MacOS is definitely Unix. Same syscalls, same command line, same permissions and virtual filesystem concepts. Pipes, text files, all that jazz. It uses zsh for scripting, PAM for authentication, CUPS for printing, OpenSSH for remote access, Unix sockets and virtual interfaces for networking.
Hell, a good chunk of macOS is straight up FreeBSD.
When it was the latest standard there were probably significantly more on 98 then we see today on 03 (or even fewer on later ones). Commercial Unix isn’t as big a draw as it was back then. They have to certify/pay every so often so stuff falls off.
Perfect examples of why OSX is an Unix-like just like GNU/Linux. It's got a shared history with the original Unix, but isn't literally Unix. This community is around Unix-likes, and under the Unix-like banner, I'd gladly welcome ReactOS. WSL isn't in the spirit of it though.
OSX has been on a number of occasions actively hostile towards FLOSS as well (particularly anything GPL), which in the last decades, have become synonymous with Unix-likes, though that's a matter of personal taste. What isn't a matter of taste however, is that OSX uses the XNU kernel, which is an acronym for X is Not Unix. It is not a monolithic Unix style kernel either. I would argue that OSX is only loosely Unix-like, and only mimics Unix functions for compatibility. Should Apple have the inclination, they would happily abandon it for something invented by them given the opportunity.
Not picking a fight with you over semantics, I just loathe Apple as a business and Microsoft gets a lot of flack for their old "Embrace Extend Extinguish" policies when Apple has been exceptionally hostile towards OSS. Apple so often gets a pass when being considered a part of Unix communities yet they absolutely do not embrace the spirit of Unix-likes and FLOSS at all.
It's a nit to be sure. Microsoft's insistence on PowerShell nowhere and never is beyond mystifying. Apple at least wraps it's XNU in "standard" libs + shells. WSL is a pile of flaming trash, a footnote to an afterthought.
With MacOS, Terminal is x-term'ish, shell is zsh, and ls is ls OOTB. It's easy to see why people get confused.
With Windows, there is no terminal, Powershell is an alien quagmire, and ls is Get-ChildItem. It's easy to see why people get confused :)
maybe, but if you want to stick with windows, there are some tools that allow to create cool widgets, modify the taskbar, etc. Some examples are: winaero tweaker and rainmeter (those tools can affect windows stability and performance, and in the case of the most extreme ones, it can directly destroy your installation)
I use some alternative app for my taskbar clock, and I've occasionally used Wallpaper Engine wallpapers that had clocks, but at the end of the day, I still look at my watch. 😂
I remember a while ago Tails developers were asking for help making the user interface mimic windows, to help people hide better the use of Tails in public spaces like libraries or cafes.
I don't think it's strictly compliant, although they claim to have based it's syntax on Korn shell, which is the strictest definition of POSIX shells.
You can do pretty much everything in powershell that you can do in something like bash BUT, it will be done slightly differently, so trying to make a script cross compatible is pointless (you might as well just write it natively in powershell etc).
Powershell isn't inherently bad, unlike bash for instance which just allows piping out text output, Powershell can pass around true .net objects.
But if what you're looking for is cross OS compatability, you're pushing shit uphill.
99.9% of the time, I open powershell and just ssh into a "real" linux box.
I am not a greybeard expert with deep bash history, but I though the posix compliant aspect of PowerShell was a very recent, though apparently not perfect, achievement even if "technically" NT was POSIX compliant by some specific definition in 1993.
Looks like the built-in window organizing thing Win11 comes with. When you drag a window to the top edge a little menu pops open for tiling your open windows.
Doesn't work with every window though, but browsers and spotify can be arranged that way.
There is GlazeWM (simlar to i3 - the only one that works properly on my win11 spyware), I use it daily for work (company laptop).
These are also:
Komorebi (too buggy for me)
Workspacer (like dwm) - used to crash alot before
bug.n (dwm fork with the bar and same congih in ahk) - dead nowdays
Sounds about right.
thats the damn truth....
Tell it to my wife who reboots her laptop once a month when forced to. Drives me nuts.
This incident will be reported
No Christmas presents for op this year.
"He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he's copied on /var/spool/mail/root, so be good for goodness' sake."
Its merely off topic, Windows isn't Unix. OSX is, though only loosely.
MacOS is definitely Unix. Same syscalls, same command line, same permissions and virtual filesystem concepts. Pipes, text files, all that jazz. It uses zsh for scripting, PAM for authentication, CUPS for printing, OpenSSH for remote access, Unix sockets and virtual interfaces for networking.
Hell, a good chunk of macOS is straight up FreeBSD.
Unlike most, macOS is also registered and can use the UNIX name.
Lol did no one register for unix 98?
When it was the latest standard there were probably significantly more on 98 then we see today on 03 (or even fewer on later ones). Commercial Unix isn’t as big a draw as it was back then. They have to certify/pay every so often so stuff falls off.
Cool that makes waaay more sense
Perfect examples of why OSX is an Unix-like just like GNU/Linux. It's got a shared history with the original Unix, but isn't literally Unix. This community is around Unix-likes, and under the Unix-like banner, I'd gladly welcome ReactOS. WSL isn't in the spirit of it though.
OSX has been on a number of occasions actively hostile towards FLOSS as well (particularly anything GPL), which in the last decades, have become synonymous with Unix-likes, though that's a matter of personal taste. What isn't a matter of taste however, is that OSX uses the XNU kernel, which is an acronym for X is Not Unix. It is not a monolithic Unix style kernel either. I would argue that OSX is only loosely Unix-like, and only mimics Unix functions for compatibility. Should Apple have the inclination, they would happily abandon it for something invented by them given the opportunity.
Not picking a fight with you over semantics, I just loathe Apple as a business and Microsoft gets a lot of flack for their old "Embrace Extend Extinguish" policies when Apple has been exceptionally hostile towards OSS. Apple so often gets a pass when being considered a part of Unix communities yet they absolutely do not embrace the spirit of Unix-likes and FLOSS at all.
Hostile towards OSS makes them more like commercial UNIX imo.
It's a nit to be sure. Microsoft's insistence on PowerShell nowhere and never is beyond mystifying. Apple at least wraps it's XNU in "standard" libs + shells. WSL is a pile of flaming trash, a footnote to an afterthought.
With MacOS, Terminal is x-term'ish, shell is
zsh, andlsislsOOTB. It's easy to see why people get confused.With Windows, there is no terminal, Powershell is an alien quagmire, and
lsisGet-ChildItem. It's easy to see why people get confused :)Uh no, it's an acronym.
M: Mac's
A: Not
C: Unix
Most
Applications
Crash
If
Not
The
Operating
System
Hangs
I unironically love this, and I have now added it to my talking points about operating systems.
There are a couple Linux distros that have gone through the certification process with the Open Group and are "true" UNIXes.
None currently. EulerOS is by Huawei which is probably part of why it expired.
Wsl gets close :P but of course that's not what we're looking at here
Linux isn't unix either, at best unix-like :/.Spirit wise its probably offtopic though.
Average spyware enjoyer
We have your IP address, your GeoLocation, cameras are monitoring you now.
You will be dealt with!
Oh, so you're from Microsoft?
No we're from Meta and you didn't disable telemetry
Fuck!
No, I'm from Frank's Pizza, stop using our free wireless so much. Fuck!!
Where is the Unix in this porn?
This is like posting a piece of steak in the vegan community and going "tHiS iS gOiNg tO gEt mE bAnNeD bUt i'M eDgY sO i'LL dO iT aNyWaY"
Yes, cringe
@KillAllPoorPeople @ReakDuck But why to kill all poor people.
i dont think that you will be banned, although i think you could tune up your desktop a bit more
Like by installing Arch?
maybe, but if you want to stick with windows, there are some tools that allow to create cool widgets, modify the taskbar, etc. Some examples are: winaero tweaker and rainmeter (those tools can affect windows stability and performance, and in the case of the most extreme ones, it can directly destroy your installation)
Perfect, that last sentence is what I'm looking for! Lol in all seriousness, thanks I'll look into those.
I haven't used RM in about 15 years, is it still a massive resource hog?
I have a clock on my desktop sometimes, its pretty minimal for what I do with it
I use some alternative app for my taskbar clock, and I've occasionally used Wallpaper Engine wallpapers that had clocks, but at the end of the day, I still look at my watch. 😂
idk, i barely touch windows and i have never tried one of those tools
This is unixporn not dosporn !
Tresporn wen
Didn't know you could run KDE on wind*ws :o
Lol :P you actually can, but don't expect a lot.
I remember you could but also remember its not possible anymore with newer versions
I'm on board with a reactos KDE port 😹
Wait windows has neofetch?!?!?
The really important sosftware gets ported to all the platforms
Is there an iOS port? If there is.. I'm going to post screenshots from my wife's iPhone. iOS is more UNIX than windows!
brew install neofetch
What does it take to put a terminal emulator on iOS?
Last I knew you had to jailbreak. Probably still the case unless Apple has decided to allow them on the app store...but I doubt it
Oh, you mean the phone! Sorry I was thinking about MacOS.
So you can flex that you have better driver support?
neofetch in windows is quite slow compared to linux I recommend using fastfetch if you notice a slowdown
I remember a while ago Tails developers were asking for help making the user interface mimic windows, to help people hide better the use of Tails in public spaces like libraries or cafes.
Kali Linux introduced a script to reskin the DE to look as closely as possible like Windows a few years ago.
When I need to blend in I use this https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
This tied my stomach in a knot, ive never felt that before, im gonna go throw up.
What's the deal with GPU:Caption and the extra white GPU?
The white GPU is just the extra text from the line above.
Isn't Powershell a POSIX compliant shell now? I know that isn't "gnu/linux" but it certainly allows a lot of familiarity between the environments.
I don't think it's strictly compliant, although they claim to have based it's syntax on Korn shell, which is the strictest definition of POSIX shells.
You can do pretty much everything in powershell that you can do in something like bash BUT, it will be done slightly differently, so trying to make a script cross compatible is pointless (you might as well just write it natively in powershell etc).
Powershell isn't inherently bad, unlike bash for instance which just allows piping out text output, Powershell can pass around true .net objects.
But if what you're looking for is cross OS compatability, you're pushing shit uphill.
99.9% of the time, I open powershell and just ssh into a "real" linux box.
Lol except they aliased wget and curl but dont parse the standard options 😡
That's borderline criminal. Nothing more to add
powershell is inherently bad btw
Nuh uh btw
Do your complaint is that the default security policy, that is easily changed with one command, is conservatively set?
How can it be? It's oo. Not saying you're wrong. Honestly curious
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem
Since 1993.
Thanks, this explains:
So the interactive part, the shell itself, is not compliant. That is why I was confused
I am not a greybeard expert with deep bash history, but I though the posix compliant aspect of PowerShell was a very recent, though apparently not perfect, achievement even if "technically" NT was POSIX compliant by some specific definition in 1993.
As far as I understand, these are posix requirements https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18
Powershell is not compliant with that document even now in the interactive part. Wsl2 is, as one can istall a standard Linux shell
bruh
That was Windows NT and was done for C builds so that Microsoft could compete for US government contracts
I will be surprised if someone can make a tiling WM in Windows
DWM has a windows port.
Hasn't it already been done? https://github.com/LGUG2Z/komorebi
Looks like the built-in window organizing thing Win11 comes with. When you drag a window to the top edge a little menu pops open for tiling your open windows.
Doesn't work with every window though, but browsers and spotify can be arranged that way.
Tiling capabilities don't make a window manager a tiling Window manager. They would have to tile by default and when ever another app gets opened.
He literally just answered the question, why respond like you're correcting him?
I just misread the comment.
Because its not the same.
He never said it was.
How strict are we on what constitutes a tiling wm? I've swapped the shell on win XP .. not sure how 11 would fare
Screenshot?
Ah I wish, that was ages ago
There is GlazeWM (simlar to i3 - the only one that works properly on my win11 spyware), I use it daily for work (company laptop).
These are also: Komorebi (too buggy for me) Workspacer (like dwm) - used to crash alot before bug.n (dwm fork with the bar and same congih in ahk) - dead nowdays
I’ve used GlazeWM a bit before switching fully https://github.com/glazerdesktop/GlazeWM
That counts imho.
Replace file manager with dolphin
Is it any good on windows? I hate what a steaming confusing pile of shit file manager is
Windows is so integrated with the stock one that it can’t be removed and you can’t get things to open dolphin instead
But, dolphin is faster (in my experience) and the biggest sell for me is that it doesn’t randomly pop in front of things
I would say it’s not actually worth it due to the first part but it is better, maybe someone smarter than me could get hacky
All jokes (and my seething hatred of MS) aside - it's off topic here, does not belong in this community.
Fortune favors the bold.
Is that a new Redmond theme?
If only an open source thing had some consistent margins. It could look so much better.
There is actually a MS Edge version for Linux. I wonder if anyone makes a joke distro that breaks the file manager and terminal when you uninstall it.
Windows (Linux Edition)
-You can now remove system32
See you in hell.
Oh I'm definitely going that's for sure
Upvoted for your courage!
cool kde plasma rice!
@Gingernate
https://meme-generator.com/wp-content/uploads/mememe/2020/03/mememe_3d49ca3041787f3b24ee6d6b38db973b-1.jpg
Hahahaahha i feel dirty
Oh, that's nice!
I just found out you can install KDE dolphin on windows!
Have you tried it? I'll probably give it a shot soon when I get a free minute
Yep, it's even faster than Windows 10/11 explorer that sometimes hangs for no apparent reason.
Windows explorer is also super.alow.for me. Takes forever to load
Nice KDE rice