Lemmy and Mastodon feel like the real web3.
I think this decentralization and federation is what web3 is all about, without all the corporations calling everything to do with monkey pixel art that costs a million dollars "web3"
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Hah, web 2.0 was all about the explosion of user-generated content. Corps and cryptonerds wanted to make web 3.0 about making money, but the web has always been about the content, not its monetization. In trying to monetize the content, they're alienating people and forcing them off the platforms they defaulted to.
Humans like to create and share content, no matter how easy or difficult it is to monetize. If the people who want to monetize humanity's collective output make it harder to create, then hopefully the result is that people move off the ad-supported platforms and replace them with something that doesn't rely on centralization with lots of capital to stay afloat.
If nothing else, the way that youtube has made it impossible for segments of the creative community to monetize their content and forced them rely on platforms such as patreon has made it more and more clear that ad-generated revenue is a dead end. You can't force people to view advertising unless you hold their content hostage, and for the first time in history, they can't buy out the means of production.
I was resistant to the federverses, but these corpos just think they can get away with anything...
Fuck them I won't do what they tell me!
It will be fun to watch this place grow, it feels like the start of a new story!
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https://youtu.be/isDxwpDvHs0
No, you're amazing
I'm more a fan of the nadalverses, but to each their own.
Ok apparently my gif did not work
https://tenor.com/view/nadal-federer-gif-7675211
There's no conceivable reason that reddit shouldn't be profitable right now with the market saturation they have unless the majority of people who've been making money off of the site up until now have been minimal effort contributors trying to get their piece of the money pie. 99% of the work is done by "unpaid" (by reddit) mods yet somehow they still have 2k people on the payroll and still need to centralize more and more capital to cover the overhead, it's easy to imagine most of their current expenses are going to dumb corporate tech money sinks that are going out of style fast and have little to show for the last decade of spending lol
I mean that’s maybe the only good thing: If they are a public traded company, they have to file public revenue reports. Would love to see where those morons burn their money…
2k people in expensive San Francisco office space. Willing to bet that the % of them dedicated to improving user experience was quite low in comparison to those trying to figure out how to squeeze money out of it.
Every single platform that has claimed "Web 3.0" has been revealed to be a crypto scam, and generally not even a sneaky one. Pop over to minds.com if you'd like a free taste of exactly what that ends up looking like. It's disgusting.
Good God, minds.com is a cesspool.
Very much aware of that.
It's pretty dope. Been following the fediverse for a while, but I've never used twitter so mastodon felt kinda useless to me. I've never used facebook, so friendica felt kinda useless to me.
Anonymous strangers posting links and having discussions? Now that's more my jam.
My favourite part was AMAs by scientists and authors or even ppl like Gov Schwarzenegger. I hope fediverse develops to that point one day.
I remember when AMAs were organic and people actually answered questions. Before prepared questions and answers became a thing.
I loved seeing those IAMAs too. Schwarzenegger, Obama, NASA scientists and Woody Harrelson (can we talk about Rampart?)! Unfortunately I think the web is worse now, far too much focus on monetization, bots, propaganda> and astroturfing.
I'm hoping that Lemmy flies under the radar in the sweet spot of enough subscribers but not too many.
The only bot issue I heard of is following people, which one would only get notified if they use new reddit or official app. What were the other bot problems? What's to stop the bots on this site?
My thoughts exactly
Same here, neither of those are my thing, but lemmy scratches my needs. Of course without reddit fucking up, I would never have checked it out, but now I’m really hoping this gets big, without losing it’s core
So you're saying that the real web3 was... the friends we made along the way?
web3 was within us the whole time
Honestly I'm not even sure what the term web3 means but Lemmy does feel... less commercial, which is really refreshing! And I'm noticing alot less criticizism which is excellent. I'm certainly going to be staying here and trying to help it grow in a positive and mindful way.
I get what others are saying about it feeling like how the internet used to be... I'm really excited to see where Lemmy goes. Hopefully it doesn't just end up the way its predecessors have gone! Feels like I'm part of a movement to fight the oppression!! Power to the people woo!
You nailed it: It feels like a movement. And movements, especially nascent ones, require buy-in and work from their members. I guess that explains why I feel obligated to participate more than I did at Reddit.
I've only been on Lemmy for a day, but it's already clear no one is gonna build this out for us.
Same here, I think I lebt more comments here today than on reddit the last month
Right? I'm thinking about trying to start my beginner guitar sub (do I still call it sub?). I tried on reddit, posted a few times and it fizzled out. Maybe it would be more successful here. Just a sub dedicated to helping people begin their guitar playing journey. Playing guitar has made such a positive impact on my life, I'd like to share that with others you know?
That's what I'm enjoying about it so far too. Content is sparse but that's okay. I'm so tired of being marketed to, of being a product. These open source federated apps are janky and quieter, but they feel more real. These aren't algorithms pushing engagement and outrage or ads every 10 seconds.
Plus on Reddit, corporation makes money from content users create while here everything is open, free and fun.
Let's just hope we can keep it that way! 🙂
Right? It's way calmer here. I felt hesitant about that at first, but it's only because we've gotten so used to an endless stream of (often inconsequential and low-effort) content. More isn't always necessary or better.
Kid-me used to have days off and he'd hop onto Warcraft 3 or various message boards only to realize no one was online because everyone had jobs or was at school. It had a rhythm to it which was really cool. It wouldn't surprise me if the "always-on" content spam of the modern internet has given people unhealthy ideas about what life is supposed to feel like.
I don't mind the lack of an endless stream of content so much, however it would be nice if it was easier to not see the same content again and again after already reading it. Maybe some sort of read flag would be good for posts, possibly with a configurable number of new comments after which it is shown again.
I agree wholeheartedly. I think what all of us who care about these alternative underground social networks need to do is try to provide the best content we can, because that will attract other people here, which will benefit us in turn through the content they make!
There might be a case for a more sparse content feed. Sure you can subscribe to hundreds of communities across a hundred different servers but you are more in control of the feed. every post is going to be more relevant and you will have more incentive to take part in conversations instead of just refreshing and having a whole new page of crap.
There are some ease of use improvements to be made of course, this is the most users and fastest growth lemmy has ever seen, so there is some learning to be done as it scales.
Web3 became a marketing term, doesn't even really have a clear meaning, but it's used as a catch-all word for blockchain-related things like NFTs, cryptocurrency projects, etc. But most of those are not truly decentralized, whereas Lemmy and other fediverse projects are.
I kind of like the idea of rebranding it around a more honest and inclusive definition of decentralization. Though getting past bad marketing is so hard it might not be worth it.
What is sort of bothering me is how as it becomes more popular, I've already seen a few people asking about adding advertising to lemmy instances. I hope advertisers are not looking at diminished revenue with the reddit blackouts and trying to move to Lemmy already. I just can't stand ads, and hope to never see ads interwoven with posts and comments.
I suppose the benefit to lemmy is that you could always migrate to another instance if yours starts pulling that shit
As far as I know, while account migration is technically possible it isnt implemented yet, so if a server decicdes to shut up shop due to lack of funds your account there is lost and only federated content on other instances will be saved.
So once migration of user accounts and communities is implemented we should be able to easily survive waves of server closures.
I do worry that it will eventually coalesce into a couple of ultra-large servers and lose a lot of it's decentralisation though. gotta spread out!
I mean, I suppose creating alts on multiple instances might work as an alternative in the meantime. I don’t know if that’s frowned upon though.
Completely agree on the last point, though. It is crucial that we spread out!
I've made about 10 alts so far, just making sure to secure my username in case I do need to migrate somewhere
I don’t believe it’s frowned upon. I have one here on infosec.pub and another on fedia.io. I primarily use infosec.pub though
True enough. And I know I’m just a drop in the bucket, but I will do exactly that if it ever happens.
Technically it should already be possible for a company to advertise here, no? Not in the "there are little video boxes you can't get rid of (barring adblocker extensions)" but in the sense that one could have their employees create accounts and make comments and posts to promote their products. They'd probably have to do it subtly and sneakily, because they'd likely get banned or if they had their own instance, defederated, but they could. Wouldn't even need to pay anything beyond employee salaries to make it.
I feel like "proper" ads would be more difficult to implement, because even if the software were updated to include the ability to add them, people could and likely would make forks of it that just didn't display those from federated servers, or clients that don't on any server, and because the software is open source there would be no stopping it. An instance could defederate instances using such an ad-blocking fork, but that would risk ending up themselves isolated and therefore lose much of their traffic and viability as a platform.
I think it might be ok if some instances decide to run ads. Someone has to pay for the server costs, and ads are an option.
The great thing about the Fediverse is you can move to a different instance if you don't like it :)
It's nice to have this space to retreat to. Even if it doesn't outcompete the corporate web anytime soon, the existence of another option will constrain how bad they can get a bit, and will create a place for refugees to go after each new outrage. And it's not like the core functionality of any of the corporate sites was that complicated underneath all the bloat, after people have been on here working out the kinks for a while there's no reason it should be any less convenient of an experience.
agreed, i can’t remember the last time reddit added an actual useful feature.
The only thing they did do relatively recently that I liked was adding the option for subs to not archive posts that are older than 6 months. But I guess when you think about it, that's more of just taking a restriction away, and less of adding something new. Other than that, though, it's either just useless stuff or stuff that actively made things worse.
Holy shit, is that why I got a random influx of trolls commenting on 5 year old comments?
To be fair about the archiving thing you have to consider that being able to make old data read only allows you to optimize a lot of things. With good engineering the allowance for archival should make the whole site faster and more stable. So sort of a soft feature.
I get that, and it could make sense to archive things at some point, but I do think it was nice for certain communities, aside from things like sports, news, etc., to be able to still comment on old posts. Especially help posts or things like that, because they could still be relevant months or even years later.
There should be a way to unarchive something if that's the case, which works better than a new post which references the previous one with small addendums or questions. This is especially useful when people are searching for information on certain topics and everything is contained within one post rather than 5 posts because the earlier ones were archived. Many people will never continue searching and see all of the newer information once they have found the old now incomplete posts.
The multi-image post, but only worked on new reddit.
Seeing your post my first thought was that multi-image albums always worked on old.Reddit. But actually I was thinking of a Reddit Enhancement Suite feature. Which is another open-source toolkit that was provided by the community to Reddit.
Happy to see that the Open Source came up with something top-to-bottom like Lemmy and the Fediverse!
I meant actually making a post with multiple images. Old reddit only allowed one, whereas new reddit, you can upload multiple to one and it creates a gallery.
Yes, RES would let you see all the images afaik. I can't remember the last time I browsed on my desktop without RES.
word is they've got 300 full time devs in the april fools experiment department
Feels like old school forums again. A little barebones compared to some of the corporate stuff, but that's not a bad thing. Just the simple what's needed no extra fluff.
I like it like this, but I've always been a minimalist. With a few QoL changes/fixes (especially for the mobile app) this will be perfect.
I agree, it's got a really solid foundation and Lemmy's got nowhere to go but up
Web 1.0, users form communities on bulletin boards, internet forums and newsgroups. It's the birth of Web 2.0, investors and advertisers see potential in large user bases. This leads to social media and mobile apps as fronts for tracking users and big data collection. Smart home and wearables become a plot to bring tracking hardware into your life even when you aren't actively engaging on the internet. The tech billionaire is born at the cost of the privacy and wallet of the user. Web 3.0, a federated Web 1.0 where users take back control of the internet. Tech billionaires live in homeless shelters and eat ramen noodles.
I'd buy that for a dollar
I understand that reference
I say let’s keep up this momentum and continue making this a space people want to be in and engage with.
We’re already off to a strong start, let’s commit and see what new corner of the internet we can define for ourselves.
The future of the internet isn't artificially scarce digital collectibles? 😲
It better be! I spent millions on jpgs of monkeys! /s
Please tell me they weren't highly compressed jpegs
Well, how are they supposed to accommodate millions of monkeys in a single file then? Huh? /s
dude you got ripped off, my monkey is a png
No one tell my StarCitizen ship collection this...
are those even scarce tho
Yea, SC does this really dumb thing where they only sell some ships a few times a year and when they do sell them they sell limited batches of them... the very definition of artificial scarcity and FOMO.
But really... probably not that scarce..
watch them turn those ships into NFTs and charge you for each one of those a second time
SC players are crazy... some of them would just rebuy 10k worth of space ships and brag about it...
I forgot it even existed. Is it a game yet or still just a series of presentations and announcements?
Its a game now, buggy as hell but a game. It can be fun but not something you can sink hundreds of hours into unless you just enjoy that sort of thing. They do free fly's every few months you can try it for free.
What we're seeing here seems more like a restoration of the architecture of pre-web Internet services, like SMTP, NNTP, or IRC.
The protocols are built on top of HTTPS and JSON as a session layer, rather than on lines of ASCII as in those classic protocols ... but the architecture looks a lot more like "a bunch of servers under independent administration, that agree to share messages with each other in a network" than like anything with the stink of blockchains on it.
Sorry but I had to do it
@kiriakos @fubo Blockchain is also a cool technology I think but I don't think it's so well suited for social networks because any node needs to store all the data so it becomes quite heavy with time. Blockchain is better suited for financial transactions which it does really well in my opinion.
Blockchain is well suited for storing authentication and provenance information. The Fediverse could benefit from blockchain stored instance, user, and community metadata.
@TinfoilBeanieTech
Interesting idea. So blockchain could make communication between instances more efficient
@kiriakos @fubo One thing I think a platform like #Peertube needs to solve, which #LBRY does (because it uses a blockchain) is the financial incentive for content creators without ads because right now you can't really make money on Peertube. On LBRY you can because it features its own currency and on #Youtube of course but this is using ads. This is one of the advantages to using a blockchain. However LBRY's torrent like protocol for sharing video data is very slow and buggy which incentives the centralisation around odysee. The idea behind the project is great but not that well in practice if they don't make the protocol faster.
Plenty of creators have solved that already through platforms like patreon. It turns out that ad-supported content only works if advertisers want to advertise on your content, and large segments of media aren't "advertiser friendly".
No crypto required.
"Crypto" has meant "encryption" since the early days of PGP.
If you mean "cryptocurrency" or "blockchain", please consider using those specific words.
Kinda being pedantic. It's a comment on a post about web3, responding to someone talking about a blockchain currency. Frankly, unless it's unclear enough that someone might come along and ask "what does cryptography have to do with blockchain?", I'm not sure why you feel the need to correct my usage of the word.
@lucien
Really? Just heard someone who complained about it but maybe you're right.
It's not clear to me that media distribution and payment need to follow the same channels.
For instance, classic TV uses completely separate pathways for distributing media to users (via broadcast radio signals) and collecting revenues. Commercial TV stations run advertisements; US-style public TV stations attract contributors and sponsors; UK BBC-style public TV stations have government funding.
(And the BBC produces good material — not only BBC World Service, but also Doctor Who.)
Platforms such as YouTube collapse all of this into a single service for convenience. And then "YouTubers" get the mistaken impression that they're entitled to it, and fuss when they are "demonetized".
("Demonetization" just means "the platform doesn't think its advertisers want to be associated with you; and the advertisers are paying to have the platform make that decision.")
@fubo yeah that's true but why not improve things. making it more convenient is better IMO and we have the technologies to do it.
If someone is providing convenience as a service, they get to collect a share of revenue from it, and they get to decide whether you get to use their service at all — an opportunity for censorship.
If I were in the video business (which I'm not; so I am ignorant!) I would look to distribute video via a service similar to a streaming/dynamic version of BitTorrent; and find a way to automate placement of video ads into the stream. Major tech companies shouldn't need to be involved at all; nothing about this should need large server or network capacity — for the same reason that torrent servers don't.
@fubo thats where i think crypto is great such as how LBRY does it. you can earn money and no one has the power to demonetize you.
If it becomes popular, what prevents the goat porn people from spamming it and making good content undiscoverable?
Pretty much yeah.
But what's wrong with bolckchains? That technology is good too, a bunch of lowly monetization schemes based around it shouldn't deface the core idea and its possibilities.
The notion that any "Web" technology (i.e. user-facing publication, sharing, & discussion) needs to be coupled with a fraught¹ payment system seems like a fundamentally contentious issue, mostly introduced by people who stand to profit from the success of those payment systems regardless of benefit to Web users.
¹ Regulatory issues, cut-and-run scams, and so on. Some blockchain services have turned out to be securities regulation violations. Some have turned out to be outright frauds where the issuers have just run away with "invested" money. In any event, nobody should today be relying on any blockchain service when creating forums or other services intended for the general public.
See ftx
In theory/research papers, it's not a terrible idea, a few years ago, 3blue1brown on YouTube did a video about how blockchains and cryptocurrencies work at their core, setting the controversy aside. It is a currency that is actually tied to something of immutable valuable, time and logarithmic growth, and would require much more computational power than any singular entity could control over 50% of. Those goals are good goals.
The the irl problems come in on multiple aspects however, there are only so many graphics cards made every year, so people purchasing for mining impacted the entire market of graphics cards spiking prices higher and higher, they run on electricity which is still generated with a lot of fossils fuels, and cards that break because they're running all the time and are staying hot end often up in landfills, where lots of useful metals are just sitting and rusting away.
The problem with Blockchains is most of the projects associated with them are scams until proven otherwise. It's kind of like Western Union transfers, money orders, or iTunes gift cards, nothing wrong with the technology behind them, but when the topic comes up, I immediately think of scams.
I don't think anything is inherently wrong with blockchain technology, but what it's been molded into (a purely speculative profit driven ecosystem ) is a waste of it's potential.
Long way to go for ease of use, but the foundation is SOLID.
Decentralised without crypto-ifying everything. this is the way.
I gotta admit though, this has to be one of the first reasonable use cases for blockchain technology that I can think of - a P2P database for social forums... decentralised, but a single "instance" no matter how you access it. I imagine the blockchain sizes would get ridiculously large though, and all sorts of moderation issues. Probably not feasible, though I'm sure there's a project on GitHub I'm not aware of...
If you were to host the entire forum on a blockchain, every node would have to hold the blockchain. So not scaling horizontally, but instead copying the "database" a bunch of times. Think of hosting all of the data in reddit on a thousand nodes. Sure you could access it from any node, but the database would be just as big as before, just copied around a bunch of times.
In a way this thing is already much more decentralized than a blockchain could ever be, in that every server doesn't hold all of the data at once. Much better use of resources IMO.
Yeah that's a good point. But this way we can't mine LemmyCoin. Won't someone think of the shitcoins!?
For sure if reddit can have moons, then a blockchain forum should have their own shitcoin. How else would the founder of the decentralized platform make some bank? Get donations from from the general public for the volunteer work they do on the project? No way :)
A much better use of resources, but you shard the data amongst potentially untrusted hosts (ie, anybody can stand up a lemmy instance and start hosting posts/comments, and then get sick of hosting it and delete their instance and all the uploaded data).
Federation only allows access to the network of servers, it doesn't protect the data at all, which means at any moment an entire community of useful historical information could just be wiped away (especially since there's currently no monetary incentive to continue hosting, its only being done out of desire to be part of the network).
I guess I'd rather see the blockchain (or simpler caching/mirroring) approach, something like the torrent network, so that no single person has access to delete content. We can all choose to not view or not mirror content we don't agree with, but nobody can single-handedly own or modify the data
Unless each node holds all the data, it is not guaranteed to stay available. Mirroring content across 2, 3, or even 10 servers wouldn't guarantee that it will remain eg. after 10 years. Even torrents die after they are no longer popular and people stop seeding them.
I still hold my opinion that using an actual blockchain to hold the conversations is not scalable solution at all. Only unique thing it would enable is for unwanted content to remain permanently in the system.
This is what reddit felt like ten years ago ... now it's just a matter of growing the community and making it bigger and better.
I felt bad leaving my old communities at reddit ... but in a funny way, I feel like I've stepped into a time warp and jumped back ten years ... now I'm looking forward to the next ten on Lemmy and Mastadon
My thoughts exactly. Ten years ago reddit was "too confusing" for people too.
The internet was always intended to be decentralized
I'm nostalgic for when it was. Hopefully in some form it can be again.
Federation definitely feels like the next major stepping stone of the internet's evolution. Protocols like ActivityPub and Matrix feel like a bit of a "new beginning" for communities on the internet.
do you use Matrix yourself? how hard was it set up? every time i look into it i can't help but feel lost
I have an account, but I don't really use it much. Not because I don't like it, but because I don't have much to say really. I'm more of the lurker type.
The important thing about Matrix is to think of it like email. Homeservers are like your email provider, like Hotmail or Gmail or Protonmail. You look for a homeserver, then you just make an account on that homeserver. The "main" homeserver is matrix.org, but it's recommended not to make an account on there if you can avoid it. Remember that making accounts on these homeservers is free, so there's no reason not to make accounts on a few of them to try out.
The other thing to think about is your matrix client. This is similar to an IRC client or an email app. Luckily, this matter even less than the homeservers since you can freely switch between these anytime with basically no issues. If none catch your eye, Element is the sort of "reference implementation" so you can just try that one if you want. It has a web version too: https://app.element.io
There's some cool more advanced features like spaces and threads, but you don't have to worry about those much at first.
sweet thanks! i'll have to look into it more. i know that you can bridge other apps too, like discord and telegram which would be really awesome
That's what I use Matrix for. I actually just pay for Element One and that gets me Signal, WhatsApp and Telegram all in one app (and a more convenient one than any of them). It's great and zero effort, but you can't then add your own bridges for other services. If you need them you might better hosting it yourself.
Creating an account? (basically the same as anywhere really) or your own instance? (Pretty easy, there are ansible playbooks, docker containers)
Not too hard just a couple things to get used to but it genuinely was barely harder than discord for an easy sign up
Ever heard of Email?...
Or XMPP for that matter.
Federation has been a core principle since the beginning.
You don't have to be condescending.
Exactly. Most people have only used the Internet in its current centralized form. Not everyone had the benefit of being around in the IRC/XMPP/Icecast/BBS/Usenet/etc. days. Federated services are a new concept to many people.
Dies and turns into a pile of greymuzzle dust.
We're getting old. Sorry
You have never used email?
Most people don’t think of email and social media as being two aspects of the same thing.
I've used everything I've listed. I'm one of the people who was around on the internet in the 90s and 2000s.
Email is pretty centralized at this point https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html
Yes, I would call it web1. Decentralization are basic concepts of the internet and it was more decentralized in the 90s. Getting back to the roots.
I hate how crypto bros and scammers kidnapped the term web3. In reality is a nice concept, but they just turned it into a libertarian dystopia.
I like the overall trend towards ownership and non-centralized tools implicit in web3. If everything happening on the internet is owned by wall street, then it's not going to act like the real internet.
If there's a crypto aspect that has uses beyond grift, I'm open to it. There are certain ways it could be used to disintermediate owners and creators. I'm not sure if that's happening yet. Ownership rights with digital content do leave a lot to be desired.
I hope we soon see the end of the "gold rush" era in crypto and start seeing actual cool stuff being done with it. Especially since legacy banking will simply co-opt it sooner or later.
The question is really, are the inefficiencies in blockchains or related solutions worth the trade off of Wall Street/Fed not running the economy. And they aren't all proof-of-work Bitcoin either, Ethereum for instance is pretty finely tuned and on proof-of-stake now.
About that: if you think a bunch of crypto bros can do a better job of managing an economy than the Federal Reserve can, then I seriously question your sanity. The Fed hasn't exactly done a great job of keeping the economy stable, but the value of cryptocurrency is not even remotely stable.
The value of cryptos are measured relative to USD and are highly volatile because they're based on subjective predictions of what the value will look like 10, 20, 30 years in the future. The Fed doesn't control the value of USD beyond their ability to manipulate its supply, which for the most part only serves to devalue it. Meanwhile, crypto supplies are algorithmically deterministic and not subject to human influence or corruption. It's a very poor comparison and TBPH shows you don't really understand the fundamentals.
Indeed. It's a vehicle for speculation (aka gambling), not a viable currency.
Then it's doomed to deflate endlessly. A quick look at the Great Depression should tell you why that's catastrophically bad. The Fed keeps the USD inflating for a reason.
No crypto bro has any business lecturing anyone on economic fundamentals. Especially not one who seemingly doesn't know that deflation of the main currency is to be prevented at all costs unless you want to see bread lines.
Lol no, it's the same way any up-and-comer has volatile value initially because there's uncertainty as to the outcome.
Great Depression "deflationary spiral" was a direct consequence of the Fed's inflationary policies during the 1920s. These are all just discredited mainstream econ talking points. And get out of here with this "crypto bro" BS, god forbid anyone have an original thought that differs from your thinking.
The problem is that crypto is unregulated, the regulations are there for a reason, to stop things like ponzischemes and all the other things that already has happened that fucked people over. Maybe if they got regulated in some way, so that those things couldn't happen easily, as it is now, I would say no.
Cryptocurrency is specifically designed to be infeasible to regulate.
That's where my head is at. They're building and improving it. Legacy banking isn't exactly green itself, as card transactions have a pretty hefty carbon footprint. Further, banks are eyeballing their own "CBDCs", which is basically cryptocurrency but without the intended benefits of decentralization.
Zero knowledge roll-ups have a lot of green promise with gas fees... but DeFi isn't better than legacy banking yet. Still, I think it will be sooner or later if only because some of those folks are actually trying to improve it (where banks are only really doing their best work at trying to get more exploitative).
My 2c, the development around Ethereum isn't really that dystopian or scammy, and there's still promise for decentralizing financial institutions. A lot of people tried to cash in on it is all. Was just reading an article about the gold rush around marketing cereal ~1860-today, companies loading it with sugary and cartoon marketing to brainwash kids, etc., but that doesn't mean cereal is bad for you.
someone tried making a Reddit clone called Plebbit and it was built on the Ethereum network, avatars had NFTs, the UI was similar to new Reddit, was clunky, extremely unresponsive and its mascot was the NPC wojak meme so it's just a 4channer trying to swindle money. To actually make an account you had to pay for an address LMAO
Yes, a lot of people saw easy money and tried to cash in on fads. Remember the "Million Dollar Website"? Just because that was stupid doesn't mean the internet was a scam.
It's so exciting to have another paradigm shift afoot. I feel a little regretful (not sure that's the right word here) that I wasn't born early enough to grow up with the rise of internet forums. It's not all bad because I also would not grown up during this great time of queer development, but it would've been neat. So now I get to live through and experience a similar time with web3 type stuff. The whole concept makes my little CS heart smile.
It's definitely an “everything old is new” situation. It’s kind of fascinating how the technology has both become ubiquitous, and been monetized like perhaps nothing before it, but is still able to find a way to serve interests beyond capitalism. It’s a pitiful bar, but I still think it’s neat.
It's also very nice to know that I get a choice. Like, if I enjoy an instance, I can give them a $5-$10 donation and that will be worth tons more than any ads I wasn't going to watch anyway. Once I get a bit more used to these instances, since I'm fortunate enough to be able to, I fully intend to pay some part to help them run. I get there are people who would rather watch ads, but this feels so much better to me.
All this gets me a bit hopeful that we will go full circle and end up using the internet like the old days, even though it is kind of impossible now.
I remember fidonet...
It technically still exists. And even had some sort of resurgence post-2014, apparently.
It was...interesting, LOL. A wild west frontier.
I miss that era. And the age of instant messengers. So many fond memories of MSN Messenger!
I remember two kids in my school literally getting into a fight over MSN vs Yahoo Messengers. Good times. I used Trillian.
Ah I had forgotten about Trillian!
I just looked it up - it's still around!
I also wasn't born early enough to experience the rise of Internet forums. I was a late Reddit adopter, only jumping on in 2020. It is fascinating and exciting to be experiencing this in real time. Even if this isn't an instant and drastic shift, it's still a part of Internet history in the making.
It's starting to feel like the 90's again, but without frames ;-) I haven't felt this engaged with the internet in years
I will have no disparaging of frames, thank you very much.
I loved frames and will not hear a word said against them
New project idea: lemmyframes by 2024, or we do a blackout!
I'm gonna take it up a notch and listen to the album Blackout while doing the 2024 blackout and then blacking out my screen with sharpie
fuck I havent thoguht about frames in a minute
those tiny verticle and horizontal scroll bars, that was a luxurious www
The joy of creating an entire website layout in tables with background images per cell to paint the UI with without a line of CSS
I miss the blink tag and how annoying it was
Absolutely. The spark of the internet is back!
I'm honestly very excited about Lemmy and Mastodon.
With federated and decentralized technology, I think there's a real hope of taking the internet back from the tiny selection of corporatized, monetized, sterile silos we have now, where everyone is forced to abide by the same compromise rules and everything can be co-opted or changed at a moment's notice without the userbase's consent, and giving it to smaller, more fun, radical, unique, and interesting internet communities, run by volunteers who really care, for like minded people.
I think it will lead to a much more diverse and richly textured internet, maybe even a more human internet, since each place you go will be a smaller, more intentional community which policies itself and can develop its own interesting culture and set of norms, while still being connected to everything else so the rot of pure isolation doesn't set in.
Technology — especially how it is structured — is never neutral, and I think for the first time in a long while, we've stumbled on technologies in federation and decentralization that actually tend towards good things. The inherent benefits of federation and decentralization to autonomy and resilience and diversity and resistance tocorporatizationn are stunning, and as long as we don't fuck that up by assuming that those benefits are sufficient, don't rest on our laurels thinking we don't need to maintain a culture that is consciously and intentionally oriented around preserving the things we want to see, I think we'll be okay!
hear hear
web3 was always a cryptocurrency scam and was doomed to fail. Federation is more a return to the early web with a way to link everything together to compete and get similar services to megacorps while distributing costs.
This is what I keep thinking as well. The "kids today" don't remember usenet, IRC, etc. All were decentralized systems capitalizing on distributed compute resources and moderation. They did have problems when it comes to direction, moderation, systems playing "nice", fragmentation, etc. But I still feel the plusses outweigh the minuses in a federated system. Unfortunately the public does like their "benevolent (until they aren't) dictators"...
It's because a system where everything is controlled by one person is so commonplace that any other idea seems foreign and impossible, or more often these days not profitable.
Yeah - and it does simplify things a lot as well. A single entity can move a platform in a specific direction without needing to consult other servers, writing an RFC, etc. And the onboarding is much simpler by comparison.
I think at this point the fediverse should turn its eye towards simplifying sign-ups. If only to make the language more clear about what you are, and are not, locked into when picking an instance. But also provide people with "I don't really care which one I use" options to round-robin them to servers to distribute the load (thinking out loud).
It's a never ending debate on how to "onboard" new users with all the growth. Honestly I'd think it would be easier to compare it to email. like a simple look it all works together just get a account and it will federate. It doesn't matter too much where you sign up your account it's able to send and receive email from everyone. But, everyone gets overwhelmed by choices and not knowing the difference between servers. Something like a email app where it gives you a list to pick and a other option would be good imo.
Would be cool if there were geographic designators for individual instances so you could find one close to you. Not sure if that makes the experience better but I'd assume so.
yeah, the lack of brand presence is a convenient side effect, its refreshing, just like the iconic McCafé® blend. Crafted to perfection by expert baristas, just the way you like it. Get one today at McDonald's®. I'm Lovin' It!
Web 2 was when the buttons got gradients, Web 3 was when we removed them for flat again
Web4 brings back marquee and blink, but with gradients and glitter.
If a website doesn't give you a seizure or a migraine within 10 seconds, it cannot be web 4.0 compliant.
Man, 3D buttons with gradients were the hottest shit for a while. Also, the animated buttons that would just do a crappy flip or rotate for no reason whatsoever other than the tech made it possible.
So much this. I remember lots of 3D text exploding, rendered to poorly dithered gif
Good call. To me, Fediverse feels akin to the earlier days of the web. Fresh, new, relatively unspoiled. Nobody knows exactly wtf is going on, but the possibilities seem vast.
came here to say this... seems just like a forum to me a la web 1.0 or w/e
this feels like what Web 2.0 should have been: the advanced version of user-run platforms with decentralization added in, rather than the adternet and enshittification trap venture capital backed platforms that lure people in and then downgrade quality of life.
This is pretty much the alternate timeline of Reddit. Community driven link aggregators do replace forums, but they stay decentralized and not corporate run
With the quick death of Twitter and the even quicker death of Reddit, we as a community are speedrunning the transition to federated social media. We only need good mobile UX and keeping the growth, and we're set. It feels like a post-apocalypse right now, and I am not sure how to feel about it.
Feel optimistic about it, we’re the trailblazers, pioneering the post-Rexxit era!
To boldly shitpost where no one has shitposted before! 🖖🥹
Lmfao! These are the bowel movements of the starship Fediverse.
Interested to see this develop. It's my first experience with a federated social infrastructure and feels like something I need to work towards. Rewarding in a way.
I feel that. I've interacted more in the few days I've been here than I have during all my years on Reddit.
Yeah somehow this feels way less lurk-y.
It does. For me, I think part of that is a sense of responsibility to help create what I want to be a part of. But people also just seem nicer here!
The web3 that can be named is not the true web3, or something like that.
The "branded" Web3 was about "how do we create the third Web BUBBLE" more than "how do we create the third Web experience." The people who missed buying AOL shares in 1996 or Amazon in 2002 wanted their chance to get in on speculation, except without the utility of an actual service or product underneath the hype.
This is it 100%. I don’t think there is a major platform that does not already exist in the fediverse. I’m sure there is something, but even Instagram and YouTube can be replaced… well the YouTube one is hard due to the bandwidth and storage needed. But the tech is out there.
I think at some point this web3 will take over. Things like YouTube, will eventually come, but we need a lot of cost reduction in current tech to be able to do that.
We are finally taking the web back.
Yep. Definitely feels how it did before the corporate world learned how to take advantage of the online space. Feels good that we now have a solution to that ever growing issue.
I completely agree. It is almost like when you got to play at school but for some reason all the teachers were not there so it was more fun.
But how can this be web3 without blockchain!?
;-)
I finally dipped my toes in and having a blast.
Just need to get Sync/Apollo/etc .. aka the BOYS to come and make some mobile apps and we're SET :)
Is Jerboa on Android the only application currently?
AFAIK yes, but until Spez conveniently ruined his site, Lemmy had like 2% of the user base it just gained. Jerboa is even made by the Lemmy developers IIRC. So now that the usage has spiked, I’m sure there are other developers thinking about it. Hell, I’m considering building an iOS app myself!
Yeah I think so. It's not too bad tbh, but would love to see this ecosystem flourish.
This is why I'm hoping people stay even after the blackout. Lemmy has potential but a big part of it is the community. I already like it here and I've seen it grow despite being here for only a week. It's honestly amazing to watch.
I'm definitely here to stay. Reddit is now reportedly working on blocking the site on mobile browsers. It's not a stretch to assume they'll kill old.reddit, too, to maximise profits.
if old reddit dies the platform dies
I saw that. That's honestly stupid, imo. I mean, they can still track you and force feed you ads. Sure you can have an adblocker but that's the same for mobile.
Idk why they'd do that, tbh.
It really does feel a bit like the early days, for me. Bunch of strangers talking to each other in, generally, good faith. 'Course there were also tons of pop-ups, the banner would've taken an hour to download at that resolution... I like this more. lol
Haha, core memory unlocked. SHOOT THE MONKEY!!! 🎯🎯🎯
feels like a modern take on usenet/newsgroups/bbs.
You pick your local server and your chosen feeds and enjoy.
I hope as more small servers start up and die that we don't just end up with a small number of mega size servers though, that goes against the point.
It certainly feels nostalgic to me being on here. I miss the days of webrings and message boards and just crawling ever forward into unknown new places. I was a kid then though, so I thought it was just me becoming wiser/more tech-savvy. Now I realize how freaky all the consolidation is. Even some video game modding communities now have more of a presence on reddit than anywhere else. It's convenient but so weird.
I agree with u/Pelicanen that it feels like the uncertain times of the early internet where things were hosted by individuals and their really small websites. I don't know to what extent it will catch on (although Discord is huge with milleninals/Gen Z, no?) but it's interesting to imagine a world where the internet is primarily large consumer/business-facing websites and then highly decentralized communities.
Now we just need a federated Youtube replacement.
There actually already is! PeerTube is the fediverse alternative to YouTube, hopefully it'll be able to grow more sometime in the near future.
I have a hard time imaging a free, open video hosting service will ever succeed. YouTube's infrastructure is insane, and that's reflected in their costs.
Any sustainable video hosting platform is going to need a solid monetization plan because the costs of hosting and streaming exabytes of video is just not sustainable on donations. Platforms like Floatplane or Nebula seem like good alternatives, but they've chosen for a subscription-only model - which I personally think is the fairest solution.
I agree that it's difficult, although the whole point of having a federated platform is that no single node would have to host exabytes themselves but each instance could host a certain amount of videos that are relevant to its topic. This of course comes with other downsides but I don't think there's ever going to be a perfect solution.
Storage is cheap but at scale the bandwidth requirements are too much for hobbyists to handle
That has the same problem as any federated service like Lemmy... all that content only exists at the whims of whomever is willing to run the server and foot that bill. If they decide to delete their server, or just screw up and it dies... all that is gone.
We're basically relying on thousands of individuals to be good quality sysadmins and infosec engineers, all for free.
I guess we could move to a mirroring/caching concept so that no single node contains the only copy of loads of data, but then we're duplicating huge quantities of data.
Like even today with Lemmy, there's now thousands of instances stood up and I bet 2/3 of those will be dead within 6 months. So all those posts and comments that get made on those nodes will just go poof... which might be fine for a chat system, but for forums and microblogging (mastodon) that seems terrible
I don't disagree with what you're saying but I'd like to offer two "counterpoints" (I don't see this as a debate but I don't know a more fitting term)
I really hope that this won't all just fold in on itself after the hype starts to wane, and I personally don't think it will (aside from a period of turbulence) but I have been wrong before.
The optimist in me really hopes for this to be true. And it makes a lot more sense vs the crypto-fuelled web3.0 dream.
Also, folks just putting in insane hours of free work is not new considering FOSS projects and even Reddit moderation. And folks who'd like to pay just for something to exist/continue to exist, a la, Patreon.
When you have a heavily personal stake and emotional investment, I definitely see folks paying a monthly fee to keep servers afloat and help with the admin tasks for a server. Vs paying a nebulous corporate entity which will continue to mine your data regardless of how much you pay them.
I'm enjoying the lemmy.world experience, and I believe decentralised social networking could be the future. I am a refugee from Reddit and hopeful there is hope for a open, community focused platform.
As for this platform, I am apprehensive about somebody running the server I have my account with having the power to remove my account and my posts, but I guess this is true of any network in existence.
My concern in the long run is who pays for the hardware and energy costs even if it is federated. Without some kind of reliable funding model who will pay the bills?
Hopeful for many enjoyable encounters in the Fediverse.
Wasn't web3 about everything being under control of a handful of mega corps that own everything? So more like web4 then.
Web 3 2.0
The USB naming strategy
No no, web 1 is now web 3.0 Web 2 is web 3.0 gen 2 And web 3 will be web 3.0 gen 3
Now we await, web 3.0 2x2
Electric Boogaloo.
Web 3: Ah Shit here we go again
and a looooot of shady crypto shit.
"The dark side" of crypto.
Meme coins.
Ugh. I hate the crypto bs.
The crypto side of web3 definitely felt way more "consumerist minded" with the way wallets were able to connect to multiple websites(exchanges) in order to "buy" things(alt/shitcoins). But federated social media feels like a much better use of decentralization so far.
Yeah I feel the same too. And I think decentralization is the only way to web3.
Distributed networks are very very complex to make. But decentralized networks have the simplicity and features of centralized networks with the addition of freedom that distributed networks give.
The best of both worlds really.
I do not like using Web3 to refer to federated platforms. Indeed, Web3 is strongly associated with blockchains, cryptocurrencies and NFTs.
To me Web3 meant federated or p2p stuff, like Secure Scuttlebutt, way before cryptocurrency and NFTs stole the term. I think we should steal it back rather than stop using it!
Web3 has been a pretty big disappointment in that case.
Lemmy is like web 1.5 with threads. Threads which still actually need a lot of work, I might add.
As much as I'm interested in crypto I hate the bizarre idea of nfts. I'm glad they all but died out already.
I still have to come across one situation in which NFTs would be better than what we currently use.
If the data was actually stored in the blockchain, then it would have some chance of being valuable, but every NFT, except I believe Bitcoin's newest, just stores a link in the chain which links to the image or whatever. As long as that's the standard it's not going to see use by anyone but scammers.
While I wouldn't say it would make things like drawings of monkeys with different backgrounds valuable at the very least it would have made them truly decentralized instead of these [random-blockchain-company]-dependent and ICANN-dependent scams
Exactly. A decentralized reference to a centralized server isn't decentralized.
Related: https://web3isgoinggreat.com
yeah, i love this new paradigm. i don't understand it but i hope it'll lead to a better experience with cool usability features later on. hopefully a good buffer against evil & suits & etc
i love how post URLs have numbers now. you can get dubs and trips!
I think we as users defining the future of the web would be a great outcome. Here's to the start of a long project.
I mean I definitely agree that this feels great, but decentralization and federation is what pure Bitcoin and crypto are all about. In many ways this community reminds me of the good vibes and great minds the early days of cryptocurrency discovery encouraged. This predated some of the corruption, VCs, and crypto bros that came around in 2013 during the first boom.
I still think that early soul of empowerment and community is there in Bitcoin itself but you gotta dig a little deeper to find it. I expect Lemmy will also “commercialize” to some extent in coming years, but it’ll always be better than Reddit and other centralized platforms that want to feature gate and censor unfairly.
Yeah, Corporate went off the deep end sniffing coke.
How do you use mastodon or even Twitter for that matter? I've been active on Reddit for a decade plus, but any time I try to tweet or toot it just goes nowhere to no one and I quickly lose interest. How do you get started with this stuff?
Find a few dozen people you like and start responding to their posts. Other people will see them and reply to them, and you can build up a network of people you interact with socially.
It's not quick, but the patience helps to filter down to just the people you actually trust and want to interact with.
In addition to this on mastodon (and *key instances) you can use hashtags can be used to follow and join in on topics you wish to post about. I find that people on the fediverse tend to be a lot more responsive when you talk to them in regards to something they have posted.
So, they're not more short form vs long form if that makes sense. And, you need people to directly follow you to be 'heard'. Unless you're directly replying to someone else.
Ditto for this, I can see the fediverse being the true Web 3.0! Love the freedom, flexibility and that kind of pioneering spirit I get by being an early adopter of what could be a new paradigm. Which is I guess an old paradigm, because we've kind of gone full circle to like, BBS and e-mail.
On the other hand I guess the ability to
scamsell worthless monkey jpegs to greasy bros was kind of an amusing capability of the old web 3.0@kiriakos or skipped 3 and went right to web 4.0
Wishfully thinking, but, I hope companies follow this
That's fine, as long as no instance gets like 99% of the userbase and we are back to square one
That's my concern - that some company buys up some of the most popular instances, then "encourages" their members to concentrate on just one instance, builds up the number of communities on it until it becomes totally dominant and then cuts out all the other instances.
Not that the others couldn't just continue, obviously, but if they're starved of users they'll be starved of content too and the gravitational pull of the big one(s) might drive the small ones into obscurity or closure.
BRB, got a business idea...
That's exactly what Apple, Google, and Facebook did to XMPP. They all started with a federated open protocol messaging system. At first iChat users could talk to GChat, and Messenger users, as well as users of thousands of other servers. After they built their network they closed off federation under the guise of "feature development".
To this day, iMessage still uses an XMPP based backend. But green text is for Apple users only!
Something poetic about Facebook dropping xmpp and now coming back to mastodon
I can totally see the big 5 trying to the same things with activitypub
Might seem naive, but I actually have a hard time imagining this. There's just not a lot to make one instance more desirable than another, which seems like a bad thing, but I don't think it is. I decided against signing up on lemmy.ml because it was laggy, so I went with a smaller instance- all the same content, but without the lag. If a lot of content gets created on one instance, there's no pressure to pile in, because you can view, comment and interact from a different, smaller instance.
There are ways for large players to hijack things if we let them. There's always the embrace, extend, extinguish method where a company starts adding proprietary features to the protocol and then cutting support to the competitors once they hit a critical mass.
Let's say they add some proprietary features. That's basically the difference between kbin and lemmy - they both support enough of the basic feature set required that anything they add on top of it is just "nice to have", not something which would prevent a lemmy user from switching to kbin if every lemmy instance gets shut down.
Just the fact that lemmy/kbin exists and that we are on it suggests that the scenario is unlikely. Still, the idea would be that Meta would make their own ActivityPub based service. They make it super easy for facebook/Instagram users to join. Then eventually they roll out some feature that needs MetaPub, their new open source (if you agree to their strict license) version of the api. Now if you want to interact with people using those features, you need to go to a Meta approved instance. Eventually they disable the old ActivityPub system and cut ties with standard Lemmy/kbin instances. Probably in the name of security or user experience.
I hear you but I'd like to think the federated nature is too complex and spread out for one entity to take it all. That might be wishful thinking though.
I don't know, it just feels like a fancier web 1.0 where things were less centralised (personal websites, forums etc).
Does that mean email is web3 😳
Web 1: Decentralized everything
Web 2: Centralized everything
Web 3: Decentralized everything?
Email is internet, but not Web.
(Actually email is older than internet as well)
I concur. I was thinking the same thing!
Fingers crossed.
I was literally thinking this like an hour ago! Feels like a small revolution that hopefully keeps its momentum and transforms more of the web.
Where's the Fediverse alternative to Facebook?
I think it's existed for over a decade and is called Diaspora.
That's actually a really cool name, fitting too.
I've been arguing for more decentralization for a long time now and have been shifting as much of my usage to self hosted services as possible over the past few years. I'm glad to see others picking up the cause. <3
I prefer web 2.5
Web -"scrap that and start over again."
Good as dead then.
I think you don't understand value proposition of web 3. Aside from financial applications, web 3(if realized properly) gives you certainty and even a better ux. Imagine you have a single account, secured and truly decentralized (no one will be able to delete or manipulate your account) you can easily signup in any web 3 site/app and start using it, ideally you content, data or whatever You're generating in this platform is stored on a Blockchain, immutable for ever. No one can censor you! You don't have to trust goodwill of anyone, everything will just work!
I've dreamed for years about a decentralized single sign-in method. Some of the worst security issues derive from using passwords, usernames, emails, etc. Two factor authentication is ultimately just a band-aid fix for now. I truly think the killer usecase of web3 will be the ux. I'm glad that there's someone else that shares this conviction.
While signing up for Lemmy, I found myself wishing for a web3 sign-in method. Federation is great, but there are so many servers and to have an account on each would be silly. Instead of crossing the server boundary on an account from your home server, why not just have a native account on each, connected by your decentralized web3 sign-in.
Exactly! Fortunately there are some great devs working on generalized web 3 sign in(like SpruceID) and we have some experiments with blockchain based social media(like Lens protocol) These are by no means perfect but can paint a picture of what's actually possible if we were to differenciate some bad actors using this new technology to scam people from actual underlying tech
I don't think no censoring is a good thing, opens for a LOT of harassment.
I totally get your point. but I feel like thinking that censoring is OK comes from the fact that most of people here have not ever experienced authoritarian regimes or been on the other side(getting censored) In a web 3 platform your content is always there but it doesn't mean that we all can see it! You can opt-in to use some kind of moderated ui that only shows appropriate content. Isn't this the same? No cause I'm free to express myself and people willing can follow my thoughts and if you find it inappropriate you're also free to ignore me. If you're interested I can share examples of these censorships that leads to people getting killed
Edit: grammar
My brother in bucatini, we're going to get an authoritarian regime if right-wing misinformation is allowed to spread unchecked!
There is a huge difference between moderation of posts on a platform and an authoritarian regime.... That's a long stretch, having a platform deleting something you posted that doesn't fit in, or is hatefull is something completely different from having an authoritarian regime going against you, if you have an authoritan regime then having something on a blockchain that can't be deleted is an extremely bad idea as well, that's another problem with that that I didn't see before, so thanks for that at least.
That's not a stretch. Let me give you a recent example. In past few months people in Iran started protesting against regime(it's mostly known as Woman Life Freedom, you can search for it online) To begin with there's no such thing as free internet in Iran but people are used to ways to circumvent it(Proxy/VPN) but guess what? Instagram the most popular social media in iran decides that videos from the protests where actual people are getting shot on the street is "violent" and "harmful" and decides to remove them(not just shootings, even those where people were simply chanting)! How the hell are people supposed to tell the world what's going on there? It's not just Instagram it's almost all of these social media(which Iranian people don't really know of or use) How would web 3 solve this? Of course it's not magical and it's not going to solve this completely but at least these people would have chance to share what's going on There are hundreds of such events year Also blockchain is pseudonymous and isn't necessarily tied to a person may I ask what's your problem with web 3? What makes you hate it so much?
There are places where they can, or else I would have not known about it, and I do, so there is obviously something. I also know about things that happen in china that that government doesn't want us to know, because people I have interacted with who are from there have been sharing stuff.
I don't know where you get this "hate" from, there is no reason to put words in my mouth as I never said I hate it, I just disagree that it's a good idea. But that you are already grabbing for disingenous tactics like that really tells me enough about you, so that's the end of the discussion for me.
I don't understand your first sentence but it's ok i guess we both have our values Also probably hate wasn't right word to use you're right Have a nice day
No it's something used to start makinga discussion sour, you put words in my mouth that I never said, it's not that you used the wrong word, you decided you didn't like what I said and wanted to shut me down, or should we say... censor my opinion.
Down votes as expected, would appreciate some actual reasoning from anyone against what I've said
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Consegui pingar vcs?
Os pings são tão diferentes aqui. meio estranho.
Pq? como apareceu?
Aparecia como notificação, mas quando eu clicava na notificação não aparecia.
Só apareceu depois de eu mandar mostrar todas as notificações e não só as não lidas.
Mas ele ainda contava como não lida no simbolo.
Proof of Stake will keep actual resource costs maintainable, and Blockchain does do some cool stuff for decentralization, and therefore federation. Right now Lemmy instances are tied to DNS. Hopefully in the future they will be tied to cryptographic assets. Distributed Autonomous Organizations are a great example of the potential.
What advantage would switching to crypto have? I'm not well versed in how Lemmy works yet but I don't see why Lemmy would need blockchain.
Because Crypto desperately needs new fodder for the bottom of the pyramid
Blockchain is basically a write only database. It's great for stuff like financial transactions, but it's not really necessary for something like Lemmy.
Blockchain/proof of work is indeed not necessary, but identities should not be bound to instances. That's the thing #nostr gets right and the #fediverse doesn't.
What possible reason would Lemmy need the Blockchain for that makes you hopeful they'll adopt it?