Plot twist: All of the "bot accounts" were actually a huge influx of Reddit users who were lurking. By removing the accounts / defederating with their instances, we've sent them all back to Reddit, ensuring Reddit can pull through the mass exodus.
This is not a strictly commercial network.
Do we really need useless comments or posts just to increase some stats numbers?
I'd think about quality contents instead.
[Two men next to one another in an office cubicle. The man on the left is sitting at a desk looking anxiously at the man on the right, who is standing and gesturing with his hands as he explains something]
Lemmy only counts users who posted or commented as active users
You gotta post or comment!
^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
I mean, I've had a Reddit account for 13-14 years, maybe even longer, as I was a lurker who bookmarked different subreddits, prior to making an account. In those years, I have commented maybe 5 times in total. So you dont get to tell me what to do, and I certainly won't be commenting on this post.
About 15 years ago many of us left Digg and migrated to Reddit because at that time it became kind of what Reddit is right now without even all the API shit going on.
I have been hoping for something to replace Reddit for a few years now but it seems like every possible alternative would instantly become populated by the alt-right, people who got evinced from other platforms, instead of free software loving geeks and their relatives.
Reddit actually gave us the kick in the butt that we needed to start anew and make something better. I wanted to fight, I made the subs I managed private and then NSFW but I realize it is not worth spending the energy.
We are the people who made Reddit great but there is no point in trying to keep it this ways, it isn't even great anymore anyway. Let's not be slaves to a company that only cares about profit and acts as if we need them while the truth is that they need us.
Trying to make Reddit better, at this point, is like volunteering for Microsoft instead of contributing to open-source projects with the hope that they will become less oriented toward profits.
This is already a place we can call our own, all we have to do is to furnish it and make it a nice place to be for those who understand why it is worthwhile to do so. It is not the actual owners of Reddit that made it great, quite the contrary even, they keep on making it worst. It is us, the users who made it great and we can do the same here.
I am pretty sure Aaron Swartz himself would tell us to leave the site he created if he could communicate from his grave. There is no point in wasting energy for a company that wants to sell us NFTs, virtual gifts and rewards. I never bought any of this shit anyway but I am going to make Lemmy a donation right now!
I've never commented so much since I was on spez's den. On Reddit I was kind of intimidated most of the time because there would be already a lot of comments, and I feared I had nothing of substance to add.
Here there's less comments, but in this case I guess less is more. 😇
Hard to do when a major app, Jerboa, can't do logins with a large instance, lemmy.world. I went through the trouble of making an account on the web just for versioning to make it unusable in app.
In about 10 years on Reddit I made probably less than 5 comments and never posted. I think I already have more comments here in the past month, just a much better community and I actually feel like commenting more.
"active users" is such a vague metric... each platform has its own rules for that, so it's meaningless (not to mention the obvious inflation of commercial ones, so comparison is useless in practice)
transparent data such as "# active posters", "# active commenters", "# active voters", etc makes a lot more sense if we are not thinking commercially (which I'm guessing is the whole point of independent communities such as fediverse). no need to impress anyone and the metrics become readable
I used to be a lurker, but I find myself more encouraged to participate on Lemmy. This here is my THIRD comment in the last two days, which is a lot of engagement compared to my usual levels on Reddit.
Pointless user interaction isn't really required on lemmy/fediverse/activity pub. Because they don't have to sell them selves to advertisers. As long as there's productive conversation and hosting isn't a burden current instances will likely continue ticking along.
What's most likely to kill it would be admins being overwhelmed with moderation needs and a general user backlash against moderation actions.
That's killed so many websites I've ran/moderated for, giving too many chances to users who didn't deserve them.
But if I comment then I'll break my 9 year record of being a lurker on social media!
FUCK SPEZ
Plot twist: All of the "bot accounts" were actually a huge influx of Reddit users who were lurking. By removing the accounts / defederating with their instances, we've sent them all back to Reddit, ensuring Reddit can pull through the mass exodus.
Can’t we just upvote?
But it's scary
This is not a strictly commercial network. Do we really need useless comments or posts just to increase some stats numbers? I'd think about quality contents instead.
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[Two men next to one another in an office cubicle. The man on the left is sitting at a desk looking anxiously at the man on the right, who is standing and gesturing with his hands as he explains something]
Lemmy only counts users who posted or commented as active users
You gotta post or comment!
^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
How is upvoting/downvoting not considered being active? :/
Doing my part
But, I'm a lurker.
I mean, I've had a Reddit account for 13-14 years, maybe even longer, as I was a lurker who bookmarked different subreddits, prior to making an account. In those years, I have commented maybe 5 times in total. So you dont get to tell me what to do, and I certainly won't be commenting on this post.
About 15 years ago many of us left Digg and migrated to Reddit because at that time it became kind of what Reddit is right now without even all the API shit going on.
I have been hoping for something to replace Reddit for a few years now but it seems like every possible alternative would instantly become populated by the alt-right, people who got evinced from other platforms, instead of free software loving geeks and their relatives.
Reddit actually gave us the kick in the butt that we needed to start anew and make something better. I wanted to fight, I made the subs I managed private and then NSFW but I realize it is not worth spending the energy.
We are the people who made Reddit great but there is no point in trying to keep it this ways, it isn't even great anymore anyway. Let's not be slaves to a company that only cares about profit and acts as if we need them while the truth is that they need us.
Trying to make Reddit better, at this point, is like volunteering for Microsoft instead of contributing to open-source projects with the hope that they will become less oriented toward profits.
This is already a place we can call our own, all we have to do is to furnish it and make it a nice place to be for those who understand why it is worthwhile to do so. It is not the actual owners of Reddit that made it great, quite the contrary even, they keep on making it worst. It is us, the users who made it great and we can do the same here.
I am pretty sure Aaron Swartz himself would tell us to leave the site he created if he could communicate from his grave. There is no point in wasting energy for a company that wants to sell us NFTs, virtual gifts and rewards. I never bought any of this shit anyway but I am going to make Lemmy a donation right now!
Weird that votes don't count as activity. Oh well, here's me being active -- hope it helps.
Doing my part 🫡
Don't care.
Please drink water
I like trains.
I've already posted more here than my last 4 years on Reddit.
I've never commented so much since I was on spez's den. On Reddit I was kind of intimidated most of the time because there would be already a lot of comments, and I feared I had nothing of substance to add.
Here there's less comments, but in this case I guess less is more. 😇
Hard to do when a major app, Jerboa, can't do logins with a large instance, lemmy.world. I went through the trouble of making an account on the web just for versioning to make it unusable in app.
You're not my dad!
I guess I probably should start commenting. Just been lurking and trying to find my communities.
Why do you think you need to be counted?
count me daddy lemmy
It ain't much...
That sounds kinda self-sabotaging but ok. I shall comment!
I didn't know that, how often does a user have to comment/post to be "active"? Are we only active the days we do it?
Sorry I'll try harder!
I just feel like I don't have anything of value to add most of the time. I just enjoy lurking.
But what if I'm an introvert and like to lurk? Introverts unite! Separately! And in different places!
B - but my username
Sure, I guess I'm active, but I will go back to lurking
eh. nice try. I'll stay lurkin'.
Voting on posts doesn't count as engagement?
What about votes? Do they count as activity?
is upvote counted?
You can't make me. Wait... shit...
NO YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
...wait, shit, I COMMENTED BUT NOT BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME TO
In about 10 years on Reddit I made probably less than 5 comments and never posted. I think I already have more comments here in the past month, just a much better community and I actually feel like commenting more.
Y
OK, guess I'll comment then.
I don't like engaging with people... but I also feel the need to help Lemmy's numbers.... what to do.
Voting should count but fine I’ll comment
YOU GOTTA GIVE!
I like to just browse but whatever. Hi.
I am an active user :)
I am currently posting or commenting
So, now we're begging for low quality content (like this comment)?
I have been and will continue to. Especially once Baconreader goes dark. This is my new home, reddit account already deleted.
HOLD THAT DOOR!! HOLD THAT DOOR!! walks slowly to elevator
There. I commented. I have saved the internet
I’m a lurker here until I find my people. This is my first comment. Hello, Lemmy!
Also, WefWef is pretty amazing. I hope it goes full native iOS someday.
But I want to just lurk...😅
I love lamp.
"active users" is such a vague metric... each platform has its own rules for that, so it's meaningless (not to mention the obvious inflation of commercial ones, so comparison is useless in practice)
transparent data such as "# active posters", "# active commenters", "# active voters", etc makes a lot more sense if we are not thinking commercially (which I'm guessing is the whole point of independent communities such as fediverse). no need to impress anyone and the metrics become readable
Fine Mom, you've guilted me into commenting.
Oh shit I only get one opportunity to say something witty and I just wasted
I prefer to lurk
hello fellow active users
You can't tell me what to do! You're not my manager!
Ok fine
Maybe we're all scared because reddit was full of mean assholes who called us names
It's me, I'm scared :( and why I won't miss reddit
Nah I don't think I will.
I'm trying to but i can't for some reason
Fuck spez
How often? Does it effect my tax bracket? Can I bring a friend?
Doing my part.
Cereal goes before milk
If I comment from another instance, does it count towards my instance or the instance the post was from?
Posting
What's this from?
IM DOING MY PART!!
I'm a bit out of the loop, does just lurking mean you lose your account after a while or something?
am I doing this right? can everyone hear me?
You can't tell me what to do! Wait...
I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
Ok
I’m active I’m active, damn!
I'm helping!
The gentry has landed
This is the 21st comment since I started using Lemmy on this account
Well might as well comment
Plus one active user.
Always been a lurker but sounds like I gotta do my part!
Yeah here’s my part 🫡
I am not getting notifications for replies to my comments on android, I have tried jerboa, summit, liftoff, thunder, and connect for lemmy
Am I missing something here? Are push notifications not implemented yet?
Lotta people give
This is good to know!
Reporting for active duty 🎖️
Lemming reporting in!
I used to be a lurker, but I find myself more encouraged to participate on Lemmy. This here is my THIRD comment in the last two days, which is a lot of engagement compared to my usual levels on Reddit.
Tbh, that's kinda dumb, up/down votes should be considered activity too
What up, I'm Jared, I'm 19, and I never f***ing learned how to post
I will literaly never post anything, even comments
I'm doing my part
I'm doing my part!
Big if true
1 (doing my part)
You gotta give!
Active user reporting in
Hi
On lemmy I've felt I can be more genuine when commenting instead of being worried on what to say
I’m doing my part
I am doing my part..
I DIDNT DO FUCKIN SHIT!
I'm not worried about it, I'm not worried about any of it!
u can't tell me what to do
So you're saying to count as an active user I need to post or comment?
I'm doing my part!
Hi!
Commenting just to be part of the statistic...
I would like to but I don't know what to post :(
I am doing my part!
I'm an active user
Never.
How often do I need to comment?
thas stupid
We are the road crew!
Guess I can't be a lurker anymore then
comment.
I am doing my part!
Don't tell me how to live my life
Reddit is a Dumpster fire 🔥
Alright, fine! I'll stop lurking...
I post, therefore I am.
Look up at my face
YOU GOTTA POST
Damn please replace reddit
I’m an active user 🫡
No.
Shit, no lurking?
oh fuck
Am I doing this right?
Aw, man. I can't just lurk?
I don't wanna comment >:(
lurking only for this gal
Does that make me active?
Is this a karma grab post on a site without karma?
Well then, let's add me to the count!
Doing my part!
I swear, Tim Robinson's show is made for memes
ok, ok, just don't send me the loud videos that can't be turned down or off.
Comment
Does it count if I'm a bot?
My little bit
Are you a cop? You gotta tell me if you're a cop. Right?
Post
But how will I maintain my lurker status?
I will be better. I promise!
Hi it's me, Active
Hello world
I'm doing my part, you're doing your part, everyone's doing their part!
.
I’m doing my part 🫡
Does it matter where in the fediverse I post?
wait, words? should I use them?
Noted
O7
I don't even know how to make an account properly. This is a test comment
What
Because federation is broken between many servers, I have to use multiple accounts to see all the communities.
I’m doing my part!
I'm here 🫡
Active User here!
Lurker reporting in 👋
Lemmy what now? so this 5.8mil daily active users are only the people who post or comment? woah
You can't tell me what to do!
@danc4498 does it count if I’m posting from a #Mastodon acc?
Weird, how's that?
But what’s the point if they are not adding anything besides active user number go up?
I’m here :)
Hey look at me mr active user over here!
If Bruce Springsteen had recorded "Born to Lurk", I would be on the cover.
Here's my one comment for the day.
But I wanted to continue my years of lurking…
All right, here i am, part of the statistics.
I'm doing my part!
Pointless user interaction isn't really required on lemmy/fediverse/activity pub. Because they don't have to sell them selves to advertisers. As long as there's productive conversation and hosting isn't a burden current instances will likely continue ticking along.
What's most likely to kill it would be admins being overwhelmed with moderation needs and a general user backlash against moderation actions.
That's killed so many websites I've ran/moderated for, giving too many chances to users who didn't deserve them.
Count me in!
TIL.
Upvote
Ok. (I use Arch btw)
Commenting
Present
I don't know what to saaaaaayyyyyy...
🫡 Doing my part, soldier.
You guys have active users?
Count me active like one of your French girls.
Got it.
Here for the party
Lurkers wanna lurk!
Mic test. 1, 2, 3.
Hello there
Doing my part
ok
Something
Well I used to be a total piece of shit. But I'm not anymore.
we are the champions???
I’m doing my part!
hello world!
Lurker checking in
Oh my piano
No, I won't, you can't make me
.
I'm alive and lurking (mostly).
Thia is a comment of an active user!
we out here
Votes don’t count?
You aren't considered an active user unless you post or comment at least once during the period measured (day, week, month, year)
Being active, activate.
active lurker
You can't tell me what to do!!
I'm helping I'm helping!
Oh nyo
No one should have to suffer through reading my opinions, but here I am for the DAU count
Count this!
Lurker reporting in for duty
Hi
What if we post a comment?
let’s go
You’ve GOT to give
I'm doing my part
Commenting something notable for posterity
Count me in!
I had no idea it was counted that way. Guess I oughta do my part lmao
comment
Bwoah is the same for everybody
Everything changed when the fire nation attacked
don’t tell me what to do!
Is this bait?
Comment
The site's entirely user funded, if people use it and don't give, it'll go under.
Guess I'm active now
Damn, alright.
I guess I’d like to exist.
I am commenting!
i have yet to make a post though...
Just doing my part 🐛
I didnt know this!
Okay if you insist there you go
Spuck fez?
You hit me in the cup
Well I'm trying to be active I swear
Lol not trying to be snarky here but is that true or is it a way to get people here to comment and boost posts?
Fine I posted, and this is a comment. Happy?
It's got nothing to do with piss!
How often should we comment/post?
Posting, commenting, "active" 👍
okay
Time to stop lurking
Yo!
Nice try, OP. I will never comment. Never!
you gotta give
The more you know. Learning through memes is the best.
Ok, fine. I'll comment.
/* Here you go */
I post, i count.
Definitely active now
Ok you got me on that one! ^Hi^
I'm doing my part!
Hi I’m active.
I'm doing my part!
Absolutely not! You're not the boss of me! 😂
+1 active user
acitivity
Reporting in as instructed
Alright alright cool it down okay?
Welp, here's my part
It does say "active" users right there in the title.
Sigh
Hi
This is a comment
Who would make it go dark?
HOLD THAT POST, HOLD THAT POST!!!
Here's ya sign buddy
If
Ok!
My comment is here now, thanks.
well lets post and comment!
Howdy fellas, 0 com 0posts, 7months acc. Sorry.
Yeah good so this is going to be my first comment on this platform.
Hi
hello world
Comment
I'm alive!
We’re all here…
good!
Hi
Hello :)
Got it.
E
Do I have to?
activeUsers++;
Doing my part
Comment
Alright fine.