Signal gets some things right, but others wrong, such as phone numbers and centralized architecture. As such, it doesn't fit the "everybody wants to use" part.
Seeing how the dumb community feels trapped now that Meta stopped supporting KaiOS, I can tell there are a lot of people that wish they could leave the service. A lot of spaces make you feel like you have to use it, not want to use it. I used a few months while I was in the UK, but after that I’ve been lucky enough to delete my account as the service was useless elsewhere where other places I lived, no one used it.
…That said, I now have issues with LINE as a defacto chat option locally that gets in the way. My account was crushed after they canceled LINE Lite which was 10× smaller with no bloat or trackers & I refused to “upgrade” (where like WhatsApp & Signal, one is forced to have a mobile device as a primary device). Largely I can inconvenience everyone by making them choose a different means of communication (with email be largely the only common denominator) but if I were dating again, I would inevitably be forced to use the unsafe app putting myself in the position a lot of WhatsApp users feel they are without effective choice.
(And are you sincerely suggesting WhatsApp, which is run by one of the largest and most aggressive privacy invaders the world has ever known, as a privacy friendly application? I would suggest re-thinking that position if you want to be taken seriously.)
The guy I replied to is saying that not everyone wants to use Signal because it's centralized and based on phone numbers. But billions of people use WhatsApp despite being exactly that. Signal nails the privacy stuff but obviously people don't give a shit because they're using WhatsApp anyway.
Exactly. And I gave up trying even when it was "easier". Not to mention, since it can't do SMS anymore, I actually helped my mom. stop using it, because then she'd need 2 different messaging apps. She and I now use Google Messages to text and whatever Google is calling the integrated video chat app now.
Yeah, a new messaging app is definitely a hard sell for me if it's data/wifi only. I have Discord for unimportant internet conversations that can wait for me to burn data and texting for important things like work because I get unlimited texts. Having a separate app for a couple of people would be annoying.
Signal is great. I miss when it worked with SMS. There are 2 E2EE SMS apps that I'm aware of, bit one is not well supported and the other needs quite a bit of UI work before it's usable by the general public. Also, neither can be used as the default SMS app on Apple phones,but that's not the app's fault.
My problem is that it does not work on multiple devices at the same time, so I have personally given up on it. Maybe it has changed, did not check for a long time.
I don't think they're in trouble, they're just talking about long term funding because it's relevant. Can't expand and get more funding without mentioning that you need it
Of the articles I saw about funding
one was by Signal, estimating future costs
one was by that Grayzone guy, misrepresenting where funds were from (said it was CIA lol), how much was being changed (title implied it was entirely CIA funded but it was a past, publicly documented investment by a government program)
We got reasonably close with signal, but I know what you mean. I've had friends think I was some sort of escaped convict just because I'd rather use Matrix to chat instead of FB.
Signal feels the closest, it's basically equivalent to other messaging apps. Somewhat cleaner and easier to use IMO
The only downside is chat backups for people coming from Messenger, in particular those on iOS devices. Streamlining that process might get me to go "contact me on signal, I don't check messenger often", but right now I get why there's a last bit of friction with my friends
WhatsApp has a similar limitation but they walk you through the backups process. Even then, they limit backups to google drive iirc. Signal could do something similar, but much better by explaining the process and opening up backup locations
Some of the hurtles I've encountered using privacy focused chat apps with friends and family is the lack of smooth group chats and adding people remotely.
Some apps have a QR code feature but also allow you to enter a code. It can be a challenge to setup with older family members.
in their minds, they should be able to buy a device and when they open it up, it should already come pre-installed with their granddaughter's name and contact ready to go through a mind reading technology that knows that knows who bought the device and knows who exactly they want to talk to and when.
Banks in the US use Open Banking APIs too, they won't open it up for the public to use, though. Every company, not just banks, wants us to have their app on our phone.
I was developing these apis for one of the biggest banks in central/eastern Europe.
You’re right that they are not intended for bank to customer access directly. What they allow though is for third parties (other banks, mobile apps, services) to access these apis. It requires a licence though.
Point is that a lot of banks in Europe allow to add other bank‘s accounts to their app. Also aggregator apps exist.
Banks could simply come together and develop an open banking standard for customers. Would probably save them a lot of money too, since the development of their stupid apps presumably costs them a lot.
Converse, the fucking shoe company refused to sell me shoes unless I provided a DOB near payment screen. I put in a fake one and my payment didn't validate.
Not that DOBs are private anymore with the last 10 years of breaches, fuck I had medical history AND DMV breached separately in the MoveIt heist this year...and these companies just want us to keep shelling out data
Not sure if this already exists in some form, but I want something that always records where I've been. I am a very forgetful person and the Google maps timeline feature has been very helpful more than a handful of times. Unfortunately, it means that Google knows exactly where I've been also...
I just want to be able to check where I was the afternoon of a random Tuesday three years ago!
I use GPS Logger as well. Everything is saved locally in a kml file. The trick is to find an optimal settings which gives you enough data points but doesn't kill your batteey in the process.
For real! One of the things that made using Signal a non-issue for me was due to it being able to use SMS as a fall-back and therefore didn't need me to push friends to also install another message app. I really only first installed it because it was the messaging app my local chapter of the SRA was using. I was excited that it did the shit I loved about the old Google Hangouts before they unnecessarily chose to break shit back out into three replacements. Being able to use a more feature rich messaging service when the people I am messaging also have it is awesome. But being able to still send a basic SMS from the same app without leaving is super nice. It is the main thing I always envied about how iMessage has worked basically forever.
Fortunately some of my friends and co-workers also have needed to install Signal for similar reasons I did or for remote therapy stuff. But it is so hard to get others to just install it just because it is privacy focused and since we already have Facebook Messenger/Discord/Snap/IG/Line and of course SMS. Also hate feeling like I am being pushy or annoying unless I am directly asked about apps to try or some specific reason.
I also have fond memories of using Gaim/Pidgin back in the day for being able to just have one IM client that could work with basically whatever any of my friends/contacts liked using. A universal chat/message client really seems like something that would be cool to see come back.
I also would like to have a universal messaging client but sadly it doesn't seem possible , just look at the recent reverse engineerediMessage apps, why would you waste all that effort reverse-engineering proprietary chat apps, when they can get (and will get) shut down by the service. Especially while better, open protocols exist.
Try beeper, it'll let you use sms and signal (among others) on the same app, the app isn't open source but their server infrastructure is open source and self hostable (it might not be easy to self host it though)
A browser addon that utterly floods advertisers and trackers with dummy data. A single person using it is easy to single out. A thousand start to eat into the profits. 100k should make them go offline (DDoS'ed) with an interesting frequency.
The hard part is getting used to it. How do I share my public keys? How do I use GPG (the program)? How do I access them easily? What do I do when I want to encrypt my mails on desktop (maybe Windows+Linux), laptop, and phone? It's just relatively much work to gather the knowledge.
I agree that data collection is a good security measure in this case. But privacy friendly does not necessarily mean there is no data collected.
Important is that nothing is shared with 3rd parties and all data is well protected.
Safety features nessaseraly demand open and auditable by third parties.
We need to be able to ensure that abusers aren't hopping around companies abusing passengers or drivers, for example. It's hard to do that with complete privacy.
It's one of the cases where strong regulations so third parties can't do things with your data is important, but also sharing that data to protect yourself and others more vulnerable than you is important.
So true! In Germany we have Blablacar and Flixbus / Flixtrain, which have soo much better services to travel cheaply. But its proprietary "install our app" garbage
What's wrong with taxi services?
From a client perspective Uber and Lyft don't solve any issue that taxi services don't. They may be more convenient/accessible by providing an app, but that's not an unsolvable issue.
But from a privacy perspective taxis clearly have a leg up since you're an anonymous customer.
Convenient hailing. A phone call works okay if you're home, where there isn't much noise and you speak the local language, but a web form is often much easier and less error-prone in other situations.
Efficient coverage. Many areas either have sparse taxi coverage, or multiple taxi companies competing in an area, and if the one you call doesn't have enough drivers available and nearby, you're stuck waiting unreasonably long even if there are other ride options with better availability.
Up-front journey-specific prices. We now have the technology to see what the total cost will be before we commit to a ride. We should be using it.
A single point of hailing, where I can submit my location and destination, and be presented with my ride options from all the available providers.
Accurate pick-up and drop-off time estimates. Even better with real-time taxi location.
Quick arrival.
Automated ride-sharing coordination among strangers.
Fuel efficiency incentives. Most taxis I've taken have been heavy vehicles that guzzle petrol, passing the expense on to the environment and the customer.
I think most (maybe all) of this could be solved by something like a clearinghouse for taxi rides, effectively federating the various taxi services in an area, with a web app available for hailing.
Something that produces a wealth of plausible web traffic on my connection and browser that woefully misleads anyone monitoring it as to what I actually am browsing. Rather than hiding my traffic or ensuring some hyper level of encryption I simply want to use maybe an LLM or something to create such a close facimilie to "normal" online traffic that my online fingerprint becomes useless as sub 5% of my traffic is actually real.
Essentially I want privacy through drowning out everything with noise. It seems like the harder the to unwind in the end if done in a clever way. That plus some basic security protections and I will feel fairly secure.
That's the premise behind AdNauseam, albeit only for ads and not general navigation: It clicks all the ads in the background, so the data won't ever target the real you.
I want to legally buy my movie paying it to the creators, and be able do do whatever I want with my copy with me knowing I bought it just for buying it and being allowed to Own it without it being a DVD, because I don't want DVDs, because I live in 16m² and I move way to often, while keeping the concept of buying it
Not sure if this counts, but a simple FOSS BIOS/UEFI option that could be installed on most desktops and laptops. The current options (Libreboot, coreboot) are very limited in compatible hardware.
A version of WhatsApp that doesn't require full access to all your contacts to work properly. I have about 10 people I need to Whatapp with - I just want to add those people. Meta doesn't need to know my Doctor's phone number.
I would like a browser addon that drops poisoned data when surfing the web. Instead of trying to restrict how much of my data gets collected, spread useless data across their sites.
A local personal assistant that isn't just focused on media consumption or purchasing. I want to ask about my most efficient route or ideal presents for my partner or a medical condition without it being data mined.
That won't really work because the trackers themselves need other people's phones to work so they basically have to be integrated with some large phone vendor's or phone OS vendor's infrastructure.
I'm not looking for a Tile-like network. Most of these cheap devices seem to work off of just letting you know when you are disconnecting from their Bluetooth as far as I know.
Yeah I know that's part of the reason I'm looking for an open source alternative. Tile does more than that when you have a membership but I don't need a huge suite of features
Which one? I'm using geometric weather, and there is a FOSS clone/adaptation called breezy weather that I'd love to use but unfortunately there's an unfixable bug, so I'm more than happy to look for alternatives.
In the screenshot my title bar is still vaguely visible, on screen with a higher brightness setting it's next to invisible. You can actually barely make out the temperate icon from geometric weather there.
I'm using a OnePlus 10 pro on Android 12, with Nova Launcher installed, in case that makes a difference.
Not sure if this exists at all, privacy friendly or not, but it is something where privacy would be extremely important.
I would love to have some sort of application that allows the mapping of atomic (as in minimal) political statements and their logical relationships (e.g. if this is true then this other statement can't also be true) and evidence from media for their truth or falsehood. Probably also some sort of glossary of precise word definitions and which statement uses which of the definitions. This part should probably be done publicly and shared with other users apart from maybe a mechanism to obscure who added which information but this next part can not be public but lots of people would want the information. You should be able to mark each of those statements as something you agree with or not and then explore the implications of your opinions.
I feel something like that would be nice to replace the constant repetition of the same arguments on the same issues, especially if one could publicly link to individual statements from anywhere on the internet.
Didn't realize they had one, appears a lot of functionality requires an account to use. I'd be cautious overall based on the privacy practices they use in their mobile app, doesn't seem to be a big concern for them and I'd be careful giving them any trust. But if you do wish to use them, their mobile site with a good content blocker would definitely be the best option (preferably without an account if possible).
Havent tried every app but If I had to think of some:
an offline foss calendar that can import ics files (simple calendar is the only option soon fossify)
an app that can display Checksums for files
a dark privacy overlay for phones that can't use privacy screen protectors, like newer gen pixels
Edit: Second an offline fitness tracker where a person can manually input info. Been using an ods file for a couple of years but its a pain to use collabora on android
An open-source, federated, and privacy-protecting alternative to the dominant advertising services. Something that gives the individual web user full control of which ads they see; from which indies, organizations, companies or any other groups. And where they can also filter ads based on clear categories, values, or tags, rather than everything being dictated by algorithms and "relevancy".
I actually didn't think about it much, because I block all ads. But consumerism can be fun, I wouldn't mind ads if I had a say in which I see.
Weird how neolibs are proponents of the free market all the time, but at the same time insist on shoving crap we don't want down our throats. I like your suggestion.
A password manager that can keep passwords on one device, and use the passwords on the other, without the storing one being connected to any network, etc
KeePass with inputstick. It's a device that plugs into a USB A port, and your phone talks to it via Bluetooth. It emulates a keyboard (and mouse if you want), and there's a KeePass plugin for KeePass2Android.
You open one of your password entries, click the username, and it types the username on your computer via inputstick. Ditto for passwords and totp or other fields.
You can also use inputstick to just remotely control your computer, albeit locally only and without a monitor connection. I've used it to control my raspberry pi or android TV, aside from password entry.
With this, you can have your password database be completely offline and your computer have no lasting knowledge of your passwords. Of course, a keylogger would still get the passwords that are "typed".
I've had one of these $40 devices for a few years. I don't use it too often, as I tend to synchronize my KeePass database on all of them, but it does come in handy. I wish the developer of the hardware made a usb-c one, but it works with usb-c to usb-a dongles.
Hmm, it seems I missed this, saw the plugin many-many times, but thought it works with USB cables
Interesting, sadly I can't get my hands on any inputstick (the area I live in is very harsh on importing stuff except local marketplaces(which don't have the device))
At the same time it uses Bluetooth, which makes it not fully airgapped
Maybe some time later I will get into developing something similar, but wity nrf chips
A messaging app/service that can work via both regular stable connections but also via non-online. Briar is kind of similar to what I am talking about. But it can't/doesn't go as far as I mean. It can send messages via cell data, WiFi, and Bluetooth but as far as I am aware, it can't do a mix of them. And it would still require the person being messaged to be within range of my phone's Bluetooth if not on cell/WiFi. So it doesn't do the hopping I am really interested in (to my understanding).
So I am wanting to be able to have basically zero cell or WiFi signal on my phone, but be able to just have shit be able to bounce around via all methods to get to the person I am trying to reach. So like I could be in a no service spot for my carrier but maybe a friend that also has the app and does have a signal be used to bounce my message from Bluetooth to their cell or WiFi that is working. Then it either get to the final person from that bouncing, or maybe still get it if they are also in a no-signal area but still near another friend that does and is also in their Bluetooth range.
So the message would just hop whatever chain of devices and connections even if it takes a little more time (like if it just had to keep hopping from a number of phones completely through Bluetooth jumping. Would also be cool if it could jump even if the other devices didn't have the app and was just encrypted text-only blobs hopping like how data hops around various servers when online. But aside from the fact that data costs money and would mean basically everyone's shit would get used at all times. The nightmare of how the messages/service would know how to get places, or if maybe it already arrived via one method while a different chain was still trying would be massive. In addition to literally all the other things that would have to be figured out. And that is all before making sure it could be still private in any real way.
When I found out about this app, I was blown away about how cool the concept is. Sadly it was already dead, at that moment it made me wonder why other services weren't build like that. I don't think it will be easy to create a service like that and probably have too many downsides I'm not aware.
Create a key, identify it by a hash of it, and encrypt all mail sent to the account with the key. Allow it to run on top of regular email using one or more email addresses as an alias, but have the key itself be the identifier.
Client 1 creates a key pair > uploads email address(es)/"aliases " that client controlls (signed with key pair) > client 2 searches for emails based on client 1's key or aliases > client 2 sends email through one or more of the accepted inboxes encrypted with public key > client 1 reads encrypted email.
Basically a modernized version of PGP that also handles identification, and similar to how it's been proposed to change Matrix accounts to in order to make them decentralized.
The other way would be a dht of hashed email addresses or hashed keys, but then you could look up live email addresses to send spam to.
The magic of tor v3 is that the plain address record is needed for some time based calculations about the dht record, e.g. they publish the descriptor's of the site using the public key as a reverse lookup
But that wouldn't work to obscure the email or use the email as a lookup because the dht wouldn't have a way to prove the record was true to that email, unless it was sending emails from it
I guess that leaves DNS records or some kind of activity pub system with webfinger
For project management there's quite a few, Taiga.io and Plane.so look the most promising to me.
Idk about CRM though, even after reading what is, I still don't exactly get it
I use SugarCRM when I need a quick and dirty CRM. There are various open source forks. Its fairly easy to integrate. There are a few other FOSS CRM options, too. Never tried them but OnlyOffice has one, GNU Enterprise, SuiteCRM, Dolibarr, etc
You can buy virtual numbers for telegram from fragment.com but yeah there's no other way to sing up without phone number and if any client does provide such feature, there's high chance you would get banned for spam, or the client
Of course you can, I can't tell you exactly how because:
I'm really bad with iOS, I can't even navigate to open the camera there
I mostly share subscription calendars, and one calendar with two users, but both users are from nextcloud
But in any case, caldav like the oldest and the most used calendar sharing protocol in existence
Even google and other corporations use just caldav, there's like nothing more than caldav
Something like invidious and libreddit but for tumblr. Its currently borderline impossible to use tumblr without am account and it drives me NUTS! Ive been tempted to pay somebody for this at this point, im so desperate lmao
Self-sovereign identity, with granular information sharing, and good encryption/signing support. I want to:
be able to create ad-hoc identities
own my identities independent of any third-party provider
be able to slice identity information and selectively share subsets of possibly signed data
cryptographically attest other peoples shared data
have all of this on blockchain, rather than depending on service providers
There's a fair amount of almost solutions, and except for blockchain, nostr has most of the necessary structure. What's missing is a NIP for an identity/profile data format standard, and a spec for data handling. But mainly, apps that make it easy to use, to publish, to verify and validate, and to authorize.
I'm sick of having hundreds of distinct identites scattered around the internet. Having the option to be anonymous or a distinct persona is important, but it shouldn't be necessary every time, and I should always be the owner of that identity.
As usual the blockchain really adds nothing to your proposal. Just allow people to host it on a random web server, there is no reason to have a centralized component at all for this.
Publishing. Forcing people to use web servers comlicates it for non-techies, or centralizes control.
Lookup. Having data scattered aroud the web makes lookup hard, or (again) centralizes control.
Cryptographically verifiable auditability.
Do you understand how blockchains work? I ask to gauge whether you have technical solutions for the problems blockchains solve, or are repeating criticisms of cryptocurrency you've read online.
Yes, I understand how blockchains work and that is exactly why I know that they never add anything. They literally solve no problem.
Blockchains only really "work" if they are part of a community so huge that nobody external can easily add 50%+1 nodes to the network or so useless that nobody would want to spend the money on that. But if you have huge blockchains they are totally impractical to store on every single device which wants to interact with them. Add to that the extremely long delay before anything is added to the blockchain and you can be sure that the longest surviving chain actually includes that block and the (with proof of work) huge waste of energy or (with proof of stake) bias towards people who already have a stake in the chain and you will quickly figure out that blockchain is never the best and in many cases not even any solution. Not to mention how many blockchain proponents think data written to the blockchain magically solves the problem that you need to verify that the data you write to the blockchain is actually accurate (e.g. with all those proposals to use it for proof of origins of products and similar things).
There is a reason all the major blockchains actually in use soon add a layer of services that interact with the blockchain for you and then actually doesn't interact for every transaction. They are all working around the inherent flaws in the technology.
What you're describing is a public ledger, and specifically how Bitcoin and Bitcoin-like, works; you aren't describing limitations of blockchain. Check out AWS's qldb for a non-cryptocoin blockchain db. Now, describe an implementation (in non-technical terms, if desired) that provides the features but that isn't a blockchain.
Open source cars…
They already do this with farming equipment.
They have blueprints to build your own tractor with DIY materials from the hardware store.
Although open source cars might lead to tons of safety issues...
They said open source, not DIY.
Nah man you’re compiling it yourself
Fully DIY stuff is usually a bad idea. Production lines have a purpose. Also when a component goes out of stock it usually becomes a hassle.
Repairability and spare parts are way more important
Might be easier to start with something "simpler" like the ECU or infotainment unit.
I feel like this would be more helpful than a lot of things
An open source and private chat app that everybody wants to use
Signal works. The adoption is fairly slow, but I've had friends slowly begin to use it.
Signal gets some things right, but others wrong, such as phone numbers and centralized architecture. As such, it doesn't fit the "everybody wants to use" part.
WhatsApp uses phone numbers and a centralized architecture. Remind me how many people use it?
Seeing how the dumb community feels trapped now that Meta stopped supporting KaiOS, I can tell there are a lot of people that wish they could leave the service. A lot of spaces make you feel like you have to use it, not want to use it. I used a few months while I was in the UK, but after that I’ve been lucky enough to delete my account as the service was useless elsewhere where other places I lived, no one used it.
…That said, I now have issues with LINE as a defacto chat option locally that gets in the way. My account was crushed after they canceled LINE Lite which was 10× smaller with no bloat or trackers & I refused to “upgrade” (where like WhatsApp & Signal, one is forced to have a mobile device as a primary device). Largely I can inconvenience everyone by making them choose a different means of communication (with email be largely the only common denominator) but if I were dating again, I would inevitably be forced to use the unsafe app putting myself in the position a lot of WhatsApp users feel they are without effective choice.
"some people use" ≠ “everybody wants to use”
(And are you sincerely suggesting WhatsApp, which is run by one of the largest and most aggressive privacy invaders the world has ever known, as a privacy friendly application? I would suggest re-thinking that position if you want to be taken seriously.)
The guy I replied to is saying that not everyone wants to use Signal because it's centralized and based on phone numbers. But billions of people use WhatsApp despite being exactly that. Signal nails the privacy stuff but obviously people don't give a shit because they're using WhatsApp anyway.
I've been using Signal since like 2016 and have not seen any appreciable adoption rate whatsoever within my social network.
I used to actively try to get people to use it but I got enough ambivalent or negative responses that I just stopped asking.
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Exactly. And I gave up trying even when it was "easier". Not to mention, since it can't do SMS anymore, I actually helped my mom. stop using it, because then she'd need 2 different messaging apps. She and I now use Google Messages to text and whatever Google is calling the integrated video chat app now.
Yeah, a new messaging app is definitely a hard sell for me if it's data/wifi only. I have Discord for unimportant internet conversations that can wait for me to burn data and texting for important things like work because I get unlimited texts. Having a separate app for a couple of people would be annoying.
My biggest problem with Signal is how much battery it uses when you don't have Google services on your phone.
It easily uses 30-40% of my battery compared to the rest.
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Signal is great. I miss when it worked with SMS. There are 2 E2EE SMS apps that I'm aware of, bit one is not well supported and the other needs quite a bit of UI work before it's usable by the general public. Also, neither can be used as the default SMS app on Apple phones,but that's not the app's fault.
My problem is that it does not work on multiple devices at the same time, so I have personally given up on it. Maybe it has changed, did not check for a long time.
It works everywhere except Android tablets, and you can just use Molly for that.
I mean, I guess if I’m high enough it’ll seem like I have the messages on my tablet.
Oh, not that Molly…..
If that really works like it reads, it's what I was looking for, thank you!
They are currently in bit trouble as their funds are gone
I don't think they're in trouble, they're just talking about long term funding because it's relevant. Can't expand and get more funding without mentioning that you need it
Of the articles I saw about funding
Source?
This was the article that raised a small stir. Some question the motivation and accuracy of some of the statements. The grabber quote is:
I think he’s talking about this, but it’s very clearly just a normal fundraising pitch that doesn’t even hint at a current issue with funding.
One of their own posts. No motivation to research a link for you
https://signal.org/blog/signal-is-expensive/
Making an extraordinary claim, and then saying you're too lazy to provide a source weakens your claim
Research it yourself. This is a random lemmy comment and not a scientific paper.
https://signal.org/blog/signal-is-expensive/
We would like to raise more funds != our funds are gone.
We got reasonably close with signal, but I know what you mean. I've had friends think I was some sort of escaped convict just because I'd rather use Matrix to chat instead of FB.
https://signal.org/ ?
I love it and have gotten everyone to want to use it?
Lucky you
Signal feels the closest, it's basically equivalent to other messaging apps. Somewhat cleaner and easier to use IMO
The only downside is chat backups for people coming from Messenger, in particular those on iOS devices. Streamlining that process might get me to go "contact me on signal, I don't check messenger often", but right now I get why there's a last bit of friction with my friends
WhatsApp has a similar limitation but they walk you through the backups process. Even then, they limit backups to google drive iirc. Signal could do something similar, but much better by explaining the process and opening up backup locations
Session is coming along nicely, and has true anonymous accounts. But that "everyone wants to use" requirenent is a killer.
Some of the hurtles I've encountered using privacy focused chat apps with friends and family is the lack of smooth group chats and adding people remotely.
Some apps have a QR code feature but also allow you to enter a code. It can be a challenge to setup with older family members.
boomers will always complain and cry.
in their minds, they should be able to buy a device and when they open it up, it should already come pre-installed with their granddaughter's name and contact ready to go through a mind reading technology that knows that knows who bought the device and knows who exactly they want to talk to and when.
Star Trek on steroids or something idk.
The problem here is that a really private application would be p2p over i2p/TOR, but with people behind CG-NAT that is becoming quite troublesome
NFC payments app.
Same. It sucks that most banks wouldn't jump on this train :(
Payment industry regulations are just too much for an open source free project
I know it's an unobtainable dream, but a banking app for every bank on any platform.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_banking
All banks in EU have APIs for this purpose (also see PSD2).
Banks in the US use Open Banking APIs too, they won't open it up for the public to use, though. Every company, not just banks, wants us to have their app on our phone.
This seems to be more of bank-to-bank protocol than a bank-to-customer protocol.
I was developing these apis for one of the biggest banks in central/eastern Europe.
You’re right that they are not intended for bank to customer access directly. What they allow though is for third parties (other banks, mobile apps, services) to access these apis. It requires a licence though.
Point is that a lot of banks in Europe allow to add other bank‘s accounts to their app. Also aggregator apps exist.
Banks could simply come together and develop an open banking standard for customers. Would probably save them a lot of money too, since the development of their stupid apps presumably costs them a lot.
Yeah, but think about all the data they can gather for their marketing team and the ads they can send over notifications.
no way bro that would be too simple and easy for the customer! nah best to just have tracker injected bloated apps infesting everyone's phones.
Maybe thats not too dreaming in some countries... Brazil for example (use the translate that u prefer from pt-BR)
Just use a psyche processor on your Navi and then you can figure out the rest by yourself.
Software that burns down the server of any website that asks for data they don't actually need.
Converse, the fucking shoe company refused to sell me shoes unless I provided a DOB near payment screen. I put in a fake one and my payment didn't validate.
Not that DOBs are private anymore with the last 10 years of breaches, fuck I had medical history AND DMV breached separately in the MoveIt heist this year...and these companies just want us to keep shelling out data
health smartwatch app, with sleep n all features in some opensource format that could use any other app data... utopia, i know
GadgetBridge (Android). You need one of the (many) supported smartwatches. Data is easily exported and processable with, eg, R.
Apple health lets you export the whole shebang as XML if that helps at all
I've heard Garmin can also be used local only with the data exported?
How about this? https://gadgetbridge.org/
I'm able to use it with a Mi Band 7 and I haven't lost any of the original functionality
I like the pinetime, although it definitely isn't all that.
ty all, ll look for them
Gadgetbridge supports a lot of watches.
Not sure if this already exists in some form, but I want something that always records where I've been. I am a very forgetful person and the Google maps timeline feature has been very helpful more than a handful of times. Unfortunately, it means that Google knows exactly where I've been also...
I just want to be able to check where I was the afternoon of a random Tuesday three years ago!
Assuming you can self host, check out OwnTracks (Android). It does that, and you control all the data.
Someone mentioned GPSLogger & Location Map Viewer here: https://lemmy.ca/comment/5402752
I haven't tried them yet, but that could work. I'd also love an easy-to-use version of this, it's just so useful.
When did I last go to the doctor? What was that restaurant we ate at that night?
so helpful
I use GPS Logger as well. Everything is saved locally in a kml file. The trick is to find an optimal settings which gives you enough data points but doesn't kill your batteey in the process.
This is something I'm very interested in too.
Signal to work for SMS again 🙄🙄🙄
For real! One of the things that made using Signal a non-issue for me was due to it being able to use SMS as a fall-back and therefore didn't need me to push friends to also install another message app. I really only first installed it because it was the messaging app my local chapter of the SRA was using. I was excited that it did the shit I loved about the old Google Hangouts before they unnecessarily chose to break shit back out into three replacements. Being able to use a more feature rich messaging service when the people I am messaging also have it is awesome. But being able to still send a basic SMS from the same app without leaving is super nice. It is the main thing I always envied about how iMessage has worked basically forever.
Fortunately some of my friends and co-workers also have needed to install Signal for similar reasons I did or for remote therapy stuff. But it is so hard to get others to just install it just because it is privacy focused and since we already have Facebook Messenger/Discord/Snap/IG/Line and of course SMS. Also hate feeling like I am being pushy or annoying unless I am directly asked about apps to try or some specific reason.
I also have fond memories of using Gaim/Pidgin back in the day for being able to just have one IM client that could work with basically whatever any of my friends/contacts liked using. A universal chat/message client really seems like something that would be cool to see come back.
Sms isn't secure or private, it doesn't make sense to include it in a privacy focused messaging app.
I also would like to have a universal messaging client but sadly it doesn't seem possible , just look at the recent reverse engineered iMessage apps, why would you waste all that effort reverse-engineering proprietary chat apps, when they can get (and will get) shut down by the service. Especially while better, open protocols exist.
I know right? Makes me so mad, I used to donate to them, but removing SMS is gonna kill uptake
Try beeper, it'll let you use sms and signal (among others) on the same app, the app isn't open source but their server infrastructure is open source and self hostable (it might not be easy to self host it though)
I wish!!!
A browser addon that utterly floods advertisers and trackers with dummy data. A single person using it is easy to single out. A thousand start to eat into the profits. 100k should make them go offline (DDoS'ed) with an interesting frequency.
There is one that clicks every ad it sees. Adnauseam.
Something like that, but that manages to click at least 50 times would be awesome
This would be amazing
A ridiculously user-friendly encrypted email default.
DeltaChat?
I'm so used to GPG, I no longer know which parts aren't user friendly.
The hard part is getting used to it. How do I share my public keys? How do I use GPG (the program)? How do I access them easily? What do I do when I want to encrypt my mails on desktop (maybe Windows+Linux), laptop, and phone? It's just relatively much work to gather the knowledge.
+ the fact there're not many people using it
There are so many email clients, any email encryption system has an uphill battle to adoption. It's easier to just build a new ecosystem.
Even between providers? I think it won't ever be easy as long as the protocol isn't encrypted by default (which it will never be honestly)
Do services count? Because in that case, ride-hailing. A replacement for services like Uber and Lyft.
A private ride hailing app sounds like a safety nightmare. It's one of those things you want blazingly documented and auditable
I agree that data collection is a good security measure in this case. But privacy friendly does not necessarily mean there is no data collected. Important is that nothing is shared with 3rd parties and all data is well protected.
Safety features nessaseraly demand open and auditable by third parties.
We need to be able to ensure that abusers aren't hopping around companies abusing passengers or drivers, for example. It's hard to do that with complete privacy.
It's one of the cases where strong regulations so third parties can't do things with your data is important, but also sharing that data to protect yourself and others more vulnerable than you is important.
So true! In Germany we have Blablacar and Flixbus / Flixtrain, which have soo much better services to travel cheaply. But its proprietary "install our app" garbage
What's wrong with taxi services?
From a client perspective Uber and Lyft don't solve any issue that taxi services don't. They may be more convenient/accessible by providing an app, but that's not an unsolvable issue.
But from a privacy perspective taxis clearly have a leg up since you're an anonymous customer.
Off the top of my head, taxi services lack:
I think most (maybe all) of this could be solved by something like a clearinghouse for taxi rides, effectively federating the various taxi services in an area, with a web app available for hailing.
Something that produces a wealth of plausible web traffic on my connection and browser that woefully misleads anyone monitoring it as to what I actually am browsing. Rather than hiding my traffic or ensuring some hyper level of encryption I simply want to use maybe an LLM or something to create such a close facimilie to "normal" online traffic that my online fingerprint becomes useless as sub 5% of my traffic is actually real.
Essentially I want privacy through drowning out everything with noise. It seems like the harder the to unwind in the end if done in a clever way. That plus some basic security protections and I will feel fairly secure.
That's the premise behind AdNauseam, albeit only for ads and not general navigation: It clicks all the ads in the background, so the data won't ever target the real you.
I just want GoG but for movies
There are some apps on fdroid that aggregate shows and movies from several websites
Sorry I should have clarified.
I want to legally buy my movie paying it to the creators, and be able do do whatever I want with my copy with me knowing I bought it just for buying it and being allowed to Own it without it being a DVD, because I don't want DVDs, because I live in 16m² and I move way to often, while keeping the concept of buying it
just torrent everything. it's so damn convenient and easy nowadays. if they dont wanna give you an easy way to buy and keep their movies, fuck em.
Buy online and webrip? 🤔
But I wouldn't buy anything anyway (and also, who is using DVDs these days? 🫥)
Some people have already advanced to me too but blue rays and scan them when proposing GoG but for minutes
Me getting ideas from this thread
please take them :)
Not sure if this counts, but a simple FOSS BIOS/UEFI option that could be installed on most desktops and laptops. The current options (Libreboot, coreboot) are very limited in compatible hardware.
Android auto
There are some projects that already do this
A version of WhatsApp that doesn't require full access to all your contacts to work properly. I have about 10 people I need to Whatapp with - I just want to add those people. Meta doesn't need to know my Doctor's phone number.
Not sure if its useful to you but grapheneos has contact scopes that lets you choose which contacts an application has access to.
You can't do that because its proprietary software. Also meta makes money from data so it makes sense they would want to analyze your contacts
I never said it was attainable.
I would like a browser addon that drops poisoned data when surfing the web. Instead of trying to restrict how much of my data gets collected, spread useless data across their sites.
Adnauseum does this. I think it simulates clicks to ads and corrupts your advertising profile.
A local personal assistant that isn't just focused on media consumption or purchasing. I want to ask about my most efficient route or ideal presents for my partner or a medical condition without it being data mined.
What about mycroft?
an anonymous front-end for viewing Facebook pages á la Nitter or Invidious.
Yes please. Very frustrating encountering businesses and groups that only have a presence on facebook, no dedicated website or anything 😒
An open source app for those bag, key, and wallet trackers. Maybe I just haven't been able to find one
That won't really work because the trackers themselves need other people's phones to work so they basically have to be integrated with some large phone vendor's or phone OS vendor's infrastructure.
I'm not looking for a Tile-like network. Most of these cheap devices seem to work off of just letting you know when you are disconnecting from their Bluetooth as far as I know.
For tile thats a paid feature lol, as in monthly subscription to use a device you paid for to its fullest extent.
Yeah I know that's part of the reason I'm looking for an open source alternative. Tile does more than that when you have a membership but I don't need a huge suite of features
I made a weather app for android because most of them wanted my data.
Which one? I'm using geometric weather, and there is a FOSS clone/adaptation called breezy weather that I'd love to use but unfortunately there's an unfixable bug, so I'm more than happy to look for alternatives.
It's called Weather Warbler. It's very simple. Still adding additional features when I have time.
Just had a look, any idea specific reason why there is a light grey line on top? That completely obscures my title bar.
Else I like the simplicity! Would be nice to have wind speeds in km/h as well.
And if you are looking for features to implement, having a persistent task bar icon that shows the current temperature is my personal must-have.
Hey, thanks for checking it out and giving feedback!
Can you attach a photo of the grey line and what model you're using? I'll see if I can reproduce and fix it.
Adding the wind speed option should be easy, I'll try adding that in the next release, probably around the end of December when I have some downtime.
I will also see how to implement a persistent task bar icon, I haven't done that before, but feel it would be useful for sure.
Again, thanks for the feedback!
Sure, here you go: https://imgur.com/a/pkAwdqy
In the screenshot my title bar is still vaguely visible, on screen with a higher brightness setting it's next to invisible. You can actually barely make out the temperate icon from geometric weather there.
I'm using a OnePlus 10 pro on Android 12, with Nova Launcher installed, in case that makes a difference.
Thanks. I'm actually just changed some of the colors and will be working on better col9rs, so thank you for that feedback.
I was also able to get the kilometers per hour on the settings page the current release, so it should be available in the play store soon.
Again, thank you!
Awesome, thanks a lot! I'll wait for the update then, not currently available here. Guess it's a staged rollout.
I like wX on F-Droid.
Just had a look, seems to be US only.
Not sure if this exists at all, privacy friendly or not, but it is something where privacy would be extremely important.
I would love to have some sort of application that allows the mapping of atomic (as in minimal) political statements and their logical relationships (e.g. if this is true then this other statement can't also be true) and evidence from media for their truth or falsehood. Probably also some sort of glossary of precise word definitions and which statement uses which of the definitions. This part should probably be done publicly and shared with other users apart from maybe a mechanism to obscure who added which information but this next part can not be public but lots of people would want the information. You should be able to mark each of those statements as something you agree with or not and then explore the implications of your opinions.
I feel something like that would be nice to replace the constant repetition of the same arguments on the same issues, especially if one could publicly link to individual statements from anywhere on the internet.
hmm, that sounds interesting. have you checked out Ground News? this reminds me of that
I like the concept of Ground News, but about the privacy...
According to Exodus, their mobile app contains 9 trackers:
Also wants location, camera, phone state, and advertising ID access?!
No thanks.
Honestly its my rule of thumb just to not use anything that I see sponsor multiple youtube videos that isnt DIRECTLY related to the content.
Could you just use the mobile site?
Didn't realize they had one, appears a lot of functionality requires an account to use. I'd be cautious overall based on the privacy practices they use in their mobile app, doesn't seem to be a big concern for them and I'd be careful giving them any trust. But if you do wish to use them, their mobile site with a good content blocker would definitely be the best option (preferably without an account if possible).
For sure, I haven't used them much but I was planning to look into it when I had a chance
I'm going to keep this in mind, I'm working on a similar tagging API
Good Todolist app like MS Todo, but better and privacy friendly and open source
Have you tried Quillpad?
https://tasks.org/
they arent good tbh
SimpleTask? This one is hard only because there are a million todo task apps.
Orgzly Revived
Ever since Signal removed SMS capability I've really hoped to see SMS added to the FOSS fork Molly.
For Signal to actually show notifications, I don't understand how this bug still exists after years of it being known.
Mine does on android ? Or you mean like popups?
Android!!
And like 5 different people I know have the same issue on android.
The only fix I was able to do was use molly-foss which doesn't use google push notifications but it really drains the battery
Members of my family on iOS bitch about this regularly. I'm tired of hearing about it. Works fine on my android device.
Search engine like yacy. Open scource and p2p.
Havent tried every app but If I had to think of some:
Edit: Second an offline fitness tracker where a person can manually input info. Been using an ods file for a couple of years but its a pain to use collabora on android
khal, for Linux. For mobile there's an ICS adaptor for use with your offline foss calendar app - there are several in fdroid.
DeadHash calculates and validates a half dozen different hash sums for files.
Damn I appreciate you. Thank you
You're welcome, citizen.
fwoosh
check out freetube for invidious
check out newpipe as well for peertube
An open-source, federated, and privacy-protecting alternative to the dominant advertising services. Something that gives the individual web user full control of which ads they see; from which indies, organizations, companies or any other groups. And where they can also filter ads based on clear categories, values, or tags, rather than everything being dictated by algorithms and "relevancy".
I actually didn't think about it much, because I block all ads. But consumerism can be fun, I wouldn't mind ads if I had a say in which I see.
Weird how neolibs are proponents of the free market all the time, but at the same time insist on shoving crap we don't want down our throats. I like your suggestion.
I think that is called eMail-Newsletters...
eMail is federated, there are newsletter-services that are open source, and you can subscribe and unsubscribe very easily.
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Not directly what you are looking for, but did you check syncthing?
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I use syncthing as camera backup, what could be the problem? 🤔
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Why, works perfectly for me
I map the my cloud import directory to syncthing, or the other way
And like once in a week, or by a timer, import all the photos
I don't know, hearing that syncthing isn't good for something doesn't set that easy for me
I use for the last two or even more years, and I didn't disappoint me even once
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Sounds like something like that should exist, there are many alternatives to nextcloud, plus nextcloud itself is working again on its e2e
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You should just ask this separately on [email protected]
I'm not really into different clouds, I use nextcloud only for work/business stuff, for everything else I use syncthing, sorry
I've used it some time ago and it seemed to work
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Could Cryptomator and any cloud service be a solution for your needs?
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Does sync.com meet all your needs? Not sure about point 3 as not sure what you mean
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Well working, good looking airgaped password manager
There are some, but they are mostly like proof of concept
Keepass?
Love keepass, but I mean something different
A password manager that can keep passwords on one device, and use the passwords on the other, without the storing one being connected to any network, etc
KeePass with inputstick. It's a device that plugs into a USB A port, and your phone talks to it via Bluetooth. It emulates a keyboard (and mouse if you want), and there's a KeePass plugin for KeePass2Android.
You open one of your password entries, click the username, and it types the username on your computer via inputstick. Ditto for passwords and totp or other fields.
You can also use inputstick to just remotely control your computer, albeit locally only and without a monitor connection. I've used it to control my raspberry pi or android TV, aside from password entry.
With this, you can have your password database be completely offline and your computer have no lasting knowledge of your passwords. Of course, a keylogger would still get the passwords that are "typed".
I've had one of these $40 devices for a few years. I don't use it too often, as I tend to synchronize my KeePass database on all of them, but it does come in handy. I wish the developer of the hardware made a usb-c one, but it works with usb-c to usb-a dongles.
Hmm, it seems I missed this, saw the plugin many-many times, but thought it works with USB cables
Interesting, sadly I can't get my hands on any inputstick (the area I live in is very harsh on importing stuff except local marketplaces(which don't have the device))
At the same time it uses Bluetooth, which makes it not fully airgapped
Maybe some time later I will get into developing something similar, but wity nrf chips
A messaging app/service that can work via both regular stable connections but also via non-online. Briar is kind of similar to what I am talking about. But it can't/doesn't go as far as I mean. It can send messages via cell data, WiFi, and Bluetooth but as far as I am aware, it can't do a mix of them. And it would still require the person being messaged to be within range of my phone's Bluetooth if not on cell/WiFi. So it doesn't do the hopping I am really interested in (to my understanding).
So I am wanting to be able to have basically zero cell or WiFi signal on my phone, but be able to just have shit be able to bounce around via all methods to get to the person I am trying to reach. So like I could be in a no service spot for my carrier but maybe a friend that also has the app and does have a signal be used to bounce my message from Bluetooth to their cell or WiFi that is working. Then it either get to the final person from that bouncing, or maybe still get it if they are also in a no-signal area but still near another friend that does and is also in their Bluetooth range.
So the message would just hop whatever chain of devices and connections even if it takes a little more time (like if it just had to keep hopping from a number of phones completely through Bluetooth jumping. Would also be cool if it could jump even if the other devices didn't have the app and was just encrypted text-only blobs hopping like how data hops around various servers when online. But aside from the fact that data costs money and would mean basically everyone's shit would get used at all times. The nightmare of how the messages/service would know how to get places, or if maybe it already arrived via one method while a different chain was still trying would be massive. In addition to literally all the other things that would have to be figured out. And that is all before making sure it could be still private in any real way.
You wanted Firechat. It was closed-source, though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat
When I found out about this app, I was blown away about how cool the concept is. Sadly it was already dead, at that moment it made me wonder why other services weren't build like that. I don't think it will be easy to create a service like that and probably have too many downsides I'm not aware.
Privacy.com, but in other countries than the US
They are dozens of great, free software applications developed… the problem is getting the masses to use these applications.
A google Keep alternative where I can share certain notes with someone and have live collaboration on them.
cryptpad
have you found an alternative or work-around for Keep or Tasks?
You can self host Joplin or Trilium.
Ummmm, ALL of them.
Decentralized encrypted email.
Create a key, identify it by a hash of it, and encrypt all mail sent to the account with the key. Allow it to run on top of regular email using one or more email addresses as an alias, but have the key itself be the identifier.
Client 1 creates a key pair > uploads email address(es)/"aliases " that client controlls (signed with key pair) > client 2 searches for emails based on client 1's key or aliases > client 2 sends email through one or more of the accepted inboxes encrypted with public key > client 1 reads encrypted email.
Basically a modernized version of PGP that also handles identification, and similar to how it's been proposed to change Matrix accounts to in order to make them decentralized.
I mean, delta.chat exists...
The other way would be a dht of hashed email addresses or hashed keys, but then you could look up live email addresses to send spam to.
The magic of tor v3 is that the plain address record is needed for some time based calculations about the dht record, e.g. they publish the descriptor's of the site using the public key as a reverse lookup
But that wouldn't work to obscure the email or use the email as a lookup because the dht wouldn't have a way to prove the record was true to that email, unless it was sending emails from it
I guess that leaves DNS records or some kind of activity pub system with webfinger
Unfortunately I don't think email can ever really be that private or secure.
Project Management and CRM ecosystem -___- Who's down to make one. LOL.
For project management there's quite a few, Taiga.io and Plane.so look the most promising to me.
Idk about CRM though, even after reading what is, I still don't exactly get it
Project management: Projeqtor
CRM: Dolibarr
Both: Odoo
I use SugarCRM when I need a quick and dirty CRM. There are various open source forks. Its fairly easy to integrate. There are a few other FOSS CRM options, too. Never tried them but OnlyOffice has one, GNU Enterprise, SuiteCRM, Dolibarr, etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_CRM_systems
IMO, the move would be to pick one and build integration for FOSS PM tools.
I'd love a self-hostable tool like trakt or simkl, to track my media consumption, as well as release dates.
You can buy virtual numbers for telegram from fragment.com but yeah there's no other way to sing up without phone number and if any client does provide such feature, there's high chance you would get banned for spam, or the client
Did you try Session? https://getsession.org/
You wanted to say SimpleX
a shared calendar app!
🫣🫣🫣 since when those don't exist?
one that respects your data and privacy? i’ve not heard of one
CalDav + any calendar app from fdroid? 🫣
can you share the calendars with other people? i’m on ios and the other party is on android
Of course you can, I can't tell you exactly how because:
But in any case, caldav like the oldest and the most used calendar sharing protocol in existence Even google and other corporations use just caldav, there's like nothing more than caldav
Something like invidious and libreddit but for tumblr. Its currently borderline impossible to use tumblr without am account and it drives me NUTS! Ive been tempted to pay somebody for this at this point, im so desperate lmao
Self-sovereign identity, with granular information sharing, and good encryption/signing support. I want to:
There's a fair amount of almost solutions, and except for blockchain, nostr has most of the necessary structure. What's missing is a NIP for an identity/profile data format standard, and a spec for data handling. But mainly, apps that make it easy to use, to publish, to verify and validate, and to authorize.
I'm sick of having hundreds of distinct identites scattered around the internet. Having the option to be anonymous or a distinct persona is important, but it shouldn't be necessary every time, and I should always be the owner of that identity.
As usual the blockchain really adds nothing to your proposal. Just allow people to host it on a random web server, there is no reason to have a centralized component at all for this.
Do you understand how blockchains work? I ask to gauge whether you have technical solutions for the problems blockchains solve, or are repeating criticisms of cryptocurrency you've read online.
Yes, I understand how blockchains work and that is exactly why I know that they never add anything. They literally solve no problem.
Blockchains only really "work" if they are part of a community so huge that nobody external can easily add 50%+1 nodes to the network or so useless that nobody would want to spend the money on that. But if you have huge blockchains they are totally impractical to store on every single device which wants to interact with them. Add to that the extremely long delay before anything is added to the blockchain and you can be sure that the longest surviving chain actually includes that block and the (with proof of work) huge waste of energy or (with proof of stake) bias towards people who already have a stake in the chain and you will quickly figure out that blockchain is never the best and in many cases not even any solution. Not to mention how many blockchain proponents think data written to the blockchain magically solves the problem that you need to verify that the data you write to the blockchain is actually accurate (e.g. with all those proposals to use it for proof of origins of products and similar things).
There is a reason all the major blockchains actually in use soon add a layer of services that interact with the blockchain for you and then actually doesn't interact for every transaction. They are all working around the inherent flaws in the technology.
What you're describing is a public ledger, and specifically how Bitcoin and Bitcoin-like, works; you aren't describing limitations of blockchain. Check out AWS's qldb for a non-cryptocoin blockchain db. Now, describe an implementation (in non-technical terms, if desired) that provides the features but that isn't a blockchain.
Not sure if this exists but digital privacy awareness apps and mini games for educating people. (graphical content)
Foss matrix client with OTR support. For android and linux.
What does OTR mean in this context?
Why OTR? Even XMPP clients have mostly moved on now in favor of OMEMO.
Probably because Im old. I was not aware of OMEMO. Looking for end to end encryption.
What do you mean by OTR, in this context?
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/OTR
Eta: Probably "Off-the-record?"
Or just any well working matrix client because for me they all feel unstable
Element has added so much to Matrix that the barrier for even making an MVP app is a bit intimidating IMO
Pen and paper