Nah, I'm fine right here. You can go be devoid of ideals elsewhere.
Compared to any other western country, American centrists are far right. Republicans are off the map.
Sometimes people make it really plain they've never travelled.
I suppose my instinctive reaction isn't to assume someone's politics would determine how they react to Musk.
My first real assumption would be that tech/engineering types are the only ones who'd really think about him at all (in both directions). Like, I do have an uncle who occasionally brings him up whenever theirs news on SpaceX's rockets (though usually this gets brought up in the context of "new technology sucks" and "what was wrong with the rockets that carried up Voyager" and such).
So yeah, I really don't think I'd describe anyone as "gargling Elon's cock" except those who still have good will for Tesla.
I come from a super-right wing family too (but from Europe) and they really are in love Elon because it's like "a dog being out of control" in the billionaire group, the one who is brave enough to go against the rules, defying the "cancel culture" and the unidirectional thinking imposed by political correctness.
I just vomited a bit in my mouth
Obviously I don't approve of any of it, let it be clear... Lemmy for me is a sort of "therapy group" where I find relief from that toxic environment.
Yeah, I hate how toxic just politics in general get. Like, it feels like any time anything political gets brought up, everyone leaves their good will and sense of humanity at the door, ya know?
I do enjoy how much tech-focused content is on Lemmy, but it also feels like there's a higher concentration of toxic leftist type posts.
That's definitely a thing I miss about the good ol' reddit days: being able to scroll for days without seeing anything political. Or rather - being able to filter out all the political subs and not feeling like you were missing out on the larger conversation on the platform.
Unfortunately, everything is political, and this has always been true, and will never not be, as long as humans exist. If you were able to ignore politics, it just means you were unaware of them, likely because they weren't hurting you or anyone you cared about. The uptick in "toxic" posts in the last decade is because more people are in danger now, and are highly aware of it, and more people are actively dangerous, and are stirring the pot. It didn't get more political, it got more dangerous.
That's interesting to hear. I wouldn't have expected Europeans would have thought about ol' Elon that much.
In general I would argue that he has a good reputation, due to good marketing mostly. A great lot of people see him as some sort of "illuminated visionary" who fosters innovation for the Good™ and will save humanity with SpaceX, Tesla, etc. [I don't agree personally to any of it but that's another story].
Ugh, yeah, I don't hate the guy, but I also think that anyone who still thinks he's a visionary hasn't actually been paying attention to his work/how his companies are going lately.
Ah, yes. Because Elon is clearly the only billionaire who is a conservative.
Honestly I haven't heard any of my right wing coworkers etc... talk about this particular company, but I have heard a lot of elon worship from them. IE I hear a lot of them talk about how he's gone so pro free speach with twitter. (and they tend to ignore me when I point out that he's censoring every bit as much as the old twitter, he's just nicer to the nazis and less nice to the left.
Ugh, yeah, that is a point of frustration I have with the family.
For them, it's not so much "look what Musk is doing" so much as "look at how much better Twitter's gotten", which is particularly ripe cause none of them even use the platform. As I think on it, that probably means the big Fox talking heads are saying things like that.
I never got into Twitter myself (just never really understood / took to the format), which is kind of a shame cause I'd really like to be supporting Mastodon in this years surgance of the Fediverse.
every vocal right winger i hear hates this idea
But do they hate the guy? As much as Bill Gates?
It's like when Trump shat on veterans and the rightwingers didn't care.
no. i suppose you are correct. from what i see they may think he is incompetent, but not evil like bill microsoft gates
So I guess Faux News is no longer vocally right wing? 🙄
There's no way the FDA approved that shit.
You're being awfully combative. If this behavior continues, the court will mandate installation of a calming chip in your brain.
Alongside a medical bill to put the thing in. This isn't charity, it's America. You'll be responsible for paying for the surgery and the rental fee of the courts chip. You don't own that chip we forced you to put in your brain, you're just renting it for the rest of your life.
I'm a delivery boy!
Nah, send those filthy insurrectionists to the lithium mines!
Anyone seeing this might want to consider combat training and counter custody training while it's easy, just in case this is the future we're headed for. (Also Remember they're not real people, they're bureaucrats they're the same as robots, don't hold back.)
Just wait. It becomes the latest and greatest in communications, then corporate America starts requiring it for employment.
Remember that if you ever somehow become paralyzed. When they tell you they’ve luckily only recently developed a cure, make sure you tell them no thanks when you find out how it was created.
Yeah it's a meme that people are emotionally reacting to.
Honestly you need to cross reference 2-3 sources before forming an opinion on any "news" these days
Always check Twitter, Fox News, and ask ChatGPT. Am I doing this right?
That's an improvement over most in this thread
Finally cyberpunk begins. We need more neon lights, but thanks to LEDs I am looking positively towards our future.
Probably already been hacked. We just haven't heard about it yet.
No need to hack when the fatality rate in primates is already so high.
I remember reading an article just a few weeks ago about a company that made a combination prosthetic/implant for blind people to be able to see in the...early 2000s, I think? It was an early technology, low-rez, but somewhat miraculous for some.
And then the company went out of business.
As the implants began to wear out, or the software developed bugs, or the patients' needs changed, things fell apart. They lost their vision and nobody could help them because the hardware and software were proprietary.
Now Elon Musk—with his reputation for quality control and following through with ideas and open source—wants to put things in our brains. Backed by the full faith and credit of Elon Musk.
One day he's going to push down an update that makes everybody with a Neuralink stop and say "hehe butts" in a funny voice, and the tech bros will say "lol great meme Elon" even though a dozen of them got hit by a car because they were forced to stop while they walked across the street, and thirty of them lost their jobs because they said "hehe butts" to their managers, and one of them was a soldier who said "hehe butts" in an active warzone and blew the whole squad's cover.
I can't believe anyone is honestly entertaining this.
Deus Ex, here we come!
In other news Musk opens pizzeria in Washington DC
Called Meteor Table Tennis. This one WILL have a basement 😬
Nothing against experimenting with this chip in Musk's brain. It's always good to start with something simple.
BECAUSE👏EVERY👏ACCUSATION👏IS👏A👏CONFESSION👏
mm cool can't wait to have brain surgery every 2 years when new version comes out
That's why you do the FOSS version, it's designed to be easily upgradable and customizable to all your needs, and even on old hardware will still accept updates.
All conspiracies come true if you spread them and wait long enough... Eventually some crazy rich guy will have heard it and make it real. 😅
Humans are weird. 😅
I wonder if they’ll explain the risk of deadly diarrhea
Or if they asked why "accessibility" is one of the top 3 stated priorities for something that's supposed to control part of your brain 😬
Is that true?! 🤣
Yup! Lemme see if I can't find the quote..
And we all know that when Musk says something is safe and reliable, it usually isn't.
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
It means several things, including the following two things that are the ones Musk is more than likely focusing on:
1: ease of acquiring the chip
2: ease of access to (manipulating) the chip once installed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2020/09/08/could-elon-musks-neuralink-be-a-game-changer-for-people-with-disabilities
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-start-human-trials-brain-implant-2023-09-19/
ETA:
I have no interest in defending the muskrat or his dystopian vision for this technology. I’m just a developer who gives half a shit about making accessible software, so I want people to know what that means.
I hadn’t really formed an opinion on this article specifically, but… If I had spinal damage? I might consider signing up for the monkey-killer chip too. A shot at getting my body back might be too enticing to resist.
Probably because it’s literally being made to help disabled people have more accessibility to the real world and you’re just here pulling shit out of your ass because of your blind emotional reaction to the word “Musk”.
Aww, did my accurate description of how trustworthy your fundamentally dishonest hero is hurt you, fanboy? I'm sooo sorry! 🙄
Methinks I'm not the one having an emotional reaction here 😄
So let’s get this straight, your response to learning something was “yOuRE jUSt A MUsK FANbOi”.
And that’s it?
K.
Learning something? The only new information is that you're swallowing the PR pitch hook, line and sinker.
Telling me what a PR pitch from an Elon Musk company says is like reciting the more coherent parts of a Trump rally: you may think that you're teaching me something, but what you're actually doing is repeating their unsubstantiated claims as if they were facts.
Bro, the technology exists and is being tested to help right now, there is no PR pitch here you goofy fucker.
Where did I do this? lol. Reality isn’t your strong suit is it?
Now you’re just talking to yourself, it seems.
That something exists doesn't mean it works.
You mean it's being tested to sell. Got any source other than Musk, someone who works for him or someone using either as their only source?
Because "we swear this thing we're trying to get approved so we can get a lot of money helps people" isn't proof.
Especially when the boss is notorious for exaggerating and sometimes even inventing out of whole cloth the benefits of his products.
I welcome these regressive assholes getting a chip in their brain that has been shown to fry the brains of monkeys if they want it. Maybe we should even be campaigning for it in the South.
Ah of course. The old: "if we do it to people we dislike, it isn't a crime" angle. Mixed in with generalizations like "people from the South".
Kindness matters, especially when it seems like there's nothing to be gained from it.
Next time I'll add the /j
What's /j, not heard of that one
/just completely serious
I'm kidding. /j is joke
Based
I guarantee you that if you ever become a quadriplegic you’d be begging for this technology to help you live again.
All of you people realize this is a medical technology, right? It’s not just to help you post on Twitter faster. This thing helps people communicate and move again.
Medical for lobotomies right now, I suppose.
What does that even mean?
Lobotomies scrambled the brain, brain implants help paralyzed people.
I'm so confused by you people.
It means the monkeys they tested on all got lobotomized.
If it was a dull medical company people wouldn't be itching to downvote you so quickly. Elon is bad for any PR these days. but even without his chip medical science places are doing electrical implants to stimulate "deadzones" in the brain. Seems helpful for certain things like parkinsons and schitzophrenia
I would disagree, I couldn't care less about their work if they didn't make it foss or at the very least source available because as great as it is they'll take it with them when they go bankrupt if they don't share their specs, schematics, and source code, just like the company with those implants for blindness.
what does the chip do?
It fries the brains of monkeys and likely humans too.
Which part of the article claimed it fried a monkey brain? I read the whole thing and got “came loose” and “caused internal bleeding” once, but nothing about it frying a brain.
I wasn't being literal. Isn't it bad enough that it killed them? Do you have to nitpick exactly HOW Musk's crappy chip is going to kill a lot of people?
I don't think it's about nitpicking it's about being honest.
"Frying" is a common dramatic shorthand for destroying the brain in any way. That you're unfamiliar with the expression doesn't make me dishonest.
No your misuse of the phrase does. If a person suffers a physical brain injury, as dramatic for instance as a metal rod getting shot into their brain leaving them disabled, you don't say their brain was fried. It's used primarily to describe chemical issues with the brain, such as a person who used a bit too many drugs and their brain is now impaired because of it. The primates in the article suffered issues caused by the physical installation of the chip, not from the functioning of the chip. Therefore not fried.
And you're calling ME dishonest? 🤦
Does that sound like a fucking installation issue to you?
Also, even if it WAS, they left that bad "installation" for MONTHS and you'd trust those fuckers to put anything in your brain? I guess "death by fanboying too hard" is ONE way to go..
My bad bro, I thought it was literal because the way you said it…and yes it’s terrible that it killed a few monkeys, but that’s literally how most medical and even cosmetic science works, please don’t ever look into it if you’re actually concerned for the animals and not just frothing and seething because your trigger word was used.
It’s being explored by multiple companies because of its amazing medical potential.
Basically, it will help paralyzed people of varying levels of paralysis learn to be mobile and interact with people again, basically giving people who have lost all hope their lives back.
Paralyzed man able to walk again thanks to brain implant
How a brain implant gave a woman her voice back
People just tend to get knee-jerk reactive when they associate anything with that Musk guy.
Part of the reason people have criticized Musk's in particular is because of the high rate of fatalities in the trials on monkeys. I've seen scientists commenting that it should've been pulled after the first death, considering how stringent the requirements for animal testing are, but all those issues and requirements have largely been hand-waved away.
Source?
Because that’s simply not true, animals die in laboratory environments and experiments all the time, but for some reason only one company takes any public heat.
Take 2 seconds to start typing the word "neuralink" into Google
One of the first auto fills will be "neuralink monkeys"
And from there it's stupid easy to find articles on the topic
Okay I did it again just for you and found that I was right in the field I’m knowledgeable in (shocking) and it’s not above the norm.
Also, maybe you’re conflating the total number of animal deaths with just monkeys…they test on a variety of animals, same as any other company.
O man, really, that's the only quote you found? That's a qoute from a Reuters article from December 6, 2022, so just after news about the federal probe broke out and there was no more information about it. You also had to look really hard for it, because it's very far on the results list. So yeah, smooth, really smooth, just like Fox News...
Here is what I found:
Oh, and it may come as a shock to you, but Musk and his henchmen are lying pieces of shit. They lied about the condition of the animals and their deaths (unlike normal research teams), which is another reason why people are mad and this isn't like other research conducted by actual scientists.
Take care and try to avoid getting hit by the Cybertruck, a "car" that isn't road legal in any normal country.
Yes because that quote about it being not out of the normal is the most important part.
And yes they have an interest in lying at any company that controls the research and development, but the federal government investigated them last year and it seems to have found no wrongdoing.
But I guess none of that is enough for you people here just shooting the shit and not being serious because it's a meme community. So carry on with your hot takes and get your rage fill for the day on!
The Gruesome Story of How Neuralink's Monkeys Actually Died
Elon Musk denies Neuralink monkeys died gruesome deaths, saying they live in 'monkey paradise'
Musk’s Neuralink faces federal inquiry after killing 1,500 animals in testing Note: More than a year old at this point
US Animal Welfare Act links on the National Agricultural Library website
I didn't find any specifics on death rates in my search through the legalese, but I remember reading a comment sometime before Reddit killed third-party apps from somebody who works in a lab with nematodes that animals more complicated than those are regulated strictly enough that even a single death under your watch can be grounds for termination of your license when you get up to monkeys and such.
From your own sources:
And people are getting knee-jerk reactive to anything Musk for absolutely no reason, right? He's 100% mentally stable and none of the products his companies are selling are dangerous and morally questionable. Got it! /s It's not about implants being bad, it's about implants made by a company controlled by a constantly drugged sociopath. Here is a story a nice story about people getting their eye implants switched off, because the company who made them went out of business: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60416058 https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete
I'm sure you are aware that brain implants can't be replaced every year like your iPhone. You can't just keep yanking the electrodes out and put new ones, because it's a friggin' brain surgery...
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Paralyzed man able to walk again thanks to brain implant
How a brain implant gave a woman her voice back
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
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Settle down with this "we" shit. I couldn't wait for a cybernetic brain link when I was a kid. After seeing how corporations handled the Internet, I will never get one. IDC if I live to be a 1000 years old and every other person on the planet has one. No thank you.
Right?
Even after reading Snow Crash, I wanted an RJ-45 port so I could get internet straight to my brain...right up till I had my first IV stuck in me. Realized I didn't like foreign objects in me at all lol
Just haven't met the right foreigner yet.
Have fun, you're crazy.
Gaslight
Obstruct
PROJECT
The GOP has gone full Bond villain. Those are never stopped by mean words, the PPK usually does the taking
Approval reasons: Let's see what happens.
Dream Scenario IRL except it's Musk
Yk, I'll play devils advocate and say that I see the good in this. People with disabilities will finally be able to do things.
But, governments will definitely love this. And the proprietary technology would definitely be spying on people, no surprise there.
I'm really afraid it could become a mandate to get in the future (gotta learn how to survive in the woods.)
So overall, it has good potential but would definitely be used for harm. I think it's a net negative.
Doesn't mean plenty of them don't know or care that he's trying to put microchips in people's brains.
Only if you're inclined to believe the conspiracy theory first.
Like what?
Listen to the Knowledge Fight podcast which critiques Alex Jones. He's wrong a lot.
This is some really cool tech and I'm happy the trials are starting. It's a shame having it attached to Elon is ruining the perception of it, I'm hoping other companies get in the game soon.
Your nuts... Monkeys have gone crazy from it and you want it in your brain? We can't even effectively secure a computer without it getting hacked. And you want the only thing that makes you you hackable ?
To each their own but no way I get something put in my head. Forget hacking what if it malfunctions.. I've seen enough Tesla cars crashing
Don't get me wrong, I'm not volunteering but eventually it will be safe.
Theres definitely barriers to overcome but to go with your analogy, I drive a car everyday on the highway even though a malfunction or even just an other user being stupid can easily lead to my death. That's just to get to work or see friends. I could imagine myself braving worse to get to use full dive vr.
But you couldn't pay me to get into one of those death traps when cars were first invented though. I'm eager but I will definitely wait a while before jumping in.
It could help disabled people move... Other than that, I'm unsure about it's purposes...
It can eventually help disabled people move, see, hear and talk.
For everyday people, this will replace phones and computers completely. We will be able to project a private screen on any surface, even mid air. We will be thinking the words instead of saying them during phonecalls.
Movies and games are going to be so immersive it's probably going to cause some serious societal issues. Larping is going to become big I'm guessing.
That's just the surface stuff that's easy to think of. It gets even nuttier if you think about recording and downloading dreams and memories, some of the really sci Fi stuff. The possibilities are literally endless. Obviously though, there's a way to go, it's still in its infancy.
And that’s not enough for you?!??!?!
I cant tell if you are so stupid to think conspiracists are ok with neurolink or if you are just pretending to "own the right".
People freak out when I break into their houses, but then I look in their window the next day and they have guests over. I thought they didn't like guests? Fucking hypocrites.
Like I explained to that other person: Nobody is proposing a mandatory chip. It just isn't a thing. So, if you're suspicious when Gates does something, but not when Musk does the same thing...you should ask yourself why.
There are no far left politicians in America
Yeah there are, they just don't have any power outside of very locally, which sucks.
You're right that there's no far left politicians in national office though, if that's what you actually meant.
The labour party is literally further left than the American Left Wing of Congress lol.
There is not a single far left politician in Congress. You have vastly overestimated your understanding of American politics.
That might have been true under Corbyn, but definitely not now that Keir "I desperately want to be Tony Blair" Starmer has taken over and remade the party in his center right to right wing image.
True.
Also true. Dude even called Congress Parliament 😆
From which country are you? What far left would there be on the US? The Democrats are ranging from center left to right-wing, from an EU view.
Saying both sides when there is one side prohibiting books about LGBTQ people, wanting to not allow trans people existing and trying to turn over democracy and the other one… wanting health care, is just utter bullshit.
Wrong. You vastly overestimate the number of stupid bigots in the world.
Wrong again, bigot. People who actually know more than just the very basics disagree with your transphobic misinformation.
Stop being a fucking ableist bigot. This is the second time I've seen you use that word.
Lmao. 10% are queer, get over it. Scientific evidence shows that gay animals exist in most species; for trans people look at other comments, it's not worth my time typing that again.
The only one making dumb noises here is you (even literally: Just look at your sentences and your aggression, looks like you missed out on evolution).
What scientific evidence? You're being extremely unintelligent.
If you can't make your point without being an ableist ass, maybe don't bother making it at all (in this case, you've not only shown yourself off as an ableist, but as one who has zero understanding of US politics, too, so you've really contributed nothing of any value, and have just made the community more hostile, great job)
Bribes?
Debunked horseshoe theory bullshit. There's no "far left" in the American "parliament" (it's called the Congress. At least try learning the terms before you start spouting your bullshit).
Besides, even if we DID accept your premise of European style Social Democrats being "far left", wanting people to have healthcare and a living wage isn't equivalent to fucking FASCISM in any way.
Also, no ableist slurs, please.
Keir "I desperately want to be Tony Blair" Starmer's Labour isn't left of center. It's center-right at best.
Says a guy from the kingdom whose royal family is the number one land owner in the world and has had 3 different Tory PMs since the last election.
Right on the money (pun intended) with this, though.
You know I'm Australian right?
You are absolutely correct. And just to prove your point, some American is definitely going to accuse you of being right-wing (since most of lemmy is left) for pointing that out.
What a neat way to directly delegitimize any different opinion, and that even without providing any arguments whatsoever.
Arguments for what? There are plenty of good arguments in the comment I'm responding to.
There are plenty of good arguments in all the comments reacting to the comment and factually arguing why it's just wrong. And I don't even care about their political orientation (as if their blatant homophobic hadn't given it away), but it doesn't change whether the statement is right or wrong.
My point was just that your comment was essentially a shield against any disagreeing arguments (that you could say "I told you so" and not need to actually engage with the arguments) but didn't even provide any arguments on its own.
Oh, so it's all about consent? Huh.
The Bill Gates microchip is consensual, too. Nobody is talking about forcing people to get microchips. It’s just that people shit a brick when Gates is involved, but not Musk.
I'm pretty sure it's the hair extensions.
i agree with your point, but its worth considering that it may become mandatory or practically mandatory in the future. not to slipperlyslope here, but think about how hard it is becoming to be a member of society without a mobile phone, credit card, google account, etc. sure its possible, but it creates a massive incentive to just sacrifice your principles for convinience, when everyone else doesnt see the big deal
I'm sure everyone getting a brain chip from the monkey executioner will be sharing their opinions with us for years to come...
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