'Scripture is very clear': New House Speaker tells Congress God has 'ordained' them
Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, in his first remarks after being elected Wednesday afternoon, told Members of Congress that “Scripture” and “the Bible” are clear that they have been “ordained” by God.
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Democrats should name all their laws after the Bible. Eye of the Needle bill: wealth tax and just demagogue that we need to pass this to save American souls. Mark 1:40 bill: universal healthcare
I legitimately and unironically would support this initiative. It’s a good idea.
It's an incredibly good idea. Is this the way?
Pack it up lemmys, we've done it.
ETA: bois to lemmys for inclusion :)
We did it lemmy!
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Vote YES on Joshua 6:25 and Ezekiel 23:20!
I've been saying this for a long time. I genuinely think this would yield better results.
I can't describe how much I like this idea.
It's a great idea but unfortunately it has some significant flaws.
First, I imagine quite a lot of the Christianity in American politics is performative. The politicians could just hand wave away the passages and say "That's not what Jesus meant, he personally told me so".
The fundamentalists suckers would believe them and vote for them even harder and the ones that are drawn to religion for the excuse to abuse people won't care as long as their abusive itches get scratched.
The other problem is that if it did work, it's comes across as more than a little Christofascist.
The far-right and religious "in it for abuse" crowds would take to it like flies to dog shit and the bible has some horrific stuff in it that you'd definitely never want becoming law.
Better to just pry fundamentalists and neoliberals from power so all they can do is seethe while progressives pass these kinds of laws. With genuine end times just around the corner, time is a factor.
Republicans will always find a way. Even if it contradicts what they just said a minute prior. You're not gonna stop suckers from going along with ppl using them for power/money. We should just take the win.
That’s the point. Break suspension of disbelief and see the stage crumble.
The biggest flaw is democrats have too much tact. They couldn't possibly offend the people trying to oppress their constitutes.
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When lemmy gives you lemons, make lemmy-nades! 💣
It wouldn't work since none of the GOP has ever read the Bible.
“The I Stand to be Counted as the Faithful of the Lord Spending and Appropriations Bill will now be voted on.”
Christofascist says what?
Deus vult.
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Even Jesus thought so. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" means exactly that.
If those Christian nationalists could read they'd be very upset
Like these asshats have ever read the Bible. At least, nothing past the old testament.
Bringing up God summoning 2 bears to slaughter 42 children for calling one of his deciples a "baldhead" is always a fun tid bit!
I would not call that a just or kind god.
Many of the OT stories are horrifying. Book of Job is probably the worst, where a petty God destroys a good and pious man to win a wager with Satan.
Who would be interested in worshipping a God who would do such a thing to his own followers, and whose omnipotence is so limited that he can be tricked by Satan into performing evil acts?
Come on man, that would take way too much intelligence and critical thinking skill, for GOP voters to understand.
"Prosperity theology" often goes hand in hand with neoliberalism.
If you're not quite psychopathic enough for "I don't care about the morality of using child slaves, only the profitability", you can assuage that guilt with "If God didn't want me to profit from child slavery, he would have stopped me doing it".
What is the difference between this guy and a Taliban officer?
I don't care how much he enjoys talking about his favorite fairy tale novel, congress is not a book club.
Zero difference. They're both the same shade of conservative, far-right, religious fundamentalist.
Not fair. The Taliban is honest witr his desire to oppress women, minorities and undermine all education. This guys pretends to stand for equality for all while in public
First Timothy
I too enjoy joking about oppressing women.
*crickets
Oh, but that's totally different! You see, their holy book is just a bunch of heathenish drivel, whereas our holy book is the one and only god given truth! How do I know? It says so right here in my holy book!
I had some bible thumping baptist going door to door tell me almost exactly that. I had time, and decided to amuse myself in engaging these two guys. I talked to them for about 20 mins before they left. I kept asking them to compare their religion to various religions around the world, including eastern relgiions, and was quoting passages from many of them. These guys clearly had never studied anything but their version of christianity. Their only defense was, "But this was written by our lord and savior, Jesus Christ"
Did they say which part? I'm no theologian, but I don't remember mentions of any actual writings by Jesus himself.
The argument usually is that the authors, compilers, and translators were guided by the hand of God. Not specifically that Jesus was sitting down with an inkwell.
Closest thing is written accounts by the men who traveled with him about Jesus's actions and statements.
Oh you have those? Can I see one?
He didn't exist so he couldn't have written anything. If he had existed and was raised in Nazareth he would have been in a village so small that it didn't even have a place to pray and in a region so backwards that the literacy rate was around 1%. There are no works that people claim that he wrote. Even that was a bridge too far for them. Walking on water was more believable than being literate in that region.
That's an easy mistake to make, this guy's a Talibangelical
Same God, different prophet. So not much really. Except maybe that Taliban don't ban abortion as far as I'm aware.
Nope, the Taliban are like christo-fascist fundamentalists in ignoring or intentionally misinterpreting their scriptures to ban abortion.
Skin tone
Ehhh, mainly access to clean running water
Hypocrisy.
The Taliban are way less hypcrite.
The irony would be God disliking this guy
Didn't know this guy was an officer.
Well, at least we’re not killing it in the womb—the only unacceptable place to kill things. Let’s just deprive it of education and healthcare.
Already done.
Ok that gave me a chuckle, nicely written
I read that in John Stewart's voice.
It’s a multinational crime syndicate masquerading as a political party.
I feel like even the smart ones who built rockets and bombs saw us killing nazis and were like "yeah that's probably for the best"
A lot of Nazis, the high ranking ones, fucked off to Venezuela and other places when they saw the end in sight and knew their necks were on the line (literally in some cases) if caught. I can imagine some used their stolen wealth to continue that brand of hate for the last 80+ years. "The smart ones" were intentionally sabotaging the Nazi war effort and defecting to the Allies with information on the Nazis' attempts at nuclear weapons. A lot of those scientists were never allowed to leave or live past the end of the war in Nazi Germany.
They were inspired by our fascists. Bringing them here change things so little that even the number of fascists overall in the United States and barely had a bump in their growth.
"I believe that Scripture, the Bible is very clear that God is the one that raises up those in authority."
Oh, so since God raised Biden to Authority that means you're going to respect God's plan right?
Lol... Yeah... You'll all continue to pay lip service to the Bible as long as it serves your purpose.
Yeah. This sort of talk in a lot of organized religion is a well-established cue to the listener that they can shut off their critical thinking. The intended audience is accustomed to hearing it and welcomes it, because they have the same goal as the one who says it: to have the thing they want be right.
So their minds don’t start extrapolating to see if the words hold up to scrutiny. That’s the last thing they’d want to do.
I move to change
Especially considering religious leaders are taking Jesus OUT if their sermons because he is too liberal for them.
If you take Jesus out aren't you just back to Judaism?
I read this as a Judas joke which I loved, hopefully I wasn't correct or my comment is dumb for pointing out the obvious. Lol
You still have Paul?
Gods I hate that guy. Why so many people don't question why they should listen uncritically to the guy who hit his head on a rock and hallucinated Jesus and used the whole thing as a thinly veiled reason to tell people how to behave is just...
I am sorry but I think you are a woman and I don't permit you to preach or led me. Go ask your husband at home to explain it to you.
Now if you ask me I have a convoluted manifesto to write about the humanity of Jesus that proves that I can eat bacon. Let me send you 90 letters on the topic.
Ah well, half right. I definitely have a husband but am also not a woman so I think I am probably disqualified from discourse on other stupid rules that Paul completely made up.
You got any extra bacon to share though?
Bad news about that. He singled out the LGBT freaken twice for hell fire. Lived in a world where slaves could be executed on a whim and this is the group he decided to go after.
I would but Paul told me I would die if I didn't give him all my bacon.
I think they are aiming to be left with capitalism.
What do you expect when your government is comprised of a bunch of greedy scummy lawyers.
They will say literally anything to get power. Speech is rhetoric and they care nothing about reality.
Fuck your religion. Keep that shit out of politics please.
Lmao, God has nothing to do with those guys💀
god isn't a good guy. he's a villain. they can have him.
If you are talking about olympic gods, sure
Nah, just the Abrahmic god that decided to flood the world and kill nearly everyone on it innocent or not.
"Kill your son."
"What...?"
"Do it, prove to me that you care more about doing what I say than you do about your own son."
"Are you serious? That's horrible."
"Fucking do it. You want to spend infinite lifetimes in permanent anguish? Kill him. Now. Cut him open on that big flat rock over there. Gut him with a big fuck off knife, like a sword or something. Slice him up."
"But he's my son, I live him."
"Sharpen the knife first then. Kill him, or I kill you, and him, and the rest of your family."
"Ok, but, ffs, this is insane..."
"Haha I was just foolin, you don't have to. I was just joshin. Just joshin with ya."
"Should I... Do you want me to kill my son or..."
"WTF no! I was just messing around. But seriously don't ever disobey me or you're fucking done."
God douche: It was just a prank dude! Since 7th centru AD!
Impractical Deities be like "Okay Sal, now tell him to bring his kid up to the top of the mountain and kill it."
I mean, Noah warned them, so yea-
Hey you're gonna die, it's on you now wink
Not what he said
Noah warned some people, what about the rest of the planet? I'm sure native Americans enjoyed suddenly being drowned with no warning.
Back then "the entire world" was a slang term for you neighborhood.
Nope, talking about the one who told his followers to rip fetuses out of the bellies of pregnant women and smash them against the rocks, and to take any virgin girl children they find as sex slaves
yahweh's murder count is well over 2 million. he's pretty much the god of murder.
Who am I to judge, right?
To be clear there is no god. Also to be clear the stories you have about your god describe a poorly written villain who even if it were real, again it isn't, deserves nothing from humanity except contempt.
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And the Constitution and its Amendments are very clear about a separation of church and state.
Some idiots think it means the government can't do anything to regulate churches. There a bunch of laws that disagree.
It actually explicitly doesn't say you can't relate churches.
If we're going strictly by what the words say, as long as the people are still legally allowed and freely allowed to practice their religion, Congress technically has the right to regulate religious institutions to their hearts content.
It's not like it says "shall make no law regulating an institution of religion."
The Vermont Constitution has a much more explicit freedom from religion:
Article 3. [Freedom in religion; right and duty of religious worship]
That all persons have a natural and unalienable right, to worship Almighty God, according to the dictates of their own consciences and understandings, as in their opinion shall be regulated by the word of God; and that no person ought to, or of right can be compelled to attend any religious worship, or erect or support any place of worship, or maintain any minister, contrary to the dictates of conscience, nor can any person be justly deprived or abridged of any civil right as a citizen, on account of religious sentiments, or peculia[r] mode of religious worship; and that no authority can, or ought to be vested in, or assumed by, any power whatever, that shall in any case interfere with, or in any manner control the rights of conscience, in the free exercise of religious worship. Nevertheless, every sect or denomination of christians ought to observe the sabbath or Lord’s day, and keep up some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God.
Everytime I hear of Vermont it feels like the only sane, progressive state in the US. It almost feels like a seperate country compared to everywhere else.
What's the opinion of it in the US?
You can't fart in a parking lot without stinking up a Subaru.
I'd move there if y'all had better winters and beaches.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
We're the thinking of Vermont as a possible destination once my wife is eligible for her full retirement pension, and we can get out of this christo-conservative, handmaid's-tale-wannabe, craphole of a state (Texas).
We're not 'brown' but it would still be nice if Vermont had some more diversity by the time we get there.
It is entirely composed of a coat factory, an ice cream factory, and B&Bs.
"no law" is not literal it is aspirational. At least according to what I have heard. If it was literal there could be zero rules about speech which breaks the constitutional ideas of oath of office and treason charges.
The aspirational would be a government that doesn't even know religion exists. It is taxed, regulated, and given the same respect as any other institution.
A bunch of states don't tax church property and both states and feds don't tax earnings for this reason.
Who watches the nightwatchers? Who or what systems could regulate the government? Ask yourself
Oh yeah the churches are the group that I'm gonna trust with that.
Can the argument not go both ways? I'm not saying I would trust the church to watch over the government or vice versa I'm simply making an observation that tyrannical government overreach etc is plausible and a potential cause for concern for any person that places a degree of their trust in the systems or bodies around them
Ok, show me where it says that then
Specifically, I like this line here, that was present in the third paragraph I quoted from the Constitution:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that we specifically don't care if God, Allah, Buddha, or whoever says they are supposed to be in power?
Edit: and since we both want to be dickheads, today, why don't you show me where it says in the Constitution to base our laws around the bible?
None of that says that church and state must be separate, just that there can be no religious test. There's nothing in there barring him from saying "I think God blesses the people here"
In fact, to really be edgy, that also doesn't prevent the government from say donating $10B each year to some Christian church.
To your second point, I never suggested that the Constitution says we should base our laws around the Bible.
My only point is the oft quoted Separation of church and state is only an idea from the Jefferson papers. If you want to make sure church and state remain separate, and the new speaker doesn't start using federal funds for his church, perhaps it's time to actually put separation into the Constitution?
If no qualifying religious measure can be used to install a person into office, it stands to reason that religious belief shouldn't come into play.
I would hope our (the US') political system would be aware enough that writing private funding into any religious system would be seen as favoritism and the remaining belief systems would be righteously offended at the lack of consideration, or perhaps even the outright rejection of our beliefs.
This nation was built on immigrants (and the blood of natives, but that isn't what we are discussing) from every walk of life, every religious circle. To disregard others in favor of your own belief SHOULD be political suicide. These elected officials, after all, supposed to be elected to help with the concerns of the WHOLE populous, after all, not just a specific subset.
Playing religious favoritism has a high potential to try to convert the country into a religious state, as funding continues to be funneled into these specific religions, and in turn the churches funnel money back into the candidates as lobbying.
Coming to that point, does anyone who wants to to fund the church with government money which would be better used to take homeless off the streets, feed homeless children, or making people's lives in general, don't have the people's, or even God's best interests at heart?
Do they tithe their first ten percent, as the Bible says? Surely it would be in their tax records as charitable donations? If not, that would make me even more suspect of their intentions.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
That's really more a bar on state religion, that again doesn't really prevent our new speaker from say proposing a bill that donates Federal funds to his favorite church, so long as the government isn't in control of said church.
That would be news to Madison, the man who wrote it. He specifically wrote it to stop a religious funding policy in Maryland. As he pointed out funding would have to pick and choose which religions to fund
It would also be news to Jefferson- his letter to the Danbury Baptists highlights that states like Mass and CT established state religions under the confederation rules, which put Baptists in CT in the role of a religious minority, required to pay taxes to the Congregational Church. In colonial times it was the established religion, a state of affairs that would continue until it was 'disestablished' as the state religion via a state constitutional amendment in 1818.
Quetiapine 50mg, twice per day. Increase dosage if voices persist
That's way to low of a dose for hallucinations.
Start with 300mg XR and up the dose of necessary
Jesus Fuck! I was put on 10mg for a month and it turned me into a fucking mindless zombie. 300mg would comatose me.
I think you're misremembering. 25mg is the lowest dose for quetiapine
Yes it did have that effect too! My memory of the month is fuzzy at-best. So it would have been 25mg. It was the lowest dose. I remember halving it after the first day it was so strong. :/
Probably the point?
Dude really pulled the “divine right” card huh?
The French invented a wonderful device to cure sufferers of the divine right delusion:
Leaders claiming divinity leave the proletariat no choice but to demand proof
Fortunately it's a testable hypothesis
If the head comes off, your claim is coiffe
It's spelled covfefe
He did it. He said the magic words that turn on a neverending money tap from "christian" conservatives who aren't smart enough to tell when they're getting grifted.
Well, that's because they've been indoctrinated since birth into a cult that exists to gift people.
Imagine if religious fundamentalism wasn't acceptable for a statesman. What a crazy modern world we could be living in.
Although I guess in the case of the US, the country was founded out of religious fundamentalism in its entirely, and from a clean slate. Much more difficult to untangle it.
Unless my history lessons are evading me, your country was founded by deists running from fundamentalists.
Fundamentalists running from people not letting them be as fundamentalist as they wanted.
Some of them, especially during the colonies founding, and especially up north. Jefferson, for example, was a deist though, which believes God (the one from the Bible) exists, but he doesn't interact with anything.
only some of the people were fundamentalists running from people who didn't let them be fundamentalist, they also had a great many wars with the government because of it
Anabaptists had an end-time cult, took over cities, instituted religious law, legalized polygamy for their leaders, and publicly beheaded their opponents. They were basically the ISIS of their day.
You're both right. Though the diests tended to be the ones more in the government itself. We had our fair share of fundamentalists to fundamental for back home.
The sad part is that your constitution was considered groundbreaking for the time and some say it influenced the french revolution.
Yes the USA was founded by deists, after the fundamentalists had settled the frontier land. It's both basically.
That includes the Democrats, right?
On but that includes like Stalin too, like does he not hear his words?
God totally "raises up those in authority," he just makes oopsies
here and thereall the fucking time.Or maybe he's evil. Or he changes his mind a lot. Or maybe, possibly, y'know... the dude doesn't exist.
Nonono you see God raises up all the "good" people, all the "bad" people were godless heathens.
See the "good" people appeal to Gods followers by claiming to be a prophet of gods wisdom and telling them to vote for them on faith. The "bad" people tricked and manipulated others into gaining their power by posing as false prophets and liars.
Do you see the difference?
they're the same picture .·´¯
(>▂<)´¯·.I prefer the simpler Jesus Backflipping Christ but I love yours, too
This seditionist asshat shouldn't even be allowed to be in politics anymore. The more we allow people to try to overturn elections, the more impossible it will be to stay a democracy.
so thats what bile tastes like
I guess the Republicans choose to ignore the separation of church and state.
Shame, since they call up the constitution so frequently.
Must be like the bible, they haven't actually read the thing they espouse to take their guidance from.
The sheer pride in ignorance these days astounds me.
It isn't bad to be ignorant, we all have things to learn every day. Its bad to be proud of it and to refuse to elevate oneself above their own shortcoming.
If that isn't the republican party in a nutshell, though.
He believes that all leaders are raised up by the hand of God. Better get those sainthoods lined up for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Putin, Mugabe, etc.
Those people - including Johnson - aren't leaders. They're bureaucrats with fancy titles and institutionalized power - the exact thing Jesus wasn't.
Then why do they complain about Biden, or any Democrat?
Because they're fuckwad hypocrites with no actual moral center of course
Humanity once again assumes no accountability. All good things and Inventions are apparently important to us, but give authority to one mass murderer and apparently it's acceptable to blame God, after the fact. Consider an alternative possibility, that your conscience is begging for mercy.
Somebody get me outta this backwards country 🥺
We're either almost on the other side of the critical failure of trumpism, or we're about to fulfill our destiny to actualize idiocracy.
I give it 50/50 odds either way..
Christ on bike how bad is it that idocracy is better outcome
Feels more like the prequel to A Handmaid's Tale, tbh.
You can do it - I did.
Yeah - sounds like a pain. 25+ years later, it's been worth it to get the hell out of New Jersey.
Oh is that all? So easy. Just find a skill. They grown on trees.
Well, if you’re looking on trees, that explains a bit.
But seriously - I hated my job in ‘94, picked up a book in HTML, and within 6 months was able to get a job at a web startup. By ‘98 I was able find a job in The Netherlands and move here literally a month later.
I know of financial analysts, accountants, designers, plumbers, builders, nurses - all from outside the EU, moving here. About 80% have gone back, but that 3-5 year window gave them plenty of experience and an external view of what they REALLY wanted for their future.
You can do it, but you have to know what you want, where you want to go and especially, what the market needs.
Prove it. Say something Dutch! I dare you!
Gotver!
That probably checks out!
No. You can do it. And you know other people who have done it because they live there too. Not because they were able to change skillsets and find one Europeans want.
This is the same mentality as "if you don't like your job, just start up a small business."
This is not achievable by anyone.
Heh. I was trying to be encouraging but clearly you’re not here for information. Not sure why you decided to stick your nose in and tell the world why you’re so fatalistic, but from the number of immigrants who go to Europe or North America or Asia yearly, and become successful in their moves, it can be done.
Let’s face it. You just don’t want to bother.
Edit: moved from NJ to Colorado to here, after nearly a decade, finally invested in an apartment and will sell it at 2.25x what I paid for it, and will in retire soon to Bali.
But you just keep telling yourself that this can’t be done... 👍
To be fair, in your other comment you stated that you got in on Web Development before the first dot com bubble burst. With the years listed you could also have easily made bank with Y2K consultancy work around that time as well, as many in the tech sphere in that time did.
Defeatism and people who give up before they've started is bullshit, but you should also take some time to reflect on the factors external to your own efforts that had considerable impact on your own success.
The first step is trying, but at least half of the impact of anyone's effort is dependent on situations outside of their own control. The key is to not stop trying, and to do all you can to pivot into situations beneficial to you and away from those that aren't. Much easier said than done.
Fair enough - there have been a couple of times I probably could have "made bank", but I'm not a visionary that way, and I've done well enough to be happy.
I lost the want to be rich. I'm well off enough and secure enough to not pine over missed opportunities. I've also learned to look for less in life, because it became readily apparent that, for me, More was not Better.
I think the thing to also consider is that when you enter a new country, you really start all over. When I left the US, I had maybe $10K to my name and I had to rebuild my credit rating, get work papers so I could (after 6 years) leave the job I was let into the country for and go to another one without being tossed out of the country in the process. Getting out from under whatever oppression I felt living in the US was the most massive success I've had.
Here, I wasn't bound by conventions, and when people said "we don't do that", I still had the freedom of mind to try anyway. There's a great benefit to reinventing yourself occasionally, and forgetting your own (or imposed) limitations. Once I learned I could navigate my new country, I explored Europe, then Asia and generally on my own - and I felt more confident than I ever previously had.
As well, there's affordable care, a social support system where you can be on unemployment for nearly a year without losing your home or going hungry, and a work ethic that says "work well, not hard - and take time for yourself". It was an eye opener.
You're right - the first step is trying, but keep stepping after that. Learning to keep adapting and that it will never end - it's a superpower if you use to better yourself and your goals.
TL;DR: I seriously hit the RESET making my move, but the growth experience ended up being far more worthwhile than cashing out. I still work, but I'm more relaxed, have formidable savings and health care and will retire well off enough to never want.
Not only before the.com bubble burst. But even having a PC at a time when most people didn't have a PC. Let alone access to the internet and even the awareness that learning HTML would be a good idea. Guy has so much privilege that he's just ignoring. It's pretty insulting.
Plenty of people would never have had that opportunity regardless of how hard they worked. And every one of us that moves away only makes it harder for those that stay. I'll congratulate the people that do it on the situation that they managed to work out for themselves. But they should rightfully expect ire form others. Flaunting privilege like that.
Dude gave up before they even started. Definitely can't do it with that mentality.
Well, you know me better than I do.
Exactly. So don't even try. More places for the rest of us.
Depending on how much family/real estate you have, moving out of the US isn't as difficult as you might intuitively think it'd be. At least not to other english-speaking countries like Canada, the UK or Ireland. Though do keep in mind that with the UK you're hardly making your situation any better, yes on paper you get public health care and it's still worlds better than the US, but it's in such shambles you don't want to rely on it. Tories! 🥳 🤢
But even outside of that, moving to some other countries such as France or Germany depending on your language skills isn't as problematic as it was even 10 years ago any more, either. While these are still largely language dependent, a lot has internationalized in larger cities and having to rely on some english is no longer a big deal.
Canada's not doing much better mate but we're hanging in there. Til our next election I guess.
Yeah I know, Germany is swinging far stupid-right, too. It's shit everywhere, but it's still better than in the US.
The world follows the US's lead. When the US took a hard right turn after 9/11, europe slowly started following. I can't believe it has taken the US this long to rebound, (granted gerrymandering for the last 13 years has drastically slowed it). As the US rebounds, europe will too, slowly.
Are we rebounding? It feels like the downwards slide is continuing.
Sitting at the bottom I hope, waiting for shift to happen.
Again, what is the difference between this and Taliban?
If you express grandiose delusions you should be sitting in a psychiatric chair. Not a senate chair.
I'm not sure which would be worse: that he didn't think this claim through to its logical conclusion, or that he did and didn't see the problem.
Another fucking zealot, great.
Barry Goldwater
Also relevant:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1981/09/16/goldwater-lashes-religious-pressure/b1caa379-49fa-4e04-82de-dccda6f5e7f9/
Daily reminder that Clinton was a Goldwater Girl. She's never been anything but a class traitor.
In the context of my post wouldn't that make her a bit ahead of her time, considering she was raised in a politically conservative Illinois family?
I mean by all means get triggered by Hillary Clinton because she lives rent free in your head but realistically Hillary had nothing to do with this post, and in this context being a "Goldwater girl" isn't a negative, especially when you remember that we're taking about the 60's here.
Down voted by milquetoast libs
I'm just confused about why Clinton was even brought up. I also don't see how she's a class traitor when she was always wealthy. If she is a class traitor, wouldn't that be a good thing?
It’s completely off topic to bring up Hillary - she hasn’t even been in politics for 7-8 years now or so.
It’s time to move on. You can find a new woman to pillory. Somebody else can live rent free in your head.
You joke, but in the UK we are literally lorded over by a family that claims god chose them to rule over us, and we all just have to go along with it. And it isn't just passive acceptance, I've seen people unironically support it (E: not just royalty, but the actual "chosen by god" part).
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug, and the US is heavy on it, there are entire populations made deliberately vulnerable to exactly this brand of bullshit.
For sure. They feed it to us here in the US pretty much every day for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Yeah, "god save the king" is peanuts compare to the whole ultra nationalist zombie like daily vow of allegiance, it's so creepy.
(to be clear, fuck our thing too, it's obviously enough to work, it's survived hundreds of years so far)
"One day, you will answer for your actions, and God may not be so... Merciful.
Someone should tell them that someday somehow they will die and someone's gonna steal their carbon.
Hmm, carbon~
And here I thought it was pretty clear that the basis for his authority is the constitution, not in scripture.
In the country where kids have to pledge allegiance to "one Nation under God" in school?
In the country where the constitution says there shall be no official state religion.
No official state religion... under God.
When a conservative talks about God, just remember that money is his god.
God is just a picture of that same conservative, with a beard and sitting in a cloud.
Do any schools still do that? I guess maybe in the south. Ohio stopped doing it a long time ago.
But it is long past the time when the GOP cared for what the founding fathers said.
The district containing Charlottesville always votes religious right-wingers lately. They removed Denver Riggleman because he officiated a gay wedding, to put up an anti-gay marriage candidate. The city itself doesn't vote this way, but that's still the representative.
In the town of Thomas Jefferson, who listed the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom as among his 3 proudest accomplishments.
It's even in the fucking Bible!
"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
“We just throw all the money up into the air, and what god wants he takes, and leaves the rest to us.”
Can we get a citation? I've actually read the bible, and no it doesn't.
I think he's referring to Romans 13:1.
Of course, it's his interpretation that it's them and the US specifically that God has given special favor. That citation is missing.
^1^Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. ^2^Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that says election deniers are going to hell. Right?
I hate this timeline
Don't worry, it'll be over soon. Just keep spending.
well my God hates you, Mike. 🖕
Even Jesus thinks he’s a dick.
My God also hates that downvote dude here too. 🖕
My God likes Fetterman, Shapiro and Kenyatta.
So there.
🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Sometimes I forgot local political actors also exist as well as people who hold federal office, and for a second I was like, "who the fuck likes John Fetterman AND Ben Shapiro?" lmao
omg I could see why that read terribly LOL
Yeah? He sure took his sweet fucking time as well, didn't he? Oh, right. "Mysterious ways."
That's honestly been the most frustrating part of this whole affair. It feels like the left would rather jack themselves off over their moral and intellectual superiority than get down in the dirt digging these lunatics out. This isn't something to laugh about and it's not going to go away. There is a very real risk that we will lose our basic freedoms and possibly lives to a bunch of fascists within the next few years, and all these armchair socialists can do is point and laugh.
Do you have some insight into what the left could do though? I'm frustrated too, but it's not as though Democrats are voting these people into office. What would "digging these lunatics out" look like and how would it change things?
Let me begin by saying that I don't know if it's even possible at this point to reverse the course we're on. I'm not a political scientist, or a historian, or a lawyer. I'm a white guy in my 20s who was born and raised in the rust belt.
There needs to be an effort made to understand the underlying factors that are driving these people into a fascist death cult and address them. Yes, they're racist, uneducated assholes, but they're also poor, desperate, and in many ways culturally marginalized. There was a massive brain drain out of the rust belt in the 70s. The money flowed out and the drugs flowed in, just like what happens in the inner cities. It's been decaying ever since. This decay has create a breeding ground for extremism that was first ignored by everybody, then harnessed by Republicans into a potent political weapon.
It's reached a point where we may be forced to solve this kinetically, but efforts need to be made to draw as many people out of the cult as possible. The thing that kept me hooked in (I was involved in a lot alt-right spaces back in 2012-17) was the persistent notion that "the left doesn't want me". We need to be offering opportunities to leave the Trump bubble, and to show them that we genuinely want to help and work together.
That was a lot of rambling but I guess the gist is we need to learn to extend the right olive branches where possible, and prepare for a fight because it could easily turn into the largest war this hemisphere has ever seen. They're anger is borne out of real frustrations, and their threats are unignorable.
What was it then that drew you out?
It was a combination of a lot of things. In 2018 I dropped out of college and on a whim signed up for AmeriCorps. I ended up working with my local Habitat for Humanity affiliate and found myself surrounded by people from all different beliefs and backgrounds, many of whom were recent immigrants or refugees. I made new friends and ended up in a lot of left-leaning spaces which, at the time, was very uncomfortable. Through these people, I learned that those I had feared and hated were just that: people.
As the Trump presidency wore on I became more and more disillusioned with the far right and their incompetencey, while simultaneously becoming more receptive to leftwing solutions to the political anxieties that had lured me to fascism in the first place. By 2020 I was off the Trump train and ridin' with Biden.
It has taken me years of work to pull the hooks of fascism out of my psyche, and the scars they left behind will take years longer to heal. It is an ideology devoid of love, which takes a lot of effort to relearn. I don't know how to do the same for the millions of others who have been inducted into this cult. Years of deliberate self-reflection and dis comfortable may be too much to ask, especially without a healthy support system to fall back on.
There may be nothing we can do to stop what is happening now, but I suppose we can try. The number one thing is we need to do is offer them a way out. They are not irredeemable for having been magats and we don't hate them. We need to show them that we're on their side and offer real demonstrable solutions to the problems they face. We need to treat them real like human beings with legitimate worries and fears. We need to flood their spaces with leftist ideals that don't punch down at all the "stupid racist hicks from flyover country". As corny as it is, we need to love this movement to death, because that's the one thing they need more than anything.
Failing that it may be time to pull out some 155.
Take idk... one single page out of the Republicans playbook? Work in unison regardless of infighting? Stop reaching across the aisle? Stop arguing in good faith because they aren't?
It's unclear what this accomplishes. Do you think more people (center-right) will support Democrat candidates if they did these things?
I certainly would.
They might accomplish something
This certainly seems.. problematic. What would "going after" these stations and hosts even look like? Would they be prohibited from discussing certain topics, or operating entirely? Is it only when they're spreading misinformation? Aside from the obvious 1A issues, how would you prevent abuse when power swings the other way and it's now the right deciding who to go after?
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you point to an example where freedom of speech on the left has been restricted?
I heard Glen Beck blabbing about how current events are aligned with end time prophecy today. It's fucking crazy how these morons think, and even crazier that they have a nationwide megaphone.
I would like to point out however that the push for "globalism" and cooperation itself is asinine because the idea that wanting xyz is fascism, not globalism, simply because you're choosing to become more self reliant rather than to defer accountability and work is not necessarily fascism. Playing the fascism card is more a strawman argument to hinder economic development in favour of "mysterious agenda" more often than not. The reality is that cooperation and mutual support is essentially done as often as possible when it works in favour of the job provider or customer.
On the flip side the idea that wanting a good job, financial freedom and wanting your place of residence or country that you are a citizen of, to develop for the better may be the most benign expression of fascism that many can imagine. Now imagine trying to say that these people, group XYZ-ists are cunts who deserve to suffer or lose their jobs.
Try and justify that in your mind for a moment. Because if it sounds dumb to you it's probably because it is. If you start a business that creates jobs for people in your group, that's good, if your business can create an entire system of jobs across multiple countries then even better. Power almost always naturally goes to the group or person that consistently provides the most. Just like in some places, there is essentially no or very little police force due to very low crime rates.
And my book here (I am yet to write it but its gonna be a best seller, trust me) says he should go eat a bag of dicks
I don't make the rules sorry, start chomping mate
What the fuck is this dipshit on about?
LoL! My sentiment exactly.
Also, "I'm in danger."
I aint ordained shit.
Nutjob.
We are fuckin doomed over here
3rd2nd in line for the Presidency.Thanks @[email protected]
Second. people need to stop assuming the actual president is in line. He's already president.
Come on, you know nobody is assuming the president is "in line" for the presidency. They are just counting from the president at 1 and using the term in line. The speaker is the third person to be president after the president and vice president.
But that's still not what the phrase "1st in line" means. Despite everyone's misunderstanding.
Prince William is 1st in line for the Throne.
Yes people are using the phrase wrong, not assuming the president is "in line" too. It's pretty obvious what they mean.
I'm sure logically it makes sense in the heads of most people, but I see this repeated so often in the last 24 hours since assbag was picked for speaker I felt it could use clarification.
He did a fair amount of shady shit in the shadows and let other people be the face of it
I wonder how he's going to deal with actually being in the spotlight (other than drying his tears with money)
So the Republic of Gilead may actually happen? Are there enough checks and balances left to stop the US from becoming a Christian Saudi Arabia? Is it time to leave Canada before their destiny is manifested all over us?
Canada won't be safe but, on the bright side, neither will anywhere else.
Oh great, another christian in a position of power trying to enact a theocracy.
Because we didn't have enough of those already...
Countries that are dominated with one religion, inevitably break down by religious dissention. "One nation, under my God has no liberty, and justice, for all, * (unless they are members of my religious sect)".
Traitor
....no
Suppose it was worth the delay to get a truley shitty choice. What the hell, guys?
He is right. The scripture is clear. All the more reason to not follow it.
Can he be voted out by 1 person again?
Yes for now. That rule might change though
I mean, he has theoretical control (barely) over 1/2 of one branch of a fractious, dysfunctional and arguably corrupt federal government. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, buddy.
arguably?? lmao have a seat my friend have I got some stories for you
He's 2nd in line for POTUS. Scary.
You misspelled "absolutely". You spelled it a-r-g-u-a-b-l-y. You were almost there, but you only got the first and last two letters correct.
You think he'll be singing the same tune when his speakership inevitably crashes and burns?
So did things somehow just get even worse?
I guess if 1 and 2 get taken out things could get a lot worse 乁( •_• )ㄏ
They feel Romans 13:1 applies when these assholes get power; doesn't apply when they lose power
Aiite so he has full faith in Biden, good to know.
Wait, wasn't this the same shit absolutism used as an excuse for it's existence? God definitely chooses who rules countries or not,, but some are only good for us in the very long term...
FFS you're a grown-ass man!
This man is not having sex since 9 months prior his last child was born.. I bet he's angry!
There's nothing clear about this at all....
Well, clearly burning bush, Jewish zombie, eternal damnation, Therefore I'm God wants me to be in power. Because reasons. QED.
Oooohhhhwerefucked
If you notice someone (mostly politicians) randomly pop out of nowhere and start telling you shit you wanna hear, that lerson is lying pieace of shit trying to play you. This is a highly effective method btw.
Does this mean he ordained the Democrats too? Does that still apply when the Republicans are the minority?
God bless America, and no place else
And now, when the law is finally catching up to them, do we get to the part where a higher power, God, is on their side.
meh. can't really care what opinionated bro believes in -- as long as it doesn't interfere with his job.
I heard the banks have no cash and fort knox is empty.
yeah? and so he's a republican. what else ya got, none of this is surprising, and after the last 7 years, in any way any more frightening than it's been to this point. we vote democrat, and we tell our friends and family to vote democrat, and we hope we can hold the line, and push it back a bit. i mean, we lost roe. what american women are doing going to work, raising families, going home to prepare meals, and just you know going on with their lives when the fundamental right to ownership over their own reproductive systems was legislated away, is beyond beyond understanding.
There was it was in 2016 when people thought Hillary was crooked.
RBG's legacy.