These people don't even read their own literature. The Catholic church's ban on alchemy is about falsely claiming something is a valuable metal in order to pay for debts. It has nothing to do with the occult -- the ban was because it's a sin to lie / cheat / steal. A saint is even on record saying that alchemical gold is ok if the end if product is real gold.
With that context, of course God doesn't give a shit if you use SQLAlchemy as long as you aren't using it to defraud people. If you were defrauding people, it wouldn't matter what tool you used.
I mean, these are the same people who won't watch Big Bang Theory because the title is heretical, or believe that playing Magic the Gathering or Pokemon TCG are literally summoning demons and spirits into the world, or who believe that playing D&D is doing the same. Rationality is not exactly their strong suit.
Would deleting an executable file without running it be equivalent to an abortion? Or is it more like contraception? Either way some religions ban both of those
Oh, sorry. I created a misunderstanding it seems. I was referring to actual soap, not SOAP. I can still hear dad telling me to go wash my mouth with soap.
Yeah. I consider it important to maintain a healthy agnosticism about the possibility of heaven. It's dangerous to wait to start living as the person I want to be!
But on the topic of hell - well, I've needed to make two computers talk to eachother using the XML specification. I know that hell is very real.
My favorite thing about the "easter egg" he specifically mentions is that Alembics are still used in chemistry to this day. They are just a way to condense vaporized gasses and collect them.
The user shouldn't code in Python. That's a fucking serpent. It caused Eve to eat the apple. Original sin. Holy shit, the most popular coding language is from the fucking devil! Mask off, mind blown, what the eff.
TL;DR The fruit of the tree of knowledge being a literal apple is non-canon, being entirely based on a pun.
The word "apple" is not used in the Bible, that is, unless the Bible in question is a translation that specifically uses that word. Even then, see below.
The whole apple thing comes from:
the fact that the word for "apple" can be used as a synonym for "(any) fruit" in some languages and context, and so could mean any fruit.
Think about French pomme de terre for "potato" which is literally "apple (meaning 'fruit') of the earth". Dutch has aardappel (earth apple) which is the same thing. Fun fact: Old English eorþæppel (earth apple) allegedly meant "cucumber". Go figure. But I digress.
Latin is the main ecclesiastical language for one particularly influential branch of Christianity and one word for apple in Latin is "malus". That sounds like a lot of unrelated Latin words that start "mal-" that mean bad or evil, thus an apparent connection to the fruit of the tree of knowledge also leading to evil.
(I mean, it might actually be a proto-apple of some sort (modern apples did not exist 7000 years ago or whenever it was supposed to be) but the Bible doesn't specify.
Some scholars think that the whole thing developed out of metaphor for abandoning a hunter-gatherer lifestyle for farming. Others think that it might be a reference to beer / alcohol, which is one of the first things humans got interested in after farming.)
Additionally, the idea that the serpent in the garden of eden is the devil is post-biblical.
First of all, the old testament doesn't really present the devil as a character, at all. Satan is a Hebrew word meaning "accuser", not a name of a specific entity.
For example, in the book of Job, a bunch of angels come before God, and "hasatan/the accuser" is among them; it seems more like it's a job title of one of the angels than as being the Christian idea of the devil.
Second of all, the new testament doesn't unambiguously call the serpent in the garden of eden the devil, literally anywhere.
Christians will often point to Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Although this is probably a reference to Leviathan instead, who is called both a dragon and a serpent elsewhere, and features in canaanite creation myths that are referenced elsewhere (e.g. Isaiah 27 closely mirrors some Ugaritic tablets we've found, just replacing Baal defeating Leviathan with God defeating Leviathan)
They'll also cite some verses calling the devil the father of lies, although this is fairly ambiguous. Particularly since the serpent doesn't actually say anything untrue in Genesis - it's at best a lie of omission, and saying it's a lie of omission presupposes that the serpent knew how God would punish everyone involved.
I was genuinely taught by my churh not to use apple products for this exact reason. The youth leaders went on a whole tangent about the symbolism. They thought Apple, the company, was trying to trick us all into satanism.
It was a little bit like that video of the lady preaching about Monster energy drinks. Oh, and you better believe they showed us all that video unironically.
But c'mon, at least Monster is supposed to be edgy. Apple is literally just an apple. Insanity, I tell you
Well I'm pretty sure that is the symbolism they were using, and either implying it gives your freedom or knowledge, I assume the former. It's a pretty good symbol if you agree that eating the theoretical apple is actually a good thing.
That's a cool way to look at it! I got curious so I looked it up, and I found an interview with the guy who designed the logo, and he said it's a myth.
Of course, I'll add that there might be more to the story than that. IIRC the name was chosen before the logo, so this doesn't rule out that the name itself was a reference to the bible story. Also, if it was, I kinda doubt that Apple would openly confirm it now, knowing it could cause them to lose some of their customers. 🤷
Isn't the story, nobody came up with a good name for the company and Steve Jobs said you have x days to come up with a name I like, or I just call it Apple? And they didn't?
What I heard was that they can have cold but not hot caffeine. Does that mean they can use Java only on well cooled computers? Or does java refer to a specific kind of coffee (that is not cold)? Well apparently Java is an island in Indonesia where Java coffee is grown. That would mean that Java could be cold brew and that they can so long as their computer is cool enough for it not to be considered hot. The exact definition of hot is tricky, though cold brew is typically served at refrigerated temperatures which would mean the computer would need sub-ambient cooling.
Tldr: they need a computer with sub-ambient cooling.
Honestly, I think it has already been made. I could have sworn there was a Krampus movie that cast Santa as some sort of jolly ass-kicking Chad who came in to save the day. Krampus being the Satan stand in in this case.
I just skimmed this but shouldn't people who are unable/ubwilling to live in the modern world be true to themselves and also not code in some demonic language?
it's easier to find obvious faults when something is held close for examination. Shoving this one in our faces has given us greater opportunity for close study. Other brands of hokum may include an actual space ship to rocket the most a faithful away or a con man who this one final time miraculously went straight, rituals with one rolled pant-leg, or alien spirits living in volcanoes. But we don't talk about them so much as they keep their weirdness in the shadows.
The term was coined by the programmers at MIT's Project MAC. According to Fernando J. Corbató, who worked on Project MAC in 1963, his team was the first to use the term daemon, inspired by Maxwell's demon, an imaginary agent in physics and thermodynamics that helped to sort molecules, stating, "We fancifully began to use the word daemon to describe background processes that worked tirelessly to perform system chores".[2] Unix systems inherited this terminology. Maxwell's demon is consistent with Greek mythology's interpretation of a daemon as a supernatural being working in the background.
I had a crazy Catholic prepper neighbor way back in '99 (she was the hipster of preppers, one of the things she railed about was all the people prepping just for y2k when she had already been doing it for years, but that's another story) and one of her things was how evil bill gates was- so I told her Linux was evil-er because of the daemons. Gave her a lot to think about.
That's taking the LORD's name in vain which, according to Catholicism, is considered blasphemy which is literally THE single worst type of sin you can commit. See you in the 9th circle!
Not religious nor an expert on this, but as far as I know:
"Taking the Lord's Name in Vain" is the technical term in Christianity for using words that refer to God/Jesus in any context that isn't directly referring to them, which is considered a form of blasphemy. The majority of Christians, Catholics especially, believe that even expressions like "oh my god!" or exclaiming "Jesus!" when surprised constitute taking the Lord's name in vain, or as is what is happening here, where you use Jesus for something unrelated to him. And the bible does make it very clear that blasphemy is worse than literally any other sin.
I think there are more rules, too. I think you're not allowed to swear (wherever that comes from). And there are restrictions/superstitions(?) put on other names. I don't think christians speak out Satan / Beelzebub. Probably because calling their name conjures a deamon or people said names have some power to them.
Alchemy isn't even a strictly occult thing. It was something done in the medieval era that was basically a very early form of science before most of the things they were trying to do were considered impossible
I mean alchemy is an occult practice. It's just history only pays attention to the physical aspects (turning things into gold, etc). Often times the medium to turn a substance into gold is called the philosophers stone
But this is only a portion of it. The philosophers stone in alchemy is actually spiritual enlightenment or becoming one with everything. Hence the concept of turning anything into gold, gold being enlightenment and the universe and the plain material before the transformation is preenlightened individuals. They all become the same (one, gold) after attaining it.
Most alchemical philosophy is occult/spiritual and the chemistry aspects are a metaphor for the evolution of the soul.
I think because modernity is mostly materialist in its philosophy that we ignore the underlying spirituality associated with alchemy
I used to have an rpg on steam, with "fantasy" in the name. One day someone sent me an email asking if there was any way to remove all references to magic from the game so they could play it, as having witches and stuff was a big no for them, but they still wanted to try the game.
I remember when Bioshock Infinite came out, a few weirdos were demanding refunds because in the first
10 minutes of the game, a scene with a bunch of cultists requires you to click a button to "Accept Baptism" from them. They were refusing to push the button on religious grounds, and so they soft locked themselves out of playing the rest of the game. Smh.
They also had that in Fc4. If you don’t run away, eventually the dictator comes back and takes you to spread your mother’s ashes, and later takes your on a helicopter tour to shoot guns and stuff. Credits roll.
Isn't the whole point of the series to highlight the way games give you only an illusion of freedom and are instead railroading you all the time? That option would go against the whole philosophy of the game.
Reminds me of Alundra on the PS1, where at some point the game forced you to accept praying in a church; I tried to reject it but the game wouldn't let me. It ended up being plot relevant in the end, as
::: spoiler spoiler
you prayed to some demon or something and that allowed him to enter your dreams or something like that, I don't remember too well)
:::
Hello there, stranger! I seem to have misplaced my ring! You look gullible enough that I can trick you into looking for it for me, because I am too lazy to do it myself!
This person is really gonna hate my new web framework "I submit to the horned lord, Lucifer, the light bringer and ruler of this world. All hail Satan."
I think it's gonna be big since it's the only web framework for Malbolge.
It's OK. I'm making a joke, not calling the corners... Though I guess this could be sort of a ward for a software community, but I think it wouldn't have to be any kind of accurate to work given the entity it's keeping out.
Use Ark to compress all your files and place them in a shielded metal box. Save yourself from the flood of solar flares that God will send to rid the world of all the sinful data. Make sure to include exactly 2 copies of each of God’s programs.
Based on the comments in here, this joke went over many heads... Does not want to use a tool called Alchemy, but has tried one called Peewee, as in using Peewees in catholic church is ok (Peewees is referred to kids in amateur sports between 12-13 years of age)
Phillips heads have a cross on it, and you probably shouldn't use a cross like that so they're a no-go. Jesus was nailed to the cross, so using nails is bad. You better be safe and just not drive anything into wood for that matter...
I hearby excumicate myself from the religion of c++ to start the far superior religion of c#. All those who remain with that heathonistic static class oriented language shall burn in the pits of compiler hell.
This post was a joke but I once had a woman scream at me for an hour that her account number had 666 in the middle of it. She was extremely upset that nobody warned her about this. She wanted a new account AND a refund for the entire time that the "sinful" account was active.
I should mention that her account was 15 years old at the time. The number never changed during that time it was always the same. She screamed so long and hard that they gave her a credit that essentially covered an entire year of service. I hate it here 😀
If they understood the difference between fact and fiction they wouldn't be a catholic. They're supposed to believe that crackers and wine literally turn into Jesus's body and blood by saying an incantation. Alchemy makes more sense than that, so I could see some people having issues.
I agree most probably don't believe it, but a catholic should if they're keeping with the teachings of the church. Yes, it's absolutely insane, but it's not even close to the most insane thing.
Also, you can't prove a negative, except by countering every other case, which is impossible in the case of a god. Of course there isn't any evidence there isn't a god because what could that even be? There can't be any. The only thing that can be proven is contradicting claims made by others, but obviously they can just shift to the next thing because you can't disprove every possible one.
There's no evidence there aren't leprechauns or unicorns, but anyone making the claim there has the burden of proof. There is no burden of proof to not believe things. You just don't believe it.
My bad, I am not so well versed in the theological concepts. I asked one philosopher and she said that transubstantiation is beyond human understanding. So I agree. That is insane.
There aren't evidence that unicorns don't exist but there is certain probability that they don't exist. If so far no one spoted them then a) they are super rare (they would need better luck than Dream) or b) they don't exist
God on the other hand isn't physical and we can't take a picture of Him like some sort unicorn. There are certain aspects of the world that skew the probability for the existence of God. Prophets, teachings and miracles of Christ, possessions, various apparitions, time before big bang. These things slightly skew the probability of existance of God but certainly they don't provide definite answer.
There aren't evidence that unicorns don't exist but there is certain probability that they don't exist. If so far no one spoted them then a) they are super rare (they would need better luck than Dream) or b) they don't exist
If I believed in unicorns I would probably just say they're magical so they can avoid detection. Problem solved. There's no way to collect evidence for them, but they can't be disproven.
There are certain aspects of the world that skew the probability for the existence of God. Prophets, teachings and miracles of Christ, possessions, various apparitions, time before big bang. These things slightly skew the probability of existance of God but certainly they don't provide definite answer.
These do not really skew the probability for any god in particular. Every god has the same claims, and there are thousands, if not far more, of them, and they're usually mutually exclusive. Using probability, if they're all equally probably, the probability you were born to parents who believe the correct one is effectively zero.
Now there's Pascal's Wager to deal with, that is you're better off believing because the finite things you give up in this life weighed against the infinite reward if he's real. However, again, every god has equal claim to this wager, and they're mutually exclusive. You will give up something measurable and there are effectively infinite petitioners, so the wager is hardly even worth discussing. It's just apologetics.
Then you are changing the nature of unicorns. Usually in books they are made of physical stuff and interact with physical stuff. But if they can't do that then they would be made of the same stuff that souls and angels are made. And then you are changing question from "Does this weird animal exist?" to "Does higher mode of existence that we can't detect exist"
Every god has the same claims
I think you are confusing gods with religions. There are 20 major religions. There are of course monotheistic and polytheistic religions. We could split my claim to two basic components. One 'humans have a undetectable soul or spiritual element to them'. And two 'The Christianity is correct religion'
The prevalent existence of spirituality in Ethnic Tribes is an argument for spiritual element in humans. I will assume that we are in agreement on that point. If you want You can come up with an argument against this.
I don't think that Christianity is definitely correct. I didn't put the work to have that strong of an opinion on the topic. It definitely helped that I was born in the culture that already had Christianity ingrained in it's roots. It also gave me personally some benefit to my mental well being. I think that it is neat that in some christian circles it is encouraged to question your own beliefs and trying to get to the truth.
Pascal's wager was nice at that time for its simplicity, but when counterarguments come up, it became messy and complicated. It is still worth a mention as a historical milestone in philosophy.
Sure, as is my right. This is what happens with religion constantly. For example, Pope Benedict XVI believes in evolution and the big bang. These remove the domain of God from creating all creatures, the earth, etc. Sure, it still leaves room for God to start it all off, but it is changing a fundamental aspect of creation. It's the god of the gaps.
There are 20 major religions
There are currently 20 major religions. There have been many more through human history. The vast majority don't exist anymore. Two of those, Islam and Christianity (plus Judaism), believe in the same god. Abrahamic religion all comes from previous religions though. You can compare the stories in the Bible to stories of other beliefs in the region and they match, though some aspect vary. Religion evolves. (Which I'd argue is evidence that it isn't correct. If it were correct it'd never change.)
The prevalent existence of spirituality in Ethnic Tribes is an argument for spiritual element in humans. I will assume that we are in agreement on that point.
I agree it's an argument for humans to believe in something spiritual, but not that it's accurate. We don't need to explain lightning with something in the sky fighting or anything anymore. We don't need to explain mountains with gods having risen from them or anything anymore. Spirituality in humans is evidence of humans wanting an explanation for things, regardless of their knowledge of how it actually came to be, and nothing more.
It also gave me personally some benefit to my mental well being.
That's good. For me it was only a negative influence. It didn't make me feel better and only told me what to do. I don't agree with many morals the Bible teaches (and neither do most Christians), and I'd rather have morals that treat people well regardless of what they or I believe. I don't need religion to constrain my behavior, and it would prevent me from doing things I want to do and cause me to do things I don't want to do.
If it's a positive for you then fine, though I'd argue there's probably some other religions that have better effects. When I was poking at religious beliefs when I was a teenager I really liked Buddhism. It's a much more relaxing religion and makes much fewer claims and demands. That's how I became an atheist though is I learned about other religions and noticed they all have equally valid claims, so I just don't believe any.
The fact is there is no evidence for existance of God Flying Spaghetti Monster. But also there is no evidence that disproves the existence of God Flying Spaghetti Monster.
No, you just exchanged one metaphysical entity that is prevalent in culture to the one that isn't. It doesn't change the lack of possibility of evidence for either of them.
No, Catholicism dogma says it literally changes into it through transubstantiation. That's what the church teaches. You can not believe that part if you like, like I do, I just go slightly further and not have belief in any of it.
In a thread about making fun of the beliefs of a catholic, it's wrong to make fun of the beliefs of catholics? What is the difference between making fun of the silly belief that this person can't use a tool named after alchemy and making fun of their belief in their own form of spellcraft? If you weren't in a thread literally making fun of the beliefs of a religious person, you might have some ground to stand on. As it is though, why are you in this thread at all if you are bothered by it?
They take on the spiritual qualities of such things, on the outward they still remain wine and bread, even says that in the very article you posted. And again, Wikipedia is not a credible source, did you not take High school?
Where does it say otherwise? It very clearly says over and over that the substance becomes the body and blood of christ. It also says the appearance and outward characteristics stay the same, but the substance literally changes somehow in an undetectable way.
Also, I'm not writting a damn paper. I don't need academic sources to post something online. Wikipedia is the best resource to share information with people. That's the whole point. Here's another. Meanwhile you are here with no sources at all. Say what you will about Wikipedia, but it's a better source than your ass. If you want more or different information then you can search for it yourself. Those should give you all the search terms you need and I hope you can figure it out.
In your Wikipedia article that the Bread and Wine maintained the characteristics of bread and wine on the outside, but were in essence the body and blood of christ.
Yes, the essence of it changes, but it's somehow undetectable. It becomes his body and blood, but you can tell using your senses. Yeah, it doesn't really make sense and language doesn't seem to work well to describe it, because it's insane. That's the dogma of the Catholic church though. It also isn't the most crazy thing you're expected to believe. If this is an issue for anyone, they probably shouldn't believe in the religion at all.
I'm sorry. I don't think this is a "Reddit thing". I've been here longer than I've been on Reddit. I agree that we have the same dynamics here, that people often are incentivized to reply with negative comments. But this is a community with "Humor" in the name. And edgy humor is part of the discussion. And where I'm from, being an atheist is fairly common. I still think if you were able to tell facts from fiction, you wouldn't be religious in the first place and mixing both terms in one sentence is kind of an oxymoron. So I think it's more that both the audience on Reddit and on Lemmy is quite diverse. And we both have different perspectives on life, probably also are part of different cultures and maybe have a different take on humor and which things to scroll past and which things to reply to.
That is a reddit mindset. I don't think it works that way here. Comments usually get only a few votes on Lemmy and I don't think many people chose this platform for the upvotes. That specific post got 0 upvotes and 1 downvote (given my instance fixed federation and the numbers are correct now.) I don't want to get on your nerves too much. Just explain my perspective. Religious people are super loud. They want to dictate how I live, if I can marry someone if I'm gay, oppress women, oppress minorities and they wage war all around the world. Have done so for centuries, and continue to do so. I feel entitled to call out their BS as long as they try to make everyone's life worse. I promise to stop in the exact moment they refrain from politics, violence and stop telling me and my surroundings how to live our lives. You can't just do all of that and then expect the other side to stay silent.
Trying to abolish religion is a fruitless effort and reduces people's rights.
You and I won't live in a time with no religion, but if we give it time and reinforce egalitarian societies that don't tolerate religious authoritarianism, it will naturally fade away as technology and standard of living grow.
I don't really like where religion has brought us to either, but enough secular authoritarianism exists for me to realize this isn't a religion problem it's a human psychology problem and religion is just the most often used and likeliest outlet.
Reminder that alchemy didn't go away, it evolved into modern chemistry. So of you think alchemy is occult then you better take a good look at all the engineered chemicals around you and either accept your place in hell or go live in a cave.
Hehe. I get it. But it's not really true. It's like saying a horse evolved into a car or an Ox into a tractor. Just because it replaced it or did the same job doesn't mean it's related or the initial thing didn't go away. Alchemy is putting together random substances to create gold. Chemistry is backed by science and rooted in reality. It's probably closer related to cooking (where you also mix substances) than to alchemy 😉 Pseudoscience didn't do away, but I'm positive alchemy did.
My favourite is a forum question about a first-person shooter called "Still Not Dead" where you are chased by zombies, floating skulls and spiders carrying upside-down crucifixes: Does this have any satanic references in it?. Good quotes:
I would buy the game if it didn't have any of that stuff in it.
I already told you why, I hate 666 and pentagrams
Preach!
We definitely need more games changed. I consider it to be the major victory when we petitioned that satanic game DOOM to be changed and got Super 3D Noah's Ark
These people don't even read their own literature. The Catholic church's ban on alchemy is about falsely claiming something is a valuable metal in order to pay for debts. It has nothing to do with the occult -- the ban was because it's a sin to lie / cheat / steal. A saint is even on record saying that alchemical gold is ok if the end if product is real gold.
With that context, of course God doesn't give a shit if you use SQLAlchemy as long as you aren't using it to defraud people. If you were defrauding people, it wouldn't matter what tool you used.
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I'm shocked that a person who thinks the name of a piece of software can harm them doesn't understand their own religion.
I mean, these are the same people who won't watch Big Bang Theory because the title is heretical, or believe that playing Magic the Gathering or Pokemon TCG are literally summoning demons and spirits into the world, or who believe that playing D&D is doing the same. Rationality is not exactly their strong suit.
I mean they did 'read a book' and it became the real world to them
Lol, yeah, that is exactly how The Bible works for them.
Yeah they should not watch Big Bang theory for the same reasons as the rest of us. ..Because of the shitty writing.
Stays silent while coding the JezuzLovezU worm...
Jesus, he knows me, and he knows I'm right
Jesus us my...
Clippy
Well, god generally doesn't give a shit at all if he exists, so there's that.
God would have to exist to give any shits at all
And here i thought they banned alchemy because they learned from a copper trader.
Better not tell them about daemons I guess.
From the title of the screenshot I was sure it was going to be about daemons.
Or about the D.E.V.I.L.S. format listing option on ffmpeg
Or FreeBSDs mascot
Just wait until they learn about Daemons
And killing children.
Master/slave systems are probably a-ok for them though.
That's actually sacred.
They'd probably be fine with that as long as they're not unborn
Would deleting an executable file without running it be equivalent to an abortion? Or is it more like contraception? Either way some religions ban both of those
And detaching/reattaching git heads.
I don’t see how the term “Alchemy” is any different than “Transubstantiation”, and the Catholic Church seems pretty down with that.
Imagine living your entire life with this kind of fear. Religion does crazy things to people’s minds.
You say that and yet... APIs and XML-RPC are essentially the same thing. But APIs don't make me wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat.
You... You shut your whore mouth. We don't talk about xml here
Go wash your mouth with some SOAP.
Actually scary
In all these replies, this one actually made me wince in pain. I guess I had cleared the term AJAX from my memories.
Next thing you know, there's JSON wielding a machete right behind you
Yo dawg, I heard you like HTTP and XML, so I put XML in your HTTP in your XML over HTTP.
That brought up some memories...
We could form a support group. Maybe the least healthy support group in history, but a support gro up.
Oh, sorry. I created a misunderstanding it seems. I was referring to actual soap, not SOAP. I can still hear dad telling me to go wash my mouth with soap.
Yeah. I consider it important to maintain a healthy agnosticism about the possibility of heaven. It's dangerous to wait to start living as the person I want to be!
But on the topic of hell - well, I've needed to make two computers talk to eachother using the XML specification. I know that hell is very real.
Looking at the comments in that thread, people seem to agree that the question is silly
Not exclusive to religions.
"Is xy considered vegan?"
That pattern. Wanting to belong to something bigger i guess?
Is Alchemy even religious? Or is just anything spiritual scary to them?
Import SQLTransubstantiationis a lot of work for python coders.Yet they say “Easter Eggs”, referring to a Pagan tradition. As hypocritical as it gets.
They celebrate christmas, a pagan tradition they literally stole, the whole thing is fucking clownshoes
And yet they shit on Halloween
Nah, that's OK 'cuz they forked the tradition
My favorite thing about the "easter egg" he specifically mentions is that Alembics are still used in chemistry to this day. They are just a way to condense vaporized gasses and collect them.
I mean, the largest denomination of Christianity ^(Catholicism) is overrun with pedophiles. The whole thing is obviously bullshit.
The user shouldn't code in Python. That's a fucking serpent. It caused Eve to eat the apple. Original sin. Holy shit, the most popular coding language is from the fucking devil! Mask off, mind blown, what the eff.
Python is actually named after Monty Python's Flying Circus, so it isn't a serpent. It is so much worse.
The python in monty python does refer to the snake.
it doesn't refer to anything, they picked a silly name they were confident no real person had.
On that note, I sure hope he doesn’t uses any Apple products either.
TL;DR The fruit of the tree of knowledge being a literal apple is non-canon, being entirely based on a pun.
The word "apple" is not used in the Bible, that is, unless the Bible in question is a translation that specifically uses that word. Even then, see below.
The whole apple thing comes from:
Think about French pomme de terre for "potato" which is literally "apple (meaning 'fruit') of the earth". Dutch has aardappel (earth apple) which is the same thing. Fun fact: Old English eorþæppel (earth apple) allegedly meant "cucumber". Go figure. But I digress.
(I mean, it might actually be a proto-apple of some sort (modern apples did not exist 7000 years ago or whenever it was supposed to be) but the Bible doesn't specify.
Some scholars think that the whole thing developed out of metaphor for abandoning a hunter-gatherer lifestyle for farming. Others think that it might be a reference to beer / alcohol, which is one of the first things humans got interested in after farming.)
Additionally, the idea that the serpent in the garden of eden is the devil is post-biblical.
First of all, the old testament doesn't really present the devil as a character, at all. Satan is a Hebrew word meaning "accuser", not a name of a specific entity.
For example, in the book of Job, a bunch of angels come before God, and "hasatan/the accuser" is among them; it seems more like it's a job title of one of the angels than as being the Christian idea of the devil.
Second of all, the new testament doesn't unambiguously call the serpent in the garden of eden the devil, literally anywhere.
Christians will often point to Revelation 20:2
Although this is probably a reference to Leviathan instead, who is called both a dragon and a serpent elsewhere, and features in canaanite creation myths that are referenced elsewhere (e.g. Isaiah 27 closely mirrors some Ugaritic tablets we've found, just replacing Baal defeating Leviathan with God defeating Leviathan)
They'll also cite some verses calling the devil the father of lies, although this is fairly ambiguous. Particularly since the serpent doesn't actually say anything untrue in Genesis - it's at best a lie of omission, and saying it's a lie of omission presupposes that the serpent knew how God would punish everyone involved.
I mean, that Apple logo has a bite out of it. Eve's bite! And it ships with Python!
Someone call the Inquisition!
I was genuinely taught by my churh not to use apple products for this exact reason. The youth leaders went on a whole tangent about the symbolism. They thought Apple, the company, was trying to trick us all into satanism.
It was a little bit like that video of the lady preaching about Monster energy drinks. Oh, and you better believe they showed us all that video unironically.
But c'mon, at least Monster is supposed to be edgy. Apple is literally just an apple. Insanity, I tell you
Well I'm pretty sure that is the symbolism they were using, and either implying it gives your freedom or knowledge, I assume the former. It's a pretty good symbol if you agree that eating the theoretical apple is actually a good thing.
That's a cool way to look at it! I got curious so I looked it up, and I found an interview with the guy who designed the logo, and he said it's a myth.
Of course, I'll add that there might be more to the story than that. IIRC the name was chosen before the logo, so this doesn't rule out that the name itself was a reference to the bible story. Also, if it was, I kinda doubt that Apple would openly confirm it now, knowing it could cause them to lose some of their customers. 🤷
Isn't the story, nobody came up with a good name for the company and Steve Jobs said you have x days to come up with a name I like, or I just call it Apple? And they didn't?
Snakes are inherently evil! Don't even LOOK at one or breathe an oxygen atom that's ever touched the tongue of a snake!
#SayingTheQuietPartOutLoud
Computer programmers are the devil.
They do some sorcery
Poor Mormons can't use Java.
They should not be using Python. Or anything from Apple. Remember the original sin!
And Powersh***, of course, and this thing because of the C-word.
What I heard was that they can have cold but not hot caffeine. Does that mean they can use Java only on well cooled computers? Or does java refer to a specific kind of coffee (that is not cold)? Well apparently Java is an island in Indonesia where Java coffee is grown. That would mean that Java could be cold brew and that they can so long as their computer is cool enough for it not to be considered hot. The exact definition of hot is tricky, though cold brew is typically served at refrigerated temperatures which would mean the computer would need sub-ambient cooling.
Tldr: they need a computer with sub-ambient cooling.
Or maybe it means they can't use a JVM with hot-reloading? Java is fine but JIT with Java is sinful?
JVM warm-ups are a no-no, too.
🤣
Nor can we host our projects on gittea, or run windows apps in WINE
This is the kind of person who would stick to IDE (with master and slave disks ofc) because S-ATA is only an N away from eternal damnation
... My initial thought was Santa, not Satan ...
Ho ho ho 😈
Can we get a Santa v Satan boxing movie?
Didn't trey parker & matt stone already do that?
I guess that was Jesus vs Santa Claus...
Honestly, I think it has already been made. I could have sworn there was a Krampus movie that cast Santa as some sort of jolly ass-kicking Chad who came in to save the day. Krampus being the Satan stand in in this case.
It do be the holiday season.
Church lady has entered the chat...
I just skimmed this but shouldn't people who are unable/ubwilling to live in the modern world be true to themselves and also not code in some demonic language?
Just skip it and piss off dear catholic
Wait until they learn about daemons
Even the real daemons are just spirits it's the Christians who literally demonized them.
The idiocy goes back more than a millenium.
If Christians are idiots then so are the "pagans", religion is religion. Don't defend one because you hate another.
it's easier to find obvious faults when something is held close for examination. Shoving this one in our faces has given us greater opportunity for close study. Other brands of hokum may include an actual space ship to rocket the most a faithful away or a con man who this one final time miraculously went straight, rituals with one rolled pant-leg, or alien spirits living in volcanoes. But we don't talk about them so much as they keep their weirdness in the shadows.
Aight I recognize most of those, who's the pant leg?
Exactly
Does that command refer to the His Dark Materials thing? I thought regular demons were spelt without the a, but maybe it's an old spelling.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computing)
I had a crazy Catholic prepper neighbor way back in '99 (she was the hipster of preppers, one of the things she railed about was all the people prepping just for y2k when she had already been doing it for years, but that's another story) and one of her things was how evil bill gates was- so I told her Linux was evil-er because of the daemons. Gave her a lot to think about.
import SQLAlchemy as SQLJesusProblem solved
That's taking the LORD's name in vain which, according to Catholicism, is considered blasphemy which is literally THE single worst type of sin you can commit. See you in the 9th circle!
is it? I checked the dictionary and it doesn't seem like they're doing anything in vain. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vain
it's literally the opposite of pride. they're using his name to hide something they're ashamed of
also the opposite, they're trying to use his name in an effective manner to solve a problem
same as the previous, it would have a worth to them
again, they're using it for schoolwork, which is educated, not foolish
Not religious nor an expert on this, but as far as I know:
"Taking the Lord's Name in Vain" is the technical term in Christianity for using words that refer to God/Jesus in any context that isn't directly referring to them, which is considered a form of blasphemy. The majority of Christians, Catholics especially, believe that even expressions like "oh my god!" or exclaiming "Jesus!" when surprised constitute taking the Lord's name in vain, or as is what is happening here, where you use Jesus for something unrelated to him. And the bible does make it very clear that blasphemy is worse than literally any other sin.
I think there are more rules, too. I think you're not allowed to swear (wherever that comes from). And there are restrictions/superstitions(?) put on other names. I don't think christians speak out Satan / Beelzebub. Probably because calling their name conjures a deamon or people said names have some power to them.
more like SQLCrusader
It must be exhausting to go through life saddled with so much mental bullshit.
If it was invisible then they wouldn't be asking this question
Look in the mirror for something invisible?
Not surprising considering Catholicism scores quite high on the BITE model for cults.
Alchemy isn't even a strictly occult thing. It was something done in the medieval era that was basically a very early form of science before most of the things they were trying to do were considered impossible
If Jesus really turned water into wine then what would you call that if not alchemy?
That was just good BYOB manners.
"science".... That's just a road to hell with extra steps.
I mean alchemy is an occult practice. It's just history only pays attention to the physical aspects (turning things into gold, etc). Often times the medium to turn a substance into gold is called the philosophers stone
But this is only a portion of it. The philosophers stone in alchemy is actually spiritual enlightenment or becoming one with everything. Hence the concept of turning anything into gold, gold being enlightenment and the universe and the plain material before the transformation is preenlightened individuals. They all become the same (one, gold) after attaining it.
Most alchemical philosophy is occult/spiritual and the chemistry aspects are a metaphor for the evolution of the soul.
I think because modernity is mostly materialist in its philosophy that we ignore the underlying spirituality associated with alchemy
The church did frown upon it at the time, if I recall. For example, Newton spent years on alchemy yet that's forgotten
Glad he didn't overdose on alchemy
Yes, it is. Please quit our profession and become a Mechanicus Techpriest.
Or, I guess, learn perl - it's sort of into that kind of thing.
Future TempleOS user
I'm super Catholic and I approve this message.
I used to have an rpg on steam, with "fantasy" in the name. One day someone sent me an email asking if there was any way to remove all references to magic from the game so they could play it, as having witches and stuff was a big no for them, but they still wanted to try the game.
I remember when Bioshock Infinite came out, a few weirdos were demanding refunds because in the first 10 minutes of the game, a scene with a bunch of cultists requires you to click a button to "Accept Baptism" from them. They were refusing to push the button on religious grounds, and so they soft locked themselves out of playing the rest of the game. Smh.
Kinda reminds me of far cry 5 Where you can finish the game in 5 minutes by not arresting the preacher and just afking
They also had that in Fc4. If you don’t run away, eventually the dictator comes back and takes you to spread your mother’s ashes, and later takes your on a helicopter tour to shoot guns and stuff. Credits roll.
Man I'm still salty about the real ending, I think the 5 min ending might be preferable (not really, again, just salty).
Isn't the whole point of the series to highlight the way games give you only an illusion of freedom and are instead railroading you all the time? That option would go against the whole philosophy of the game.
Reminds me of Alundra on the PS1, where at some point the game forced you to accept praying in a church; I tried to reject it but the game wouldn't let me. It ended up being plot relevant in the end, as
::: spoiler spoiler you prayed to some demon or something and that allowed him to enter your dreams or something like that, I don't remember too well) :::
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I hope you sent them a 0kb game.exe with the tagline "here u go mate, god bless"
If you're under a very tight constraint, you could send 'em .kkrieger in just under 100kb
I would immediately patch in a "no witches" mode.
Every instance of "witch" is replaced with "warlock".
And if there were graphics, every witch would have a photorealistic penis hanging out the front of
herhis robes.Sure fam, unchecks "Magic, Witches and stuff".
Then they can interact with peasant NPCs all day long.
Hello there, stranger! I seem to have misplaced my ring! You look gullible enough that I can trick you into looking for it for me, because I am too lazy to do it myself!
This person is really gonna hate my new web framework "I submit to the horned lord, Lucifer, the light bringer and ruler of this world. All hail Satan."
I think it's gonna be big since it's the only web framework for Malbolge.
Lucifer and Satan aren't the same entity.
These are titles not names
It's OK. I'm making a joke, not calling the corners... Though I guess this could be sort of a ward for a software community, but I think it wouldn't have to be any kind of accurate to work given the entity it's keeping out.
Oh yes, OOP is definitely a Catholic priest
Oooh spooky alembics ⚗⚗⚗
The tool of the trade of those occultist sinners in Morrowind
Mmm, hours at the computer, creating all these demonic potions of alchemy +XXX.
Use Ark to compress all your files and place them in a shielded metal box. Save yourself from the flood of solar flares that God will send to rid the world of all the sinful data. Make sure to include exactly 2 copies of each of God’s programs.
Based on the comments in here, this joke went over many heads... Does not want to use a tool called Alchemy, but has tried one called Peewee, as in using Peewees in catholic church is ok (Peewees is referred to kids in amateur sports between 12-13 years of age)
that's probably the missing piece of information for most ^^'
This man probably hesitates to pick up a screwdriver when assembling IKEA furniture
It's for the best we wouldn't want him to hurt himself.
Don't we all?
Phillips heads have a cross on it, and you probably shouldn't use a cross like that so they're a no-go. Jesus was nailed to the cross, so using nails is bad. You better be safe and just not drive anything into wood for that matter...
Just fork it and name it something else.
Religions have been doing this for millenia.
I hearby excumicate myself from the religion of c++ to start the far superior religion of c#. All those who remain with that heathonistic static class oriented language shall burn in the pits of compiler hell.
Send in the ASM knights.
How about SQLeviticus or HolyGraiSQL?
S(i)QL: Spanish Inquisition query language
Know what else is forked? A snake's tongue. Like the one that made Eve eat the apple. Heresy!
Sire, we've found a witch! May we burn her?
this is called heresy (until it gets popular enough)
The sinful tools with occult names work. I think that should be a big pointer here.
Witchcraft is not only common in the tech world, its nessecary.
You ever install a server into a rack? Its impossible not to slice your finger a little bit. Thats because the tech gods require a blood sacrifice.
Code is just spells, carefully crafted to bind and control the spirits of the machine.
Vim is an actual demon, summoned and dismissed by the use of mysterious ancient runes.
I got that reference.
Poor thing. Wait until they learn what a single python did to humanity.
"I installed Python on my Apple notebook. Guys.... am I responsible for the Fall of Man?"
This post was a joke but I once had a woman scream at me for an hour that her account number had 666 in the middle of it. She was extremely upset that nobody warned her about this. She wanted a new account AND a refund for the entire time that the "sinful" account was active.
I should mention that her account was 15 years old at the time. The number never changed during that time it was always the same. She screamed so long and hard that they gave her a credit that essentially covered an entire year of service. I hate it here 😀
America needs a reboot
Yeah well then. Classroom evolution by selection for superstition at its finest.
This seems like a poor attempt to get out of an assignment. Religion can be so convenient sometimes.
Yes, yes it is. So is using Python and Apple. In fact, best you steer clear off of computers.
Using Rust instead of Python is good for your soul
If we're really made in their image, they'd love the pious. How many powerful people love brown nosers and yes-men? Answer: all of them
If we can apply logic, there must be an entire pantheon, considering the number of contradicting and conflicting impulses.
I'm relieved to see some sane responses in that thread (although not from OP..)
I'm not Catholic but I'm pretty sure the answer is no.
Playing games with religious themes is also not a sin, as you are expected to understand the difference between fact and fiction.
My source is that one of my best friends is Catholic
If they understood the difference between fact and fiction they wouldn't be a catholic. They're supposed to believe that crackers and wine literally turn into Jesus's body and blood by saying an incantation. Alchemy makes more sense than that, so I could see some people having issues.
No, no literally, figuratively.
The fact is there is no evidence for existance of God. But also there is no evidence that disproves the existence of God.
But still... there was a guy 2000 years ago that said "There is God"
And whole religion is based on a question "do I believe the guy that lived 2000 years ago"
And I said yes and I don't care what your answer is.
Just don't be a douchebag.
No, literally. In Catholic doctrine, it transubstantiates into the body and blood of christ.
I agree most probably don't believe it, but a catholic should if they're keeping with the teachings of the church. Yes, it's absolutely insane, but it's not even close to the most insane thing.
Also, you can't prove a negative, except by countering every other case, which is impossible in the case of a god. Of course there isn't any evidence there isn't a god because what could that even be? There can't be any. The only thing that can be proven is contradicting claims made by others, but obviously they can just shift to the next thing because you can't disprove every possible one.
There's no evidence there aren't leprechauns or unicorns, but anyone making the claim there has the burden of proof. There is no burden of proof to not believe things. You just don't believe it.
My bad, I am not so well versed in the theological concepts. I asked one philosopher and she said that transubstantiation is beyond human understanding. So I agree. That is insane.
There aren't evidence that unicorns don't exist but there is certain probability that they don't exist. If so far no one spoted them then a) they are super rare (they would need better luck than Dream) or b) they don't exist
God on the other hand isn't physical and we can't take a picture of Him like some sort unicorn. There are certain aspects of the world that skew the probability for the existence of God. Prophets, teachings and miracles of Christ, possessions, various apparitions, time before big bang. These things slightly skew the probability of existance of God but certainly they don't provide definite answer.
If I believed in unicorns I would probably just say they're magical so they can avoid detection. Problem solved. There's no way to collect evidence for them, but they can't be disproven.
These do not really skew the probability for any god in particular. Every god has the same claims, and there are thousands, if not far more, of them, and they're usually mutually exclusive. Using probability, if they're all equally probably, the probability you were born to parents who believe the correct one is effectively zero.
Now there's Pascal's Wager to deal with, that is you're better off believing because the finite things you give up in this life weighed against the infinite reward if he's real. However, again, every god has equal claim to this wager, and they're mutually exclusive. You will give up something measurable and there are effectively infinite petitioners, so the wager is hardly even worth discussing. It's just apologetics.
Then you are changing the nature of unicorns. Usually in books they are made of physical stuff and interact with physical stuff. But if they can't do that then they would be made of the same stuff that souls and angels are made. And then you are changing question from "Does this weird animal exist?" to "Does higher mode of existence that we can't detect exist"
I think you are confusing gods with religions. There are 20 major religions. There are of course monotheistic and polytheistic religions. We could split my claim to two basic components. One 'humans have a undetectable soul or spiritual element to them'. And two 'The Christianity is correct religion'
The prevalent existence of spirituality in Ethnic Tribes is an argument for spiritual element in humans. I will assume that we are in agreement on that point. If you want You can come up with an argument against this.
I don't think that Christianity is definitely correct. I didn't put the work to have that strong of an opinion on the topic. It definitely helped that I was born in the culture that already had Christianity ingrained in it's roots. It also gave me personally some benefit to my mental well being. I think that it is neat that in some christian circles it is encouraged to question your own beliefs and trying to get to the truth.
Pascal's wager was nice at that time for its simplicity, but when counterarguments come up, it became messy and complicated. It is still worth a mention as a historical milestone in philosophy.
Sure, as is my right. This is what happens with religion constantly. For example, Pope Benedict XVI believes in evolution and the big bang. These remove the domain of God from creating all creatures, the earth, etc. Sure, it still leaves room for God to start it all off, but it is changing a fundamental aspect of creation. It's the god of the gaps.
There are currently 20 major religions. There have been many more through human history. The vast majority don't exist anymore. Two of those, Islam and Christianity (plus Judaism), believe in the same god. Abrahamic religion all comes from previous religions though. You can compare the stories in the Bible to stories of other beliefs in the region and they match, though some aspect vary. Religion evolves. (Which I'd argue is evidence that it isn't correct. If it were correct it'd never change.)
I agree it's an argument for humans to believe in something spiritual, but not that it's accurate. We don't need to explain lightning with something in the sky fighting or anything anymore. We don't need to explain mountains with gods having risen from them or anything anymore. Spirituality in humans is evidence of humans wanting an explanation for things, regardless of their knowledge of how it actually came to be, and nothing more.
That's good. For me it was only a negative influence. It didn't make me feel better and only told me what to do. I don't agree with many morals the Bible teaches (and neither do most Christians), and I'd rather have morals that treat people well regardless of what they or I believe. I don't need religion to constrain my behavior, and it would prevent me from doing things I want to do and cause me to do things I don't want to do.
If it's a positive for you then fine, though I'd argue there's probably some other religions that have better effects. When I was poking at religious beliefs when I was a teenager I really liked Buddhism. It's a much more relaxing religion and makes much fewer claims and demands. That's how I became an atheist though is I learned about other religions and noticed they all have equally valid claims, so I just don't believe any.
It's not douchy to say God isn't real. That's your insecurities talking.
I didn't mean that he is a douchbag but as a general rule that we all should abide to.
See how that doesn't make sense?
No, you just exchanged one metaphysical entity that is prevalent in culture to the one that isn't. It doesn't change the lack of possibility of evidence for either of them.
No, it symbolically turns into the flesh and blood of Christ.
God this kind of edge Lord bad theology bullshit is one of the reasons why I'm glad I'm not allowed to read it anymore. Do I have to see it here too?
No, Catholicism dogma says it literally changes into it through transubstantiation. That's what the church teaches. You can not believe that part if you like, like I do, I just go slightly further and not have belief in any of it.
In a thread about making fun of the beliefs of a catholic, it's wrong to make fun of the beliefs of catholics? What is the difference between making fun of the silly belief that this person can't use a tool named after alchemy and making fun of their belief in their own form of spellcraft? If you weren't in a thread literally making fun of the beliefs of a religious person, you might have some ground to stand on. As it is though, why are you in this thread at all if you are bothered by it?
They take on the spiritual qualities of such things, on the outward they still remain wine and bread, even says that in the very article you posted. And again, Wikipedia is not a credible source, did you not take High school?
Where does it say otherwise? It very clearly says over and over that the substance becomes the body and blood of christ. It also says the appearance and outward characteristics stay the same, but the substance literally changes somehow in an undetectable way.
Also, I'm not writting a damn paper. I don't need academic sources to post something online. Wikipedia is the best resource to share information with people. That's the whole point. Here's another. Meanwhile you are here with no sources at all. Say what you will about Wikipedia, but it's a better source than your ass. If you want more or different information then you can search for it yourself. Those should give you all the search terms you need and I hope you can figure it out.
In your Wikipedia article that the Bread and Wine maintained the characteristics of bread and wine on the outside, but were in essence the body and blood of christ.
Yes, the essence of it changes, but it's somehow undetectable. It becomes his body and blood, but you can tell using your senses. Yeah, it doesn't really make sense and language doesn't seem to work well to describe it, because it's insane. That's the dogma of the Catholic church though. It also isn't the most crazy thing you're expected to believe. If this is an issue for anyone, they probably shouldn't believe in the religion at all.
Hehe, religious people and understanding the difference between fact and fiction... 😂
I mean the very root of it is doing away with facts, and just keeping the fiction.
I really thought I left the perpetually 14 Edgelord Atheists behind when I left Reddit
I'm sorry. I don't think this is a "Reddit thing". I've been here longer than I've been on Reddit. I agree that we have the same dynamics here, that people often are incentivized to reply with negative comments. But this is a community with "Humor" in the name. And edgy humor is part of the discussion. And where I'm from, being an atheist is fairly common. I still think if you were able to tell facts from fiction, you wouldn't be religious in the first place and mixing both terms in one sentence is kind of an oxymoron. So I think it's more that both the audience on Reddit and on Lemmy is quite diverse. And we both have different perspectives on life, probably also are part of different cultures and maybe have a different take on humor and which things to scroll past and which things to reply to.
I'm seeing the edgy, but not the humor.
"ReLIEgion bad, upvotes to the left" isn't funny, it's just annoying
That is a reddit mindset. I don't think it works that way here. Comments usually get only a few votes on Lemmy and I don't think many people chose this platform for the upvotes. That specific post got 0 upvotes and 1 downvote (given my instance fixed federation and the numbers are correct now.) I don't want to get on your nerves too much. Just explain my perspective. Religious people are super loud. They want to dictate how I live, if I can marry someone if I'm gay, oppress women, oppress minorities and they wage war all around the world. Have done so for centuries, and continue to do so. I feel entitled to call out their BS as long as they try to make everyone's life worse. I promise to stop in the exact moment they refrain from politics, violence and stop telling me and my surroundings how to live our lives. You can't just do all of that and then expect the other side to stay silent.
They don't have a problem using a tool that is called psycho tho.
Literally telling a chip made of sand how to think. God would be furious.
Isn't preaching (i.e. telling people how to think) the basis of all religion, especially christianity and especially catholicism?
Yeah, but preaching is only acceptable when it's done by a pedophile dressed like he's from the 1950s.
Feels like a "render unto Caesar" non problem
Side note if you can't figure out how to use psycopg2 in a 5 line tutorial you have even less ability than you thought you did
He's supposed to be using TempleOS and coding i HolyC
That's okay I don't work with anybody named Matthew Mark Luke or John. Don't get me started on Jesus and his ricer Honda.
Jesus may have his own Honda, but the disciples were all in one Accord.
You really believe the post is non fiction?
I know too many people who would say this exact thing to immediately assume it's satire.
Trying to abolish religion is a fruitless effort and reduces people's rights.
You and I won't live in a time with no religion, but if we give it time and reinforce egalitarian societies that don't tolerate religious authoritarianism, it will naturally fade away as technology and standard of living grow.
I don't really like where religion has brought us to either, but enough secular authoritarianism exists for me to realize this isn't a religion problem it's a human psychology problem and religion is just the most often used and likeliest outlet.
The name of the tool doesn't matter, the subject of the OP is still a sinner 👹
I recommend SQLitany when flexing your cross joined faith in the DB (daily bread).
Reminder that alchemy didn't go away, it evolved into modern chemistry. So of you think alchemy is occult then you better take a good look at all the engineered chemicals around you and either accept your place in hell or go live in a cave.
Hehe. I get it. But it's not really true. It's like saying a horse evolved into a car or an Ox into a tractor. Just because it replaced it or did the same job doesn't mean it's related or the initial thing didn't go away. Alchemy is putting together random substances to create gold. Chemistry is backed by science and rooted in reality. It's probably closer related to cooking (where you also mix substances) than to alchemy 😉 Pseudoscience didn't do away, but I'm positive alchemy did.
Fair point!
Is there a link to the original post? I want to see the replies. Unfortunately I can't find it.
My favourite is a forum question about a first-person shooter called "Still Not Dead" where you are chased by zombies, floating skulls and spiders carrying upside-down crucifixes: Does this have any satanic references in it?. Good quotes:
"Duke kills aliens which arent real and saves babes, chivalry" might be the funniest thing I've ever read